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Well, I was disappointed when I came into this thread, I followed Ree before she was famous. Read her blog, get to know who she is. She lives on a farm, they are pretty active. I don't know, this was a disappointing thread.6
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I guess I am sort of alone in finding her show somewhat boring. She never seems to fix anything that I don't already know, could not figure out on my own, or have no interest in preparing.
Should I confess that although I have read this entire thread, I have no idea who she is, her blog, or her show?
Me too! On the other hand, I don't watch cooking shows because I also find them boring. Maybe because I am not interested in what they do (aka cooking).
Interesting. I don't watch them because I find them boring. In my case, it's partly because I am interested in cooking . . . so why waste time watching other people do it? (Such a slow way to learn anything new!)
<curmudgeon>
Modern life is weird to me: So much less of people doing things; so much more of people watching other people doing things. (Not much NEAT in that.
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But high-calorie foods caused the obesity crisis, even though the high-calorie foods always existed? The fact that cable TV deregulation happened in 1972, with channels/availability burgeoning after that; commercial internet got rolling in the 1980s; and electronic gaming was coming to vast popularity over that same time: Pure coincidence.
So, now we have this Pioneer Woman person, we're reading her blog on the internet, we're watching her TV show where she cooks rich foods . . . and what makes sense to some people is to criticize her for cooking rich foods, and possibly for over-feeding her (quite healthy-looking) children?
WTFlippieDip?!?!
Modern life is weird. Get off my lawn.
</curmudgeon>
Julia Child's the French Chef debuted in 1963. James Beard (as in, the James Beard) hosted a cooking show in the 1940s. Both of those hosts a. were born before you were alive and b. died over a decade ago. James Beard's show was even live! I don't know that you can claim that with any of the popular food shows of the past 15-20 years. They also were both on public television.
I don't think claiming the existence of the genre is a consequence of modern life (where modern life is related to you being curmudgeonly) is especially accurate. This isn't about getting off your lawn because it is older than your lawn.
Never mind that cooking rich foods well predates television and eating rich foods isn't "unhealthy"...
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This of course doesn't even touch the fact that watching people cook isn't somehow divorced from cooking. I know that I personally don't have the money, hunger, and fridge/pantry space to cook everything that I watch on say, the Great British Baking Show, die Küchenschlacht (a German cooking show), or schmeckt perfekt (an Austrian cooking show). That doesn't, however, mean that I haven't cooked things on those shows before watching them (say a dobos torte that they had to cook as one of the challenges on British Baking - I make that once or twice a year and have for the past 10 or so years), don't get inspiration from those shows to make something related, or don't go find the same or a similar recipe.
I guess I didn't make my point particularly clear, as I think you've misunderstood it.
Yes, there were cooking shows in my childhood, and people watched them. But now there are whole channels of them, and fewer people (% of population) actually cooking from scratch, something that pretty darned close to every family used to do for nearly every meal.
What's striking to me (one among many things) is the extent to which adults, for entertainment, now watch other people doing things that, in my youth, they did themselves, or at least they're watching something relatively more than doing something, comparatively. "Watching" (or close variants like internetting or gaming) are common hobbies. I've literally asked people what their hobbies are, and been told "watching TV shows". The first time I heard it, I thought that was from Mars, which is pretty much how it would've been received if someone had said it in 1965 or thereabouts.
It's fairly common for people I know to cook very little (prepared foods, fast foods, etc.) but watch cooking shows a good lot. There were dances for adults in my youth, quite common (even out in my rural area, square dancing on Saturday night and that sort of thing); now more people watch "So You Think You Can Dance" and its kin. Young adults may dance some at clubs, but that's about it, as a common thing for people to do. Adults used to play more sports, now they watch many channels of them. There were bowling alleys and roller skating rinks, among other things, quite common: Now rare, compared to the 1960s. Quite a few people played some actual musical instrument (not necessarily well), rather than just listening to others play them professionally. Sewing, knitting, needlework, gardening, carpentry: More common then. Doing stuff.
That's what's weird: So much more watching, so much less doing.
That lawn.
No, that makes perfect sense. I'd read something somewhere -- New York Times, maybe? Wa Po? -- about how the Food Network had changed from shows where you learned how to cook, and new things to try to cook, to shows where you watched people *eat*. And it's so very, very true.
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My memories of 1965 include a lot of drugs and passive wall-staring among my circle of friends and acquaintances...6
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spinnerdell wrote: »My memories of 1965 include a lot of drugs and passive wall-staring among my circle of friends and acquaintances...
Pioneer woman on a different frontier. 6 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I guess I am sort of alone in finding her show somewhat boring. She never seems to fix anything that I don't already know, could not figure out on my own, or have no interest in preparing.
Should I confess that although I have read this entire thread, I have no idea who she is, her blog, or her show?
Me too! On the other hand, I don't watch cooking shows because I also find them boring. Maybe because I am not interested in what they do (aka cooking).
Interesting. I don't watch them because I find them boring. In my case, it's partly because I am interested in cooking . . . so why waste time watching other people do it? (Such a slow way to learn anything new!)
<curmudgeon>
Modern life is weird to me: So much less of people doing things; so much more of people watching other people doing things. (Not much NEAT in that. )
But high-calorie foods caused the obesity crisis, even though the high-calorie foods always existed? The fact that cable TV deregulation happened in 1972, with channels/availability burgeoning after that; commercial internet got rolling in the 1980s; and electronic gaming was coming to vast popularity over that same time: Pure coincidence.
So, now we have this Pioneer Woman person, we're reading her blog on the internet, we're watching her TV show where she cooks rich foods . . . and what makes sense to some people is to criticize her for cooking rich foods, and possibly for over-feeding her (quite healthy-looking) children?
WTFlippieDip?!?!
Modern life is weird. Get off my lawn.
</curmudgeon>
Julia Child's the French Chef debuted in 1963. James Beard (as in, the James Beard) hosted a cooking show in the 1940s. Both of those hosts a. were born before you were alive and b. died over a decade ago. James Beard's show was even live! I don't know that you can claim that with any of the popular food shows of the past 15-20 years. They also were both on public television.
I don't think claiming the existence of the genre is a consequence of modern life (where modern life is related to you being curmudgeonly) is especially accurate. This isn't about getting off your lawn because it is older than your lawn.
Never mind that cooking rich foods well predates television and eating rich foods isn't "unhealthy"...
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This of course doesn't even touch the fact that watching people cook isn't somehow divorced from cooking. I know that I personally don't have the money, hunger, and fridge/pantry space to cook everything that I watch on say, the Great British Baking Show, die Küchenschlacht (a German cooking show), or schmeckt perfekt (an Austrian cooking show). That doesn't, however, mean that I haven't cooked things on those shows before watching them (say a dobos torte that they had to cook as one of the challenges on British Baking - I make that once or twice a year and have for the past 10 or so years), don't get inspiration from those shows to make something related, or don't go find the same or a similar recipe.
I guess I didn't make my point particularly clear, as I think you've misunderstood it.
Yes, there were cooking shows in my childhood, and people watched them. But now there are whole channels of them, and fewer people (% of population) actually cooking from scratch, something that pretty darned close to every family used to do for nearly every meal.
What's striking to me (one among many things) is the extent to which adults, for entertainment, now watch other people doing things that, in my youth, they did themselves, or at least they're watching something relatively more than doing something, comparatively. "Watching" (or close variants like internetting or gaming) are common hobbies. I've literally asked people what their hobbies are, and been told "watching TV shows". The first time I heard it, I thought that was from Mars, which is pretty much how it would've been received if someone had said it in 1965 or thereabouts.
It's fairly common for people I know to cook very little (prepared foods, fast foods, etc.) but watch cooking shows a good lot. There were dances for adults in my youth, quite common (even out in my rural area, square dancing on Saturday night and that sort of thing); now more people watch "So You Think You Can Dance" and its kin. Young adults may dance some at clubs, but that's about it, as a common thing for people to do. Adults used to play more sports, now they watch many channels of them. There were bowling alleys and roller skating rinks, among other things, quite common: Now rare, compared to the 1960s. Quite a few people played some actual musical instrument (not necessarily well), rather than just listening to others play them professionally. Sewing, knitting, needlework, gardening, carpentry: More common then. Doing stuff.
That's what's weird: So much more watching, so much less doing.
That lawn.
Yeah it wasn't especially transparent to me at least that that was your point. I think the question is why aren't people in the US cooking as much as they used to, dancing as much as they used to, doing various hobbies, etc. I don't think it's fair to say that the internet and/or TV is the source of this. The internet, and digital technology more broadly, is actually causing an uptick in written output (much to the disbelief of many - some of those people are the same people who think that language shouldn't change) and as someone who does fiber arts (knitting, spinning, quilting, and weaving - less so with the weaving) there are very robust communities for various fiber arts online. Never mind that I suspect independent yarn dyers weren't nearly as common 40 years ago as they are now. With regards to knitting, spinning, crocheting, and weaving, Ravelry is testament to the fact that the internet and technology more broadly aren't some sort of death knell to fiber arts. Yes there are potentially fewer yarn stores in my city than there were in the 60s, but doesn't actually mean that there is less yarn being sold given how much yarn is sold online - and I'm definitely not just talking about Etsy.
From what I understand with regards to, at the very least, classical music in the US - the panic about "there aren't enough young people in our audiences" isn't new. I say this as someone who is a classical musician (I have a very diverse set of interests). That doesn't mean funding isn't an issue for many organizations, because it is, but that issue is far more complex in the US than "technology these days..." - especially when we compare how major arts organizations are funded in the countries with comparable GDPs to the US. I also am curious as to where you're getting your data related to a downtick in people playing music (any type of music). A quick Google search gave me this article that cites a Gallup poll from I'm assuming the early 2000s. It was found that the number of musical instruments purchased by homeowners in the US was at the highest it had been since 1978. That's despite the decrease in the funding of music in US public schools.
A different, more robust, study by the National Endowment for the Arts found that adults practicing/performing various types of music (specifically classical, jazz, Latin American, and musicals) down between 2002-2012, but in some instances there were also large upticks before it settling to within less than one percentage of the 2002 figure with a few exceptions (that study is here). On the other hand, the number of adults that had taken art/music classes/lessons within a 12 month period in the three sample years between 2002 and 2012 went up.
And coming full circle, there's the question of why aren't people cooking from scratch as much now as they were 40 plus years ago. To attribute that to the internet ignores a lot of pretty major societal changes (for good and bad).8 -
I watch the cooking shows on PBS, and have for years. I love them. They are instructional, always have been. I can remember being home sick from school in the early 60’s watching Julia Child, not soap operas or game shows. My love for cooking was partly piqued from watching her. I rarely make anything I see the tv chefs prepare, but I love watching them. We have never had cable tv, so the food network wasn’t available for me to watch. I’ve seen the Pioneer Woman’s kitchen products and cookbooks at the stores, but have not seen her show. Preparing calorie laden foods is common, but they aren’t advocating over eating. Personal responsibility should always prevail.
I watched American Idol, once for about 2 minutes, to find out what the hype was all about. Publically shaming people is not my thing, or idea of entertainment. It’s a very popular genre, that the masses must like. It dominates the airwaves, from talent to, weight loss, to cooking. Not all shame people, but it seems prevalent. Not for me.
Criticizing someone for what they feed their child because he has a round face, isn’t fair, or even justified.5 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I guess I am sort of alone in finding her show somewhat boring. She never seems to fix anything that I don't already know, could not figure out on my own, or have no interest in preparing.
Should I confess that although I have read this entire thread, I have no idea who she is, her blog, or her show?
Never seen it either, but in my defense I'm Canadian
Only food show I watch is Nailed It on Netflix (and it is frikken hilarious). Otherwise, just not really into them.
Want to endorse Nailed It on Netflix as well, extremely funny!! Although you won’t learn much about cooking 😊3 -
I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.8
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TheFitHooker wrote: »Well, I was disappointed when I came into this thread, I followed Ree before she was famous. Read her blog, get to know who she is. She lives on a farm, they are pretty active. I don't know, this was a disappointing thread.
Out of curiosity, what, specifically, was disappointing about it, and how do you envision your post raising the awesomeness level?
For example, since you have followed her for so many years, we would be interested to hear how you have been influenced by her.
Personally, I think it’s one of the more engaging threads going right now (great job OP!) but alas, it probably has a hard time standing up to the excitement of, say, the chit chat threads.15 -
French_Peasant wrote: »TheFitHooker wrote: »Well, I was disappointed when I came into this thread, I followed Ree before she was famous. Read her blog, get to know who she is. She lives on a farm, they are pretty active. I don't know, this was a disappointing thread.
Out of curiosity, what, specifically, was disappointing about it, and how do you envision your post raising the awesomeness level?
For example, since you have followed her for so many years, we would be interested to hear how you have been influenced by her.
Personally, I think it’s one of the more engaging threads going right now (great job OP!) but alas, it probably has a hard time standing up to the excitement of, say, the chit chat threads.
:laugh: I'm dying!!!1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »I guess I am sort of alone in finding her show somewhat boring. She never seems to fix anything that I don't already know, could not figure out on my own, or have no interest in preparing.
Should I confess that although I have read this entire thread, I have no idea who she is, her blog, or her show?
Me too! On the other hand, I don't watch cooking shows because I also find them boring. Maybe because I am not interested in what they do (aka cooking).
Interesting. I don't watch them because I find them boring. In my case, it's partly because I am interested in cooking . . . so why waste time watching other people do it? (Such a slow way to learn anything new!)
<curmudgeon>
Modern life is weird to me: So much less of people doing things; so much more of people watching other people doing things. (Not much NEAT in that. )
But high-calorie foods caused the obesity crisis, even though the high-calorie foods always existed? The fact that cable TV deregulation happened in 1972, with channels/availability burgeoning after that; commercial internet got rolling in the 1980s; and electronic gaming was coming to vast popularity over that same time: Pure coincidence.
So, now we have this Pioneer Woman person, we're reading her blog on the internet, we're watching her TV show where she cooks rich foods . . . and what makes sense to some people is to criticize her for cooking rich foods, and possibly for over-feeding her (quite healthy-looking) children?
WTFlippieDip?!?!
Modern life is weird. Get off my lawn.
</curmudgeon>
And here’s me, lying in bed on a Saturday morning, READING about watching cooking. LOL! Now I feel like I need to do some pushups.
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »TheFitHooker wrote: »Well, I was disappointed when I came into this thread, I followed Ree before she was famous. Read her blog, get to know who she is. She lives on a farm, they are pretty active. I don't know, this was a disappointing thread.
Out of curiosity, what, specifically, was disappointing about it, and how do you envision your post raising the awesomeness level?
For example, since you have followed her for so many years, we would be interested to hear how you have been influenced by her.
Personally, I think it’s one of the more engaging threads going right now (great job OP!) but alas, it probably has a hard time standing up to the excitement of, say, the chit chat threads.
:laugh: I'm dying!!!
I made the mistake of posting on ONE chit chat thread over a year ago, when it first started, and have been paying for that grave mistake many times every day since. The horror...the horror...6 -
cmriverside wrote: »I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.
Who the HE double hockey sticks thinks this is a woo-worthy post?
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You
I gave you a couple hugs to cancel the woos. Don’t know if this helps.cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.
Who the HE double hockey sticks thinks this is a woo-worthy post?
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French_Peasant wrote: »TheFitHooker wrote: »Well, I was disappointed when I came into this thread, I followed Ree before she was famous. Read her blog, get to know who she is. She lives on a farm, they are pretty active. I don't know, this was a disappointing thread.
Out of curiosity, what, specifically, was disappointing about it, and how do you envision your post raising the awesomeness level?
For example, since you have followed her for so many years, we would be interested to hear how you have been influenced by her.
Personally, I think it’s one of the more engaging threads going right now (great job OP!) but alas, it probably has a hard time standing up to the excitement of, say, the chit chat threads.
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cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.
Who the HE double hockey sticks thinks this is a woo-worthy post?
Maybe a couple of folks got really excited by it and woo-hoo'd? Maybe they couldn't decide between liking and hugging and so ended up in-between?
So many woos mystify me.7 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.
Who the HE double hockey sticks thinks this is a woo-worthy post?
Maybe a couple of folks got really excited by it and woo-hoo'd? Maybe they couldn't decide between liking and hugging and so ended up in-between?
So many woos mystify me.
Loads and loads of woos.......ah well there's none so queer as folk as they say in the north of England7 -
suziecue25 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.
Who the HE double hockey sticks thinks this is a woo-worthy post?
Maybe a couple of folks got really excited by it and woo-hoo'd? Maybe they couldn't decide between liking and hugging and so ended up in-between?
So many woos mystify me.
Loads and loads of woos.......ah well there's none so queer as folk as they say in the north of England
I rest my case lol3 -
French_Peasant wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »I guess I am sort of alone in finding her show somewhat boring. She never seems to fix anything that I don't already know, could not figure out on my own, or have no interest in preparing.
Should I confess that although I have read this entire thread, I have no idea who she is, her blog, or her show?
Me too! On the other hand, I don't watch cooking shows because I also find them boring. Maybe because I am not interested in what they do (aka cooking).
Interesting. I don't watch them because I find them boring. In my case, it's partly because I am interested in cooking . . . so why waste time watching other people do it? (Such a slow way to learn anything new!)
<curmudgeon>
Modern life is weird to me: So much less of people doing things; so much more of people watching other people doing things. (Not much NEAT in that. )
But high-calorie foods caused the obesity crisis, even though the high-calorie foods always existed? The fact that cable TV deregulation happened in 1972, with channels/availability burgeoning after that; commercial internet got rolling in the 1980s; and electronic gaming was coming to vast popularity over that same time: Pure coincidence.
So, now we have this Pioneer Woman person, we're reading her blog on the internet, we're watching her TV show where she cooks rich foods . . . and what makes sense to some people is to criticize her for cooking rich foods, and possibly for over-feeding her (quite healthy-looking) children?
WTFlippieDip?!?!
Modern life is weird. Get off my lawn.
</curmudgeon>
And here’s me, lying in bed on a Saturday morning, READING about watching cooking. LOL! Now I feel like I need to do some pushups.
I'm touched that two people got it . . . and furthermore didn't try to debate an explicitly-labeled rant as if it were a rational argument.
<rant again>
We're in a thread that started when someone watched a trailer for a reality/cooking TV show featuring a carefully-constructed, marketing-oriented simulacrum of an actual person; and thought to post on an internet diet/fitness forum, about whether the real person behind the simulacrum was doing her real-world children wrong by feeding them rich but nutritious/traditional food . . . upon which, much reading and typing ensured, as if the real person were our sister-in-law or neighbor thus a reasonable (?!) subject for our worldwide internet gossip kaffee-klatsch.
Does no one have a sense of irony anymore?
We're clearly in "WALL-E: The Prequel".
</rant>
I gotta go row, or at least do something NEAT-y, in the actual world myself.
:flowerforyou: to all . . . or :drinker: , as you prefer.10 -
cmriverside wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »I got your point, Ann! I giggled to myself. But then I have a lot of practice with cynical. It's a skill.
Who the HE double hockey sticks thinks this is a woo-worthy post?
Prolly the same ones we woo-ed me, and figured they should tar you with the same brush for saying you understood me.
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
:flowerforyou: for you personally.7
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