“But there aren’t any calories in sour cream.”
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If it doesn't have fat in it it doesn't make you gain weight. And it's corollary from the same person: fruits don't contribute to weight gain. Both of these from my university educated cousin with a degree in medical technology.4
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My mother-in-law just told me that if you’re going to have something high-carb like cake or donuts or pie, you need to have it first thing in the morning so you can burn it off. Her friend told her this, “and she’s a nurse!” So that’s how this friend’s whole family ate — birthday cake was served at breakfast.
Same mother-in-law also told me you shouldn’t eat after 8 PM (6 is an even better cut-off) or first thing in the morning. She and my father-in-law rarely eat breakfast. I explained that this is a strategy some people use to limit their overall intake without counting calories, but she’d hear nothing of it. It was how you had to eat to control weight.3 -
"Sugar-free is the same thing as calorie-free." Did we cover that one?2
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emilysusana wrote: »...mother-in-law also told me you shouldn’t eat after 8 PM (6 is an even better cut-off) or first thing in the morning. She and my father-in-law rarely eat breakfast. I explained that this is a strategy some people use to limit their overall intake without counting calories, but she’d hear nothing of it. It was how you had to eat to control weight.
Oh man, I know lots of people who think this way as well. I personally do the "nothing after dinner" thing and floss/brush right after so the kitchen is closed and I know it's just a way for me to avoid extra calories in the late evening. Works for me but by NO means do I believe that eating late will cause you to gain weight or anything like that. My mom thinks people gain weight from eating their dinner too late and that cracks me up.
I have a coworker who is a fairly reasonable man of average weight but when we get donuts delivered by a salesperson he waits until after lunch to eat one because he says if he eats anything before lunch (i.e., breakfast) he'll just binge all day long and have to leave the office to go buy more snacks. People have strange ideas. In the case of my coworker though, I think whatever works for him is fine. It's just funny.1 -
emilysusana wrote: »My mother-in-law just told me that if you’re going to have something high-carb like cake or donuts or pie, you need to have it first thing in the morning so you can burn it off. Her friend told her this, “and she’s a nurse!” So that’s how this friend’s whole family ate — birthday cake was served at breakfast.
Same mother-in-law also told me you shouldn’t eat after 8 PM (6 is an even better cut-off) or first thing in the morning. She and my father-in-law rarely eat breakfast. I explained that this is a strategy some people use to limit their overall intake without counting calories, but she’d hear nothing of it. It was how you had to eat to control weight.
Wait, this is actually genius. So essentially, if you follow the rules... you aren't eating cake or donuts or pie, because you can only eat them first thing in the morning, but you're not supposed to eat anything then! ;D11 -
"you're not fat" - when you're morbidly obese.
Well, thanks I guess for trying to be nice. But that really doesn't work.3 -
Annemariezonderma wrote: »"you're not fat" - when you're morbidly obese.
Well, thanks I guess for trying to be nice. But that really doesn't work.
One of my relatives is in the hospital. He's morbidly obese and it takes at least 2 people to move him. One night I witnessed the process, then the doctor came in and talked about his condition, including saying he was morbidly obese. His wife got angry and screamed "he's not obese, he's just built solid". Close to 400 lbs is very solid I guess.11 -
Annemariezonderma wrote: »"you're not fat" - when you're morbidly obese.
Well, thanks I guess for trying to be nice. But that really doesn't work.
It's been my experience that when people tell an obese person "you're not fat," what they mean is "you're not ugly, sloppy, or lazy, and/or you're not constantly shoving bonbons into your face." If they see a large body size but not the stereotypes associated with it, they're going to think, "not fat, merely heavy."
One of my relatives was afraid that if I lost weight, my personality would change, and I wouldn't be so much "fun." If being "fun" means I exist for people to laugh at and make jokes about, then to you-know-where with being "fun."12 -
New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »Annemariezonderma wrote: »"you're not fat" - when you're morbidly obese.
Well, thanks I guess for trying to be nice. But that really doesn't work.
One of my relatives is in the hospital. He's morbidly obese and it takes at least 2 people to move him. One night I witnessed the process, then the doctor came in and talked about his condition, including saying he was morbidly obese. His wife got angry and screamed "he's not obese, he's just built solid". Close to 400 lbs is very solid I guess.
Definitely not taking the side of your relative's wife...but I think a lot of people have a really skewed idea of what obesity is.
I was morbidly obese in the high 200s and knew that. However, a lot of friends would say that I, or their family member or spouse of similar obesity, was "not obese, just chubby/overweight/chunky/plus-sized"...
Sure that may sound better to them, but I really don't think they were JUST trying to be nice. I think some people have this idea that you're not OBESE unless you need an electric cart to get around, can't sleep in a regular bed, etc. My cousin is an intelligent woman in her thirties and she insisted that her neighbor was "not obese" because she's smaller than actress Chrissy Metz...I'm not sure where that comes from but it's definitely not helpful when it comes to actually defining the level of a person's weight issues.3 -
KimberlyCapone wrote: »I used to get a lot of "you can't eat that, you're on a diet!" Because every once in a while I would order something "unhealthy" like fast food, even though I could fit it within my calorie goals. Now that I've lost the weight, people don't really say that to me anymore, but I know some of them are thinking "oh because you work out a lot you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight." Nope. Working out certainly gives me the freedom to eat more than I would have if I didn't work out, but I still have to monitor and track my calorie intake. There are plenty of people I train with regularly who are still obese. Exercise alone won't do it.
I think this is the #1 reason people fail... people think they have to give up everything.
I think you're right, @KimberlyCapone . This was always my problem.
I knew I had to lose weight, and I knew that meant I had to eat less and be more active. But I lacked a strategy - how much less to eat? How much more active to be? Lacking that strategy, I would vow to give up everything good to eat, get up early every morning to exercise, and so on. You know the routine. I'd usually last a few weeks, until I get fed up or until "life got in the way."
Once I realized that there was a manageable way to lose weight by counting calories, it was like the heavens opened. Suddenly I had a strategy that I could live with -- one that was reasonable, adaptable, and allowed for occasional lapses and frequent indulgences. It encouraged exercise and rewarded consistence and responsibility, without being restrictive or punishing.
I have been going strong ever since. That's why I'm an advocate of simply counting calories - it was a liberating experience for me and has literally changed my life. It baffles me that others don't feel this way too.
it's like you read my soul.3 -
paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
that would definitely apply to my hubby, our cat Max insists on following him on his walk, which is dangerous of course, so we have to carry him home. Never follows me though hmphf. 
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I have a group of three girlfriends and we eat out a lot. One of them says (almost every week) - do you think you can find something at XYZ restaurant that you can eat? I respond the same way every week - I can eat anywhere it's just a matter of budgeting and finding something that fits that budget. EVERY WEEK she says this. I love her but damn girl stop asking the same question.
I have a co worker who does this. We got out once a month for team building, and she always says "Well we have to let Samantha pick because she is on that special diet." And of course I don't argue, because it means we go where I want
(also, my "special diet" is just one within my calorie goal) 5 -
paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
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sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.7 -
MrsBradyBunch wrote: »Annemariezonderma wrote: »"you're not fat" - when you're morbidly obese.
Well, thanks I guess for trying to be nice. But that really doesn't work.
It's been my experience that when people tell an obese person "you're not fat," what they mean is "you're not ugly, sloppy, or lazy, and/or you're not constantly shoving bonbons into your face." If they see a large body size but not the stereotypes associated with it, they're going to think, "not fat, merely heavy."
One of my relatives was afraid that if I lost weight, my personality would change, and I wouldn't be so much "fun." If being "fun" means I exist for people to laugh at and make jokes about, then to you-know-where with being "fun."
Same...I always get a kick out of conversations where I talk to someone about trying to lose weight, and say something about being fat. And they always go, stop it you're beautiful! Well...thank you, I didn't say I was ugly I said I was fat LOL15 -
RelCanonical wrote: »sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.
I know right?! They're such a good idea and totally safe.0 -
RelCanonical wrote: »sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.
I have seen a man on the trail with a cat in a stroller. He let it out at one point, the cat ran around in the woods for a few minutes than ran back to the stoller. It was amazing!4 -
RelCanonical wrote: »sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.
Our remaining cat gets outside time since we replaced our backyard fence. We just open up the back door and out she goes (she's declawed in front, her tendency to lash out wasn't safe when we had a baby in the house). She likes to hang out and watch the squirrels have a hissy fit over her being there.1 -
RelCanonical wrote: »sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.
I have seen a man on the trail with a cat in a stroller. He let it out at one point, the cat ran around in the woods for a few minutes than ran back to the stoller. It was amazing!
I probably wouldn't let my cat out for fear of other creatures, but she is totally a coward and would do this. One time she got outside while we were talking to a vendor at the door, and she immediately ran back in after realizing she didn't know what to do now that she was outside, lol.2 -
FireOpalCO wrote: »RelCanonical wrote: »sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.
Our remaining cat gets outside time since we replaced our backyard fence. We just open up the back door and out she goes (she's declawed in front, her tendency to lash out wasn't safe when we had a baby in the house). She likes to hang out and watch the squirrels have a hissy fit over her being there.FireOpalCO wrote: »RelCanonical wrote: »sammidelvecchio wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats.
I'm thinking about getting my cats a stroller
Omg, this is such a good idea. I'm going to have to see if my cat will go for something like this (like one of those covered strollers with mesh) so she doesn't have to be leashed. I fear for her on just a leash because of the doggies.
Edit: Cat strollers are totally a thing. Omg.
Our remaining cat gets outside time since we replaced our backyard fence. We just open up the back door and out she goes (she's declawed in front, her tendency to lash out wasn't safe when we had a baby in the house). She likes to hang out and watch the squirrels have a hissy fit over her being there.
I was thinking of doing this with my cat since I have a fenced in backyard too, but she managed to figure out how to jump on the shed to get on top of the fence. Scared the crap out of me.0 -
I have a screened in porch, and while my cats are indoor only they were allowed on the porch. Zora (the trouble maker) would push on the screen until one day she pushed it hard enough to break through. We were not on the porch but heard her scream from upstairs. All she did was sit on the ground, right where she fell (about a foot) and howl like she had been abandoned in the middle of the desert instead of the flowerbed a foot away from the house. She's a chicken. She did go out with the dogs last week when they went to potty but she turned right around after she got to the edge of the patio. My other cat spent the first six months of her life on the street, she doesn't even try to get out. She's 14 now and hasn't been out except for occasional vet visits.2
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soufauxgirl wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I once wrote on this forum that one of the reasons we don't walk enough is that we all own cats. that would definitely apply to my hubby, our cat Max insists on following him on his walk, which is dangerous of course, so we have to carry him home. Never follows me though hmphf.
My younger cat used to like to go on walks when we had the older dog who has since passed. He even tolerated the harness and leash. He doesn't like going now that we have a younger dog who goes faster. That's the only time he's gone outside except for the one time he dashed out the door when it was raining. He apparently doesn't like getting wet since he never did it again.
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"It's fine to eat butter on a dairy-free diet, but you should never drink milk because milk is an enzyme."6
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Anyone else find it hard not to share everything you know about calories? I just saw a coworker that I know is trying to lose weight cut up 2 GIANT avocados into her salad, I wanted so badly to tell her that those 2 avo's were adding probably around 400-600 calories to her salad. BUT she didn't ask and it is none of my business! So many people think well it's healthy so I can eat as much as I want!7
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BattyKnitter wrote: »Anyone else find it hard not to share everything you know about calories? I just saw a coworker that I know is trying to lose weight cut up 2 GIANT avocados into her salad, I wanted so badly to tell her that those 2 avo's were adding probably around 400-600 calories to her salad. BUT she didn't ask and it is none of my business! So many people think well it's healthy so I can eat as much as I want!
Holy cow that's a lotta avocado. I seriously eat 1/4 of a large avocado (about 60g) in a salad or on tacos and that's plenty. Sometimes you just gotta bite your tongue, and let them make their mistakes. It's honestly easier for me to just learn privately from my own mistakes rather than have someone tell me I'm doing it wrong. I have a fragile ego, lol.4 -
RelCanonical wrote: »BattyKnitter wrote: »Anyone else find it hard not to share everything you know about calories? I just saw a coworker that I know is trying to lose weight cut up 2 GIANT avocados into her salad, I wanted so badly to tell her that those 2 avo's were adding probably around 400-600 calories to her salad. BUT she didn't ask and it is none of my business! So many people think well it's healthy so I can eat as much as I want!
Holy cow that's a lotta avocado. I seriously eat 1/4 of a large avocado (about 60g) in a salad or on tacos and that's plenty. Sometimes you just gotta bite your tongue, and let them make their mistakes. It's honestly easier for me to just learn privately from my own mistakes rather than have someone tell me I'm doing it wrong. I have a fragile ego, lol.
Yes I'm the same so I didn't say anything! Even people who have shown interest in calorie counting I don't ever talk about how many calories are in their food LOL!
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BattyKnitter wrote: »RelCanonical wrote: »BattyKnitter wrote: »Anyone else find it hard not to share everything you know about calories? I just saw a coworker that I know is trying to lose weight cut up 2 GIANT avocados into her salad, I wanted so badly to tell her that those 2 avo's were adding probably around 400-600 calories to her salad. BUT she didn't ask and it is none of my business! So many people think well it's healthy so I can eat as much as I want!
Holy cow that's a lotta avocado. I seriously eat 1/4 of a large avocado (about 60g) in a salad or on tacos and that's plenty. Sometimes you just gotta bite your tongue, and let them make their mistakes. It's honestly easier for me to just learn privately from my own mistakes rather than have someone tell me I'm doing it wrong. I have a fragile ego, lol.
Yes I'm the same so I didn't say anything! Even people who have shown interest in calorie counting I don't ever talk about how many calories are in their food LOL!
Omg yes, I have to avoid talking about it with my mother because she's frustrated with her lack of weight loss but pounds down nuts and seeds like they're going out of style. I can't tell her just how many calories she's consuming because in the past she was all "but they keep me full!" and yeah, they do help with appetite, but the reason why she's probably so full on them is because she eats so many!1 -
Crafty_camper123 wrote: »I can actually walk my cat! (Sort of). She tolerates a harness and a leash well, so I can stick her in one, and let her walk around. I took her to the vet once, and it was easier to stick her in a harness and leash then it was to put her in her carrier. (She would not let me stick her in that carrier, no matter what I tried.) The vet was impressed, lol!
One of my cats acts like he wants to go outside, and I'd let him on the back porch with a harness and leash, so bought them to try it out. If I put the harness on him he immediately collapses on the floor, acts as if he cannot walk, and cries as if he is being tortured. Ah well.5 -
BattyKnitter wrote: »Anyone else find it hard not to share everything you know about calories? I just saw a coworker that I know is trying to lose weight cut up 2 GIANT avocados into her salad, I wanted so badly to tell her that those 2 avo's were adding probably around 400-600 calories to her salad. BUT she didn't ask and it is none of my business! So many people think well it's healthy so I can eat as much as I want!
I know people who are doing keto who eat at least a whole avocado a day, if not more. Those calories would completely throw off my plan. Then again they said they were doing "clean" keto, so... there's another thing I didn't know existed. But yeah, sometimes it's hard to keep my mouth shut!
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Crafty_camper123 wrote: »I can actually walk my cat! (Sort of). She tolerates a harness and a leash well, so I can stick her in one, and let her walk around. I took her to the vet once, and it was easier to stick her in a harness and leash then it was to put her in her carrier. (She would not let me stick her in that carrier, no matter what I tried.) The vet was impressed, lol!
One of my cats acts like he wants to go outside, and I'd let him on the back porch with a harness and leash, so bought them to try it out. If I put the harness on him he immediately collapses on the floor, acts as if he cannot walk, and cries as if he is being tortured. Ah well.
I was totally expecting this reaction out of my cat. She kept screaming to get out, and trying to dart out on me. I already had a cat sized harness and leash from when my other dog was a tiny puppy. Now, I can't direct her where to go without picking her up,(she'll make me drag her otherwise, lol) but she will just wander around with it attached. It's so weird. Also, the leash makes for a super fun toy she loves to chase.
TBT: I eventually got tired of fighting her on this though, and just let her out now. I suspect she must have been in indoor/outdoor cat before we got her. She goes out to potty with the dogs every time they go, and usually comes back in when they do. This is of course after I bought her this self cleaning litter box because she's so picky about how clean it is. Silly thing.
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