Calories and carbs
Chic_geek31
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If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight?
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
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Because the people telling you that don't know what they're talking about.39
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For SOME people, carbs and sugars aren't very filling, so if they eat diets high in them, they may have more trouble controlling their calories and over eat. But this is not true for everyone. I personally find most carbs pretty filling.
There is a lot of money being made in selling people on "carbs/sugars" are evil. But unless you find you have a problem with overeating when you eat them, there is no need to limit them for either weight loss or health (provided you do not have a medical condition that dictates it).
It is really calories in vs calories out.16 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight
Because calories in vs calories out is boring and doesn't sell web page advertising.24 -
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Don't forget that everyone also has their own personal preferences.
For example, you constantly read about protein being filling, not eating carbs etc.
But I am happily sustained for hours on a bowl of porridge, if I just ate eggs for breakfast by 10 am I would be raging hungry.
Ignore all the bumph, work out what works for you.
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Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.13 -
weight loss world is FULL of *kitten*. People say all kinds of things and you only get attention when your diet has a fancy name and following.
it's also a good way to get people buying your products/services or become famous.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p110 -
katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
Ok, this I understand! It is easier for me to over eat on pizza or fries , then baked chicken and veggies7 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
Ok, this I understand! It is easier for me to over eat on pizza or fries , then baked chicken and veggies
Pizza and fries have as many if not more calories coming from fat than carbohydrates. They're easy to overeat because a combination of fat and carbohydrates is pretty tasty.20 -
katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
I also try to eat a nutrient dense diet, and I tend to limit lower nutrient/high cal foods (which if dessert foods tend to have lots of added sugar, as well as fat), but I would never suggest that "carbs and sugar" = less nutrient dense foods or would not be in a nutrient dense diet.
Food that I eat that contribute carbs and sugar (sugar being just a subset of carbs) include vegetables, fruit, beans and lentils, potatoes and sweet potatoes, pulses like peas, whole grains, etc. I find all the foods I listed quite filling, and they certainly don't cause me to overeat.
I think a nutritious diet should also contain good sources of protein and healthy fats, of course (some of which come with carbs, like nuts and olives and avocados for fats, and beans and lentils and chickpeas and tofu or tempeh, etc., for protein, and some of which come with both fats and protein, like plain greek yogurt (I don't consider yogurt a food that causes me to overeat!)).
Generic advice like "to lose weight or avoid gaining you must limit carbs and sugar" is IMO not very informative or helpful or accurate, as weight loss depends on calories and nutrition is about the overall diet and not everyone tends to overeat carbs, especially without fat included.2 -
Well beyond the motive to sell something, there's the simple fact that even doctors can be bad at understanding and particularly relaying science.Chic_geek31 wrote: »If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight?
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
On a mechanistic, physiological level, that last sentence is 100% accurate and 100% misleading. When you eat any carbohydrate, your body increases the portion of carbohydrate it uses (your body is always using lipids, glucose, and amino acids, always or you are dead), and encourage adipocytes (fat cells) to take up fatty acids for storage (because long term storage of fat as triglycerides needs glucose to make a glycerol backbone for the triglyceride).
Now that's at a very short, very limited scope analysis of your body. Overtime as your body takes and takes out food, what matters is the calories. Even if you're eating only pure sugar but less energy than your body is using, your body has to pull fats out of storage for various physiological processes that only fats can do such as making hormones.8 -
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
A real Doctor or a witch doctor?
Or as seems sadly common a Chiropractor "forgetting" to mention they aren't a actually a medical doctor. There's perhaps more money to be made from joining the diet industry than clicking spines?
A real medical Doctor would know that it's only in a calorie surplus sugar/carbs that causes a net gain in body fat.
A real medical Doctor would also know that it's extraordinarily rare in humans for carbs to be converted to body fat as that's inefficient. (A calorie surplus due to excess carbs would typically result in more dietary fat intake being stored as body fat.)
Not sure why "using sugar for energy" would be painted as a bad thing?
Overall I would in future avoid using any advice from a source so appallingly misinformed or more likely deliberately selling a myth.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Chic_geek31 wrote: »katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
Ok, this I understand! It is easier for me to over eat on pizza or fries , then baked chicken and veggies
Pizza and fries have as many if not more calories coming from fat than carbohydrates. They're easy to overeat because a combination of fat and carbohydrates is pretty tasty.
This.
Chocolate has more calories from fat than sugar, too. I was shocked when I started paying attention. (Disclaimer: I only eat dark chocolate.)6 -
katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
I also try to eat a nutrient dense diet, and I tend to limit lower nutrient/high cal foods (which if dessert foods tend to have lots of added sugar, as well as fat), but I would never suggest that "carbs and sugar" = less nutrient dense foods or would not be in a nutrient dense diet.
Food that I eat that contribute carbs and sugar (sugar being just a subset of carbs) include vegetables, fruit, beans and lentils, potatoes and sweet potatoes, pulses like peas, whole grains, etc. I find all the foods I listed quite filling, and they certainly don't cause me to overeat.
I think a nutritious diet should also contain good sources of protein and healthy fats, of course (some of which come with carbs, like nuts and olives and avocados for fats, and beans and lentils and chickpeas and tofu or tempeh, etc., for protein, and some of which come with both fats and protein, like plain greek yogurt (I don't consider yogurt a food that causes me to overeat!)).
Generic advice like "to lose weight or avoid gaining you must limit carbs and sugar" is IMO not very informative or helpful or accurate, as weight loss depends on calories and nutrition is about the overall diet and not everyone tends to overeat carbs, especially without fat included.
Umm that is not at all what I was trying to convey. I know if I could eat 1200 calories worth of sugary carbs I would lose weight--im just saying personally, those are triggers that cause me to overeat. I do eat high fiber carbs everyday along with fats-- as I said, its always good to balance.
I would down a bag of hershey kisses right here and now if it fit my calorie budget.
And I didnt mean plain greek yogurt (i eat lots of that as well) I said sugary yogurts like chobani flips (ugh theyre so good)2 -
News to articles say...
Eggs good! Eggs bad! Eggs cause cancer! Now eggs good again. Eat an egg before you read another article or the 6 o’clock news comes on quick!!
One person says BMI works but hasn’t for my kids so thinking theirs holes in it maybe it’s only effective for adults who knows. I downloaded a app for kids with BMI used my 20yr old to test it. Realized one BMI chart said she was fat another too thin lol.
Put my son in figured out which chart I agree with sticking with it! Pediatrician labeled him obese they are going by all 2yr olds as an averages.I called today to figure out BMI issues tired of them! Well don’t see how they can lump him in with other 2yr olds he’s as tall as their older siblings! He doesn’t have any chub either just average build just gigantic feet to body. Their suspecting gigantism runs in my family for the men.
Another says Keto good another bad so they all don’t agree.Take the info that helps you the rest place it on the ol’ back burner.16 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight?
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
Because saying put the fork down and get your butt off the couch is harder to hear than.....it's carbs. People will pay money to hear that it's about food choices.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »News to articles say...
Eggs good! Eggs bad! Eggs cause cancer! Now eggs good again. Eat an egg before you read another article or the 6 o’clock news comes on quick!!
One person says BMI works but hasn’t for my kids so thinking theirs holes in it maybe it’s only effective for adults who knows. I downloaded a app for kids with BMI used my 20yr old to test it. Realized one BMI chart said she was fat another too thin lol.
Put my son in figured out which chart I agree with sticking with it! Pediatrician labeled him obese they are going by all 2yr olds as an averages.I called today to figure out BMI issues tired of them! Well don’t see how they can lump him in with other 2yr olds he’s as tall as their older siblings! He doesn’t have any chub either just average build just gigantic feet to body. Their suspecting gigantism runs in my family for the men.
Another says Keto good another bad so they all don’t agree.Take the info that helps you the rest place it on the ol’ back burner.
Actually, BMI widely isn’t used in kids, unless it’s being used inappropriately. For people under 18, height and weight growth charts are the preferred assessment method.12 -
See you agree with me collectingblues! My argument with the doctors are it should be based on his height,head size,weight, neck, and looking at them with the diaper only on. The doctor doesn’t they have 2 scales the one measuring different.They put him on one he’s 34lbs the other he’s 37lbs their height stick they keep trying to lay him down! He’s too big to lay down like other 2yr olds! They occasionally measure his head. No neck measurements or looking st his body structure. Then they quote his BMI has him in obese. Talk about putting a baby on a diet no Thankyou what we’re doing is fine.Other kid did great with my ways he will too! Other kids I raised that weren’t biological also thrived none are hefty only in their 8-9yr old days. My Daughter in high school they graded her based on weight,height,BMI they said she was fat. She’s skinny gymnastics build Navy worked out a lot preNavy too. They had her so upset the Navy took over measurements told the school to back off! She signed up in the Navy at 17. That was years ago pre baby brother.Her Pediatrician used to strip her down look at ribs showing or not to body build then weighed accurately with a scale that was well maintained .No guesstimates,height ,she went as far as measurements all over the place.She no longer practices all these decades later my luck.
He’s just tall I contacted the NBA I was so at the end of my rope well where do you go? Tried everything even dieticians for him. The NBA gave me a link to Shaqs measurements as a child it had a whole article about being tall kid how your growth can stop early or shoot up for almost all your life. Found out my son wears bigger shoes than Shaq did at 4yrs old yikes. Lol The one Doctor I like in the Pediatrician office says he’s just a giant he’s fine do what your doing.I listen to her she’s more down to earth doesn’t useBMI like her colleagues.9 -
Tall isn’t obese I tell them I got a app that does measurements it’s what I go by instead of the Doctors.I use dieticians when needed they say he’s fine just tall kid.
Here’s Shaq measurements
My son age 2yrs
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »See you agree with me collectingblues! My argument with the doctors are it should be based on his height,head size,weight, neck, and looking at them with the diaper only on. The doctor doesn’t they have 2 scales the one measuring different.They put him on one he’s 34lbs the other he’s 37lbs their height stick they keep trying to lay him down! He’s too big to lay down like other 2yr olds! They occasionally measure his head. No neck measurements or looking st his body structure. Then they quote his BMI has him in obese. Talk about putting a baby on a diet no Thankyou what we’re doing is fine.Other kid did great with my ways he will too! Other kids I raised that weren’t biological also thrived none are hefty only in their 8-9yr old days. My Daughter in high school they graded her based on weight,height,BMI they said she was fat. She’s skinny gymnastics build Navy worked out a lot preNavy too. They had her so upset the Navy took over measurements told the school to back off! She signed up in the Navy at 17. That was years ago pre baby brother.Her Pediatrician used to strip her down look at ribs showing or not to body build then weighed accurately with a scale that was well maintained .No guesstimates,height ,she went as far as measurements all over the place.She no longer practices all these decades later my luck.
He’s just tall I contacted the NBA I was so at the end of my rope well where do you go? Tried everything even dieticians for him. The NBA gave me a link to Shaqs measurements as a child it had a whole article about being tall kid how your growth can stop early or shoot up for almost all your life. Found out my son wears bigger shoes than Shaq did at 4yrs old yikes. Lol The one Doctor I like in the Pediatrician office says he’s just a giant he’s fine do what your doing.I listen to her she’s more down to earth doesn’t useBMI like her colleagues.
Well, if looking at the paws works for puppies, why not children's shoe sizes?
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »News to articles say...
Eggs good! Eggs bad! Eggs cause cancer! Now eggs good again. Eat an egg before you read another article or the 6 o’clock news comes on quick!!
And yet, by applying their brains, humans can land a shuttle on an asteroid.
It isn't that everything anybody says it's true and if you hear different things nobody can know anything at all. It means you have to do a little homework to figure things out.12 -
So true Lynn so true lol his paws are huge lol.
His sisters a tiny 5”2 gal 112lbs soak y wet with a sz 6 foot .
He’s catching up fast with her lol. Funny part is everyone laughing at how much padding my home has but he trips over his feet so much it’s the best option you know the saying bigger they are harder they fall!
North have you seen that JimmyKimmel guys episode where they ask people if they think we should save homosapiens from extinction got a lot of No’s lol. Yeah doing all the homework I can my great grandpa was 8ft tall man. Got a cousin who texts with me a lot his mama tries to remember stuff for me (For 90 she has a great memory) he’s 7ft tall his wife too. Trying to get family members measurements to go by best I can to run stuff past them problem is we’re all old now so things like BMI y starvation diets are well not in our data base sort to say lol. Cousin who’s actually a 3rd cousin y me find apps together for everything we need from grocery lists to weight loss he opted for Ketos but I got a headache on it had to stop. The DMV sent me their manual for employees for the little one so I know the rules to laws they measured him for us think he’ll outgrow his car seat super early. We’re on our 4th car seat now the insurance company sent us 2 more that are bigger for older kids to grow into only charged $35 each or so. We bought a taller person home but he can still reach lol so not easy to put stuff out of reach. We buy taller everything we can so he can’t reach the fridge handles that open without ease to get into the pickle jars lol.Opens easy from the inside only. All I do is research praise God it’s out there but not going by the latest fads.Old tried and true when I can .
https://youtu.be/WfEqAolZFB0 3 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »See you agree with me collectingblues! My argument with the doctors are it should be based on his height,head size,weight, neck, and looking at them with the diaper only on. The doctor doesn’t they have 2 scales the one measuring different.They put him on one he’s 34lbs the other he’s 37lbs their height stick they keep trying to lay him down! He’s too big to lay down like other 2yr olds! They occasionally measure his head. No neck measurements or looking st his body structure. Then they quote his BMI has him in obese. Talk about putting a baby on a diet no Thankyou what we’re doing is fine.Other kid did great with my ways he will too! Other kids I raised that weren’t biological also thrived none are hefty only in their 8-9yr old days. My Daughter in high school they graded her based on weight,height,BMI they said she was fat. She’s skinny gymnastics build Navy worked out a lot preNavy too. They had her so upset the Navy took over measurements told the school to back off! She signed up in the Navy at 17. That was years ago pre baby brother.Her Pediatrician used to strip her down look at ribs showing or not to body build then weighed accurately with a scale that was well maintained .No guesstimates,height ,she went as far as measurements all over the place.She no longer practices all these decades later my luck.
He’s just tall I contacted the NBA I was so at the end of my rope well where do you go? Tried everything even dieticians for him. The NBA gave me a link to Shaqs measurements as a child it had a whole article about being tall kid how your growth can stop early or shoot up for almost all your life. Found out my son wears bigger shoes than Shaq did at 4yrs old yikes. Lol The one Doctor I like in the Pediatrician office says he’s just a giant he’s fine do what your doing.I listen to her she’s more down to earth doesn’t useBMI like her colleagues.
No, I don't agree with you. You say that there are holes in it, and that it doesn't work. I'm pointing out that it's not that it doesn't *work* as much as it's not for kids.7 -
Oh got it thanks hun for summing it up for me. Your right it’s definitely not for kids. I say it’s right about me (Adult) tho calls me overweight I’m definitely am. Says I should weight 120-141 lbs. I’m definitely far from that. I feel School shouldn’t implement it at all for kids. It just leads to tears y misinformation. Not sure if it’s just Texas that collects child BMI or not? It’s a real problem here. Look at page 2 near the bottom.
https://www.shapeamerica.org/advocacy/son/2010/upload/Texas-profile.pdf7 -
https://www.texaschildrens.org/departments/weight-management-obesity/body-mass-index-bmi
Hospitals in Texas are bad about using it to Kids Doctors y schools.
I think Texas needs to stop using BMI on kids,especially babies!
My son they say is over 100% found a newer app that includes his head to body measurements says he’s 85% for BMI4 -
I thought the wheat or whole wheat breads /pastas are supposed to be healthy their on the type2 diabetic lists even. My gastronologist says stay away from white bread he made me switch. Lol he was eating McDonald’s burger y fries while he added no fried foods lol. You bet I made him give me some fries.2
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katechris65 wrote: »katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
I also try to eat a nutrient dense diet, and I tend to limit lower nutrient/high cal foods (which if dessert foods tend to have lots of added sugar, as well as fat), but I would never suggest that "carbs and sugar" = less nutrient dense foods or would not be in a nutrient dense diet.
Food that I eat that contribute carbs and sugar (sugar being just a subset of carbs) include vegetables, fruit, beans and lentils, potatoes and sweet potatoes, pulses like peas, whole grains, etc. I find all the foods I listed quite filling, and they certainly don't cause me to overeat.
I think a nutritious diet should also contain good sources of protein and healthy fats, of course (some of which come with carbs, like nuts and olives and avocados for fats, and beans and lentils and chickpeas and tofu or tempeh, etc., for protein, and some of which come with both fats and protein, like plain greek yogurt (I don't consider yogurt a food that causes me to overeat!)).
Generic advice like "to lose weight or avoid gaining you must limit carbs and sugar" is IMO not very informative or helpful or accurate, as weight loss depends on calories and nutrition is about the overall diet and not everyone tends to overeat carbs, especially without fat included.
Umm that is not at all what I was trying to convey. I know if I could eat 1200 calories worth of sugary carbs I would lose weight--im just saying personally, those are triggers that cause me to overeat. I do eat high fiber carbs everyday along with fats-- as I said, its always good to balance.
I would down a bag of hershey kisses right here and now if it fit my calorie budget.
And I didnt mean plain greek yogurt (i eat lots of that as well) I said sugary yogurts like chobani flips (ugh theyre so good)
I'm not a fan of Hershey's kisses, but I checked, and 110 cals have 6 g of fat (for 54 cal) and 13 g of carbs (for 52 cal). So this is why I get frustrated when people ignore the fat and claim that "carbs" are the issue with the foods they have trouble controlling. Many or most carbs I eat are the type I described. The dessert or snack type foods I personally might eat (good chocolate, fries, pie, a homemade cookie) tend to have as much or more fat as carbs.
I don't really have trigger foods, but of course I agree that eating lots of high cal/low nutrient foods for many of us would lead to overeating (harder to have a satiating diet). I'm just rejecting the idea that the issue is "carbs and sugar" given the many foods that have carbs (including sugar, like the plain yogurt -- which is actually my favorite kind of yogurt -- and fruit) and do not cause such problems for many of us.
Of course, what "trigger" or hard to control foods are will vary. My traditional ones all have fat (both the fat+carbs combinations like fries or sweet baked goods and ones that are mostly fat (cheese, nuts, although nuts have some carbs and protein too)). If anything salt + fat is probably my hardest thing to resist.11 -
I pay zero attn. to what's said on carbs, sugar, etc. I've lost 12 lbs within a month and I intake 3-3.5lbs of sugar with coffee a month. Carb intake is appx. 75% more than Protein. Do 2hrs cardio daily, so I need my fuel.5
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »I thought the wheat or whole wheat breads /pastas are supposed to be healthy their on the type2 diabetic lists even. My gastronologist says stay away from white bread he made me switch. Lol he was eating McDonald’s burger y fries while he added no fried foods lol. You bet I made him give me some fries.
Most people can eat white bread ( in moderation, of course) perfectly well. McDonald's burgers, chips and fried foods likewise.
You do not have to limit carbs or sugars to lose weight - although for many people carbs or sugary foods do add a lot of calories so reducing such foods helps those people stay within calorie allowance.
Myself for example - one of the first things I did was swap regular soda for diet version - of course people can fit regular soda in if they want to but was easy way to reduce calories for me.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »I thought the wheat or whole wheat breads /pastas are supposed to be healthy their on the type2 diabetic lists even. My gastronologist says stay away from white bread he made me switch. Lol he was eating McDonald’s burger y fries while he added no fried foods lol. You bet I made him give me some fries.
I’m a type 2. The difference to my blood glucose levels after eating white versus wheat bread is negligible. There’s very little nutritional difference either. There’s a lot of very bad professional advice out there for diabetics, even at the highest level. What works is testing blood sugar to see what foods spike glucose and in what amounts, since there is great variance between individuals.
On a related subject, I tried one brand of supposedly low carb tortillas, and they spiked my levels badly enough that I looked online for reviews from other diabetics and found my experience was a common one. My results were extreme enough, and shared among enough people, that they lead me to believe that the package information is simply falsified. Something to bear in mind when eating fancy processed foods sold as low carb.5
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