Calories and carbs
Chic_geek31
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If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight?
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
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Because the people telling you that don't know what they're talking about.39
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For SOME people, carbs and sugars aren't very filling, so if they eat diets high in them, they may have more trouble controlling their calories and over eat. But this is not true for everyone. I personally find most carbs pretty filling.
There is a lot of money being made in selling people on "carbs/sugars" are evil. But unless you find you have a problem with overeating when you eat them, there is no need to limit them for either weight loss or health (provided you do not have a medical condition that dictates it).
It is really calories in vs calories out.16 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight
Because calories in vs calories out is boring and doesn't sell web page advertising.24 -
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Don't forget that everyone also has their own personal preferences.
For example, you constantly read about protein being filling, not eating carbs etc.
But I am happily sustained for hours on a bowl of porridge, if I just ate eggs for breakfast by 10 am I would be raging hungry.
Ignore all the bumph, work out what works for you.
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Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.13 -
weight loss world is FULL of *kitten*. People say all kinds of things and you only get attention when your diet has a fancy name and following.
it's also a good way to get people buying your products/services or become famous.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10636388/free-customized-personal-weight-loss-eating-plan-not-spam-or-mlm/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p110 -
katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
Ok, this I understand! It is easier for me to over eat on pizza or fries , then baked chicken and veggies7 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
Ok, this I understand! It is easier for me to over eat on pizza or fries , then baked chicken and veggies
Pizza and fries have as many if not more calories coming from fat than carbohydrates. They're easy to overeat because a combination of fat and carbohydrates is pretty tasty.20 -
katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
I also try to eat a nutrient dense diet, and I tend to limit lower nutrient/high cal foods (which if dessert foods tend to have lots of added sugar, as well as fat), but I would never suggest that "carbs and sugar" = less nutrient dense foods or would not be in a nutrient dense diet.
Food that I eat that contribute carbs and sugar (sugar being just a subset of carbs) include vegetables, fruit, beans and lentils, potatoes and sweet potatoes, pulses like peas, whole grains, etc. I find all the foods I listed quite filling, and they certainly don't cause me to overeat.
I think a nutritious diet should also contain good sources of protein and healthy fats, of course (some of which come with carbs, like nuts and olives and avocados for fats, and beans and lentils and chickpeas and tofu or tempeh, etc., for protein, and some of which come with both fats and protein, like plain greek yogurt (I don't consider yogurt a food that causes me to overeat!)).
Generic advice like "to lose weight or avoid gaining you must limit carbs and sugar" is IMO not very informative or helpful or accurate, as weight loss depends on calories and nutrition is about the overall diet and not everyone tends to overeat carbs, especially without fat included.2 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight?
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
On a mechanistic, physiological level, that last sentence is 100% accurate and 100% misleading. When you eat any carbohydrate, your body increases the portion of carbohydrate it uses (your body is always using lipids, glucose, and amino acids, always or you are dead), and encourage adipocytes (fat cells) to take up fatty acids for storage (because long term storage of fat as triglycerides needs glucose to make a glycerol backbone for the triglyceride).
Now that's at a very short, very limited scope analysis of your body. Overtime as your body takes and takes out food, what matters is the calories. Even if you're eating only pure sugar but less energy than your body is using, your body has to pull fats out of storage for various physiological processes that only fats can do such as making hormones.8 -
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
A real Doctor or a witch doctor?
Or as seems sadly common a Chiropractor "forgetting" to mention they aren't a actually a medical doctor. There's perhaps more money to be made from joining the diet industry than clicking spines?
A real medical Doctor would know that it's only in a calorie surplus sugar/carbs that causes a net gain in body fat.
A real medical Doctor would also know that it's extraordinarily rare in humans for carbs to be converted to body fat as that's inefficient. (A calorie surplus due to excess carbs would typically result in more dietary fat intake being stored as body fat.)
Not sure why "using sugar for energy" would be painted as a bad thing?
Overall I would in future avoid using any advice from a source so appallingly misinformed or more likely deliberately selling a myth.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Chic_geek31 wrote: »katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
Ok, this I understand! It is easier for me to over eat on pizza or fries , then baked chicken and veggies
Pizza and fries have as many if not more calories coming from fat than carbohydrates. They're easy to overeat because a combination of fat and carbohydrates is pretty tasty.
This.
Chocolate has more calories from fat than sugar, too. I was shocked when I started paying attention. (Disclaimer: I only eat dark chocolate.)6 -
katechris65 wrote: »Personally, carbs and sugar cause me to overeat. My insulin levels will spike after eating a cliff bar or a sugary yogurt. Ultimately, those foods will trigger me to eat more and send me over my calorie goal for the day.
Everyone is different of course but I try and eat nutrient dense foods and a healthy balanced diet for that reason alone.
Weight loss IS all about calories but certain foods will put you over your calorie limit or trigger you to over eat.
I also try to eat a nutrient dense diet, and I tend to limit lower nutrient/high cal foods (which if dessert foods tend to have lots of added sugar, as well as fat), but I would never suggest that "carbs and sugar" = less nutrient dense foods or would not be in a nutrient dense diet.
Food that I eat that contribute carbs and sugar (sugar being just a subset of carbs) include vegetables, fruit, beans and lentils, potatoes and sweet potatoes, pulses like peas, whole grains, etc. I find all the foods I listed quite filling, and they certainly don't cause me to overeat.
I think a nutritious diet should also contain good sources of protein and healthy fats, of course (some of which come with carbs, like nuts and olives and avocados for fats, and beans and lentils and chickpeas and tofu or tempeh, etc., for protein, and some of which come with both fats and protein, like plain greek yogurt (I don't consider yogurt a food that causes me to overeat!)).
Generic advice like "to lose weight or avoid gaining you must limit carbs and sugar" is IMO not very informative or helpful or accurate, as weight loss depends on calories and nutrition is about the overall diet and not everyone tends to overeat carbs, especially without fat included.
Umm that is not at all what I was trying to convey. I know if I could eat 1200 calories worth of sugary carbs I would lose weight--im just saying personally, those are triggers that cause me to overeat. I do eat high fiber carbs everyday along with fats-- as I said, its always good to balance.
I would down a bag of hershey kisses right here and now if it fit my calorie budget.
And I didnt mean plain greek yogurt (i eat lots of that as well) I said sugary yogurts like chobani flips (ugh theyre so good)2 -
News to articles say...
Eggs good! Eggs bad! Eggs cause cancer! Now eggs good again. Eat an egg before you read another article or the 6 o’clock news comes on quick!!
One person says BMI works but hasn’t for my kids so thinking theirs holes in it maybe it’s only effective for adults who knows. I downloaded a app for kids with BMI used my 20yr old to test it. Realized one BMI chart said she was fat another too thin lol.
Put my son in figured out which chart I agree with sticking with it! Pediatrician labeled him obese they are going by all 2yr olds as an averages.I called today to figure out BMI issues tired of them! Well don’t see how they can lump him in with other 2yr olds he’s as tall as their older siblings! He doesn’t have any chub either just average build just gigantic feet to body. Their suspecting gigantism runs in my family for the men.
Another says Keto good another bad so they all don’t agree.Take the info that helps you the rest place it on the ol’ back burner.16 -
Chic_geek31 wrote: »If weight lost is truly calories in vs calories out. Why are we told to limit carbs and sugars to avoid gaining weight?
I just watched a video of a doctor saying that eating sugar/carbs causes the body to store fat and use sugar for energy.
Because saying put the fork down and get your butt off the couch is harder to hear than.....it's carbs. People will pay money to hear that it's about food choices.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »News to articles say...
Eggs good! Eggs bad! Eggs cause cancer! Now eggs good again. Eat an egg before you read another article or the 6 o’clock news comes on quick!!
One person says BMI works but hasn’t for my kids so thinking theirs holes in it maybe it’s only effective for adults who knows. I downloaded a app for kids with BMI used my 20yr old to test it. Realized one BMI chart said she was fat another too thin lol.
Put my son in figured out which chart I agree with sticking with it! Pediatrician labeled him obese they are going by all 2yr olds as an averages.I called today to figure out BMI issues tired of them! Well don’t see how they can lump him in with other 2yr olds he’s as tall as their older siblings! He doesn’t have any chub either just average build just gigantic feet to body. Their suspecting gigantism runs in my family for the men.
Another says Keto good another bad so they all don’t agree.Take the info that helps you the rest place it on the ol’ back burner.
Actually, BMI widely isn’t used in kids, unless it’s being used inappropriately. For people under 18, height and weight growth charts are the preferred assessment method.12 -
See you agree with me collectingblues! My argument with the doctors are it should be based on his height,head size,weight, neck, and looking at them with the diaper only on. The doctor doesn’t they have 2 scales the one measuring different.They put him on one he’s 34lbs the other he’s 37lbs their height stick they keep trying to lay him down! He’s too big to lay down like other 2yr olds! They occasionally measure his head. No neck measurements or looking st his body structure. Then they quote his BMI has him in obese. Talk about putting a baby on a diet no Thankyou what we’re doing is fine.Other kid did great with my ways he will too! Other kids I raised that weren’t biological also thrived none are hefty only in their 8-9yr old days. My Daughter in high school they graded her based on weight,height,BMI they said she was fat. She’s skinny gymnastics build Navy worked out a lot preNavy too. They had her so upset the Navy took over measurements told the school to back off! She signed up in the Navy at 17. That was years ago pre baby brother.Her Pediatrician used to strip her down look at ribs showing or not to body build then weighed accurately with a scale that was well maintained .No guesstimates,height ,she went as far as measurements all over the place.She no longer practices all these decades later my luck.
He’s just tall I contacted the NBA I was so at the end of my rope well where do you go? Tried everything even dieticians for him. The NBA gave me a link to Shaqs measurements as a child it had a whole article about being tall kid how your growth can stop early or shoot up for almost all your life. Found out my son wears bigger shoes than Shaq did at 4yrs old yikes. Lol The one Doctor I like in the Pediatrician office says he’s just a giant he’s fine do what your doing.I listen to her she’s more down to earth doesn’t useBMI like her colleagues.9 -
Tall isn’t obese I tell them I got a app that does measurements it’s what I go by instead of the Doctors.I use dieticians when needed they say he’s fine just tall kid.
Here’s Shaq measurements
My son age 2yrs
Son at 1yr last pic0 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »See you agree with me collectingblues! My argument with the doctors are it should be based on his height,head size,weight, neck, and looking at them with the diaper only on. The doctor doesn’t they have 2 scales the one measuring different.They put him on one he’s 34lbs the other he’s 37lbs their height stick they keep trying to lay him down! He’s too big to lay down like other 2yr olds! They occasionally measure his head. No neck measurements or looking st his body structure. Then they quote his BMI has him in obese. Talk about putting a baby on a diet no Thankyou what we’re doing is fine.Other kid did great with my ways he will too! Other kids I raised that weren’t biological also thrived none are hefty only in their 8-9yr old days. My Daughter in high school they graded her based on weight,height,BMI they said she was fat. She’s skinny gymnastics build Navy worked out a lot preNavy too. They had her so upset the Navy took over measurements told the school to back off! She signed up in the Navy at 17. That was years ago pre baby brother.Her Pediatrician used to strip her down look at ribs showing or not to body build then weighed accurately with a scale that was well maintained .No guesstimates,height ,she went as far as measurements all over the place.She no longer practices all these decades later my luck.
He’s just tall I contacted the NBA I was so at the end of my rope well where do you go? Tried everything even dieticians for him. The NBA gave me a link to Shaqs measurements as a child it had a whole article about being tall kid how your growth can stop early or shoot up for almost all your life. Found out my son wears bigger shoes than Shaq did at 4yrs old yikes. Lol The one Doctor I like in the Pediatrician office says he’s just a giant he’s fine do what your doing.I listen to her she’s more down to earth doesn’t useBMI like her colleagues.
Well, if looking at the paws works for puppies, why not children's shoe sizes?5
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