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Wondered Where People Get Some of These Ideas?
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WinoGelato wrote: »
I knew something looked off.3 -
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And another case in point:
I mean, celery has some nice phytochemicals, but . . . really? And a whole book?
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Very interesting thread/topic!
The reality seems to be that as the fitness industry grows, so do people's waistline. I think most fitness people and probably some publishers are well intentioned. But so much of it is about generating revenue and having repeat customers (i.e. people that never lose weight or yo yo diet)
Definitely. MLMs in particular aren't making bank because of someone who counts their calories & macros and successfully maintains a huge weight loss. They're making money off the same schmucks who will try anything that causes them to lose the same 8 lb over & over, and don't care that it "happened in 10 days" and came back in the next 10 days. I know so many people who fall for every single product, diet, and plan.4 -
I know, I shouldn't judge without trying it, or at least reading it
This is a sentiment I hear a lot but honestly I think its a bit silly. Of course it is a useful skill to be able to pre-judge something with limited information in order to not waste time looking into it further. Are we honestly expected to look in depth into absolutely everything we see? Of course not...so yes of course we have to pre-judge things and learning the warning signs and patterns of likely misinformation is a good way of making sure you spend what little time you have with what is most likely relevant rather than with what is most likely not.
I have no sheepishness about disregarding trash like that because lets be blunt, its clearly just the print-version of clickbait with no substance behind it.
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Motorsheen wrote: »I
this thread 
So just to add to the fun, I snapped this while I was waiting in line at Safeway a while ago. Notice that in the upper right hand corner, in the middle of all the scammy weight loss hoopla is an article that promises to help you save money by avoiding scams...
I'm pretty sure that I could drop 16 pounds in 5 days.
It would just be unhealthy, uncomfortable, fleeting and quite possibly illegal.
... but entirely doable.
Me too! I can lose 16 lbs. in half an hour... can I borrow someone's sawzall? Goodbye forever, lower half of my right leg!2 -
I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
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Geez, 1950 says hello
This is how it was when I was growing up - thought we were past that by now. So sad. 5 -
I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
That's just sad.4 -
mom23mangos wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
That's just sad.
This also explains why I never wake up pretty.10 -
I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
why not both ??2 -
I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
Men have to do just 25 exercises but women need 128? *kitten*.2 -
I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
Ugh, gross. This makes me so mad! Also, side note, waking up pretty is not a thing. Even Mila Kunis doesn't wake up pretty. We're all kind of gross in the morning, and that's OKAY!5 -
I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
Men have to do just 25 exercises but women need 128? *kitten*.
Yes, it's true.
I'm on exercise 23 right now..... so you better get started.
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smoofinator wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
Ugh, gross. This makes me so mad! Also, side note, waking up pretty is not a thing. Even Mila Kunis doesn't wake up pretty. We're all kind of gross in the morning, and that's OKAY!
I dunno - I think I read somewhere that Kim Kardashian sleeps in her makeup when she's doing a multi-day shoot.0 -
smoofinator wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
Ugh, gross. This makes me so mad! Also, side note, waking up pretty is not a thing. Even Mila Kunis doesn't wake up pretty. We're all kind of gross in the morning, and that's OKAY!
I dunno - I think I read somewhere that Kim Kardashian sleeps in her makeup when she's doing a multi-day shoot.
I guess that would mean I'd have to consider Kim Kardashian pretty at any point in the day...I do not4 -
Heh...I'm grateful to wake up period, much less wake up "pretty" lol.8
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smoofinator wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
Ugh, gross. This makes me so mad! Also, side note, waking up pretty is not a thing. Even Mila Kunis doesn't wake up pretty. We're all kind of gross in the morning, and that's OKAY!
I suspect some 16-year-olds wake up pretty in the morning, graceful, dewy-complected gazelles that some young women are at that age . . . but they read this kind of s**t and think they're ugly, sadly.Motorsheen wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
Men have to do just 25 exercises but women need 128? *kitten*.
Yes, it's true.
I'm on exercise 23 right now..... so you better get started.
So the last 2 for men are super magical? Duly noted.
(Just kidding - no true personal animus intended. :flowerforyou: )5 -
smoofinator wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
These are so archaic. Completely failing to recognize the other 67 genders.
Makes me think of this. NB: These magazines are produced by separate publishers. It's not one publisher making two different magazines.
Ugh, gross. This makes me so mad! Also, side note, waking up pretty is not a thing. Even Mila Kunis doesn't wake up pretty. We're all kind of gross in the morning, and that's OKAY!
I suspect some 16-year-olds wake up pretty in the morning, graceful, dewy-complected gazelles that some young women are at that age . . . but they read this kind of s**t and think they're ugly, sadly.Motorsheen wrote: »I find it amusing comparing mags from the same publisher but aimed at men vs. women (such as Men's Health and Women's Health).
In the taglines, men usually get "ripped", women "toned". Men get "rock hard abs", women "a flat belly". And so forth.
There was even a set of special issues (photo below) put out by that publisher, one for men and one for women, that were aimed at bodyweight fitness. Inside, based on a flip-through, there were pretty much exactly the same exercises. They just were photographed with models of the appropriate sex. Taglines on the cover slanted very diffently, though.
Men have to do just 25 exercises but women need 128? *kitten*.
Yes, it's true.
I'm on exercise 23 right now..... so you better get started.
So the last 2 for men are super magical? Duly noted.
(Just kidding - no true personal animus intended. :flowerforyou: )
None taken.
Have a fun afternoon!
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And 1960, and 1970...and 80...I remember some variation on the theme since I first learned to read what these magazines said.Geez, 1950 says hello This is how it was when I was growing up - thought we were past that by now. So sad.
People catch on and it gets slightly changed up to incorporate the newest "Let us enlighten you!" fad.
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These publications are catering to the desires of the target demographic.
Advertising is not the root cause. This is a symptom.
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Motorsheen wrote: »
Indeed. Nothing precluding a young woman from being both pretty AND exploring her future as a potential astronaut (or whatever else she wants to be). Or a young man from being pretty if that's his preference. 4 -
These publications are catering to the desires of the target demographic.
Advertising is not the root cause. This is a symptom.
I get your point. But where do those desires come from in the first place? It just seems like stereotypes of what a man and woman should want and/or look like are just being perpetuated throughout the ages, sometimes.5 -
These publications are catering to the desires of the target demographic.
Advertising is not the root cause. This is a symptom.
At this point in the idea's life cycle, I think it's just a self-reinforcing, self-perpetuating system. The cause and effect are circling conjoined twins.
It may gradually evolve a bit in one direction or another, but any kind of rapid change would require a system disruption.7 -
These publications are catering to the desires of the target demographic.
Advertising is not the root cause. This is a symptom.
At this point in the idea's life cycle, I think it's just a self-reinforcing, self-perpetuating system. The cause and effect are circling conjoined twins.
It may gradually evolve a bit in one direction or another, but any kind of rapid change would require a system disruption.
I'm adopted and have always been fascinated with this and too have looked to twin/adoption studies over nature/nurture. So when I look at the 128 exercises vs 25 I look at why one gender would want something simple over complex or vice versa. Also thinking of the number of posts from new people "Weight loss cannot be this simple" as if the complexity of the process increases the validity.
Advertising is one thing, but "more is caught, then taught" so this behavior is reinforced by example by the parent/guardian up until 18-25. After this genetics establishes the parameters on behavior.1 -
These publications are catering to the desires of the target demographic.
Advertising is not the root cause. This is a symptom.
At this point in the idea's life cycle, I think it's just a self-reinforcing, self-perpetuating system. The cause and effect are circling conjoined twins.
It may gradually evolve a bit in one direction or another, but any kind of rapid change would require a system disruption.
I'm adopted and have always been fascinated with this and too have looked to twin/adoption studies over nature/nurture. So when I look at the 128 exercises vs 25 I look at why one gender would want something simple over complex or vice versa. Also thinking of the number of posts from new people "Weight loss cannot be this simple" as if the complexity of the process increases the validity.
Advertising is one thing, but "more is caught, then taught" so this behavior is reinforced by example by the parent/guardian up until 18-25. After this genetics establishes the parameters on behavior.
Kind of off topic, but @csardriver, look up studies done by Dr. Nancy Segal. She was the first to take the other end of the nature vs. nurture question and research virtual twins (non-related siblings less than 9 months apart). We already had lots of studies of twins being raised together and even twins being raised apart via adoption, but no one was looking at the other side of it. My boys are 1 month apart and we participated in some of her studies. I haven't seen anything recent by her, but most of her research pointed to nature winning out over nurture in most cases, although of course it's all very complicated and intertwined. In my n=1 case, I can attest to nature being stronger.3 -
mom23mangos wrote: »These publications are catering to the desires of the target demographic.
Advertising is not the root cause. This is a symptom.
At this point in the idea's life cycle, I think it's just a self-reinforcing, self-perpetuating system. The cause and effect are circling conjoined twins.
It may gradually evolve a bit in one direction or another, but any kind of rapid change would require a system disruption.
I'm adopted and have always been fascinated with this and too have looked to twin/adoption studies over nature/nurture. So when I look at the 128 exercises vs 25 I look at why one gender would want something simple over complex or vice versa. Also thinking of the number of posts from new people "Weight loss cannot be this simple" as if the complexity of the process increases the validity.
Advertising is one thing, but "more is caught, then taught" so this behavior is reinforced by example by the parent/guardian up until 18-25. After this genetics establishes the parameters on behavior.
Kind of off topic, but @CSARdiver, look up studies done by Dr. Nancy Segal. She was the first to take the other end of the nature vs. nurture question and research virtual twins (non-related siblings less than 9 months apart). We already had lots of studies of twins being raised together and even twins being raised apart via adoption, but no one was looking at the other side of it. My boys are 1 month apart and we participated in some of her studies. I haven't seen anything recent by her, but most of her research pointed to nature winning out over nurture in most cases, although of course it's all very complicated and intertwined. In my n=1 case, I can attest to nature being stronger.
I think this lies at the core of the topic. Thanks for the note - I have read Dr. Segal's books and believe she is on a more correct path. That is so cool that you were involved in the studies!
I believe nature establishes the parameters in large over the course of life. This is amplified by nurture during the developmental years and in extreme cases, causes severe limitations and/or expansions - think extreme poverty/wealth or trauma resulting in post traumatic stress or growth situations. Over time as one enters adulthood and becomes more in control over their own person nurture becomes like more of a conscious - the devil/angel/cricket on your shoulder, but genetics dominates.2
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