Really frustrated - Please Help
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dmcforthewin wrote: »
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away.... Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week.
I cut some of your post to the parts that do need addressing.
Stick to your calorie goal and don't fret the macros. Carb paranoia is unhelpful. Carbs do not make you gain weight more than any other type of food. They just don't.
MFP cannot give you calories for walking for 60 mins in its base allowance unless you prelogged your exercise. The exercise goal it has you enter does NOTHING for your calorie total, I almost feel like they should take it out of the guided setup, it's like a wish or something. So if you have 1290 as your basic allowance for your correct lifestyle (ie. sedentary/lightly active/whatever) you should add calories on top of that if you walk for an hour. Your deficit is already in the 1290, you'd just be making it bigger in a not necessarily healthy way by walking and not adding those cals back to your total available to eat.5 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Rather than trying to get carbs then hope you don't exceed your carb budget, try to get fat and protein without carbs. That's the whole point of keto, isn't it?
When I went into the Keto diet, I actually was mainly searching for fats and proteins and some other foods, but I was having issues with it all taking me over the carb amounts. It's like everything has carbs. I think my carbs were set way too low and that was my whole issue wth thring to reach my calories for the day. By the time I was almost about 300 calories shy of my daily intake, I was over my carb amount, but then I had my carbs at 14g. I know, crazy. I tried adding more fats in the form of things then actual foods, but that was to help with the calories without upping the carbs. I just think the Keto thing is not for me right now. I have done decent in weight loss in the past. Just balanced meals, portion control and of course exercise and it did work for me for a while. Keto just sounded exciting at first, but how I am feeling with 20 carbs or less is killing me. I have almost no energy to get up off the sofa.
When I started trying to do keto, and I've been dramatically unsuccessful at it, I knew that I needed to increase my salt intake during the first week. The book I had read, https://www.amazon.com/ANYWAY-YOU-CAN-Bosworth-BEGINNERS/dp/0999854232 recommended pink salt for the wide variety of minerals it delivers. The experience you describe of having no energy seems similar to the famous "keto flu" which is brought on by the loss of electrolytes as you release water through your kidneys from the burning of the glycogen stores in your body.
Nope. It can actually be harmful.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pink-himalayan-sea-salt-an-update/
Wow!By my count, only about a quarter of the minerals in Himalayan pink salt are nutrients that the human body can or might be able to use. The other three quarters are not recognized nutrients and would be better classified as contaminants. They have no known health benefits, and many of them are known to be harmful. The list includes many poisons like mercury, arsenic, lead, and thallium. It includes radioactive elements: radium, uranium, polonium, plutonium, and many others. Radiation causes cancer, and even tiny amounts are potentially harmful
Well, I just started using the pink salt, but I may now scrap that idea. That sounds pretty bad. I feel like everytime you turn around something that someone proclaims is heathy, someone else says it isn't (professionals I mean). You never know what to believe. I don't like what's in that article, so I will probably switch to be on the safe side. T
Wading through information can be challenging. Way too many people out there trying to make money, they unfortunately can look pretty legitimate. I like the sciencebasedmedicine site, and examine.com for supplements.5 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p12 -
To expand on my earlier comment - this entry right here in guided setup is possibly responsible for a lot of confusion:
I could put that I intend to exercise every minute of every day and it still wouldn't change the calorie allowance it gave me, while the "activity level" choice does.4 -
MelanieCN77 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away.... Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week.
I cut some of your post to the parts that do need addressing.
Stick to your calorie goal and don't fret the macros. Carb paranoia is unhelpful. Carbs do not make you gain weight more than any other type of food. They just don't.
MFP cannot give you calories for walking for 60 mins in its base allowance unless you prelogged your exercise. The exercise goal it has you enter does NOTHING for your calorie total, I almost feel like they should take it out of the guided setup, it's like a wish or something. So if you have 1290 as your basic allowance for your correct lifestyle (ie. sedentary/lightly active/whatever) you should add calories on top of that if you walk for an hour. Your deficit is already in the 1290, you'd just be making it bigger in a not necessarily healthy way by walking and not adding those cals back to your total available to eat.
I just realized that about the exercise when I logged in my first exercise for the day at night, AFTER I ate for the day. I was about to close my food entry and it bumped me up to 1600+ from 1290 calories. Then I was like great. It's bed time and I still have at least 300 calories to eat before it will let me close for the day. I went and took out my exercise for that day.
To be honest with me personally, 1290 of calories really makes me full at each meal. At this point, I'm ok for now, but I may raise it in the future. I am going to see over the next few weeks if I keep a steady 1-2 lbs off and no more each week. I don't want to lose more then that.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Rather than trying to get carbs then hope you don't exceed your carb budget, try to get fat and protein without carbs. That's the whole point of keto, isn't it?
When I went into the Keto diet, I actually was mainly searching for fats and proteins and some other foods, but I was having issues with it all taking me over the carb amounts. It's like everything has carbs. I think my carbs were set way too low and that was my whole issue wth thring to reach my calories for the day. By the time I was almost about 300 calories shy of my daily intake, I was over my carb amount, but then I had my carbs at 14g. I know, crazy. I tried adding more fats in the form of things then actual foods, but that was to help with the calories without upping the carbs. I just think the Keto thing is not for me right now. I have done decent in weight loss in the past. Just balanced meals, portion control and of course exercise and it did work for me for a while. Keto just sounded exciting at first, but how I am feeling with 20 carbs or less is killing me. I have almost no energy to get up off the sofa.
When I started trying to do keto, and I've been dramatically unsuccessful at it, I knew that I needed to increase my salt intake during the first week. The book I had read, https://www.amazon.com/ANYWAY-YOU-CAN-Bosworth-BEGINNERS/dp/0999854232 recommended pink salt for the wide variety of minerals it delivers. The experience you describe of having no energy seems similar to the famous "keto flu" which is brought on by the loss of electrolytes as you release water through your kidneys from the burning of the glycogen stores in your body.
Nope. It can actually be harmful.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pink-himalayan-sea-salt-an-update/
Wow!By my count, only about a quarter of the minerals in Himalayan pink salt are nutrients that the human body can or might be able to use. The other three quarters are not recognized nutrients and would be better classified as contaminants. They have no known health benefits, and many of them are known to be harmful. The list includes many poisons like mercury, arsenic, lead, and thallium. It includes radioactive elements: radium, uranium, polonium, plutonium, and many others. Radiation causes cancer, and even tiny amounts are potentially harmful
Well, I just started using the pink salt, but I may now scrap that idea. That sounds pretty bad. I feel like everytime you turn around something that someone proclaims is heathy, someone else says it isn't (professionals I mean). You never know what to believe. I don't like what's in that article, so I will probably switch to be on the safe side. T
Wading through information can be challenging. Way too many people out there trying to make money, they unfortunately can look pretty legitimate. I like the sciencebasedmedicine site, and examine.com for supplements.
Thanks! I will take a look.0 -
So keto didn't work out for me at all. Right now I'm just tracking everything and I've lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks (probably mostly water weight) but it's been super helpful and it's not restricting me as much. My goals are 1200 Calories, 120-150g of carbs, 40g of fat, and 45g of sugar. Cutting out fast food, unnecessary sugars like soda, and working out 5 times a week has been my key to success I hope you find a good path! 0
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kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.0 -
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.[/quote]
I'm pretty sure MFP readjusts your calories so that you're still eating your calorie intake even after burning those calories off. I typically don't go super over it, but it gives you that space to eat an extra few calories based off how much you burned.
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Serenity0429 wrote: »Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
I'm pretty sure MFP readjusts your calories so that you're still eating your calorie intake even after burning those calories off. I typically don't go super over it, but it gives you that space to eat an extra few calories based off how much you burned.
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dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »Hi Everyone. I hope you guys can give me some thoughts or ideas. I understand if you haven't any ideas yourself, based on my issue. I am doing the Keto diet. My carbs are 16g, fats 86g and protein 69. I started out on a 1290 calorie diet. I had to lower it to 1100 because I was having issues trying not too go over my carbs, yet still hit my calories for the day, so I can log my day entry. I don't know what to do. I am trying to plan tomorrows meals, but I can't seem to stop going over my carbs, fat and protein, and hit my calories. I know I may be confusing, and I understand if you can't help.
How do any of you hit your daily calories, without going over your carbs and maybe even the fat and protein? I am about to give up. I was only eating like 800 calories a day before tracking, but I decided I needed to track, It's not helping my stress levels. It woud be a lot easier if I wasn't on Keto, but I need to be super careful about carbs, since I am in Ketosis. Thanks!
First things first. Calories come before ketosis. You must eat a healthy amount of calories to maintain a good level of energy and nutrition for yourself. You could do yourself a lot of harm by under eating.
Secondly, why are your carbs that low? 30 should be fine and even 50 for most people. Also, as @Constance320 points out these should be net carbs not total carbs. Net carbs meaning that you subtract fiber from the total carbs.
Thirdly, why are you trying to control fats and proteins so much? Your protein should probably be a little higher anyway.
Lastly, you should not be trying to force yourself into a keto diet that you do not fully understand. Any way of eating that results in a calorie deficit will help you lose weight. Keto and ketosis are not required. You pick a method that you find easy so you can sustain it for a long period of time. Maybe you can do that with keto if you educate yourself on it better, if not, you should ditch it.
I understand what you are saying. The thing is that I have been a number of Keto sights, some pretty good ones and after putting in all my profile, age, weight, exercise, that is what they are sending me for my macronutrients. I have been looking at tons of you-tube videos and they all say the same thing as far as the Keto, They all say, based on your calories to do, 5-10% carbs (to switch over your fat burning to use Ketones, rather then glycegon, 65-75% fat and around a range of 20% protein. Now, they do say once you are fat adapted in a few weeks at earliest, which I am approaching, you can adjust and up your carbs little by little. I use the blood tester at home to help me know if I am still in Ketotosis (fat burning). I have tried different ways, but cutting my carbs and upping my fats from the information everyone is giving me seems to be working, at least for now.
I think I should up my carbs to 30, as you said. I have been thinking on pushing it upward some.
The reason why I am trying to have higher fats, is so my body can run on energy from my fats, insted of excess carbs which I was doing and never losing. I would only buring my glycegon sugar stores and I guess not switching to Ketones for burning fat. I am still new and trying to sort it all out. I do appreciate your feedback very much.
The kind of misconceptions you get from so many of those sites spitting out myths.
Did you know the vast majority of your day on average diet is already spent with fat as energy source?
In those states it's your brain using 90% of the carbs being burned. But easily 80-90% of total energy spent is fat as fuel source.
There is no such thing as "fat adapted" - your body is very able to burn fat as primary fuel source as it does most the time.
Only thing keto is switching over is the brain fuel source, and the low level activity that normally would start using some carbs (but still mainly fat as fuel source) - both go to ketones.
But as activity ramps up - ketones can't be used fast enough, and eventually fat can't supply enough fast enough - that carbs will be used no matter what.
If you do intense workouts that matters.
But you still gotta hit your nutritional goals and enough calories your body won't rebel thinking it's been underfed by too much.
You want enough deficit to lose only fat (water weight doesn't matter except for what the scale says - which rarely do other people see), but not so much you lose more important things like traditional muscle loss as weight is lost.
That's a bear to build back.
Ditto to doing something sustainable.8 -
Serenity0429 wrote: »So keto didn't work out for me at all. Right now I'm just tracking everything and I've lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks (probably mostly water weight) but it's been super helpful and it's not restricting me as much. My goals are 1200 Calories, 120-150g of carbs, 40g of fat, and 45g of sugar. Cutting out fast food, unnecessary sugars like soda, and working out 5 times a week has been my key to success I hope you find a good path!
What you are doing sounds like a perfect mix. I am thinking about stopping Keto because I hate the restrictions and dealing with eliminating a lot of foods, even healthy ones because of the very low carb number they say to stay around. In the past I did exactly like you and lost weight 1-2 lbs a week. I don't know why I started with the Keto because I lost weight in the past several times, just like now, but I could eat a lot more carbs like brown rice, wheat pasta and even healthy cereals etc, which was nice. I guess there is so much hype, that I thought I would give it a try.0 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
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dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Have you read the post linked in the response that you were responding to? It explains exactly what you are speculating about. Since you seem reluctant to go through the threads that have been linked here, which answer almost all of your questions, I've copied the text of that post regarding exercise calories here for you:
This is a pretty big debate that pops up continually on the main forums.
Should you, or should you not, eat back your exercise calories? The answer is: It depends.
Here are some background definitions before going into this:
BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF
Exercise calories, as they are typically used in MFP specifically, is represented by EAT in the above definition. Whether or not you should eat your EAT (giggity) depends on what system or method you are using to calculate your intake needs.
If you are using most other online calculation tools to determine an intake estimate, that estimate is going to already include EAT as part of the suggested intake. For example, it will ask you an activity factor that includes an average of your exercise, and with this it increases your TDEE to account for the fact that you are exercising.
If you are using MFP to tell you how much to eat, that estimate is NOT going to include EAT as part of the intake estimate.
Myfitnesspal uses a caloric estimation tool that expects you to eat back calories burned during exercise.
Consequently, MFP will essentially give you a LOWER intake estimate than an external TDEE calculator would give you.
In other words:
You tell MFP: I'd like to lose 1lb/week.
MFP says: Hey, you should eat X calories every day to lose 1lb/week.
You then decide to exercise and you burn 400 calories.
MFP says: Hey you pecker, you said you wanted to lose 1lb/week. Now you need to eat X+400 because you told me you wanted to lose 1lb/week.
So based on this:
If you are using MFP to tell you how many calories to eat, you should probably be eating back some portion of your exercise calories.
If you are using an external calculator and then customizing your intake to match that, you should not be eating back your exercise calories.
So again - YES MFP automatically adds calories to your total expected intake when you enter in an exercise duration. This is because MFP is set off of NEAT calories which do NOT include exercise estimates when calculating a target.
You may be fine now eating 1290 but that could change, especially if you adjust the macros you are focusing on. Not to mention that relying on hunger cues is not always a great indicator of whether a person needs more calories to support their activity.
And please, one more time, I implore you to go through and read the stickied posts here:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest10 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?0 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.2 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.
And that it doesn't really matter for anything anyway.
OP, sure, there are people who lost weight doing keto, doctors even. There are people who lost weight going vegan. There are people who lost weight calorie counting. There are people who lost weight eating "clean". There are people who lost weight just increasing exercise. You will find different people saying different carb levels are "correct" or "best" or make a certain diet keto or not, because they ALL can work. They all lost weight because they were in a calorie deficit, they found success with a diet that made it easiest for them to hit there calorie goal. That is literally all that really matters.6 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.
For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.
For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.
Or it might be a disgraced Chiropractor that uses "Dr" without explaining he isn't a medical Doctor ("Dr" Eric Berg). https://www.casewatch.net/board/chiro/berg.shtml
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dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.
And that it doesn't really matter for anything anyway.
OP, sure, there are people who lost weight doing keto, doctors even. There are people who lost weight going vegan. There are people who lost weight calorie counting. There are people who lost weight eating "clean". There are people who lost weight just increasing exercise. You will find different people saying different carb levels are "correct" or "best" or make a certain diet keto or not, because they ALL can work. They all lost weight because they were in a calorie deficit, they found success with a diet that made it easiest for them to hit there calorie goal. That is literally all that really matters.
This^^ In the absence of a diagnosed health condition, these rules become silly about exactly home much of this or that one should eat. It doesn't matter!! Find a way of eating that is sustainable and stay in a calorie deficit. End of story!2 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
I thought you said you had decided not to focus on keto you didn’t think the restriction was good for you. So what does it matter?8 -
If this helps at all I’ll share my experience.
I started exercising regularly about 9 months ago. Lost 15 pounds. I started tracking calories in MFP a month ago have lost 5 pounds. I just checked my carb history...it’s all over the place for the last 30 days. I still lost 5 lbs in a month while not paying attention in the slightest to my macros and eating what I want within my calorie allowance (more or less)
In other words, I eat Chick-fil-A and Panara for breakfast most work mornings and the occasional pasta dinner and I’m losing weight. (Obviously not the healthiest diet in the world...but screw it, it works in my life). I really have no idea what I am doing and am not advocating my ‘diet’ to anyone. But if your goal is to lose pounds I am a damn fine example of the fact that macros don’t matter all that much and overall calorie intake does.9 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Rather than trying to get carbs then hope you don't exceed your carb budget, try to get fat and protein without carbs. That's the whole point of keto, isn't it?
When I went into the Keto diet, I actually was mainly searching for fats and proteins and some other foods, but I was having issues with it all taking me over the carb amounts. It's like everything has carbs. I think my carbs were set way too low and that was my whole issue wth thring to reach my calories for the day. By the time I was almost about 300 calories shy of my daily intake, I was over my carb amount, but then I had my carbs at 14g. I know, crazy. I tried adding more fats in the form of things then actual foods, but that was to help with the calories without upping the carbs. I just think the Keto thing is not for me right now. I have done decent in weight loss in the past. Just balanced meals, portion control and of course exercise and it did work for me for a while. Keto just sounded exciting at first, but how I am feeling with 20 carbs or less is killing me. I have almost no energy to get up off the sofa.
When I started trying to do keto, and I've been dramatically unsuccessful at it, I knew that I needed to increase my salt intake during the first week. The book I had read, https://www.amazon.com/ANYWAY-YOU-CAN-Bosworth-BEGINNERS/dp/0999854232 recommended pink salt for the wide variety of minerals it delivers. The experience you describe of having no energy seems similar to the famous "keto flu" which is brought on by the loss of electrolytes as you release water through your kidneys from the burning of the glycogen stores in your body.
Which impurity is it in the pink salt they say helps? Is it one of the poisons like mercury, arsenic, lead, or thallium? Maybe it is one of the radioactive elements like radium, uranium, polonium, or plutonium?
No thanks. I prefer my salt pure.
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WinoGelato wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Have you read the post linked in the response that you were responding to? It explains exactly what you are speculating about. Since you seem reluctant to go through the threads that have been linked here, which answer almost all of your questions, I've copied the text of that post regarding exercise calories here for you:
This is a pretty big debate that pops up continually on the main forums.
Should you, or should you not, eat back your exercise calories? The answer is: It depends.
Here are some background definitions before going into this:
BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF
Exercise calories, as they are typically used in MFP specifically, is represented by EAT in the above definition. Whether or not you should eat your EAT (giggity) depends on what system or method you are using to calculate your intake needs.
If you are using most other online calculation tools to determine an intake estimate, that estimate is going to already include EAT as part of the suggested intake. For example, it will ask you an activity factor that includes an average of your exercise, and with this it increases your TDEE to account for the fact that you are exercising.
If you are using MFP to tell you how much to eat, that estimate is NOT going to include EAT as part of the intake estimate.
Myfitnesspal uses a caloric estimation tool that expects you to eat back calories burned during exercise.
Consequently, MFP will essentially give you a LOWER intake estimate than an external TDEE calculator would give you.
In other words:
You tell MFP: I'd like to lose 1lb/week.
MFP says: Hey, you should eat X calories every day to lose 1lb/week.
You then decide to exercise and you burn 400 calories.
MFP says: Hey you pecker, you said you wanted to lose 1lb/week. Now you need to eat X+400 because you told me you wanted to lose 1lb/week.
So based on this:
If you are using MFP to tell you how many calories to eat, you should probably be eating back some portion of your exercise calories.
If you are using an external calculator and then customizing your intake to match that, you should not be eating back your exercise calories.
So again - YES MFP automatically adds calories to your total expected intake when you enter in an exercise duration. This is because MFP is set off of NEAT calories which do NOT include exercise estimates when calculating a target.
You may be fine now eating 1290 but that could change, especially if you adjust the macros you are focusing on. Not to mention that relying on hunger cues is not always a great indicator of whether a person needs more calories to support their activity.
And please, one more time, I implore you to go through and read the stickied posts here:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest
Thanks so much for all your great feedback. I apologize for not getting back to some of my most recent posts. I had a death in the family, so I was away for a while with my family and was not able to dedicate much time to getting on my lap top. I have been rethinking what I have been doing with my Keto exercise and numbers lately. Everything you said does makes sense and helps with my Keto issues.1 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.
And that it doesn't really matter for anything anyway.
OP, sure, there are people who lost weight doing keto, doctors even. There are people who lost weight going vegan. There are people who lost weight calorie counting. There are people who lost weight eating "clean". There are people who lost weight just increasing exercise. You will find different people saying different carb levels are "correct" or "best" or make a certain diet keto or not, because they ALL can work. They all lost weight because they were in a calorie deficit, they found success with a diet that made it easiest for them to hit there calorie goal. That is literally all that really matters.
I do agree with your post.0 -
If I have the correct Dr. Oz on tv everyday, I have heard a lot about him so I don't actually watch him. I watched a Dr. Berg on many Youtube videos and he seems quite knowledgible from what I have been hearing about the Keto diet.kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.
For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.0 -
dmcforthewin wrote: »
If I have the correct Dr. Oz on tv everyday, I have heard a lot about him so I don't actually watch him.kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.
For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »dmcforthewin wrote: »zebasschick wrote: »if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.
if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.
I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.
What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.
I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).
Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.
I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.
You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me
Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.
If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.
Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
I thought you said you had decided not to focus on keto you didn’t think the restriction was good for you. So what does it matter?
Honestly, I keep going back and forth on what I want to do. I am just taking in all the different information people are sharing with me, as I try to figure it all out. I haven't been on Keto long, so to me it is still a learning thing for me, I guess.
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Lobsterboxtops wrote: »If this helps at all I’ll share my experience.
I started exercising regularly about 9 months ago. Lost 15 pounds. I started tracking calories in MFP a month ago have lost 5 pounds. I just checked my carb history...it’s all over the place for the last 30 days. I still lost 5 lbs in a month while not paying attention in the slightest to my macros and eating what I want within my calorie allowance (more or less)
In other words, I eat Chick-fil-A and Panara for breakfast most work mornings and the occasional pasta dinner and I’m losing weight. (Obviously not the healthiest diet in the world...but screw it, it works in my life). I really have no idea what I am doing and am not advocating my ‘diet’ to anyone. But if your goal is to lose pounds I am a damn fine example of the fact that macros don’t matter all that much and overall calorie intake does.
Thanks. I have been on the Keto for almost 3 weeks. I thought I may go off of it because I just couldn't figure out how and what to eat, so I would have a little bit of variety and not take in too many carbs. However the past couple days, it has been getting better, as I have been looking up different food options and experimenting. I'm getting there though.0 -
You’re trying to follow 2 diets at once. Low calorie AND Keto. They are different. Just choose one and stick to it for a couple of weeks and assess your progress.
You DONT calorie count on Keto because it is impossible as you are experiencing! Yup just restrict carb intake. That’s it. You eat about 40-50g carb a day. Everything else you eat is fat and protein. Irregardless of the calories.
We don’t use ‘net carbs’ in the UK so not sure re this1
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