Can u eat unlimited fat as long as u hit your calorie goal?
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MamboRumba wrote: »All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.
How dare you?! Cheese is a gift from God and proof he wants us to be happy.
Also "cellulite?" Did I get transported back to the 80s?6 -
MamboRumba wrote: »All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.
Not everyone has the same digestive issues.
And cellulite is at least partly genetic.
Salt is tasty. If no blood pressure issues, the salt in cheese will be fine. And only some cheese is salty, anyway (most, I grant you).7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »You can but it's advisable to eat a balanced diet.
For sure.... i'm just amazed that i can eat this much fatty animal protein (i.e. cheese and dark meat chicken) and still lose weight. I grew up believing one must limit their fat grams, but I am finding satiety with a higher protein/fat diet than with a high fiber/low fat diet and it's exciting. This one tweak has been life changing.
Yeah, dietary fat doesn't make you fat...consuming energy (calories) in excess of what your body requires results in body fat storage...ie stored energy.
That said, I have a lot of questions in regards to long term health eating tons of fat. I know keto blogs and resources say it's perfectly fine, but call me a skeptic. Dietary fat is definitely necessary for good health...but I really question whether eating a diet consisting of mostly fat and little else is healthy long term.
I agree 100% with this. I just can't wrap my head around so much fat and so little other things such as fibre and the variety of micronutrients and vitamins that you get from fresh fruits and vegetables can be good for you in the long term. Sure, you can always supplement, but why supplement when you could eat yummy things instead?8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just want to clarify... my total daily fat grams are under 70 g and usually much less than 60 g. I don't think i am gorging on fat, let alone animal fat. I don't eat mammals first of all, and my cheese choices are mostly low fat. My default has always been to eat too little protein, so upping my cheese, indulging in dark meat chicken and adding nuts some evenings has been a big deal for me.
In terms of other fats, my go-to is olive or sesame oil. Butter is a special treat.
Agree that it would be wise to get cholesterol checked after a few months of increasing animal fat in one's diet.
You say you don't eat mammals but what do you think chicken is?
I think chickens are animals that don't bear live young, don't produce milk for their young, and aren't warm-blooded. Why? What do you think chickens are?
Pretty sure chickens are warm-blooded.
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PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.5 -
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Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.2 -
Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?
Well, considering my old career it would be strange if I hadn’t.1 -
Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
yes, a joke. not everything i say is black and white. where is the eyeroll emoji when you need it on the desktop version of the forum?6 -
Hannahwalksfar wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?
Well, considering my old career it would be strange if I hadn’t.
They feel cool to the touch unlike birds or mammals.0 -
Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
I was "so triggered" by the cheese thing alone that I had to eat some habanero cheese curds, plus a hunk of apricot/almond-stuffed brie, on top of the (unsalted) mozzarella I had for dinner.
(JK: While I did eat these, it was because, y'know, I had the calories, my nutrition is checked off already, and cheese tastes good. ). 24 -
Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
I was "so triggered" by the cheese thing alone that I had to eat some habanero cheese curds, plus a hunk of apricot/almond-stuffed brie, on top of the (unsalted) mozzarella I had for dinner.
(JK: While I did eat these, it was because, y'know, I had the calories, my nutrition is checked off already, and cheese tastes good. ).
LOL!!!! Yes!!!! Times like these the "woo" button would have come in handy hahahahahahahaa4 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?
Well, considering my old career it would be strange if I hadn’t.
They feel cool to the touch unlike birds or mammals.
Have you ever felt their blood? I also feel cool to the touch. But they do call me cold-blooded so I may not be the best example.2 -
This is exactly why the Woo button was removed!!!! 🥳Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
I was "so triggered" by the cheese thing alone that I had to eat some habanero cheese curds, plus a hunk of apricot/almond-stuffed brie, on top of the (unsalted) mozzarella I had for dinner.
(JK: While I did eat these, it was because, y'know, I had the calories, my nutrition is checked off already, and cheese tastes good. ).Cahgetsfit wrote: »Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
I was "so triggered" by the cheese thing alone that I had to eat some habanero cheese curds, plus a hunk of apricot/almond-stuffed brie, on top of the (unsalted) mozzarella I had for dinner.
(JK: While I did eat these, it was because, y'know, I had the calories, my nutrition is checked off already, and cheese tastes good. ).
LOL!!!! Yes!!!! Times like these the "woo" button would have come in handy hahahahahahahaa
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where tf is my cellulite, i eat tons of cheese3
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just want to clarify... my total daily fat grams are under 70 g and usually much less than 60 g. I don't think i am gorging on fat, let alone animal fat. I don't eat mammals first of all, and my cheese choices are mostly low fat. My default has always been to eat too little protein, so upping my cheese, indulging in dark meat chicken and adding nuts some evenings has been a big deal for me.
In terms of other fats, my go-to is olive or sesame oil. Butter is a special treat.
Agree that it would be wise to get cholesterol checked after a few months of increasing animal fat in one's diet.
You say you don't eat mammals but what do you think chicken is?
I think chickens are animals that don't bear live young, don't produce milk for their young, and aren't warm-blooded. Why? What do you think chickens are?
OMG, I almost peed my pants I was laughing so hard. 😂
You guys are killing me here!3 -
Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
Now I'm thinking about that song with the lyrics: "you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals, let's do it like they do it on Discovery Channel."
Except "you know that chickens ain't nothing but mammals, let's woo it like they woo it on Discovery Channel."
Yes, that makes no sense.
And I totally can see reading mammals and thinking animals, even though one knows better. Weird brain fart thing. I'm sure the poster actually does know chickens aren't mammals.11 -
Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
Now I'm thinking about that song with the lyrics: "you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals, let's do it like they do it on Discovery Channel."
Except "you know that chickens ain't nothing but mammals, let's woo it like they woo it on Discovery Channel."
Yes, that makes no sense.
And I totally can see reading mammals and thinking animals, even though one knows better. Weird brain fart thing. I'm sure the poster actually does know chickens aren't mammals.
He wanted to post a woo-worthy statement to see what it was like not to get woo-ed for it.4 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just want to clarify... my total daily fat grams are under 70 g and usually much less than 60 g. I don't think i am gorging on fat, let alone animal fat. I don't eat mammals first of all, and my cheese choices are mostly low fat. My default has always been to eat too little protein, so upping my cheese, indulging in dark meat chicken and adding nuts some evenings has been a big deal for me.
In terms of other fats, my go-to is olive or sesame oil. Butter is a special treat.
Agree that it would be wise to get cholesterol checked after a few months of increasing animal fat in one's diet.
You say you don't eat mammals but what do you think chicken is?
I think chickens are animals that don't bear live young, don't produce milk for their young, and aren't warm-blooded. Why? What do you think chickens are?
Pretty sure chickens are warm-blooded.
That's a very good point.
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Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Well, I did say "I think."0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?
This is a very bad pick-up line.13 -
MamboRumba wrote: »
This is exactly why the Woo button was removed!!!! 🥳Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
I was "so triggered" by the cheese thing alone that I had to eat some habanero cheese curds, plus a hunk of apricot/almond-stuffed brie, on top of the (unsalted) mozzarella I had for dinner.
(JK: While I did eat these, it was because, y'know, I had the calories, my nutrition is checked off already, and cheese tastes good. ).Cahgetsfit wrote: »Between the cheese thing and the mammal thing and the cold-blooded poultry thing, is anyone missing "woo" yet?
I was "so triggered" by the cheese thing alone that I had to eat some habanero cheese curds, plus a hunk of apricot/almond-stuffed brie, on top of the (unsalted) mozzarella I had for dinner.
(JK: While I did eat these, it was because, y'know, I had the calories, my nutrition is checked off already, and cheese tastes good. ).
LOL!!!! Yes!!!! Times like these the "woo" button would have come in handy hahahahahahahaa
Unintended but obvious consequences.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?
This is a very bad pick-up line.
😂🤣😂🤣2 -
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For thousands of years, people have known that eating vegetables and other healthy stuff is good, and gorging on animal fat is bad. That was before they'd even discovered the "calorie".
I'm absolutely mystified how so many people could've suddenly jumped on the keto bandwagon and decided that a 70 % fat diet could possibly be good for you, and I'd hate to be one of the guinea pigs stuffing fat in my mouth all day and hoping that it all works out OK in the end. Because it probably won't.
Any cardiologist would say to take it easy on the animal / saturated fat. There's more going on with health than just weight loss, even if weight loss is for the moment the most important thing. By the time those other things become important, it'll be too late to fix them if you've spent your whole life eating a diet high in saturated fat. So be sensible - eat what you enjoy, in a balanced way.
I disagree with most of this. For starters, humans haven't known that "for thousands of years". For most of civilized human history, meat intake was limited not from a health perspective, but from a cost perspective. Besides a few elites, most humans for most of history were poor, and animal meat was an expensive delicacy that at best they could afford for special occasions and religious ceremonies. Humans tended to live high startch diets of wheat, potatoes, or rice. Obesity was only a concern for the rich. The must bigger risk was starving to death.
Nutriticion science has only really been a thing for the last century or so, and it's mostly been defined by how much we don't know, rather than how much we know. For instance, until recently we thought that eating fat made you fat and eating cholesterol gave you cholesterol. We now know that those things aren't true. We have some generally accepted health principles that are applicable for the majority of people, but we are also finding out that nutrition is more individualized that we thought. It's also an incredibly hard thing to study, which is why there are so many contradictory studies and advice out there.
It is generally accepted and supported by the evidence that for most people, eating more fruits and vegetables is a good thing, as is limiting animal fat. But we also don't know a whole lot about alternative ways of eating, and there aren't the facts to back up a lot of conclusions either way.
Take Keto for example. I am the farthest thing from a Ketoer (as I had rice for lunch and pasta for dinner), and I can understand, how intuitively, we could have some concerns about the high amount of fat eaten on these diets. But as of yet, there has been no well established evidence that people on Keto have worse health outcomes than others. We are somewhat limited in our study because of the relative newness of keto as a weight loss diet, but the study that has been done yet hasn't shown Keto to have the negative health outcomes that one might expect.
Overall, the biggest link to positive health outcomes is being at a healthy weight. The composition of your diet is a distant second. While I try to eat and generally preach a balanced diet, I don't think that we can condemn other ways of eating either.12 -
For thousands of years, people have known that eating vegetables and other healthy stuff is good, and gorging on animal fat is bad. That was before they'd even discovered the "calorie".
I'm absolutely mystified how so many people could've suddenly jumped on the keto bandwagon and decided that a 70 % fat diet could possibly be good for you, and I'd hate to be one of the guinea pigs stuffing fat in my mouth all day and hoping that it all works out OK in the end. Because it probably won't.
Any cardiologist would say to take it easy on the animal / saturated fat. There's more going on with health than just weight loss, even if weight loss is for the moment the most important thing. By the time those other things become important, it'll be too late to fix them if you've spent your whole life eating a diet high in saturated fat. So be sensible - eat what you enjoy, in a balanced way.
Not just your cardiologist, but your gastroenterologist too. Studies have shown a direct correlation between too much saturated fat (as well as cured meats like sausage, bacon, lunch eat, etc.) and colon cancer.
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Take Keto for example. I am the farthest thing from a Ketoer (as I had rice for lunch and pasta for dinner), and I can understand, how intuitively, we could have some concerns about the high amount of fat eaten on these diets. But as of yet, there has been no well established evidence that people on Keto have worse health outcomes than others. We are somewhat limited in our study because of the relative newness of keto as a weight loss diet, but the study that has been done yet hasn't shown Keto to have the negative health outcomes that one might expect.
I just have a bad feeling about this whole Keto thing -- people experimenting with their own bodies by putting them into "ketosis". What if it turns out in 10 years that putting yourself into ketosis is medically harmful, with irreversible damage? Or that eating a 70 % fat diet is as bad for you as intuition already tells us it is?
If it were impossible to lose weight any other way, then maybe I could get my head around this fad. But you lose weight just as fast by simply eating less and exercising more, with absolutely no health risk. Every day that you eat balanced, healthy meals in a calorie deficit, you are improving your health and life span with absolutely no downsides. The same cannot be said of Keto. At the most, one can say of Keto, "There is no proof yet that it's dangerous". That's a low standard.
I like keto food, by the way. I have no beef with keto food, so to speak. I have a problem with people trying to reengineer their metabolism through radical macro manipulation, because it seems very unwise.9 -
I’m also sceptical about the long term outcome for health of any heavily restrictive diet (although I’m a vegetarian, simply because I have never enjoyed meat, so I guess that’s a form of restriction).
Keto concerns me though, and there’s a simple reason why, for me...
Until the Keto diet emerged the only time I’d heard mention of ketones or ketosis was when I was in active labour. Midwives asked that you peed into a jug when you needed the bathroom so they could dip the urine to test for ketones. Ketones in the urine were a red flag to them that you were becoming too exhausted physically to continue to labour without intervention.
Put that against the Keto diet and it comes up all shades of dodgy in my mind! Even if it’s not!8 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Just want to clarify... my total daily fat grams are under 70 g and usually much less than 60 g. I don't think i am gorging on fat, let alone animal fat. I don't eat mammals first of all, and my cheese choices are mostly low fat. My default has always been to eat too little protein, so upping my cheese, indulging in dark meat chicken and adding nuts some evenings has been a big deal for me.
In terms of other fats, my go-to is olive or sesame oil. Butter is a special treat.
Agree that it would be wise to get cholesterol checked after a few months of increasing animal fat in one's diet.
You say you don't eat mammals but what do you think chicken is?
Birds are not mammals. Just so you know. LOL
OK. So I've learned something new today! I guess I shouldn't have cut high school science class to learn to play guitar.
Thanks for the correction! To you and the many others who pointed out my error. 10
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