Can u eat unlimited fat as long as u hit your calorie goal?
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psychod787 wrote: »Well.... yes you could. I was speaking to a researcher. They told me keto was pretty safe, but there is SOME question about insulin sensitivity issues long term. Jury is still out.
It seems unwise to adopt a diet for which the "jury is still out" when all you have to do is eat balanced meals and stay in a calorie deficit to lose weight.
I fear a lot of otherwise very sensible, smart people are putting themselves in harm's way for nothing. The human body was not designed to live off 70 % fat.
Well, we dont have much long term data on the effects of keto on humans. We do in rats. Rats do fine, B@stards stay lean as weasels. Problem is, rats dont develop the same coronary issues as humans. As far as the human body not designed for 70% fat? Humans are more like a flex fuel car, we can run on anything as long as calories are equated. Optimally, maybe not.0 -
psychod787 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Well.... yes you could. I was speaking to a researcher. They told me keto was pretty safe, but there is SOME question about insulin sensitivity issues long term. Jury is still out.
It seems unwise to adopt a diet for which the "jury is still out" when all you have to do is eat balanced meals and stay in a calorie deficit to lose weight.
I fear a lot of otherwise very sensible, smart people are putting themselves in harm's way for nothing. The human body was not designed to live off 70 % fat.
Well, we dont have much long term data on the effects of keto on humans. We do in rats. Rats do fine, B@stards stay lean as weasels. Problem is, rats dont develop the same coronary issues as humans. As far as the human body not designed for 70% fat? Humans are more like a flex fuel car, we can run on anything as long as calories are equated. Optimally, maybe not.
And to add, rats don't live nearly as long as humans do.3 -
Yes but make sure you still get your proper nutrients as best you can.3
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L1zardQueen wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Well.... yes you could. I was speaking to a researcher. They told me keto was pretty safe, but there is SOME question about insulin sensitivity issues long term. Jury is still out.
It seems unwise to adopt a diet for which the "jury is still out" when all you have to do is eat balanced meals and stay in a calorie deficit to lose weight.
I fear a lot of otherwise very sensible, smart people are putting themselves in harm's way for nothing. The human body was not designed to live off 70 % fat.
Well, we dont have much long term data on the effects of keto on humans. We do in rats. Rats do fine, B@stards stay lean as weasels. Problem is, rats dont develop the same coronary issues as humans. As far as the human body not designed for 70% fat? Humans are more like a flex fuel car, we can run on anything as long as calories are equated. Optimally, maybe not.
And to add, rats don't live nearly as long as humans do.
True, but people have a "thing" about clinical testing on higher level primates. I personally don't get it. 🤷♂️ Then again, I am evil. Soooo... welll.. yeah0 -
Just want to clarify... my total daily fat grams are under 70 g and usually much less than 60 g. I don't think i am gorging on fat, let alone animal fat. I don't eat mammals first of all, and my cheese choices are mostly low fat. My default has always been to eat too little protein, so upping my cheese, indulging in dark meat chicken and adding nuts some evenings has been a big deal for me.
In terms of other fats, my go-to is olive or sesame oil. Butter is a special treat.
Agree that it would be wise to get cholesterol checked after a few months of increasing animal fat in one's diet.
You say you don't eat mammals but what do you think chicken is?
I think chickens are animals that don't bear live young, don't produce milk for their young, and aren't warm-blooded. Why? What do you think chickens are?5 -
All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.3
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MamboRumba wrote: »All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.
Do you know what cellulite is?11 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »MamboRumba wrote: »All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.
Do you know what cellulite is?
A mammal
And lighten up people it was a simple mistake.18 -
So we’ve concluded that chicken is cheese and cellulite is a mammal. I’m glad this thread exists.26
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MamboRumba wrote: »All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.
How dare you?! Cheese is a gift from God and proof he wants us to be happy.
Also "cellulite?" Did I get transported back to the 80s?6 -
MamboRumba wrote: »All that cheese is gonna cause constipation! Cheese is salty, too. You are gonna get cellulite.
Not everyone has the same digestive issues.
And cellulite is at least partly genetic.
Salt is tasty. If no blood pressure issues, the salt in cheese will be fine. And only some cheese is salty, anyway (most, I grant you).7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »You can but it's advisable to eat a balanced diet.
For sure.... i'm just amazed that i can eat this much fatty animal protein (i.e. cheese and dark meat chicken) and still lose weight. I grew up believing one must limit their fat grams, but I am finding satiety with a higher protein/fat diet than with a high fiber/low fat diet and it's exciting. This one tweak has been life changing.
Yeah, dietary fat doesn't make you fat...consuming energy (calories) in excess of what your body requires results in body fat storage...ie stored energy.
That said, I have a lot of questions in regards to long term health eating tons of fat. I know keto blogs and resources say it's perfectly fine, but call me a skeptic. Dietary fat is definitely necessary for good health...but I really question whether eating a diet consisting of mostly fat and little else is healthy long term.
I agree 100% with this. I just can't wrap my head around so much fat and so little other things such as fibre and the variety of micronutrients and vitamins that you get from fresh fruits and vegetables can be good for you in the long term. Sure, you can always supplement, but why supplement when you could eat yummy things instead?8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just want to clarify... my total daily fat grams are under 70 g and usually much less than 60 g. I don't think i am gorging on fat, let alone animal fat. I don't eat mammals first of all, and my cheese choices are mostly low fat. My default has always been to eat too little protein, so upping my cheese, indulging in dark meat chicken and adding nuts some evenings has been a big deal for me.
In terms of other fats, my go-to is olive or sesame oil. Butter is a special treat.
Agree that it would be wise to get cholesterol checked after a few months of increasing animal fat in one's diet.
You say you don't eat mammals but what do you think chicken is?
I think chickens are animals that don't bear live young, don't produce milk for their young, and aren't warm-blooded. Why? What do you think chickens are?
Pretty sure chickens are warm-blooded.
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PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.5 -
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Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.2 -
Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?0 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
Have you ever held a reptile?
Well, considering my old career it would be strange if I hadn’t.1 -
Hannahwalksfar wrote: »Cahgetsfit wrote: »PS - a chicken is a fowl - neither a mammal nor a reptile.
However, it does have warm blood. I know, I've killed them before. The blood is very warm.
Blood being warm isn’t synonymous with being warm-blooded. I assume you’re joking. Endothermic versus ectothermic.
yes, a joke. not everything i say is black and white. where is the eyeroll emoji when you need it on the desktop version of the forum?6
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