Really frustrated - Please Help

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  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1
  • MelanieCN77
    MelanieCN77 Posts: 4,047 Member
    edited August 2019
    To expand on my earlier comment - this entry right here in guided setup is possibly responsible for a lot of confusion:

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    I could put that I intend to exercise every minute of every day and it still wouldn't change the calorie allowance it gave me, while the "activity level" choice does.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away.... Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week.

    I cut some of your post to the parts that do need addressing.

    Stick to your calorie goal and don't fret the macros. Carb paranoia is unhelpful. Carbs do not make you gain weight more than any other type of food. They just don't.

    MFP cannot give you calories for walking for 60 mins in its base allowance unless you prelogged your exercise. The exercise goal it has you enter does NOTHING for your calorie total, I almost feel like they should take it out of the guided setup, it's like a wish or something. So if you have 1290 as your basic allowance for your correct lifestyle (ie. sedentary/lightly active/whatever) you should add calories on top of that if you walk for an hour. Your deficit is already in the 1290, you'd just be making it bigger in a not necessarily healthy way by walking and not adding those cals back to your total available to eat.

    I just realized that about the exercise when I logged in my first exercise for the day at night, AFTER I ate for the day. I was about to close my food entry and it bumped me up to 1600+ from 1290 calories. Then I was like great. It's bed time and I still have at least 300 calories to eat before it will let me close for the day. I went and took out my exercise for that day.

    To be honest with me personally, 1290 of calories really makes me full at each meal. At this point, I'm ok for now, but I may raise it in the future. I am going to see over the next few weeks if I keep a steady 1-2 lbs off and no more each week. I don't want to lose more then that.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    nutmegoreo wrote: »
    Rather than trying to get carbs then hope you don't exceed your carb budget, try to get fat and protein without carbs. That's the whole point of keto, isn't it?

    When I went into the Keto diet, I actually was mainly searching for fats and proteins and some other foods, but I was having issues with it all taking me over the carb amounts. It's like everything has carbs. I think my carbs were set way too low and that was my whole issue wth thring to reach my calories for the day. By the time I was almost about 300 calories shy of my daily intake, I was over my carb amount, but then I had my carbs at 14g. I know, crazy. I tried adding more fats in the form of things then actual foods, but that was to help with the calories without upping the carbs. I just think the Keto thing is not for me right now. I have done decent in weight loss in the past. Just balanced meals, portion control and of course exercise and it did work for me for a while. Keto just sounded exciting at first, but how I am feeling with 20 carbs or less is killing me. I have almost no energy to get up off the sofa.

    When I started trying to do keto, and I've been dramatically unsuccessful at it, I knew that I needed to increase my salt intake during the first week. The book I had read, https://www.amazon.com/ANYWAY-YOU-CAN-Bosworth-BEGINNERS/dp/0999854232 recommended pink salt for the wide variety of minerals it delivers. The experience you describe of having no energy seems similar to the famous "keto flu" which is brought on by the loss of electrolytes as you release water through your kidneys from the burning of the glycogen stores in your body.

    Nope. It can actually be harmful.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/pink-himalayan-sea-salt-an-update/

    Wow!
    By my count, only about a quarter of the minerals in Himalayan pink salt are nutrients that the human body can or might be able to use. The other three quarters are not recognized nutrients and would be better classified as contaminants. They have no known health benefits, and many of them are known to be harmful. The list includes many poisons like mercury, arsenic, lead, and thallium. It includes radioactive elements: radium, uranium, polonium, plutonium, and many others. Radiation causes cancer, and even tiny amounts are potentially harmful

    Well, I just started using the pink salt, but I may now scrap that idea. That sounds pretty bad. I feel like everytime you turn around something that someone proclaims is heathy, someone else says it isn't (professionals I mean). You never know what to believe. I don't like what's in that article, so I will probably switch to be on the safe side. T

    Wading through information can be challenging. Way too many people out there trying to make money, they unfortunately can look pretty legitimate. I like the sciencebasedmedicine site, and examine.com for supplements.

    Thanks! I will take a look.
  • Serenity0429
    Serenity0429 Posts: 5 Member
    So keto didn't work out for me at all. Right now I'm just tracking everything and I've lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks (probably mostly water weight) but it's been super helpful and it's not restricting me as much. My goals are 1200 Calories, 120-150g of carbs, 40g of fat, and 45g of sugar. Cutting out fast food, unnecessary sugars like soda, and working out 5 times a week has been my key to success :) I hope you find a good path!
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.
  • Serenity0429
    Serenity0429 Posts: 5 Member
    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.[/quote]

    I'm pretty sure MFP readjusts your calories so that you're still eating your calorie intake even after burning those calories off. I typically don't go super over it, but it gives you that space to eat an extra few calories based off how much you burned.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    I'm pretty sure MFP readjusts your calories so that you're still eating your calorie intake even after burning those calories off. I typically don't go super over it, but it gives you that space to eat an extra few calories based off how much you burned.
    [/quote]

    Oh, ok.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    So keto didn't work out for me at all. Right now I'm just tracking everything and I've lost 4 lbs in 2 weeks (probably mostly water weight) but it's been super helpful and it's not restricting me as much. My goals are 1200 Calories, 120-150g of carbs, 40g of fat, and 45g of sugar. Cutting out fast food, unnecessary sugars like soda, and working out 5 times a week has been my key to success :) I hope you find a good path!

    What you are doing sounds like a perfect mix. I am thinking about stopping Keto because I hate the restrictions and dealing with eliminating a lot of foods, even healthy ones because of the very low carb number they say to stay around. In the past I did exactly like you and lost weight 1-2 lbs a week. I don't know why I started with the Keto because I lost weight in the past several times, just like now, but I could eat a lot more carbs like brown rice, wheat pasta and even healthy cereals etc, which was nice. I guess there is so much hype, that I thought I would give it a try.
  • try2again
    try2again Posts: 3,562 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?
  • try2again
    try2again Posts: 3,562 Member
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.

    For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.

    For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.

    Or it might be a disgraced Chiropractor that uses "Dr" without explaining he isn't a medical Doctor ("Dr" Eric Berg). https://www.casewatch.net/board/chiro/berg.shtml

  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.

    And that it doesn't really matter for anything anyway.

    OP, sure, there are people who lost weight doing keto, doctors even. There are people who lost weight going vegan. There are people who lost weight calorie counting. There are people who lost weight eating "clean". There are people who lost weight just increasing exercise. You will find different people saying different carb levels are "correct" or "best" or make a certain diet keto or not, because they ALL can work. They all lost weight because they were in a calorie deficit, they found success with a diet that made it easiest for them to hit there calorie goal. That is literally all that really matters.

    This^^ In the absence of a diagnosed health condition, these rules become silly about exactly home much of this or that one should eat. It doesn't matter!! Find a way of eating that is sustainable and stay in a calorie deficit. End of story!
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Have you read the post linked in the response that you were responding to? It explains exactly what you are speculating about. Since you seem reluctant to go through the threads that have been linked here, which answer almost all of your questions, I've copied the text of that post regarding exercise calories here for you:

    This is a pretty big debate that pops up continually on the main forums.

    Should you, or should you not, eat back your exercise calories? The answer is: It depends.

    Here are some background definitions before going into this:

    BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
    EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
    NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
    TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
    TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF


    Exercise calories, as they are typically used in MFP specifically, is represented by EAT in the above definition. Whether or not you should eat your EAT (giggity) depends on what system or method you are using to calculate your intake needs.

    If you are using most other online calculation tools to determine an intake estimate, that estimate is going to already include EAT as part of the suggested intake. For example, it will ask you an activity factor that includes an average of your exercise, and with this it increases your TDEE to account for the fact that you are exercising.

    If you are using MFP to tell you how much to eat, that estimate is NOT going to include EAT as part of the intake estimate.

    Myfitnesspal uses a caloric estimation tool that expects you to eat back calories burned during exercise.

    Consequently, MFP will essentially give you a LOWER intake estimate than an external TDEE calculator would give you.


    In other words:

    You tell MFP: I'd like to lose 1lb/week.

    MFP says: Hey, you should eat X calories every day to lose 1lb/week.

    You then decide to exercise and you burn 400 calories.

    MFP says: Hey you pecker, you said you wanted to lose 1lb/week. Now you need to eat X+400 because you told me you wanted to lose 1lb/week.


    So based on this:

    If you are using MFP to tell you how many calories to eat, you should probably be eating back some portion of your exercise calories.

    If you are using an external calculator and then customizing your intake to match that, you should not be eating back your exercise calories.



    So again - YES MFP automatically adds calories to your total expected intake when you enter in an exercise duration. This is because MFP is set off of NEAT calories which do NOT include exercise estimates when calculating a target.

    You may be fine now eating 1290 but that could change, especially if you adjust the macros you are focusing on. Not to mention that relying on hunger cues is not always a great indicator of whether a person needs more calories to support their activity.

    And please, one more time, I implore you to go through and read the stickied posts here:
    https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest

    Thanks so much for all your great feedback. I apologize for not getting back to some of my most recent posts. I had a death in the family, so I was away for a while with my family and was not able to dedicate much time to getting on my lap top. I have been rethinking what I have been doing with my Keto exercise and numbers lately. Everything you said does makes sense and helps with my Keto issues.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    I will defer to others with more knowledge about keto, but several comments on this thread have indicated that 50 g of carbs is generally acceptable.

    And that it doesn't really matter for anything anyway.

    OP, sure, there are people who lost weight doing keto, doctors even. There are people who lost weight going vegan. There are people who lost weight calorie counting. There are people who lost weight eating "clean". There are people who lost weight just increasing exercise. You will find different people saying different carb levels are "correct" or "best" or make a certain diet keto or not, because they ALL can work. They all lost weight because they were in a calorie deficit, they found success with a diet that made it easiest for them to hit there calorie goal. That is literally all that really matters.

    I do agree with your post.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.

    For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.
    If I have the correct Dr. Oz on tv everyday, I have heard a lot about him so I don't actually watch him. I watched a Dr. Berg on many Youtube videos and he seems quite knowledgible from what I have been hearing about the Keto diet.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    Yes, 50 g carbs is still keto-level carbs. You may have misunderstood the doctor on youtube, or he may not have been a good source of information.

    For example, Mehmet Oz has a "Dr." in front of his name, and he is not a credible source of information.
    If I have the correct Dr. Oz on tv everyday, I have heard a lot about him so I don't actually watch him.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    try2again wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    if you go to keto boards, you'll see people who swear keto is the best and most effective. if you go to paleo boards, you'll find people who swear that paleo is the most effective. vegetarian boards? people there say that going veggie is the most effective. go to weight watcher boards and the people there say weight watcher is the most effective.

    if you lose weight as fast as you're trying to with such lower calories, you will burn muscle, not just fat, leaving you weaker than you were and possibly unhealthy.

    I apologize, I may not have seen your post until now. I do feel so weak right now. I am actually going off Keto because I can't handle the low carb thing. I agree with your thoughts on everyone having the same opinion on their chosen weight loss diet choice.

    What are you changing your carbs to? You said 48 on the previous page, but that is still keto-level low carbs.

    I'm not trying to convince you to stay on keto, but if you haven't been eating back your exercise calories, you've been drastically undereating, and that would play a large role in why you don't feel well.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    I did change to 48 carbs. I guess I am paranoid to add too much carbs right away. I'm basically going to add more as I watch my weight. I haven't added pounds, only have went down, which I know is a lot of water weight and some fat, I'm assuming (two weeks so far).

    Wouldn't eating back my calories burned through exercise defeat the purpose of a calorie deficit. I may not fully understanding probably. MFP gave me a 1290 calorie, walking 6 days 60 min and losing 2 lbs a week. I'm sorry I am just confusing myself and probably my rambling is you too.

    I also was a carb fean before going Keto and since I originally dropped to below 20, I have been feeling bad for two weeks now. I think upping it to maybe 48 or 50 will help some. I only just upped it to 48 last night, so haven't had a chance to see if it makes a difference.

    You ARE confused about how MFP + exercise works, but this is common, so you are not confusing me :)

    Please reread this, and if it doesn't help, let us know, and someone will come along and restate it or post a link to the video explanation.

    If you use MFP to set your calorie goal, exercise, but don't eat back any exercise calories, you are not using MFP the way it was designed.

    Unlike other sites which use TDEE calculators, MFP uses the NEAT method (Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis), and as such this system is designed for exercise calories to be eaten back. However, many consider the burns given by MFP to be inflated for them and only eat a percentage, such as 50%, back. Others, however, are able to lose weight while eating 100% of their exercise calories.

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/818082/exercise-calories-again-wtf/p1

    Maybe I need to experiment. The thing with me is that I am pretty content with the amount of foods I eat at 1290 calories and my strenght is coming back, but I may play around with how much exercise calories I eat back. Can I still use MFP in anyway doing that. It seems to set my calories higher automatically, after I add my exercise in. Last night I ate my max calories, then when I went to put in my exercise for the day, it raised my calories automatically in my food diary over 300 more. I was about to go to bed and I was done eating for the day. I was like, great so I deleted the exercise part, so I could close my food diary entry for the day.

    Be mindful that if you choose to go off keto, your level of satiety on 1290 calories may change, as fat & protein tends to keep some people feeling quite full. It will probably take a while to figure out what ratio of carbs, fat, & protein works best for you, and you may end up really needing those exercise calories. It's no big deal if you don't use them on that particular day, and many people use them as a buffer for a treat later in the week. And BTW, closing your diary means nothing. It won't generate a post on your news feed, but it still tracks what you have done.

    If I keep my carbs at 50, will I still be considered Keto? I can handle 50 and the rest higher fats and lower proteins in some amount. I was doing under 20 carbs. I hear conflicting news on carb amounts. I thought I heard a doctor on You-Tube say, when you start Keto, do no more then 20 carbs or less. After your body has switched over, do no more then 50. Somone on the Ketogenic forumn said they do 50 carbs and are losing weight. They said they are on Keto. What do you think?

    I thought you said you had decided not to focus on keto you didn’t think the restriction was good for you. So what does it matter?

    Honestly, I keep going back and forth on what I want to do. I am just taking in all the different information people are sharing with me, as I try to figure it all out. I haven't been on Keto long, so to me it is still a learning thing for me, I guess.
  • dmcforthewin
    dmcforthewin Posts: 135 Member
    If this helps at all I’ll share my experience.

    I started exercising regularly about 9 months ago. Lost 15 pounds. I started tracking calories in MFP a month ago have lost 5 pounds. I just checked my carb history...it’s all over the place for the last 30 days. I still lost 5 lbs in a month while not paying attention in the slightest to my macros and eating what I want within my calorie allowance (more or less)

    In other words, I eat Chick-fil-A and Panara for breakfast most work mornings and the occasional pasta dinner and I’m losing weight. (Obviously not the healthiest diet in the world...but screw it, it works in my life). I really have no idea what I am doing and am not advocating my ‘diet’ to anyone. But if your goal is to lose pounds I am a damn fine example of the fact that macros don’t matter all that much and overall calorie intake does.


    Thanks. I have been on the Keto for almost 3 weeks. I thought I may go off of it because I just couldn't figure out how and what to eat, so I would have a little bit of variety and not take in too many carbs. However the past couple days, it has been getting better, as I have been looking up different food options and experimenting. I'm getting there though.
  • You’re trying to follow 2 diets at once. Low calorie AND Keto. They are different. Just choose one and stick to it for a couple of weeks and assess your progress.

    You DONT calorie count on Keto because it is impossible as you are experiencing! Yup just restrict carb intake. That’s it. You eat about 40-50g carb a day. Everything else you eat is fat and protein. Irregardless of the calories.

    We don’t use ‘net carbs’ in the UK so not sure re this