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Please help with this argument- Intermittent fasting related

raven56706raven56706 Posts: 903Member, Premium Member Posts: 903Member, Premium Member
On my friends side, he says Intermittent Fasting has tons of benefits and doesnt't have to be done with Keto.

I have said " if it doesnt have anything to do with Keto, why fast? just stick to the calories and thats it."

i mean correct me if i am wrong (i checked google and forget it. tons of "experts" ) but IF is just a way to restrict your calories thats it. say you eat 1800 calories a day for weight loss. if you eat 200 calories at lets say 8am, then you have the ENTIRE day to eat 1600. You don't have to wait but just be mindful of your eating.

What i am trying to say is there is no magic to it correct?


  • StaciMarie2020StaciMarie2020 Posts: 68Member Member Posts: 68Member Member
    It works for some people to limit WHEN they eat. There may or may not be other health benefits. I have a cousin who swears by it, and after a couple of weeks w/ a 5 hour eating window her blood sugars and a bunch of other #s have improved and her doc has reduced some of her medication levels.

    But I have no interest - simple calorie counting works well for me.
  • NovusDiesNovusDies Posts: 5,977Member, Premium Member Posts: 5,977Member, Premium Member
    heybales wrote: »
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    For weight loss IF is just another way to manage calories. There is growing research though around additional health benefits of this way of eating not related specifically to weight.

    Did you read this paragraph in the blog you linked to:

    'There’s a ton of incredibly promising intermittent fasting (IF) research done on fat rats. They lose weight, their blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugars improve… but they’re rats. Studies in humans, almost across the board, have shown that IF is safe and incredibly effective, but really no more effective than any other diet. In addition, many people find it difficult to fast.'

    When they start reproducing the results in humans, I will start paying attention to the 'magic' of IF.

    I read the entire thing. There is more research being done in humans now as also stated in the article. Did you read it? In addition to the benefits regarding insulin there have also been noted improvements in blood pressure - even for those with no weight change. While more research is needed this is promising.

    The studies are still being conducted and we will learn more. I believe we should all be excited to learn new things as they are discovered. Don’t you?

    I personally gave up IF because it does not work for me with my training schedule and I personally experienced no health benefits outside of easily maintaining my deficit. I won’t disregard the research happening and potential benefits being explored because of my own experience though.

    You should go back and re-read the last cited paper at the end of the blog - you know, the one that basically says that the only results that have been duplicated in humans can all be attributed to weight loss and not specifically to IF...

    Hold on now - did you read that link?

    "We demonstrate for the first time in humans that eTRF improves some aspects of cardiometabolic health and that IF’s effects are not solely due to weight loss."

    You totally read that wrong - since your statement is *kitten*-backwards of what they say.

    Really... (from the last link):

    'However, it was unknown whether these benefits are solely due to weight loss. Many have speculated that IF improves cardiometabolic health more than conventional dieting, even when matched for weight loss. Indeed, data in rodents suggest that IF improves cardiometabolic endpoints even when food intake and/or body weight is matched to the control group (Anson et al., 2003, Belkacemi et al., 2012, Hatori et al., 2012, Olsen et al., 2017, Sherman et al., 2012, Woodie et al., 2017, Wu et al., 2011, Zarrinpar et al., 2014). However, preliminary evidence in humans suggests that the benefits of IF are due mostly or only to weight loss (Halberg et al., 2005, Harvie et al., 2011, Soeters et al., 2009, Trepanowski et al., 2017b). Initially, a single-arm, 2-week trial reported that IF improves insulin sensitivity even when participants are approximately weight stable (Halberg et al., 2005), but the study was uncontrolled. Later, two better controlled, randomized crossover trials reported that IF did not improve glucose or lipid metabolism (Carlson et al., 2007, Soeters et al., 2009, Stote et al., 2007). More recently, the longest IF study in humans reported that adults who practiced ADMF for 1 year were not any healthier than conventional dieters who lost a similar amount of weight, yet they had a higher attrition rate (Trepanowski et al., 2017b).'

    Ok - so they are commenting on other studies.

    Did you actually read the study YOU linked?

    "During the intervention phases, participants were required to eat only food provided by study staff, were fed enough food to maintain their weight, and ate all meals while being monitored by study staff. Furthermore, food intake was matched on a meal-by-meal basis across the two arms to eliminate any confounding effects from differences in food intake or meal frequency. "

    As the article starts out with - they did NOT lose weight.

    It is still only relevant to people with insulin resistance. Since IR can cause hypertension it is no surprise that blood pressure might also improve regardless of weight loss.

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