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Jillian Michael comments about Lizzo
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She was specifically asked about Lizzo in an interview. She didn’t just bring her up out of the blue.
The comment:
"I love her music, yeah, 100%. Don't know anything about her. I'm sure she's a cool, awesome chick," Michaels said. "But why are we celebrating her body? Why does it matter? That's what I'm saying. Why aren't we celebrating her music?
"Because," the trainer and life coach said, "it isn't going to be awesome if she gets diabetes."
"I love her music. My kid loves her music. But there's never a moment where I'm like, 'And I'm so glad that she's overweight.' Why do I even care? Why is it my job to care about her weight?," Michaels said.
Edit: I had to look up Lizzo. Very big girl - singer, wears super skimpy outfits on stage.20 -
I've never seen a picture. Her music isn't for me.4
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She was a fitness coach/trainer for the show ‘ the biggest loser’....I’m not really surprised she’s not sugar coating anything. With Lizzo, I feel like people are obsesssed with her body and not so much her music, at this point it just seems weird and pretentious. I don’t see anything wrong with what she said btw.
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NorthCascades wrote: »I've never seen a picture. Her music isn't for me.
Several comments:- Never heard of Lizzo before
- Looked at a couple vidoes, not a fan of her music, just me
- We are in a sad state of affairs when anyone cares what Jillian Michaels thinks
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Jillian isn't wrong. 🤷🏼♀️52
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Never heard of her, but Jillian is spot on about her obesity. What is so bad about THE TRUTH?37
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jseams1234 wrote: »She was specifically asked about Lizzo in an interview. She didn’t just bring her up out of the blue.
The comment:
"I love her music, yeah, 100%. Don't know anything about her. I'm sure she's a cool, awesome chick," Michaels said. "But why are we celebrating her body? Why does it matter? That's what I'm saying. Why aren't we celebrating her music?
"Because," the trainer and life coach said, "it isn't going to be awesome if she gets diabetes."
"I love her music. My kid loves her music. But there's never a moment where I'm like, 'And I'm so glad that she's overweight.' Why do I even care? Why is it my job to care about her weight?," Michaels said.
Edit: I had to look up Lizzo. Very big girl - singer, wears super skimpy outfits on stage.
This - shocking - the press have taken comments out of context to get a clickbait headline to get some ad revenue - who knew?!
Form an orderly queue of people who haven't read/watched the full interview and get offended on behalf of someone else.
I too have never heard of this singer but would probably say the same of any overweight/obese singer - they are famous for their music, not their body shape/size so that's what I'd judge them on and these days I listen to most stuff through Spotify and have no idea what they look like.
Edited to add - the opinion on this particular singers weight seems to be more of an issue for the interviewer than Jillian Michael's14 -
Never heard of her, but Jullian isn't wrong. If I were that singer I wouldn't want my body to be the central topic, even if in a positive way, I would want my music to be.
I think it's an understandable reaction that some people are enamored with the ability of some larger folks to just wear whatever they want. It was a taboo in the past and we expected large people to dress a certain way, so anything that deviates from that is "brave", "confident", "body positive"...etc.
I personally can't wait for the novelty to wear off. I think it's normal for people to dress the way they want, I think obesity increases the risk for certain illnesses, I think it's okay to choose to be fat if you're aware of the risks and making an informed choice, I think some people do want to get thinner but haven't found a sustainable way to control their calories, and I don't think any of these beliefs are mutually exclusive. Supporting a fat person's right to exist the way they see fit is not "glamorizing obesity", and acknowledging the health risks is not "fat shaming".44 -
My only comment here is Lizzo's on her way up, Jillian's on her way down. It's whatever.25
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She could have left it as "Why do we care?" instead of "It won't be awesome if she gets diabetes".
Health judgments/assumptions don't belong.21 -
I think it was inappropriate, really, for the interviewer to bring it up at all. Of course, fitness celebrity and workout-video business woman will bring up obesity in America. It's her deal. I feel like interviews like this are nothing but tricks to pit more and more people against one another, celebrity and otherwise. Not gonna lie, Lizzo's music is catchy and I get the songs stuck in my head all the time. And like Jillian, I don't care about her weight. It's not my place to determine anything about her, only if I like her music.22
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Well, Jillian isn't wrong. I don't have any negative opinions about what she said. She probably should have left out any comments at all about her health, and left it at "I like her music. Why should I care about her body?" She didn't need to say anything about obesity causing diabetes or anything like that. Her response to the backlash was appropriate I think, though.
It sucks that as an overweight woman, Lizzo is automatically put on this "body positive" pedestal whereas she should just be popular because people like her music and she's high energy and fun.18 -
I guess I feel like it's really rude to take someone who is just living their life and doing their job and treating them like they're asking to always be some conversation piece about obesity and health.
When we're talking about real individuals with feelings, there's more than just being "right." It's whether or not it is necessary to treat them like they're nothing more than an object lesson for the rest of us.
There are overweight/obese people who are interested in having this conversation, but I don't remember Lizzo ever asking to be part of it which is why I am just struck by the rudeness of Michaels doing this. What's wrong with "Yeah, my kids and I really like her music." Given Michaels' profession and history, nobody is reasonably going to think that she now wants people to be obese just because she admits she sometimes listens to Lizzo.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »I guess I feel like it's really rude to take someone who is just living their life and doing their job and treating them like they're asking to always be some conversation piece about obesity and health.
When we're talking about real individuals with feelings, there's more than just being "right." It's whether or not it is necessary to treat them like they're nothing more than an object lesson for the rest of us.
There are overweight/obese people who are interested in having this conversation, but I don't remember Lizzo ever asking to be part of it which is why I am just struck by the rudeness of Michaels doing this. What's wrong with "Yeah, my kids and I really like her music." Given Michaels' profession and history, nobody is reasonably going to think that she now wants people to be obese just because she admits she sometimes listens to Lizzo.
to be fair though I'm pretty sure the interviewer wasn't interested in Jillian's taste in music, and the question was part of a larger conversation about health. I think if anyone should be called out for rudeness it would be the interviewer for bringing Lizzo into it.26 -
extra_medium wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »I guess I feel like it's really rude to take someone who is just living their life and doing their job and treating them like they're asking to always be some conversation piece about obesity and health.
When we're talking about real individuals with feelings, there's more than just being "right." It's whether or not it is necessary to treat them like they're nothing more than an object lesson for the rest of us.
There are overweight/obese people who are interested in having this conversation, but I don't remember Lizzo ever asking to be part of it which is why I am just struck by the rudeness of Michaels doing this. What's wrong with "Yeah, my kids and I really like her music." Given Michaels' profession and history, nobody is reasonably going to think that she now wants people to be obese just because she admits she sometimes listens to Lizzo.
to be fair though I'm pretty sure the interviewer wasn't interested in Jillian's taste in music, and the question was part of a larger conversation about health. I think if anyone should be called out for rudeness it would be the interviewer for bringing Lizzo into it.
If someone asks me a question designed to solicit rude commentary, I can either engage with it and be rude or I can choose another path. I'm not sure exactly what the interviewer asked, but I think Michaels is responsible for what she chooses to say.16 -
This is all so very touchy. JM is blunt and in your face. Has that ever changed anything for anyone? Our relatives can be some our harshest critics and all of their brutally, blunt harsh criticism or even calling ourselves names is all counterproductive to our overall health and well being. Apparently, her style didn't stick because those she coached on the BL didn't have lasting results from brutally strict in-your-face hard talk. They didn't find permanent weight stability. Being completely oblivious to the feelings of others doesn't motivate or inspire others to fit your mold and biased way of thinking about everything.5
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janejellyroll wrote: »I guess I feel like it's really rude to take someone who is just living their life and doing their job and treating them like they're asking to always be some conversation piece about obesity and health.
When we're talking about real individuals with feelings, there's more than just being "right." It's whether or not it is necessary to treat them like they're nothing more than an object lesson for the rest of us.
There are overweight/obese people who are interested in having this conversation, but I don't remember Lizzo ever asking to be part of it which is why I am just struck by the rudeness of Michaels doing this. What's wrong with "Yeah, my kids and I really like her music." Given Michaels' profession and history, nobody is reasonably going to think that she now wants people to be obese just because she admits she sometimes listens to Lizzo.
I agree. Lizzo has been at the center of alot of social media weight scrutiny. I've never heard her promote obesity, but she does not hide her body, and this has led to a lot of internet trolling and bullying of her online, to the point she deleted several of her accounts because it was so hurtful. Considering Jillian is mostly famous for the Biggest Loser, where they were all accused of fat shaming, I'm not surprised an interviewer would ask the question hoping for a viral quote. Especially in the context of Lizzo leaving social media (where music promotion happens) rather than deal with all the negative comments about her size, I think a simple "It's not appropriate to discuss the weight and health of people publicly without their permission" would have been in better taste.
As has been discussed in other debate threads here, I suspect this again involves the question of whether obese people being "allowed" to not be ashamed of their weight equates with society "celebrating" or "glamorizing" an obese person's body, and therefore promoting obesity.25 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »This is all so very touchy. JM is blunt and in your face. Has that ever changed anything for anyone? Our relatives can be some our harshest critics and all of their brutally, blunt harsh criticism or even calling ourselves names is all counterproductive to our overall health and well being. Apparently, her style didn't stick because those she coached on the BL didn't have lasting results from brutally strict in-your-face hard talk. They didn't find permanent weight stability. Being completely oblivious to the feelings of others doesn't motivate or inspire others to fit your mold and biased way of thinking about everything.
I do think that her methods would be ineffective to create lasting inspiration in most people. But I think it is also important to acknowledge that the methods of the show (on which she's just one person) are also apparently ineffective when it comes to creating lasting results -- it's just not sustainable to lose 10-15 pounds a week through eating 1,000 or fewer calories a day while working out for 5-6 hours. In fact, studies have demonstrated that it's actually counter-productive (in that survivors of the show have a very high rate of regaining weight and demonstrate metabolisms that are much slower than they should be).
Yes, her personality meshes well with the "tough love" of the show, but even the less blunt trainers on the show are still cooperating with the premise and their "clients" aren't more successful than hers.2 -
Having heard Lizzo interviewed, she does "celebrate her body", and includes some appearance-related material in her lyrics. I'm not at all saying she shouldn't do either of those things; they're fine. But they do put appearance questions on the table, in contrast to some other musicians who do their musical thing without reference to weight/appearance (but who are also criticized publically for their appearance, of course 🙄😬).
Jillian Michaels seems to be what passes for a fitness and health expert these days, and certainly is a fitness/health celebrity. She does have some professional knowledge/experience that's relevant to questions of weight management and health. In that context, it isn't surprising that interviewers would ask her opinion about something like this, or that she would express concern (that might actually be sincere concern, I don't know) about Lizzo's future health. (That, once pushed, she'd express that in a brash way is completely unsurprising.)
I like Lizzo's music in a casual way, and support her right to be the woman she chooses to be, including bodyweight and her sense of self-value/beauty, as long as it doesn't harm others. I don't personally care for JM, and I do think the interviewers in this case are way more about fanning controversy for reasons of clickbait, and not at all about eliciting useful, thoughtful, expert information for the benefit of readers. That seems reprehensible to me, though I understand what might motivate them to do it. It blows my mind that we would be manipulated by something so transparent, frankly.
And I really, really don't understand why people are interested in this kind of pointless faux controversy - how it helps improve our individual sense of well-being, or ability to live a rewarding life. But it does seem to be "important" in some mysterious cultural way. Meh.
:flowerforyou: to all.28 -
seltzermint555 wrote: »My only comment here is Lizzo's on her way up, Jillian's on her way down. It's whatever.
This I find funny..typical of the general public actually...let us pit two women against each other and see who wins...smh.She could have left it as "Why do we care?" instead of "It won't be awesome if she gets diabetes".
Health judgments/assumptions don't belong.
and this one I didn't see a judgement here...nor an assumption. The quote included "IF"...not when.
not exactly sure why all the uproar...if JM had said Grande or Dion needed to eat a burger a lot of the same people would be laughing and agreeing...never once defending...17
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