Calories in vs out
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »Could be all of the above, I know she says she barely eats cuz her stomach is always hurting but who knows what goes on at her home late at night, was just curious thanks for the replies
Someone's stomach can hurt for a lot of reasons other than not eating. Have you urged her to see a doctor?
The last time she went to the doctor they said she had a fatty liver I believe,she never went back cuz he wouldn't prescribe her opioids and said she seemed"drug seeking" and he tried to prescribe her ibuprofen 800 instead and an antidepressant which irritated her but I think she needs it, alcohol used to be a factor but from what I see when we work together she's not hungover like in the past,I know when she drank the night before and I just haven't seen it lately0 -
lorrainequiche59 wrote: »pamhardwick8899 wrote: »Great input from other posters on the need to weigh food. Also keeping measuring cups and measuring spoons handy is a must. For Example: 1 tbs peanut butter is 94 calories, 1 tbs Olive Oil is 119 calories and 1 tbs mayonaise is 94 calories. And 1 cup of spaghetti is 210 calories. Without measuring it would be easy to eat more calories than your diet would allow.
Except for the oil - those examples are all great reasons why measuring is NOT a must - but weighing is.
Especially the peanut butter and spaghetti.
Calories is per gram - not cups or spoons volumes.
There are 15 grams in a Tbsp. Most nutrition labels accomodate both grams and cups or whatever. If a person is going by the nutrition label then the measure of a serving doesn't really matter does it? It is whatever measure is stated on the label...am I missing something?
15g in a tablespoon of what? (Not oil.)
Grams are a weight measure. Tablespoons are a volume measure. They don't equate in any generic way.
Weight is a more precise way to measure food. Volume is a less precise way to measure food, especially non-liquids.
A less precise measurement of food yields a less precise estimate of calories.
Of course the measurement method matters, especially for calorie dense foods.
The serving size on the package is pretty much irrelevant: Even single serving packs frequently contain more or less food than the stated weight. For calorie-dense food especially, that difference matters, if one wants best achievable accuracy in estimating calories.
I'm not saying everyone must weigh food. If being less accurate (more approximate) works for you, great. But weighing yields more accurate estimates (and is quicker/easier besides, but that's another discussion).
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lorrainequiche59 wrote: »pamhardwick8899 wrote: »Great input from other posters on the need to weigh food. Also keeping measuring cups and measuring spoons handy is a must. For Example: 1 tbs peanut butter is 94 calories, 1 tbs Olive Oil is 119 calories and 1 tbs mayonaise is 94 calories. And 1 cup of spaghetti is 210 calories. Without measuring it would be easy to eat more calories than your diet would allow.
Except for the oil - those examples are all great reasons why measuring is NOT a must - but weighing is.
Especially the peanut butter and spaghetti.
Calories is per gram - not cups or spoons volumes.
There are 15 grams in a Tbsp. Most nutrition labels accomodate both grams and cups or whatever. If a person is going by the nutrition label then the measure of a serving doesn't really matter does it? It is whatever measure is stated on the label...am I missing something?
The nutrition info on the package is correct for the grams listed. The volume measurement listed is an estimate included for convenience, and often a bad estimate at that.
There is no such rule that there are 15 grams in a tbsp. Grams is a weight, so by definition a tbsp (or cup or gallon) of a heavy substance will be more grams (ie weigh more) than one of a lighter substance.
According to the bin, a serving of oats is 1/2 cup (40 grams). When I place my dry measuring half cup on the scale, tare it to 0, and start pouring in oats, the scale says 50g before the half cup is full.
Some people can control their weight just fine without a food scale, I suspect it's a combination of better hunger/satiation signaling, food choices, and sheer luck. But if someone's numbers don't seem to add up and they are struggling, attempting to be more accurate by weighing out portions is a great way to find the problem and refine your data.5 -
lorrainequiche59 wrote: »pamhardwick8899 wrote: »Great input from other posters on the need to weigh food. Also keeping measuring cups and measuring spoons handy is a must. For Example: 1 tbs peanut butter is 94 calories, 1 tbs Olive Oil is 119 calories and 1 tbs mayonaise is 94 calories. And 1 cup of spaghetti is 210 calories. Without measuring it would be easy to eat more calories than your diet would allow.
Except for the oil - those examples are all great reasons why measuring is NOT a must - but weighing is.
Especially the peanut butter and spaghetti.
Calories is per gram - not cups or spoons volumes.
There are 15 grams in a Tbsp. Most nutrition labels accomodate both grams and cups or whatever. If a person is going by the nutrition label then the measure of a serving doesn't really matter does it? It is whatever measure is stated on the label...am I missing something?
The nutrition info on the package is correct for the grams listed. The volume measurement listed is an estimate included for convenience, and often a bad estimate at that.
There is no such rule that there are 15 grams in a tbsp. Grams is a weight, so by definition a tbsp (or cup or gallon) of a heavy substance will be more grams (ie weigh more) than one of a lighter substance.
According to the bin, a serving of oats is 1/2 cup (40 grams). When I place my dry measuring half cup on the scale, tare it to 0, and start pouring in oats, the scale says 50g before the half cup is full.
Some people can control their weight just fine without a food scale, I suspect it's a combination of better hunger/satiation signaling, food choices, and sheer luck. But if someone's numbers don't seem to add up and they are struggling, attempting to be more accurate by weighing out portions is a great way to find the problem and refine your data.
True, but if one uses the same measuring cup and weighs the contents, one might be able to get relative same measurements. I a COH, so I use the same measuring cups... ok lets just say cheap..... if I know a serving of oats measured in this cup will be 37-43gms, wont the rule averages apply?
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psychod787 wrote: »lorrainequiche59 wrote: »pamhardwick8899 wrote: »Great input from other posters on the need to weigh food. Also keeping measuring cups and measuring spoons handy is a must. For Example: 1 tbs peanut butter is 94 calories, 1 tbs Olive Oil is 119 calories and 1 tbs mayonaise is 94 calories. And 1 cup of spaghetti is 210 calories. Without measuring it would be easy to eat more calories than your diet would allow.
Except for the oil - those examples are all great reasons why measuring is NOT a must - but weighing is.
Especially the peanut butter and spaghetti.
Calories is per gram - not cups or spoons volumes.
There are 15 grams in a Tbsp. Most nutrition labels accomodate both grams and cups or whatever. If a person is going by the nutrition label then the measure of a serving doesn't really matter does it? It is whatever measure is stated on the label...am I missing something?
The nutrition info on the package is correct for the grams listed. The volume measurement listed is an estimate included for convenience, and often a bad estimate at that.
There is no such rule that there are 15 grams in a tbsp. Grams is a weight, so by definition a tbsp (or cup or gallon) of a heavy substance will be more grams (ie weigh more) than one of a lighter substance.
According to the bin, a serving of oats is 1/2 cup (40 grams). When I place my dry measuring half cup on the scale, tare it to 0, and start pouring in oats, the scale says 50g before the half cup is full.
Some people can control their weight just fine without a food scale, I suspect it's a combination of better hunger/satiation signaling, food choices, and sheer luck. But if someone's numbers don't seem to add up and they are struggling, attempting to be more accurate by weighing out portions is a great way to find the problem and refine your data.
True, but if one uses the same measuring cup and weighs the contents, one might be able to get relative same measurements. I a COH, so I use the same measuring cups... ok lets just say cheap..... if I know a serving of oats measured in this cup will be 37-43gms, wont the rule averages apply?
Sure, but that's just one example. I eat other stuff that I see a similar problem with. If you want to make mental or written notes of how all of your typical foods fit into your typical measuring utensils, instead of spend $15 on a food scale and just dump all your food into your dishes on the scale instead, that's another way to go
After years of weighing and logging portions, I am WAY better at eyeballing what a serving of different foods looks like on my plates and bowls. But I find my view of a portion tends to creep up over time when I get cocky and decide I don't need the food scale anymore. But for some people they do develop that skill and do fine long term without weighing. Not me though!2 -
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After years of weighing and logging portions, I am WAY better at eyeballing what a serving of different foods looks like on my plates and bowls. But I find my view of a portion tends to creep up over time when I get cocky and decide I don't need the food scale anymore.
SO MUCH THIS! Both statements. Testify! It's the TRUTH!
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A cup of flour weighs 120 grams, but professional bakers don't measure by the cup because the way the flour is put into the cup will affect the weight. 120 grams of flour will always be 120 grams of flour whether sifted, shaken, packed, or pounded. Same for just about all other foods - mass/weight changes each time the container is filled.
If serious about counting, get a food scale. I've yet to see one sold in the US that didn't have both Imperial (ounces) and Metric (grams). Less than $10 on Amazon, although there are more expensive ones.
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mullanphylane wrote: »A cup of flour weighs 120 grams, but professional bakers don't measure by the cup because the way the flour is put into the cup will affect the weight. 120 grams of flour will always be 120 grams of flour whether sifted, shaken, packed, or pounded. Same for just about all other foods - mass/weight changes each time the container is filled.
If serious about counting, get a food scale. I've yet to see one sold in the US that didn't have both Imperial (ounces) and Metric (grams). Less than $10 on Amazon, although there are more expensive ones.
This. I'm only a home Baker but since I've switched to using weights to measure my dry ingredients my baking is way better and more consistent.
For the record the Oats thing is so true. I used to only measure by cup but I started weighing out of curiosity, and I was ALWAYS at least 10-20% over the stated weight on the package. So no, there won't be a rule of averages here, you will always be over.2 -
lorrainequiche59 wrote: »pamhardwick8899 wrote: »Great input from other posters on the need to weigh food. Also keeping measuring cups and measuring spoons handy is a must. For Example: 1 tbs peanut butter is 94 calories, 1 tbs Olive Oil is 119 calories and 1 tbs mayonaise is 94 calories. And 1 cup of spaghetti is 210 calories. Without measuring it would be easy to eat more calories than your diet would allow.
Except for the oil - those examples are all great reasons why measuring is NOT a must - but weighing is.
Especially the peanut butter and spaghetti.
Calories is per gram - not cups or spoons volumes.
There are 15 grams in a Tbsp. Most nutrition labels accomodate both grams and cups or whatever. If a person is going by the nutrition label then the measure of a serving doesn't really matter does it? It is whatever measure is stated on the label...am I missing something?
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying people have to use whatever unit of measure is on the label? For things like oil, one olive oil is pretty much the same as another when it comes to nutrition -- indeed, other than the breakdown of different types of fat, one oil of any type is pretty much like another. There are entries derived from USDA information you can use to get information based on weight.2 -
For olive oil, there's about 14 grams per Tbsp.
A good resource for conversions if your recipe or package is by volume is http://www.invive.com/calorie.html.
This list also gives nutrition information. It might be useful when double-checking things in the MFP database, because we all know that NOTHING is wrong in there. I'm sure that recipe I added fresh garlic to had thousands of calories per garlic clove....1 -
For olive oil, there's about 14 grams per Tbsp.
A good resource for conversions if your recipe or package is by volume is http://www.invive.com/calorie.html.
This list also gives nutrition information. It might be useful when double-checking things in the MFP database, because we all know that NOTHING is wrong in there. I'm sure that recipe I added fresh garlic to had thousands of calories per garlic clove....
yeah, I've run into that one too; causes an eye-pop on the calorie count until I realize what happened. And its usually the default one pulled in when I build a recipe from a URL, too.
And then there's the one that says there's 94 calories in 1/2 cup of granulated splenda. that one is irritating, too.1 -
No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.1
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psychod787 wrote: »lorrainequiche59 wrote: »pamhardwick8899 wrote: »Great input from other posters on the need to weigh food. Also keeping measuring cups and measuring spoons handy is a must. For Example: 1 tbs peanut butter is 94 calories, 1 tbs Olive Oil is 119 calories and 1 tbs mayonaise is 94 calories. And 1 cup of spaghetti is 210 calories. Without measuring it would be easy to eat more calories than your diet would allow.
Except for the oil - those examples are all great reasons why measuring is NOT a must - but weighing is.
Especially the peanut butter and spaghetti.
Calories is per gram - not cups or spoons volumes.
There are 15 grams in a Tbsp. Most nutrition labels accomodate both grams and cups or whatever. If a person is going by the nutrition label then the measure of a serving doesn't really matter does it? It is whatever measure is stated on the label...am I missing something?
The nutrition info on the package is correct for the grams listed. The volume measurement listed is an estimate included for convenience, and often a bad estimate at that.
There is no such rule that there are 15 grams in a tbsp. Grams is a weight, so by definition a tbsp (or cup or gallon) of a heavy substance will be more grams (ie weigh more) than one of a lighter substance.
According to the bin, a serving of oats is 1/2 cup (40 grams). When I place my dry measuring half cup on the scale, tare it to 0, and start pouring in oats, the scale says 50g before the half cup is full.
Some people can control their weight just fine without a food scale, I suspect it's a combination of better hunger/satiation signaling, food choices, and sheer luck. But if someone's numbers don't seem to add up and they are struggling, attempting to be more accurate by weighing out portions is a great way to find the problem and refine your data.
True, but if one uses the same measuring cup and weighs the contents, one might be able to get relative same measurements. I a COH, so I use the same measuring cups... ok lets just say cheap..... if I know a serving of oats measured in this cup will be 37-43gms, wont the rule averages apply?
Sure, but that's just one example. I eat other stuff that I see a similar problem with. If you want to make mental or written notes of how all of your typical foods fit into your typical measuring utensils, instead of spend $15 on a food scale and just dump all your food into your dishes on the scale instead, that's another way to go
After years of weighing and logging portions, I am WAY better at eyeballing what a serving of different foods looks like on my plates and bowls. But I find my view of a portion tends to creep up over time when I get cocky and decide I don't need the food scale anymore. But for some people they do develop that skill and do fine long term without weighing. Not me though!
I think your nearly perfect ma'am.... my opinion is what counts...🤟3 -
No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
I think I should weigh myself less often because it has thrown me off, whether it is vowing to eat less that day or blowing it because I think it's not working. I like your advice to only use it to track progress.2 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »And then there's the one that says there's 94 calories in 1/2 cup of granulated splenda. that one is irritating, too.
Well, it is irritating, I guess because it just about doubles the calories; but there would be at least 48 Cal in 1/2 a cup of GRANULATED Splenda https://www.splendaprofessional.com/studies-science/splenda-sweeteners-compared-sugar]
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No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?
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bmeadows380 wrote: »And then there's the one that says there's 94 calories in 1/2 cup of granulated splenda. that one is irritating, too.
Well, it is irritating, I guess because it just about doubles the calories; but there would be at least 48 Cal in 1/2 a cup of GRANULATED Splenda https://www.splendaprofessional.com/studies-science/splenda-sweeteners-compared-sugar]
Now that just ruins my day
And they don't list that calorie information on the bag - I had never noticed the fine print until you told me this, but there is a small statement at the very bottom that says "free food up to 8 teaspoons" and "in some recipes, Splenda no calorie sweetener may contribute minimal calories"
When I'm trying to make every calorie count, that is not news I want to hear!
I wish Swerve wasn't so darned expensive; it baked well like Splenda does. I don't like using the stevia alternatives as they just don't seem to sweeten well in baked goods, and my luck, they'd be like splenda and add unknown and unwanted calories, too, in large quantities.1 -
No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
I don't often reply here often but this just sort of needed addressed.
I do agree that a food scale is an invaluable tool if you are trying to as accurate as possible with CI. For example when I started out I was eating 3/4 cup of fruitloops as that is what the side panel said a serving was...then I purchased my food scale...and guess what 125grams (serving size in weight) is a lot more than 3/4 of a cup...same with cottage cheese...however 1tbsp of peanut butter is a lot more than the gram servings...
The type of exercise you are doing is irrelevant because gaining muscle mass is not that simple...sure that are cases where this might be true but they are not the general rule.
When you weigh yourself is a purely subjective thing. Some people like to see the trending...so they do it everyday.
As for the scale, it has to rule when dieting as the facts are this...if you are trying to lose 10lbs that is how you know you are losing and when you are done...
People can look in the mirror all they want and see what they see but it doesn't mean it's reality. I at 215lbs looked in the mirror and didn't think it was that bad...it was. The scale is the reality of life as far as weight goes for "dieting".
Eating late is irrelevant for CI/CO, carbs after 6 or protein before bed is irrelevant. Seems like the a lot of fitness industry not so true things have filtered into your thinking....most of which don't matter and have been proven time and time again not to matter.12 -
WinoGelato wrote: »No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?
Oh no, I ate quinoa with dinner last night. What's going to happen to me?8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?
Oh no, I ate quinoa with dinner last night. What's going to happen to me?
You'll most likely go into starvation mode, but if you drink some ACV, and detox with a juice cleanse, you might be able to boost your metabolism.15 -
WinoGelato wrote: »No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
I don't often reply here often but this just sort of needed addressed.
I do agree that a food scale is an invaluable tool if you are trying to as accurate as possible with CI. For example when I started out I was eating 3/4 cup of fruitloops as that is what the side panel said a serving was...then I purchased my food scale...and guess what 125grams (serving size in weight) is a lot more than 3/4 of a cup...same with cottage cheese...however 1tbsp of peanut butter is a lot more than the gram servings...
The type of exercise you are doing is irrelevant because gaining muscle mass is not that simple...sure that are cases where this might be true but they are not the general rule.
When you weigh yourself is a purely subjective thing. Some people like to see the trending...so they do it everyday.
As for the scale, it has to rule when dieting as the facts are this...if you are trying to lose 10lbs that is how you know you are losing and when you are done...
People can look in the mirror all they want and see what they see but it doesn't mean it's reality. I at 215lbs looked in the mirror and didn't think it was that bad...it was. The scale is the reality of life as far as weight goes for "dieting".
Eating late is irrelevant for CI/CO, carbs after 6 or protein before bed is irrelevant. Seems like the a lot of fitness industry not so true things have filtered into your thinking....most of which don't matter and have been proven time and time again not to matter.
Have a read:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6415027/
As far as late night carbs, I should have been more specific. There may not be a problem with complex carbs later in the day when trying to lose weight. Problem is nobody really knows for sure, there's a lot of opinions, but not enough research has been done on the subject. A Google search will result in support either way. I wouldn't touch higher glycemic foods close to bed time on a cut though.
The point I was trying to make with the scale is, a lot of people starting out get obsessed with weighing themselves. Often times this leads to frustration and giving up. Weight changes all day long, and from day to day based on so many different variables. By checking your weight once a week, on the same day and same time, you get a more accurate gauge of true weight gain or loss, as opposed to checking it when ever is convenient. At 215 you may not have thought you looked that big, but at 195 I'm betting you noticed visible changes in your body.1 -
The linked piece is a review that was apparently looking at the question of whether ADDITIONAL protein before bed can be a legitimate strategy or if you can't process it adequately/as well or it interferes with sleep such that it's pointless or has negative effects. It concluded that it's fine, you process it normally, and "[a]s such, pre-sleep protein ingestion can be considered as an additional meal moment to increase total daily protein intake and improve overnight protein balance." (The article, if anything, is critical of the merits of a OMAD approach or any approach that gets most protein in one meal. It's not saying there's something special about protein at bedtime.)
This is consistent with the piece taking the position that it's better to spread protein over the day, which I've definitely seen research contradicting. But, sure, it might be true. This one does not claim it's somehow better to consume protein near bedtime vs the rest of the day, it suggests that if you add protein at bedtime so as to increase the amount of bedtime, or to deal with late workouts, that might be helpful.
Re: carbs late in the day, I've yet to see anything particularly credible suggesting that it is a problem or anything other than a circadian rhythm argument (which would apply as much to fat and protein) suggesting that time of eating matters. What mechanism would this be? Also, there is research suggesting that carbs before bed tend to improve sleep, which is a good thing.9 -
Interesting, I was just listening to Iron Culture podcast's most recent with Danny Lennon, discussing chrononutrition.
None of it violates CICO. There might be benefits to avoiding anything besides protein a few hours before bed. More so in how it will impact appetite and glucose regulation.WinoGelato wrote: »No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
I don't often reply here often but this just sort of needed addressed.
I do agree that a food scale is an invaluable tool if you are trying to as accurate as possible with CI. For example when I started out I was eating 3/4 cup of fruitloops as that is what the side panel said a serving was...then I purchased my food scale...and guess what 125grams (serving size in weight) is a lot more than 3/4 of a cup...same with cottage cheese...however 1tbsp of peanut butter is a lot more than the gram servings...
The type of exercise you are doing is irrelevant because gaining muscle mass is not that simple...sure that are cases where this might be true but they are not the general rule.
When you weigh yourself is a purely subjective thing. Some people like to see the trending...so they do it everyday.
As for the scale, it has to rule when dieting as the facts are this...if you are trying to lose 10lbs that is how you know you are losing and when you are done...
People can look in the mirror all they want and see what they see but it doesn't mean it's reality. I at 215lbs looked in the mirror and didn't think it was that bad...it was. The scale is the reality of life as far as weight goes for "dieting".
Eating late is irrelevant for CI/CO, carbs after 6 or protein before bed is irrelevant. Seems like the a lot of fitness industry not so true things have filtered into your thinking....most of which don't matter and have been proven time and time again not to matter.
The point I was trying to make with the scale is, a lot of people starting out get obsessed with weighing themselves. Often times this leads to frustration and giving up. Weight changes all day long, and from day to day based on so many different variables. By checking your weight once a week, on the same day and same time, you get a more accurate gauge of true weight gain or loss, as opposed to checking it when ever is convenient. At 215 you may not have thought you looked that big, but at 195 I'm betting you noticed visible changes in your body.
Or... it is possible to use a rolling average by logging daily with an app and weighing oneself under the same conditions, time of day wise.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
I don't often reply here often but this just sort of needed addressed.
I do agree that a food scale is an invaluable tool if you are trying to as accurate as possible with CI. For example when I started out I was eating 3/4 cup of fruitloops as that is what the side panel said a serving was...then I purchased my food scale...and guess what 125grams (serving size in weight) is a lot more than 3/4 of a cup...same with cottage cheese...however 1tbsp of peanut butter is a lot more than the gram servings...
The type of exercise you are doing is irrelevant because gaining muscle mass is not that simple...sure that are cases where this might be true but they are not the general rule.
When you weigh yourself is a purely subjective thing. Some people like to see the trending...so they do it everyday.
As for the scale, it has to rule when dieting as the facts are this...if you are trying to lose 10lbs that is how you know you are losing and when you are done...
People can look in the mirror all they want and see what they see but it doesn't mean it's reality. I at 215lbs looked in the mirror and didn't think it was that bad...it was. The scale is the reality of life as far as weight goes for "dieting".
Eating late is irrelevant for CI/CO, carbs after 6 or protein before bed is irrelevant. Seems like the a lot of fitness industry not so true things have filtered into your thinking....most of which don't matter and have been proven time and time again not to matter.
Have a read:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6415027/
As far as late night carbs, I should have been more specific. There may not be a problem with complex carbs later in the day when trying to lose weight. Problem is nobody really knows for sure, there's a lot of opinions, but not enough research has been done on the subject. A Google search will result in support either way. I wouldn't touch higher glycemic foods close to bed time on a cut though.
The point I was trying to make with the scale is, a lot of people starting out get obsessed with weighing themselves. Often times this leads to frustration and giving up. Weight changes all day long, and from day to day based on so many different variables. By checking your weight once a week, on the same day and same time, you get a more accurate gauge of true weight gain or loss, as opposed to checking it when ever is convenient. At 215 you may not have thought you looked that big, but at 195 I'm betting you noticed visible changes in your body.
I read the link...
"However, whether this beneficial effect on pre-sleep protein ingestion on muscle mass and strength gain during resistance-type exercise training are due to an increased total protein intake rather than by its specific timing remains elusive, and warrants further research. "
this was in the conclusion...*shrugs* so it is not a definitive study indicating what you claimed.
*shrugs*
This post was about CI vs CO and weight loss....what you missed was the following:
1. If a person wants to use a scale to weight themselves it is their choice when and how often. Some like more numbers some like less...there is no right answer. And as a women I could be up 5lbs due to period weight that week so perhaps daily trendings is better for us.
2. There is nothing wrong with eating at night for weight loss...it's about total calories...otherwise my husband who is a shift worker would be as fat as an elephant...
3. As for how I looked in the mirror between 215 and 195...didn't really notice...I look at myself now at 145 and think the same thing I did at 215...curvy and a little jiggly but all n all...looking good.
that is self confidence which has nothing to do with the scale...
PS I notice more of a difference now with 5lbs weight loss than I did with a 20lb change.
5lbs now is the difference between size 6 and 4...whereas 20lbs didn't really change my clothing size...7 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »Interesting, I was just listening to Iron Culture podcast's most recent with Danny Lennon, discussing chrononutrition.
None of it violates CICO. There might be benefits to avoiding anything besides protein a few hours before bed. More so in how it will impact appetite and glucose regulation.WinoGelato wrote: »No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
Why are carbs to be avoided later in the day? What do you think happens it you consume them? And what’s magical about protein before bed if you are lifting?No tracker is a hundred percent. It can't be, it doesn't know your body composition, or true fitness level. I'd start by making sure the portions you are entering are what you're actually eating. A food scale is a must if you're just starting out. 2nd, what type of exercises are you doing? Could it be you're gaining muscle mass? When do you weigh yourself? It should always be the same day and time, and only once a week. Also, don't allow the scale to rule your decision on dieting, use it to track progress, but base your decisions by what you see in the mirror. If after a month you don't see any progress on the scale, and in the mirror then change something. As far as eating late, it depends on your goals. Carbs, other then vegetables, should always be avoided later in the day. If your lifting and looking to gain muscle mass, you should always have protein before bed.
I don't often reply here often but this just sort of needed addressed.
I do agree that a food scale is an invaluable tool if you are trying to as accurate as possible with CI. For example when I started out I was eating 3/4 cup of fruitloops as that is what the side panel said a serving was...then I purchased my food scale...and guess what 125grams (serving size in weight) is a lot more than 3/4 of a cup...same with cottage cheese...however 1tbsp of peanut butter is a lot more than the gram servings...
The type of exercise you are doing is irrelevant because gaining muscle mass is not that simple...sure that are cases where this might be true but they are not the general rule.
When you weigh yourself is a purely subjective thing. Some people like to see the trending...so they do it everyday.
As for the scale, it has to rule when dieting as the facts are this...if you are trying to lose 10lbs that is how you know you are losing and when you are done...
People can look in the mirror all they want and see what they see but it doesn't mean it's reality. I at 215lbs looked in the mirror and didn't think it was that bad...it was. The scale is the reality of life as far as weight goes for "dieting".
Eating late is irrelevant for CI/CO, carbs after 6 or protein before bed is irrelevant. Seems like the a lot of fitness industry not so true things have filtered into your thinking....most of which don't matter and have been proven time and time again not to matter.
The point I was trying to make with the scale is, a lot of people starting out get obsessed with weighing themselves. Often times this leads to frustration and giving up. Weight changes all day long, and from day to day based on so many different variables. By checking your weight once a week, on the same day and same time, you get a more accurate gauge of true weight gain or loss, as opposed to checking it when ever is convenient. At 215 you may not have thought you looked that big, but at 195 I'm betting you noticed visible changes in your body.
Or... it is possible to use a rolling average by logging daily with an app and weighing oneself under the same conditions, time of day wise.
Exactly. Having more data points to compare is going to paint the most accurate picture. I could very easily weigh the same thing today as I do the same day next week, but because of fluctuations, its the trend that matters and not a single data point(or two).1 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »Now that just ruins my day And they don't list that calorie information on the bag - I had never noticed the fine print until you told me this, but there is a small statement at the very bottom that says "free food up to 8 teaspoons" and "in some recipes, Splenda no calorie sweetener may contribute minimal calories"
When I'm trying to make every calorie count, that is not news I want to hear!
I wish Swerve wasn't so darned expensive; it baked well like Splenda does. I don't like using the stevia alternatives as they just don't seem to sweeten well in baked goods, and my luck, they'd be like splenda and add unknown and unwanted calories, too, in large quantities.
Sorry <hug>!
There is almost nothing that is truly zero calories in sufficient quantities.
Even fiber often counted as zero calories in nutritional information, if you dig deeper you discover that sometimes the type of fiber in question does get partially absorbed on the way out and might still be contributing 0.5 to 2.5 Cal per gram.
Due to how little you need to use for the sweetness level it imparts (and due to the bulking medium being water) liquid Splenda (which I found once at my local Safeway and have been looking for it since) probably has the least amount of actual calories. But you would have to substitute the sugar "bulk" with something else which would still have some calories
When you solve the problem of WHAT.... let me know... I am still failing to find a way after trying apple sauce, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, carrots, unsweetened cocoa... and who knows what else!
UK/European entries often have 100g values where you see the true(er) calories once you go beyond the magical less than 5 Calories for a 0.33 of a microsecond spray... therefore it has no calories! Or USDA entries... looking at you yellow mustard and baking powder
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as to people trying to figure out their weight trend, assuming that they can mentally deal with it, there is little doubt that having more similar condition daily observations will lead to a more accurate mapping of a trend.
week to week fluctuations can still be caused by the same issues that cause day to day fluctuations and so can month to month ones.3
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