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I was just at my local grocery which was nuts due to the shelter in place order we just got, but nothing was actually low or unavailable. I think just trust in your supply chain for things like food and paper products. I'm more worried about amazon shortages for computer stuff.
I stopped at my local grocery. The TP was out and the selection of bread was a bit thin, both of which I expected. What I didn't expect was how little flour was available. I am getting a bit bored so I am starting a sourdough starter and thought I would load up on a bit more flour. I had a choice between one brand of all purpose, one self rising, or 2 brands of bread flour. I just needed 5 lb of all purpose so I wasn't going to be picky.
A couple of other changes: they were only selling coffee pre-packaged. The bulk bins were sealed off. They also are asking that you not bring in reusable bags or if you do, that you bag your own groceries to lessen any transference to the checkers/baggers.
I suspect that the hoarding has lessened but that the supply chains are disrupted. Maybe within a few days the stores will start to have reasonable stocks again.
Yeah, I think being in a big city, or even my specific part of this city, has protected me from the supply chain disruption as I haven't seen it yet and it was getting back to normal before yesterday when everyone started anticipating the stay in place order.
And based on observation what I think people have been largely focusing on over the past couple of days is alcohol, which we sell at the grocery store.0 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??
In the current form, yes. Even if you disagree about that, there is nothing inherent in the reaction (whether you think it is proper or not) by itself that proves or disproves whether it is overdone or not. So to make the point, "Things are being done, so that proves that doing things is not an over-reaction" still isn't a good point.
ETA: FTR, I've been in the "shut everything down" group for a few days, though will acknowledge I've been less vocal here than other social media. It is my view, though, that you either do nothing (lots of death, less economic loss) or you shut everything down and everybody stays home except a few essential workers (much less death, lots of economic loss). The current practices are providing plenty of economic loss without enough reduction in mortality to be worthwhile. Why should we push for the worst of both health and economic outcomes?! So I am in the "everybody stay home" camp as long as it is absolutely everybody (except a very few who are truly needed to respond). Since that isn't happening, closing half of things down is an over-reaction that just leads to economic losses and delays suffering. Someone like me is very likely to die in the future when I get laid off and can't afford insulin. I'm all for saving lives, but that means everyone stays home and there will need to be some economic relief to save lives as well.
Okay, thank you for that explanation
It actually sounds to me more like you think the measures are an under reaction, though (ie you're on Team "shut everything down with economic relief"). I would tend to agree that a lot of what is happening in many countries is a half-assed approach.
I guess that depends on the perspective. I'm just saying - either do something worthwhile or don't do anything. A half-way approach just screws everything up worse all around. At least the economy can eventually recover and can be helped to prevent people like me from dying later.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
Can't remember which state it was (not mine), but home repair/hardware was on their essential business list. Wondered, so checked, what would happen if someone's refrigerator broke down. Answer might be "big box home improvement store", perhaps.2 -
London has not gone into lockdown yet, but cafes, restaurants, gyms, bars, theatres were told not to re-open after tonight.
Potatoes are starting to get scarce in my bit of central London. Hubby managed to find some at the Bangladeshi supermarket. At least the ethnic grocers are still well stocked.
Just to point out that those measures do not just apply to London, but to the whole of the UK.
The Government have also announced some great measures for financial easement for both businesses and any employees who have to be laid off as a result.4 -
In Detroit (down the road from me), 5 police officers are confirmed positive, and 150-some are quarantined. That's "only" 7% of the force, but apparently it's concentrated in some parts of the city, so requiring some reallocations of personnel. If it gets worse, chief will possibly de-prioritize some less urgent investigative units for full staffing.
Before you start: I'm not catastrophizing about the horrors of Detroit, which tends to have some baggage about being an awful place. It has some serious challenges, but so do many major cities. It's not a unique case study in bad city-hood or something, so don't take this as some dark hint about what may happen in Detroit.
I'm reporting this here because it suggests a potentially high-exposure group I hadn't considered, and I heard the stats from Detroit because it's nearby (source: Michigan Radio, a network of public radio stations that does some excellent reporting in the state).8 -
I've been following this thread since the beginning and what I notice tonight is more of us are becoming frightened and worried. Between the virus and people we care about being sick, the loss of jobs, the basic shutdown of cities and states around our world, our nerves are frayed.
I can't find it again but I watched a video from a man in Italy who had the virus and survived the virus. He looked to be about 50ish. They couldn't find him a bed in a hospital so his doctor sent him home. The doctor told him to think positive thoughts, to visualize himself coming out on the other side of this healthy again, to rest as much as possible so his body could fight, and he survived.
I think we all need to try being positive even in the face of more dire news. We're all in this together and it's time we lifted ourselves up and told the virus....................go to hell!
I have a daughter at risk and being tested a 2nd time, a business faltering, other children hunkered down and one of them doesn't know if he'll have a job on Monday. But honestly, the most important thing is to try to take care of ourselves and weather the storm! Don't lose hope!26 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
@T1DCarnivoreRunner - over reaction and under reaction are pretty subjective no? And I wasn’t offering up any equations about people being reactionary. I said my experience from March 1 to March 20 has been very different and shared my experience from March 1 when everyone thought it would pass to March 20 to being in a world where all of my family are either in Rome or NYC- are severely affected.
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New Zealand now possibly has its first (known) cases of community transmission, and we now also have alert levels (so there is surety around what will happen/be expected of people if and when things escalate). We are now on Level Two. Some of the requirements of that were already in place (border controls, rules around large gatherings), but people over 70 and others at high risk are now advised to stay at home.
https://covid19.govt.nz/assets/COVID_Alert-levels.pdf7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
In PA, at least for now, hardware and auto parts stores are seen as essential. Our local Lowes was open when we drove past this afternoon. Supposedly garden supplies are not essential (per the Governor's shutdown order), but that part of the store looked like it was open as well. Construction has been shut down, but some emergency repairs are going to be necessary so plumbing and electrical supplies will be needed. Plus, it gives people something to do at home when they're off work.2 -
I heard this tonight from a healthcare worker.....
"I stayed at work for you, please stay home for me." That's a very powerful message and applies to all of our essential service workers..........cops, firefighters and even our grocery store workers and those that are still taking care of their babies and toddlers at day care facilities.14 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Italy is being told that their "peak" is around 10 days from now. Nearly 500 per day dying and 6000 new cases yesterday with stressed to the max hospitals already. I had hoped the number would plateau, but it unfortunately hasn't. The only good news for them is everyone is taking it deadly serious. I wish I could say the same here.
@Snowflake -- I'm in constant contact with others in Italy (indoor rowing buddies of mine). I'm praying for you all, even though I know it's going to be the same here. Please pray for us in a few weeks as well. We will need it.
Saw this today - if we agree on the timeline, the US was trending closely with Italy (it has since grown at a larger pace.) The good news is, the US has five times the population (60 million vs 320 million), so the magnitude is much less. (Not sure why California was dropped in with a different timeline)
This, to me, just means we will have 6X the deaths. So, they have 500 a day, we are going to have 3000 a day. I fear it's unavoidable at this stage. I've told all my siblings in Ohio (all at risk) that I love them. One, likely the most at risk, has a son that is a security guard at a local hospital. He has it at their house in isolation. Feeling very sad today. I'm sorry.
The fact that young people are partying on beaches is disgusting. Florida will be awful.
Maybe this year is different, but typically those "spring-break" party-goers are not exclusively or even overwhelmingly from Florida. So some of them will be getting on planes, infecting TSA workers, flight crew, and fellow passengers, and then infecting roommates, friends, and families when they arrive home.11 -
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html8 -
My friend has several rental properties, plumbers are starting to be an issue because they don’t want to go into residential homes...
Gardening could be beneficial, hopefully those supplies stay available... a nod to WWII victory gardens if this continues... for those that have the ability anyway.3 -
Have been offline for a few days and didn't go back to read all the comments, so apologize if this has already been brought up. Has anyone seen this story:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fourth-member-jersey-family-dies-000305798.html
Combined with what is happening in Italy, couldn't help but wonder if people of Italian descent are somehow more genetically vulnerable to this virus. Is that possible?
I personally don’t think this virus cares what ethnicity or race you are. It’s everywhere and anyone is susceptible to it. I wish so much that testing was more avaliable then we would have the true numbers of people who have it rather than just those deemed “high risk”. Stay safe4 -
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.7 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Well, if they're selling anything 120-proof or stronger, you could use it to kill the coronavirus. 4 -
Well it’s not so much prep but I was really angry today. As we’ve been told, no gatherings over 100 people. My friend went to a wedding with about 90 guests. So that’s not incudling the workers. I said I wldnt put yrself or the kids at danger, the answer I got was, word for word “I don’t care, doesn’t worry me, people are being stupid and overreacting” It’s attidudes like this that puts our world at risk, selfish and ignorant grrrrrrrrrr so mad. I love her and feel guilty I feel so angry but I just imagine all the people in the world with attitudes just like that who are depending on everyone else to do the right thing to lessen THEIR danger. Hmph28
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It has been bizarrely depressing and hopeful, this last week, for me.
My parents are big watchers of Fox news. My dad, who is over 70, has asthma, and JUST got over pneumonia in January, is going out to the local coffee shop every day. My mother is in a higher risk group. I have a great aunt who I love to bits who is in a nursing home and we can't even visit her for her own safety. Myself and my kid are in high risk groups. I worry that if any of us catch this thing, we're not going to make it. I have friends who are sick with it but can't be tested. I have other friends - also chronically ill - who likely wouldn't make it through if they caught this.
That is a lot of people in my immediate family that are in danger and dealing with that fear is hard. I know many people are in the same boat.
But...there is something about this which very much makes me feel closer to most people around me. It has probably been over 100 years since we have had the entire world all going through the same trial at the same time. Most of us are going to understand hardship and loss a lot more by the end of us. And that's so, so hard alone, but in this situation, when probably the majority of the entire world will UNDERSTAND because they have gone through the same type of thing?
It's hard to imagine.
It feels like that moment when you have someone who has gone through something traumatic with you - you both lost a job during the recession. You've both lost a child, or a parent. There's that feeling of connection. But this is going to be that feeling with the entire freaking world, if we let ourselves feel it.
I think of that and I really hope that we can do something with this, once this is all over. It's something that I'm trying to think of as much as possible - this connection with people - to help me cope with the worry, honestly.26 -
Apparently they fall under the food processing retail and merchant category. https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-new-york-liquor-stores-deemed-essential-can-stay-open-2020-3amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.4
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