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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
I wouldn’t.
If it were me, risking others health and lives isn’t worth having it on my conscience. I don’t think they’re a bad person, quite the contrary, they’re showing responsibility and compassion for others wellbeing.
Social distancing will help contain the spread of this.8 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
In PA, at least for now, hardware and auto parts stores are seen as essential. Our local Lowes was open when we drove past this afternoon. Supposedly garden supplies are not essential (per the Governor's shutdown order), but that part of the store looked like it was open as well. Construction has been shut down, but some emergency repairs are going to be necessary so plumbing and electrical supplies will be needed. Plus, it gives people something to do at home when they're off work.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
Looking at the obituaries here...every single one says "services private, memorial will be held at a later date." So sad for people who lose loved ones...I know how important it can be to be surrounded by friends and family during a tough time, and now so many people are having to face their grief alone.9 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
I don't know if this is the reasoning at all, but an alcoholic can die from withdrawal.
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
Looking at the obituaries here...every single one says "services private, memorial will be held at a later date." So sad for people who lose loved ones...I know how important it can be to be surrounded by friends and family during a tough time, and now so many people are having to face their grief alone.
That sounds like funeral directors are suggesting it. Honestly, I think that is most practical. I wasn't expecting to catch Covid-19 from the body after embalming and such. The concern is other people who might have also been exposed because they live in the same house and/or a different family in the same house that is known to be exposed and some would probably come. And then traveling (a day each way by car, as I prefer driving anyway) and rest stops / food / gas along the way creates hazards as well as a hotel if I can even get one. Nah, it all seems best to look out for myself if I skipped. Only issue is if work would even give bereavement leave in a year or whenever. But can figure that out in the future.2 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »News today is still bad--the North still hasn't hit it's peak, maybe next week. The statistics are saying 1 in 3 are dying in the hospitals. Another question was asked "Why is the death toll proportionately higher in Milan and Brescia (two northern cities) than in the rest of the North?" There is speculation that smog may enter into the equation. Those areas have frequent extremely high smog alerts, especially in the winter. China also has this problem. It may weaken lungs.
Yesterday the toll on doctors was 7 dead. A cashier at a grocery store died of COV19.
Is the elevation higher there, than elsewhere? If so, a decrease of oxygen might be a reason since the air's naturally thinner, the higher above sea level we're.
No, they're on a plain with mountains to the north, the air stagnates.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
By law, we cannot go to funerals or weddings (Italy). They are doing virtual funerals.7 -
I'm about to brave a trip to the grocery store. I read a comment elsewhere that if you can still afford to buy not-the-cheapest foodstuffs, you should, and leave the cheapest things for those who can afford nothing else. The problem is my job situation is not 100% clear right now. My anxiety level is 12/10.
@GaleHawkins I live on the other end of the state from you. It does look like Nashville has become the hotspot for the region with 100+ cases now.12 -
I would hope the family would delay a funeral or memorial. Cremation and memorial at a later date is the best option. I doubt anyone who died of this would want others getting it because of their funeral.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
ETA I wouldn't go if there was one, and no I wouldn't feel like a horrible person.
In Italy there are so many coffins piled up that the military takes them to cremation centers in cities and towns further south. This in the middle of the night. There is a film clip somewhere--it's sobering.The cemeteries are full in the Northern cities.18 -
I'm about to brave a trip to the grocery store. I read a comment elsewhere that if you can still afford to buy not-the-cheapest foodstuffs, you should, and leave the cheapest things for those who can afford nothing else. The problem is my job situation is not 100% clear right now. My anxiety level is 12/10.
@GaleHawkins I live on the other end of the state from you. It does look like Nashville has become the hotspot for the region with 100+ cases now.
Your reasoning to purchase, the cheapest items's definitely valid.
I took Advil for a headache, this morning & with what I've remaining, I chose the no rush delivery at Amazon to help them fill urgent orders but if I didn't have over 10 tablets, I'd have chosen asap.3 -
snowflake954 wrote: »
I would hope the family would delay a funeral or memorial. Cremation and memorial at a later date is the best option. I doubt anyone who died of this would want others getting it because of their funeral.T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
ETA I wouldn't go if there was one, and no I wouldn't feel like a horrible person.
In Italy there are so many coffins piled up that the military takes them to cremation centers in cities and towns further south. This in the middle of the night. There is a film clip somewhere--it's sobering.The cemeteries are full in the Northern cities.
This' a difficult truth, especially if/when many deaths occur within 1 family. 4 members of 1 family within New Jersey died via this, I don't know if they'll even be able to afford to've a funeral or the loss, of their potential income.1 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Because people always forget to stand 6 feet apart during riots.
ETA:
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snowflake954 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
By law, we cannot go to funerals or weddings (Italy). They are doing virtual funerals.
Besides, you don't need a body to have a funeral (although it is an important thing in some cultures). More and more people, even before COVID, have been having a private inurnment or internment shortly after death and plan a memorial for a date a bit more convenient, especially if family is far flung.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
Well, Catholic funerals in Boston have been put on hold https://www.metrowestdailynews.com/news/20200320/boston-archdiocese-to-halt-funerals-starting-monday-because-of-coronavirus
My family has staggered funerals in the past for logistical reasons, for example one in California at the time and one on the East Coast at a more convenient time. There was another one that had a proper funeral at the time and a memorial at a more convenient time.
If I were in charge of a funeral, I would definitely postpone it.3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Because people always forget to stand 6 feet apart during riots.
It's unlikely you'll see riots when people are more preoccupied with the virus because in their minds "it will pass". Humans are a hardy bunch. We're under full curfew and most are handling it just fine, including my family members who I thought would go insane. I hadn't thought about withdrawal being dangerous, and that does make the most sense. Not many people drink alcohol here, and most of the drinkers do it socially, so it didn't cross my mind.6 -
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
Landscape and pool care?
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amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Because people always forget to stand 6 feet apart during riots.
It's unlikely you'll see riots when people are more preoccupied with the virus because in their minds "it will pass". Humans are a hardy bunch. We're under full curfew and most are handling it just fine, including my family members who I thought would go insane. I hadn't thought about withdrawal being dangerous, and that does make the most sense. Not many people drink alcohol here, and most of the drinkers do it socially, so it didn't cross my mind.
Apologies: Intended as a joke, left out LOL emoji.6 -
I'm a volunteer for a national organization which has just launched a collection of Mutual Aid Networks around the United States: https://www.mutualaidhub.org/
I looked at one near me and it had links to where people could request aid or offer aid, such as doing grocery deliveries to elderly people.6 -
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
Landscape and pool care?
Right? This goes back to my earlier point about partial shutdowns. All these things that are considered "essential" and are obviously not essential are destroying the benefit.
Courts are another good example. I know that there are some legal issues that truly cannot wait, but simple lawsuits, minor things like traffic tickets, etc. can all be re-scheduled to a later date. Many courts have judges that are basically on call for situations like where something just cannot wait, so a judge is available nights/weekends anyway. That may be as simple as the police go to his/her house and get a signed warrant or order of some sort. I'm not advocating that people shouldn't be afforded their day in court for situations where normally people have a right to defend themselves in a public trial, but those types of things can be delayed often.3 -
How fine a point do you want to put on it? I live in a neighborhood that has many older people who aren't capable of doing their own lawn care so hire it done. We're not talking "essential for life" here, but health and safety (could become a problem if this were to go long-term). Not really all that different from exterminating or dry cleaning. At least pool and lawn care require no social interaction with the client.rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
Landscape and pool care?
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You jest, but in my area, people are already grumbling about their precious liberties and only being able to buy 2 gallons of milk at a time. (Deep red state, and it hasn't hit hard here yet.)amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Because people always forget to stand 6 feet apart during riots.
It's unlikely you'll see riots when people are more preoccupied with the virus because in their minds "it will pass". Humans are a hardy bunch. We're under full curfew and most are handling it just fine, including my family members who I thought would go insane. I hadn't thought about withdrawal being dangerous, and that does make the most sense. Not many people drink alcohol here, and most of the drinkers do it socially, so it didn't cross my mind.
Apologies: Intended as a joke, left out LOL emoji.12 -
In Detroit (down the road from me), 5 police officers are confirmed positive, and 150-some are quarantined. That's "only" 7% of the force, but apparently it's concentrated in some parts of the city, so requiring some reallocations of personnel. If it gets worse, chief will possibly de-prioritize some less urgent investigative units for full staffing.
Before you start: I'm not catastrophizing about the horrors of Detroit, which tends to have some baggage about being an awful place. It has some serious challenges, but so do many major cities. It's not a unique case study in bad city-hood or something, so don't take this as some dark hint about what may happen in Detroit.
I'm reporting this here because it suggests a potentially high-exposure group I hadn't considered, and I heard the stats from Detroit because it's nearby (source: Michigan Radio, a network of public radio stations that does some excellent reporting in the state).
Here's a piece about a similar topic in Chicago (I think we've only had one police officer reported positive so far).
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-first-responders-20200319-hxfzxfbvo5f7xagipvuqaryfyi-story.html1 -
This Danish supermarket has a solution for hoarding 😄
https://www.boredpanda.com/danish-supermarket-stop-hoarding-hand-sanitizer/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
Not really practical in real life where nobody is forced to wear a badge of shame proclaiming "HOARDER!" while others are able to shop in peace with their "SHOPPING FOR A GROUP!" sashes 😊3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
I cannot understand why alcohol stores would be considered essential either, but I have to admit, I haven't wanted a drink for as long as I can remember, as much as I do now.
A lot of those places I wouldn't consider essential but you can always dig further and reach for reasons why a certain place should remain open.
And I kind of agree with the poster who mentioned isolation being an all or nothing action. There are still too many gaps if we're talking isolation, too many places where people are not taking this seriously. Too many what-if's and not enough information. Many people are still trying to live their normal daily routines and are late in adjusting their thinking to this new way of living.
Has Snowflake shared how Italy has locked down their public services and which ones remain accessible? As well as any other places that have become more stringent with isolating, such as NYC or California, etc.? I'm sorry if I missed it already, I either skipped the info unintentionally(there's been a LOT) or forgot.
Vets are considered essential but there again, a pet care place 15 minutes away, had a client who was sick, and later in the day, confirmed positive. They had to contact all who were exposed. I called my vet yesterday, they've cancelled all non-emergency visits and will take it week by week. I asked about the flea meds.( prescription only)and they've been taking people's orders, placing them in a box outside their door.
So, yes, steps are definitely being taken to decrease exposure but it definitely leaves me feeling like there are still way too many gaps. 2 -
Our little town now has “security” at the grocery store doors, keeping numbers below 23 customers at a time. My husband, who is a higher level manager in the same company but dealing with agriculture fertilizer, seed, equipment, staffing etc. He said people are insane and as much as he hoped to assess the conditions and be able to pass the job to another staff person he is sure he will be in the post for a while. My son, who also works in another area, has been recruited for stocking and cleaning and gets screamed at regularly over meat pkg sizes, and milk limits. It’s a good thing they both have thick skins. Son woke up with a cough this morn. It is fully asthma related, but a day or 3 at home will be good for his mental health. We are all in good spirits, but the thought of this insanity lasting many months is hard. I, like most, am mostly concerned for the low income and single parents in our countries. We have made up an “emergency budget” to implement if my husbands job is put on hold(I am already laid off), only praying we don’t have to resort to that. We are thinking of the world, and making sure our”invincible” teenagers consider others and work to understand all circumstances. Love to everyone fighting finances, personal issues, anxiety, depression, and everything else stressing us out atm!!!15
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I need a badge that says "Shopping for teenagers"This Danish supermarket has a solution for hoarding 😄
https://www.boredpanda.com/danish-supermarket-stop-hoarding-hand-sanitizer/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
Not really practical in real life where nobody is forced to wear a badge of shame proclaiming "HOARDER!" while others are able to shop in peace with their "SHOPPING FOR A GROUP!" sashes 😊
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
I don't know if this is the reasoning at all, but an alcoholic can die from withdrawal.
This, and to have available self-medication for the rest of us, unfortunately.
May I just rant: I work in NJ, and they just closed the libraries!? JFC, PA (or, at least Bucks County and Philly) have had theirs closed for a week now. How many parents took their kids to the library when the schools closed?6 -
I need a badge that says "Shopping for teenagers"This Danish supermarket has a solution for hoarding 😄
https://www.boredpanda.com/danish-supermarket-stop-hoarding-hand-sanitizer/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
Not really practical in real life where nobody is forced to wear a badge of shame proclaiming "HOARDER!" while others are able to shop in peace with their "SHOPPING FOR A GROUP!" sashes 😊
You need a neon yellow sash that screams
"PRIORITY!! SHOPPING FOR TEENAGERS" 😂5 -
Here's what I found:rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
Landscape and pool care?
Since these are things that are done outside, with no customer interaction required, I can see letting these businesses operate. Yes, there is still a risk of co-workers being together, but I think they are just trying to lessen the economic blow for people and save whatever jobs they can.
Plus, as someone pointed out, there are people who are not capable of mowing their own lawns.12
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