Coronavirus prep
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Slowfaster wrote: »@Chef_Barbell I am so sorry to hear that. My son was told this morning after Cuomo's speech that his boss considers him "essential" and to keep reporting to the client's location ( An international Hotel Chain). My son is a project management consulting for a company that does a lot of large real estate construction projects.
LA is supposedly shutting down construction so I am shocked that hotels etc get to keep going as "essential". I could see infrastructure but hotels?
So he will keep going and getting exposed. I just worry that if he is one of the unlucky ones that needs medical intervention he will be *kitten*-out-of-luck as they say. And no one there to get him what he needs to be sick at home.
Stressed for him and all the workers and healthcare employees in NYC.
Whoa now. As I understand it "essential" means these places and people will be allowed to work not that they have to work. My son is a grocery store cashier, as a front line food supply worker his work is considered essential, but he and everyone he works with is free to take leave-of-absence with a guarantee of getting his job back later. No one is, or should be, forced to work during this time if they choose not to take the risk and that includes medical personnel.
And how does one pay the bills? 🤔7 -
My local paper had an article on one of the first people to test positive for Covid-19 here in Florida. Her quarantine ended as all these new measures are being put in place. She shared a log of her experience with the virus by daily breakdown of symptoms. I've seen a few articles where people have come forward about testing positive and sharing their experience/symptoms with the virus.
It's a little weird at work for me. We are already down to just the "essential" people being at work - I believe there's a total of 15 of us in the building now - and yet the days feel like the old normal ones. Except for the anxiety, awareness of distancing, and extra sanitizing measures.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »New Mexico ordered "shelter in place" last night for the entire state. All restaurants and bars are closed except for delivery or pickup. All gyms and other entertainment and recreational facilities are closed. Hotels and such are ordered to remain at half capacity.
Is it really "shelter in place" when non essential businesses aren't ordered to close, though? Just limit as much as possible?
That's why I put it in quotes. None of these orders coming from any of these states are true shelter in place measures. Shelter in place literally means do not leave your home...this terminology was used when I lived in Nebraska and we would get tornado warnings and told to shelter in place because going outside could mean imminent death. If it was truly shelter in place, everything would be off the table regardless of whether or not they are essential.6 -
Slowfaster wrote: »@Chef_Barbell I am so sorry to hear that. My son was told this morning after Cuomo's speech that his boss considers him "essential" and to keep reporting to the client's location ( An international Hotel Chain). My son is a project management consulting for a company that does a lot of large real estate construction projects.
LA is supposedly shutting down construction so I am shocked that hotels etc get to keep going as "essential". I could see infrastructure but hotels?
So he will keep going and getting exposed. I just worry that if he is one of the unlucky ones that needs medical intervention he will be *kitten*-out-of-luck as they say. And no one there to get him what he needs to be sick at home.
Stressed for him and all the workers and healthcare employees in NYC.
Whoa now. As I understand it "essential" means these places and people will be allowed to work not that they have to work. My son is a grocery store cashier, as a front line food supply worker his work is considered essential, but he and everyone he works with is free to take leave-of-absence with a guarantee of getting his job back later. No one is, or should be, forced to work during this time if they choose not to take the risk and that includes medical personnel.
My understanding is that this will be up to the employer. If you're *essential* and your business is allowed to stay open and your employer wants to hold you accountable for not coming to work, they are free to do that.3 -
I work for a manufacturing plant and it's still open. (we don't make anything life essential) All of us "non essential" employees are working from home but the plant workers, and those who directly support them, are still working. Which they seem like they have the highest risk since there's so many of them?!
The daycares are not closed but I decided to keep my kids home anyway. It's not as bad as I thought although I'm definitely not as productive. My 8 month old is super needy.6 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Slowfaster wrote: »@Chef_Barbell I am so sorry to hear that. My son was told this morning after Cuomo's speech that his boss considers him "essential" and to keep reporting to the client's location ( An international Hotel Chain). My son is a project management consulting for a company that does a lot of large real estate construction projects.
LA is supposedly shutting down construction so I am shocked that hotels etc get to keep going as "essential". I could see infrastructure but hotels?
So he will keep going and getting exposed. I just worry that if he is one of the unlucky ones that needs medical intervention he will be *kitten*-out-of-luck as they say. And no one there to get him what he needs to be sick at home.
Stressed for him and all the workers and healthcare employees in NYC.
Whoa now. As I understand it "essential" means these places and people will be allowed to work not that they have to work. My son is a grocery store cashier, as a front line food supply worker his work is considered essential, but he and everyone he works with is free to take leave-of-absence with a guarantee of getting his job back later. No one is, or should be, forced to work during this time if they choose not to take the risk and that includes medical personnel.
And how does one pay the bills? 🤔
That's a separate issue from whether you can be forced to work or not. All this varies from state to state. Texas employers can fire you for not coming in. I know Walmart (where my son works) will not.
My state, Ohio, has said people will be allowed to put off paying utilities for the next few months, so you wont have your heat or water cut off right away. Ohio has also said the state will pay for childcare for "essential" workers. I doubt if your car would be repossessed or your house foreclosed on while this is going on. Same for rent. It's not to your landlord's advantage to evict you during a recession when he may not be able to find a new tenant.
Each person has to decide for themselves based on their financial situation and health risks. My son will probably quit his job soon because he lives with me and my husband and we are both at very high risk if we get the virus.
But if it's possible to quit and squeak by for the next few months I would do it. You can't pay your bills if you're dead.
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Well it’s official, the world is on fire - my county went from 3, to 10, to 30 in two days. Total number of tests which have been completed? 41. So 75% of local tests so far have been positive.
I thought I would share the following information shared by the Tennessee Department of Health, in case there are still young people out there thinking they don’t need to worry about this.
Ages that have been reported for confirmed patients:
10 years old or younger: 3
Between 11 and 20 years old: 12
Between 21 and 30 years old: 72
Between 41 and 50 years old: 47
Between 51 and 60 years old: 26
Between 61 and 70 years old: 16
Between 71 and 80 years old: 13
At least 80 years old: 4
So the majority of cases in Tennessee are in young people. Stay home!!!!!!
In other news, the schools are closed and the free student meals which were being dropped off for those who qualify for the free lunch program have been ended, because the head nutritionist preparing the food is positive for Coronavirus. So, all the school children first, have been eating Virus Meals for who knows how long, and second, will have to do without now. I guess we’ll find out whether the experts who say you are unlikely to catch the virus through food delivery were right.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Well it’s official, the world is on fire - my county went from 3, to 10, to 30 in two days. Total number of tests which have been completed? 41. So 75% of local tests so far have been positive.
I thought I would share the following information shared by the Tennessee Department of Health, in case there are still young people out there thinking they don’t need to worry about this.
Ages that have been reported for confirmed patients:
10 years old or younger: 3
Between 11 and 20 years old: 12
Between 21 and 30 years old: 72
Between 41 and 50 years old: 47
Between 51 and 60 years old: 26
Between 61 and 70 years old: 16
Between 71 and 80 years old: 13
At least 80 years old: 4
So the majority of cases in Tennessee are in young people. Stay home!!!!!!
In other news, the schools are closed and the free student meals which were being dropped off for those who qualify for the free lunch program have been ended, because the head nutritionist preparing the food is positive for Coronavirus. So, all the school children first, have been eating Virus Meals for who knows how long, and second, will have to do without now. I guess we’ll find out whether the experts who say you are unlikely to catch the virus through food delivery were right.
Our percentage of people tested being positive is going to be skewed because currently only those showing symptoms are being tested.7 -
I work for a manufacturing plant and it's still open. (we don't make anything life essential) All of us "non essential" employees are working from home but the plant workers, and those who directly support them, are still working. Which they seem like they have the highest risk since there's so many of them?!
The daycares are not closed but I decided to keep my kids home anyway. It's not as bad as I thought although I'm definitely not as productive. My 8 month old is super needy.
If the plant isn't allowed to work, maybe someone should report it.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Well it’s official, the world is on fire - my county went from 3, to 10, to 30 in two days. Total number of tests which have been completed? 41. So 75% of local tests so far have been positive.
I thought I would share the following information shared by the Tennessee Department of Health, in case there are still young people out there thinking they don’t need to worry about this.
Ages that have been reported for confirmed patients:
10 years old or younger: 3
Between 11 and 20 years old: 12
Between 21 and 30 years old: 72
Between 41 and 50 years old: 47
Between 51 and 60 years old: 26
Between 61 and 70 years old: 16
Between 71 and 80 years old: 13
At least 80 years old: 4
So the majority of cases in Tennessee are in young people. Stay home!!!!!!
In other news, the schools are closed and the free student meals which were being dropped off for those who qualify for the free lunch program have been ended, because the head nutritionist preparing the food is positive for Coronavirus. So, all the school children first, have been eating Virus Meals for who knows how long, and second, will have to do without now. I guess we’ll find out whether the experts who say you are unlikely to catch the virus through food delivery were right.
Our percentage of people tested being positive is going to be skewed because currently only those showing symptoms are being tested.
Yeah but, that means there aren’t a whole bunch of people with other illnesses thinking they have Coronavirus.1 -
I feel for all the parents out there who have to explain this situation to their children... Of everything, I am most concerned about the lasting physiological effects this is going to have on society.6
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Florida's governor just closed down all restaurants (only To-Go and Delivery allowed), all gyms, and any place with a license to sell alcohol can only sell packages drinks to-to.
Beaches are closing - if they weren't already.
They say our total number is 520 right now.... but testing hasn't ramped up yet.
Testing hasn’t ramped because materials to make the tests aren’t readily available. Our governor (Minnesota) just finished a press conference and this was brought up. The federal government has materials and they are distributing it, but it’s slow going as all the states need them.2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »My sister went to the grocery store early in the morning not knowing it was only for seniors. There she saw seniors wearing little homemade masks they'd sewn together. They went there with hope in their hearts only to find bare shelves.
This gutted me. Seriously. Where are you located? If I can help in any way, I'd like to try.7 -
Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.2 -
We visited 12 different stores this afternoon, looking for TP: Walmart, Staples, Target, 4 groceries and 2 pharmacies. All were out. I went online to order and the name brands are all out of stock or say to pick up at the store - but the store has none. I convinced my 80 year old husband to stay in the car after the first couple of stops. When he saw the long lines he was easy to convince. Our regular grocery was out of everything, not just TP. Looking at the empy meat counters and bread aisle was really depressing. DH's comment was, "We've become the USSR."14
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cwolfman13 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Well it’s official, the world is on fire - my county went from 3, to 10, to 30 in two days. Total number of tests which have been completed? 41. So 75% of local tests so far have been positive.
I thought I would share the following information shared by the Tennessee Department of Health, in case there are still young people out there thinking they don’t need to worry about this.
Ages that have been reported for confirmed patients:
10 years old or younger: 3
Between 11 and 20 years old: 12
Between 21 and 30 years old: 72
Between 41 and 50 years old: 47
Between 51 and 60 years old: 26
Between 61 and 70 years old: 16
Between 71 and 80 years old: 13
At least 80 years old: 4
So the majority of cases in Tennessee are in young people. Stay home!!!!!!
In other news, the schools are closed and the free student meals which were being dropped off for those who qualify for the free lunch program have been ended, because the head nutritionist preparing the food is positive for Coronavirus. So, all the school children first, have been eating Virus Meals for who knows how long, and second, will have to do without now. I guess we’ll find out whether the experts who say you are unlikely to catch the virus through food delivery were right.
Our percentage of people tested being positive is going to be skewed because currently only those showing symptoms are being tested.
Yep, it's skewed. Because of the shortage of tests before they were testing only people with "severe" symptoms or a connection to a know victim. As of the weekend they got more tests and loosened it up to anyone with symptoms (although it still requires dr paperwork and is a hassle). As I posted earlier the difference is dramatic, we've gone from 105 to 160 to 288 to 422 to 585 this week (number of cases), mostly ramping up due to more testing.
We just got a shelter in place order (my whole state, I'm in Chicago, IL), starting at 5 pm tomorrow.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »Well it’s official, the world is on fire - my county went from 3, to 10, to 30 in two days. Total number of tests which have been completed? 41. So 75% of local tests so far have been positive.
I thought I would share the following information shared by the Tennessee Department of Health, in case there are still young people out there thinking they don’t need to worry about this.
Ages that have been reported for confirmed patients:
10 years old or younger: 3
Between 11 and 20 years old: 12
Between 21 and 30 years old: 72
Between 41 and 50 years old: 47
Between 51 and 60 years old: 26
Between 61 and 70 years old: 16
Between 71 and 80 years old: 13
At least 80 years old: 4
So the majority of cases in Tennessee are in young people. Stay home!!!!!!
In other news, the schools are closed and the free student meals which were being dropped off for those who qualify for the free lunch program have been ended, because the head nutritionist preparing the food is positive for Coronavirus. So, all the school children first, have been eating Virus Meals for who knows how long, and second, will have to do without now. I guess we’ll find out whether the experts who say you are unlikely to catch the virus through food delivery were right.
Our percentage of people tested being positive is going to be skewed because currently only those showing symptoms are being tested.
Yeah but, that means there aren’t a whole bunch of people with other illnesses thinking they have Coronavirus.
Perhaps, but it sounds like they are doing more to pre-screen people. That makes me think there is still a shortage of tests. Maybe since the USAF brought in 500K test kits from Italy (they landed in Memphis, but then distributed via FedEx), we will see more testing done. In situations where everybody is tested (border entries, cruise ship), it seems to be consistently about 50% of infected people never show symptoms. That is bad because they are carriers without knowing it, but good because the old mortality rate is actually significantly smaller when you add in the asymptomatic unfected people. That puts the mortality rate at around 0.7% of infected people, and a much smaller percentage of the entire population.4 -
I've been WFH starting Tues. and won't be back any earlier than April 6. But some others can't do their jobs from home (factory workers) and will end up with a temporary layoff. As we go back on different days, we were told everyone going in gets screened somehow. I assume they are going to at least take temperature, which puts me in an awkward situation. My temperature normally runs quite low, (I believe because of my thyroid issue). I wonder what they will say when they see it.
I use multiple thermometers and they are always within 0.2 degrees of each other. This was taken this afternoon, so you see why the conversation may be awkward.
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@pinuplove That was very sweet. It doesn't get any better than when we all look out for the seniors.
There was a time when people had to barter. It's gonna come back. Eggs for butter, bread for cereal and so on.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??12 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@pinuplove That was very sweet. It doesn't get any better than when we all look out for the seniors.
There was a time when people had to barter. It's gonna come back. Eggs for butter, bread for cereal and so on.
A friend of mine actually just posted on Facebook looking to swap eggs from her chickens for bread or flour.
One of our supermarket chains in NZ now has a limit of two on virtually all products (same or similar), except fresh produce (which hasn't become an issue here, possibly because we're still at people preparing in case they need to stay home). It's not a supply issue, it's a demand issue. They simply cannot restock the shelves quickly enough. Same supermarket has also shortened its opening hours (which blows a hole in my plan for stealth missions at 9.30 at night when it's quiet as). On the plus side, all the supermarkets are desperate for more staff, which gives jobs to people in tourism or hospitality who may be without work now.5 -
I was just at my local grocery which was nuts due to the shelter in place order we just got, but nothing was actually low or unavailable. I think just trust in your supply chain for things like food and paper products. I'm more worried about amazon shortages for computer stuff.3
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??
In the current form, yes. Even if you disagree about that, there is nothing inherent in the reaction (whether you think it is proper or not) by itself that proves or disproves whether it is overdone or not. So to make the point, "Things are being done, so that proves that doing things is not an over-reaction" still isn't a good point.
ETA: FTR, I've been in the "shut everything down" group for a few days, though will acknowledge I've been less vocal here than other social media. It is my view, though, that you either do nothing (lots of death, less economic loss) or you shut everything down and everybody stays home except a few essential workers (much less death, lots of economic loss). The current practices are providing plenty of economic loss without enough reduction in mortality to be worthwhile. Why should we push for the worst of both health and economic outcomes?! So I am in the "everybody stay home" camp as long as it is absolutely everybody (except a very few who are truly needed to respond). Since that isn't happening, closing half of things down is an over-reaction that just leads to economic losses and delays suffering. Someone like me is very likely to die in the future when I get laid off and can't afford insulin. I'm all for saving lives, but that means everyone stays home and there will need to be some economic relief to save lives as well.6 -
My sister, an RN, works at the AFB in Vegas. They have some cases there now. My mom, since passed, was an RN. I have a sister that is an RN, a Sister-in-Law, three nieces and a Brother in Law (that now runs a heart hospital) that will all be right there -- all nurses. And one of my other nieces is a Hospital chaplain. Another nephew a hospital security guard. So that might explain some of my concerns. A few of them thought it was overblown early. Now they are preparing for an onslaught, and quite honestly, scared quite a bit.11
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My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.6
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pancakerunner wrote: »I feel for all the parents out there who have to explain this situation to their children... Of everything, I am most concerned about the lasting physiological effects this is going to have on society.
My daughter in SF wanted to take the kids out for a (safe) walk yesterday and my 7 year old grandson started crying because he was scared to go outside. I lost a little piece of my heart. 😥28 -
I was just at my local grocery which was nuts due to the shelter in place order we just got, but nothing was actually low or unavailable. I think just trust in your supply chain for things like food and paper products. I'm more worried about amazon shortages for computer stuff.
I stopped at my local grocery. The TP was out and the selection of bread was a bit thin, both of which I expected. What I didn't expect was how little flour was available. I am getting a bit bored so I am starting a sourdough starter and thought I would load up on a bit more flour. I had a choice between one brand of all purpose, one self rising, or 2 brands of bread flour. I just needed 5 lb of all purpose so I wasn't going to be picky.
A couple of other changes: they were only selling coffee pre-packaged. The bulk bins were sealed off. They also are asking that you not bring in reusable bags or if you do, that you bag your own groceries to lessen any transference to the checkers/baggers.
I suspect that the hoarding has lessened but that the supply chains are disrupted. Maybe within a few days the stores will start to have reasonable stocks again.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »My sister, an RN, works at the AFB in Vegas. They have some cases there now. My mom, since passed, was an RN. I have a sister that is an RN, a Sister-in-Law, three nieces and a Brother in Law (that now runs a heart hospital) that will all be right there -- all nurses. And one of my other nieces is a Hospital chaplain. Another nephew a hospital security guard. So that might explain some of my concerns. A few of them thought it was overblown early. Now they are preparing for an onslaught, and quite honestly, scared quite a bit.
Ms. Vito: Well my father was a mechanic. His father was a mechanic. My mother's father was a mechanic. My three brothers are mechanics. Four uncles on my father's side are mechanics --
Trotter: Miss Vito, your family is obviously qualified. But have you ever worked as a mechanic?
(I'm sorry, I couldn't resist)7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??
In the current form, yes. Even if you disagree about that, there is nothing inherent in the reaction (whether you think it is proper or not) by itself that proves or disproves whether it is overdone or not. So to make the point, "Things are being done, so that proves that doing things is not an over-reaction" still isn't a good point.
ETA: FTR, I've been in the "shut everything down" group for a few days, though will acknowledge I've been less vocal here than other social media. It is my view, though, that you either do nothing (lots of death, less economic loss) or you shut everything down and everybody stays home except a few essential workers (much less death, lots of economic loss). The current practices are providing plenty of economic loss without enough reduction in mortality to be worthwhile. Why should we push for the worst of both health and economic outcomes?! So I am in the "everybody stay home" camp as long as it is absolutely everybody (except a very few who are truly needed to respond). Since that isn't happening, closing half of things down is an over-reaction that just leads to economic losses and delays suffering. Someone like me is very likely to die in the future when I get laid off and can't afford insulin. I'm all for saving lives, but that means everyone stays home and there will need to be some economic relief to save lives as well.
Okay, thank you for that explanation
It actually sounds to me more like you think the measures are an under reaction, though (ie you're on Team "shut everything down with economic relief"). I would tend to agree that a lot of what is happening in many countries is a half-assed approach. 6
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