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I was just at CVS, I didn't purchase anything because it isn't affordable for me, at their regular prices but they did've some toilet paper, Lysol wipes & soup cans.5
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I saw this in a private group and thought it was a great idea. Will work for any of your favorite service providers that are getting slammed!
"Fear of the Corona virus is keeping people away from restaurants, who usually operate on small margins. This emergency is having a direct effect on the business owners and the people that work there. So here's something you can do to help:
Go to your favorite restaurant and buy a gift certificate (or preferably, get it online if possible). Buy it directly from the restaurant, so they get the use of your money for a month or two. Then when things have settled down, treat your special people to an evening out and use your certificate!"
We can all do something on a small scale that may help on a larger scale.
This would also be a great time for a donation to our local food banks, for those of us who are lucky enough to not be over-stressed financially by the current situation, so can afford a few bucks. Many accept online donations, so "social distancing" is possible, and even small amounts add up
Thinking about this thread right here, I posted the following on Facebook last night:Whether you believe there's a "real" crisis or not: If you're feeling kinda OK for your own self, it's *always* a good time for a li'l donation to your local food bank - any one you like. (Money is good - so flexible, for them.) The next few weeks will be a big, unusual challenge for some families. Little bits can help.
Any of our local (name of city) groups will take your money, one of 'em here (at least they took mine).
. . . with a direct link to the secure donation page.
Few COVID -19 confirmed cases still, here . . . but many facilities closed, tipped service people's tips shrinking, unexpected day care costs happening. The need is already here. (A friend who volunteers at ours commented that yes, their inventories are low, and that their bulk buying power multiplies the value of money gifts.)
Also hoping messages like this might give social media a tiny bit of push toward the pro-social. A li'l ol' lady can dream, right?
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The county I live in here in Georgia currently has the highest number of confirmed cases in the state (which doubled overnight). I had to go to the grocery store yesterday morning. Given how packed it was, I'm hoping the speculation that it isn't spread through casual contact, rather prolonged exposure, is accurate.6
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Our numbers in N.C. jumped from 17 the last time I checked last night to 23 this morning. Our county announced our first one yesterday afternoon. I’m having a time getting my head wrapped around how rapidly this seems to be accelerating, not just here, but all over.4
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In Northern Ireland we now have 34 confirmed cases, the shelves in most shops are practically bare and the first minister has just announced that when schools close here it will be for 16 weeks! She hasn’t said when schools will close but there are only around that many weeks until the summer holidays.5
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We don't have any confirmed local cases that we know of in the country right now, but the man who was cleared recently spent a few days in the country before he showed symptoms and self-reported (was in Italy). The government is taking preventative measures in case he did spread it to someone. All air traffic will stop. All schools and universities are closing, no gatherings of any kind (including religious - no church services or group prayers at mosques). They're also closing all bars, gyms, and cinemas. Tourist attractions are closing for a few days to be disinfected. I'm glad they're taking action early.13
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amusedmonkey, you're in NZ?
Your border protection is probably the best in the world. I hope all goes well.4 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »Our numbers in N.C. jumped from 17 the last time I checked last night to 23 this morning. Our county announced our first one yesterday afternoon. I’m having a time getting my head wrapped around how rapidly this seems to be accelerating, not just here, but all over.
I don't know whether this is reassuring (it shouldn't be, really), and I don't in any way mean to be saying "it's overblown" (it's not), but here in the US, the late roll-out of test kits, now being improved upon, is just statistically likely to give us very quick confirmed-case increases.
Sure, it's partly an effect of the disease contagion, but also an effect of the fact that increasing numbers of people who should be tested (and should've been tested before this) are finally starting to be tested now.
If you look at stories from some of the other countries with somewhat delayed testing, there's a similar effect. It settles out - still to a worrisome rate, but it becomes clear that the early days' reports had statistical distortions in them. We won't have a clear numerical picture, for a bit.20 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »Our numbers in N.C. jumped from 17 the last time I checked last night to 23 this morning. Our county announced our first one yesterday afternoon. I’m having a time getting my head wrapped around how rapidly this seems to be accelerating, not just here, but all over.
I don't know whether this is reassuring (it shouldn't be, really), and I don't in any way mean to be saying "it's overblown" (it's not), but here in the US, the late roll-out of test kits, now being improved upon, is just statistically likely to give us very quick confirmed-case increases.
Sure, it's partly an effect of the disease contagion, but also an effect of the fact that increasing numbers of people who should be tested (and should've been tested before this) are finally starting to be tested now.
If you look at stories from some of the other countries with somewhat delayed testing, there's a similar effect. It settles out - still to a worrisome rate, but it becomes clear that the early days' reports had statistical distortions in them. We won't have a clear numerical picture, for a bit.
^^This.
We jumped from 79 to 101 in Ontario last night. What is of relevance is there's almost 1000 tests pending results. When these come back, I expect the numbers to jump yet again. I take comfort that it looks like more testing is being done, in that it's a devil-you-know scenario that more cases are being identified that likely were going under the radar previously.11 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »Our numbers in N.C. jumped from 17 the last time I checked last night to 23 this morning. Our county announced our first one yesterday afternoon. I’m having a time getting my head wrapped around how rapidly this seems to be accelerating, not just here, but all over.
I don't know whether this is reassuring (it shouldn't be, really), and I don't in any way mean to be saying "it's overblown" (it's not), but here in the US, the late roll-out of test kits, now being improved upon, is just statistically likely to give us very quick confirmed-case increases.
Sure, it's partly an effect of the disease contagion, but also an effect of the fact that increasing numbers of people who should be tested (and should've been tested before this) are finally starting to be tested now.
If you look at stories from some of the other countries with somewhat delayed testing, there's a similar effect. It settles out - still to a worrisome rate, but it becomes clear that the early days' reports had statistical distortions in them. We won't have a clear numerical picture, for a bit.
I was wondering about that, when they were giving death toll percentages; how does it affect that percentage when you start factoring in all the people who have a mild version that we don't even know about?
I just checked the CDC map for the US, and WV still does not have any confirmed cases. And yet, the stores in my area are about empty. I like to use cashew milk and the only place I can get it is Krogers in the county seat. I was shocked when I pulled into their parking lot at 9:30 AM to see that EVERY parking spot in the lot was full! Much of the produce aisle had been wiped out, and 3/4's of the organic milks, including my unsweetened cashew milk, were gone. I had to settle for an unsweetened cashew/almond blend. The canned goods were going fast, I was lucky to get a couple of packs of my shelf-stable horizon milks (there were only 3 packs left), and there wasn't a single bag of flour in the store, and very little sugar. And of course, there was absolutely no toilet paper, napkins, or paper towels at all, and only a couple of boxes of tissues. I didn't go to the milk or bread aisle. I warned my poor sister who was going into work there about the crowds, but told her that it should dwindle down as the evening goes on, because with the rate things are getting wiped out, there won't be anything left to sell!
I also stopped at Walmart as I needed cat litter and was still looking for an elusive bag of flour, and all they had left was a couple of bags of King Arthur all-purpose and bread flour. Thankfully, I prefer to use all purpose, so I grabbed a bag of both - I also like to make my own bread. I didn't check the paper products aisle, but figure they were pretty well decimated, too.
My mom called me after I got home as she had gone to the local store on our end of the county and was needing flour and potatoes and had hoped I was still at the county seat. She said the local Krogers on this end of the county had no flour at all, no potatoes, and that the canned goods were wiped out.
And we don't have a confirmed case yet!
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moogie_fit wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »My OH keeps telling me to stock up on Fritos
I've been seeing stories like these, which are encouraging me to start stocking up for the eventuality of price increases or temporary shortages:- P&G Says 17,600 Products Could Be Affected By Coronavirus In China, Highlighting Supply Chain Risk
- I heard stories about panic buying in New York and Washington states on the news, so I do not have the exact links.
I'm thinking about shelf stable milk. I think reconstituted powdered milk is gross, but have had some ascetic milk that wasn't bad. Don't remember the brand. Anyone have recommendations for brands and best place to buy for best prices?
I was in south Florida for the dreadful 2005 hurricane season, so I believe in preparing for times when stores are not available, although as time has passed, I've done less stocking up.
Buy protein powder a better investment then shelf stable milk
I do have protein powder, for protein powder.
I bought shelf stable milk, for milk.10 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »And you can tell its election season:
I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....
I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?
I'm a volunteer for the Town Hall project, and for that I subscribe to the newsletters of the representatives I cover. For the most part, they have sent at least one coronavirus-related email. (So has my bank, insurance company, supermarket, etc.) While I am of course not privy to the exact content of your voice mail, I saw the tone of all the messages I'm receiving as meant to be reassuring, not self-serving.
I do think an email with links to more information would be a better way to convey info than a robocall, but <shrug>.
ETA: I checked my email after posting this and had another email from a bank and another from a representative. That last was 647 words and full of information and links.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey, you're in NZ?
Your border protection is probably the best in the world. I hope all goes well.
No, I'm in Jordan, but I'm feeling hopeful because both the government and the people are taking this seriously. I'm also glad I'm not seeing any examples of extreme toilet paper hoarding lol - I still don't understand why toilet paper specifically.9 -
I just talked with a friend who was on a river cruise in Europe when the border closure was announced. Her ship had been hanging off the coast of Italy for a few days while they decided how to proceed.
Since it wasn't clear if US citizens would be blocked from reentering and her ship had no cases of coronavirus she managed to get to California (Newark) Friday morning. She said no one was screened for elevated temperature getting off the plane or leaving the airport.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey, you're in NZ?
Your border protection is probably the best in the world. I hope all goes well.
No, I'm in Jordan, but I'm feeling hopeful because both the government and the people are taking this seriously. I'm also glad I'm not seeing any examples of extreme toilet paper hoarding lol - I still don't understand why toilet paper specifically.
I wish I had a link, but there was a kind of convincing comment on BBC World Service last night from a guest in an expert-talk segment.
He advanced an idea (that I won't clearly present here becaus it was kinda nuanced and I was listening while doing other stuff ).
The idea was that it has something to do with hard-wired fears of disease, association of disgust with disease, association of excretory functions with disgust, plus association of hygiene/cleanliness with self-protection/disease-avoidance . . . all at a sub-rational level. Then, poof, in a pandemic, we all go racing out to buy TP.
Maybe? 10 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey, you're in NZ?
Your border protection is probably the best in the world. I hope all goes well.
No, I'm in Jordan, but I'm feeling hopeful because both the government and the people are taking this seriously. I'm also glad I'm not seeing any examples of extreme toilet paper hoarding lol - I still don't understand why toilet paper specifically.
Oh, well I was only off by half a globe.
I'm glad you're feeling safe. It's weird here in Seattle.
I did go back and read about H1N1 and SARS just to do a comparison. I was not paying any attention during either of those outbreaks.5 -
Why is the UK government is taking this slow approach??
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-518659153 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey, you're in NZ?
Your border protection is probably the best in the world. I hope all goes well.
No, I'm in Jordan, but I'm feeling hopeful because both the government and the people are taking this seriously. I'm also glad I'm not seeing any examples of extreme toilet paper hoarding lol - I still don't understand why toilet paper specifically.
I wish I had a link, but there was a kind of convincing comment on BBC World Service last night from a guest in an expert-talk segment.
He advanced an idea (that I won't clearly present here becaus it was kinda nuanced and I was listening while doing other stuff ).
The idea was that it has something to do with hard-wired fears of disease, association of disgust with disease, association of excretory functions with disgust, plus association of hygiene/cleanliness with self-protection/disease-avoidance . . . all at a sub-rational level. Then, poof, in a pandemic, we all go racing out to buy TP.
Maybe?
Kinda makes sense, although I can't really make that connection in my mind. I haven't felt the urge to buy toilet paper.
I was at the grocery shop today. Some shelves look a bit less stocked than usual, including toilet paper, but no empty shelves or long lines. Rice, sugar, flour, and beans seemed to have the most traffic. Bread bakeries are being hit the hardest by panicked people. Everyone wants to stock up on bread.4 -
I was at Trader Joe's this morning in LA (south bay) area. It was weird. People were shopping quickly instead of the usual meandering they do. Pretty much all meat and frozen veg/meals and canned goods were gone. There was plenty of milk and yogurt, but no soy milk. There were still eggs and bread, but I think they'll be sold out soon. The produce section looked like a normal day so apparently people aren't stocking up on fresh fruit and veg.
I think in a quarantine or zombie apocalypse junk food is critical, but the chips were as well stocked as a normal day, and there was plenty of ice cream available. The woman in line ahead of me seemed to be having some sort of minor panic attack over the lack of bottled water.
For Catholics, the Archbishop of Los Angeles has dispensed with the obligation to go to mass the next 3 Sundays. I don't see anything about that on the archdiocese website, but my parish put out a notice. I'm still trying to decide if I will go. I've had what I am about 99% certain is the flu and I'm almost recovered, but I'm not sure I can make it through mass without coughing at least once and I don't want to cause a panic.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »amusedmonkey, you're in NZ?
Your border protection is probably the best in the world. I hope all goes well.
No, I'm in Jordan, but I'm feeling hopeful because both the government and the people are taking this seriously. I'm also glad I'm not seeing any examples of extreme toilet paper hoarding lol - I still don't understand why toilet paper specifically.
I wish I had a link, but there was a kind of convincing comment on BBC World Service last night from a guest in an expert-talk segment.
He advanced an idea (that I won't clearly present here becaus it was kinda nuanced and I was listening while doing other stuff ).
The idea was that it has something to do with hard-wired fears of disease, association of disgust with disease, association of excretory functions with disgust, plus association of hygiene/cleanliness with self-protection/disease-avoidance . . . all at a sub-rational level. Then, poof, in a pandemic, we all go racing out to buy TP.
Maybe?
Kinda makes sense, although I can't really make that connection in my mind. I haven't felt the urge to buy toilet paper.
I was at the grocery shop today. Some shelves look a bit less stocked than usual, including toilet paper, but no empty shelves or long lines. Rice, sugar, flour, and beans seemed to have the most traffic. Bread bakeries are being hit the hardest by panicked people. Everyone wants to stock up on bread.
Clearly Jordanians are more sensible than the rest of the world!!
The TP thing is a sort of self fulfilling prophesy - some people start to buy in excess because who knows why the things Ann mentioned, it maybe gives a sense of control, etc, then fear of a shortage makes other people think they'd better stock up too, and thus actual shortage. Often when there is absolutely zero chance of actual shortage. Like, no one needs a trolley full of loo paper for two weeks, or even a month.
People who are worried about not being able to get yoghurt - make your own. It's ridiculously easy, you can use milk powder or shelf stable milk instead of fresh, and it is way, way cheaper.
I'm curious to see the effects of NZ's increased border control measures on the whole grocery shopping thing, whether people will feel reassured enough that we're not going to have what happened in Italy happen here, and ease up. Not that I've really seen any evidence of mass panic buying in my small town, other than loo paper having to be constantly restocked, but I think there's been more of it in Auckland, where all the cases are so far. People there went nuts as soon as the first case was announced.4
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