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I mentioned in the first few pages that I thought there might be some supplements that could come in handy. Understand, supplements aren't proven. However, I did see just yesterday that there's a COVID-19 trial seeing if AHCC, a mushroom derivative, can slow down the progression of the virus. The entire reason they are exploring this is it's unsure if drug manufacturers will be able to keep up (and in my case, we likely wouldn't even be able to get in a hospital). Many coconut derivatives also have proven to slow down OTHER viruses, but it's unclear if they will help with the Coronavirus (Monolaurin, SF 722 by Thorne and Caprylic Acid). Again these are all untested, but if someone in my family would get it, I'm throwing these at it quickly. We don't have many hospitals where I live and a very extreme senior population. Because many of them have believed, until very recently, that it's a media hoax, they have not listened to the calls to self isolate. So here, it's shaping like a colossal disaster unless warmer weather slows it dramatically.
Someone said they hoped they will come up with antivirals that help. They have already found a few. The issue is they don't have enough right now to possibly keep up with the demand.
My wife is somewhat immunocompromised (but she's relatively healthy now), so I'm not taking any chances and working to be as prepared as I can for her health.
I agree with you T1DCarn, I changed my entire health years ago and I'm glad I did. But for many, they can't flip a switch in one month to become healthy. Certainly, try to eat better and maintain fitness as best as you all can.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.
I hope it turns out to go away in summer, but in that it seems to be doing fine in FL I'm not placing a lot of stock in that idea.6 -
So last week I got an email at work asking employees to stop stealing the hand sanitizer gel and toilet paper. Today I was washing my hands in a public toilet and the hand wash had been gaffer taped to the wall.6
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Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.8 -
Y’all my husband found tp and someone stole it out of his cart when his back was turned for a moment! We hit the store right as it opened and by the time we left dozens of people were asking about the tP and someone just pinched it. He was watching it like a hawk too, they were sly.
We did get bread because we were lucky and arrived just as the Dave’s bread truck pulled in. No meat though, or rather only weird meat. We even got Tylenol. No sign of purell or alcohol.10 -
kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.
I've heard others saying it for quite a bit longer. It's one of those "tomorrow will never come" stories, right? As long as you say "2 weeks" every day for the next several months, it can never be proven wrong.
What they've been saying is that we are following Italy's track, which of course has changed over time. I've seen nothing that disputes that.
Re the Monday statement from the surgeon general:
US surgeon general: US cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago
by: Associated Press
Posted: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT / Updated: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT
WASHINGTON — The U.S. surgeon general said Monday that the number of coronavirus cases in the United States has reached the level that Italy recorded two weeks ago, a sign that infections are expected to rise in America as the government steps up testing and financial markets continue to fall.
“We are at a critical inflection point in this country, people. We are where Italy was two weeks ago in terms of our numbers,” U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told Fox News. “When you look at the projections, there’s every chance that we could be Italy.”
Two weeks ago, there were 1,700 cases of coronavirus in Italy and the country had reported 34 deaths. Now, Italy is reporting an estimated 25,000 cases and more than 1,800 people have died. There are about 3,800 cases reported in the United States and so far, more than 65 people have died from coronavirus.
Read more: https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/us-surgeon-general-us-cases-are-where-italy-was-2-weeks-ago/
CDC says 7000 cases in US and 97 deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
However Johns Hopkins says, 7300 and 115 deaths. Ok that’s not the difference I thought I saw the other day... https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html . Anyway I’m probably missing the point about Italy, we’re way past the 1700 unless that’s adjusted per capita.
I would think adjusting per capita would be the right approach. But I don't think you can say precisely how many days behind we are and it likely varies some across the US given how big we are.
Our numbers (in my city and state) are jumping quickly right now in response to increased testing (and we already had a lot more testing than a lot of places). I'm trying to remind myself it's just confirming what we already knew was the case--lots of unconfirmed cases had to be out there.
Saw a guesstimate that for every one positive there are 50 unconfirmed due to testing limitations. So, I give up. Guess y’all can have my tp. 🤪 dh is concerned about looting. Said liquor stores are closed. I mean.. maybe? Can’t that be bought else where? Or made? Or traded? Not everyone is a mad alcoholic, right? And what do I care if they loot the liquor store? Is he asking me out on a date? 🤔
I was tempted to speed through town today. That cop really gonna pull me over if I play the choking, wheezing I travel for work card? Heck the Walmart kid wouldn’t even let me sign for my pick up order. What’s the cop gonna do when I put my license in my mouth before I sign that citation? Haha! I may be cooped up a bit.
I saw the number yesterday of 83% of the infected do not even know it so the number is very high and why it is so risky to be out and come back into the house since it has such a long "hang time". Lows last night was 60F with rain so that is a good think but 80F would be harder on the corona spreading.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.
Can we trade PM's? She has done an amazing job since being elected with this, natural disasters, a terrorist attack and all while being a new mum too. I do admire her really.
We really need to clone her, don't we? Jacinda for Supreme World Leader?
As much as I am horrified by the speed at which things are happening now*, I actually feel pretty safe. A big part of that (okay, all of that) is because of the steps our government has taken.
*I read an article today comparing this pandemic to the one depicted in the film Contagion (we should all thank our lucky stars that this isn't much, much worse), written a week ago. The death toll was 4100. It's now more than double that. In a week.
Hey! My (almost exact) sentiments almost got this thread shut down a few days go
Worth reading an article that was released today re Australian's most trusted leaders...Guess who tops the list? I won't link it in case it's deemed too political *google
I live in an Australian capital city. Our team has started working from home today. We have given access to our building to another team who work in close quarters to enable them to spread out more. We have also given them access to our car spaces to limit at-risk employees using public transport.
I work in events management (education sector). These last few weeks have been brutal and demoralising as I've successively canceled event after event. It's necessary and right but it hurts. Almost 2 years of work have gone into some of these events. BUT I don't regret any of it. No life is worth sacrificing for a gathering.8 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.
I figure that porch pirates're gonna specifically seek Amazon Pantry {was previously: Prime Pantry}, labeled boxes.2 -
As I was typing my above comment, a notice was put within my door that my apartment complex's restricting visitors to only those that provide healthcare.5
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moonangel12 wrote: »Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.
I still think the deaths from economic losses will be greater than the deaths from the virus. It will be difficult or impossible to measure and won't happen as soon, but between homelessness, robberies, inability to afford basics like shelter, food, and medicine; this really concerns me. I'm conserving (and protecting) resources for now.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I mentioned in the first few pages that I thought there might be some supplements that could come in handy. Understand, supplements aren't proven. However, I did see just yesterday that there's a COVID-19 trial seeing if AHCC, a mushroom derivative, can slow down the progression of the virus. The entire reason they are exploring this is it's unsure if drug manufacturers will be able to keep up (and in my case, we likely wouldn't even be able to get in a hospital). Many coconut derivatives also have proven to slow down OTHER viruses, but it's unclear if they will help with the Coronavirus (Monolaurin, SF 722 by Thorne and Caprylic Acid). Again these are all untested, but if someone in my family would get it, I'm throwing these at it quickly. We don't have many hospitals where I live and a very extreme senior population. Because many of them have believed, until very recently, that it's a media hoax, they have not listened to the calls to self isolate. So here, it's shaping like a colossal disaster unless warmer weather slows it dramatically.
Someone said they hoped they will come up with antivirals that help. They have already found a few. The issue is they don't have enough right now to possibly keep up with the demand.
My wife is somewhat immunocompromised (but she's relatively healthy now), so I'm not taking any chances and working to be as prepared as I can for her health.
I agree with you T1DCarn, I changed my entire health years ago and I'm glad I did. But for many, they can't flip a switch in one month to become healthy. Certainly, try to eat better and maintain fitness as best as you all can.
@MikePfirrman you make a good point but not a lot of people are into eating plant based foods with know antiviral properties for one reason or another.
COVID-19 is not very dangerous to people without health issues we know. I to am thankful with the help of MFP posters I was able to find a Way Of Eating that freed me from Rx meds and gave me back my needed health 5 years ago since I am now 69.
Any way of eating that we can do that reduces our daily viral load increases of odds of never having COVID-19 or a fast recovery if we get it.
Yesterday UPS brought my Amazon order of health supplements in one smaller box that I could pack with ease and that $900 order contained 4 more jars of EV coconut oil. Amazon has stated they are running out of more and more things so since we are told to prepare for this to be a 6-18 month event I am trying to build up a six month supply of supplements of all kind especially mission critical things like magnesium, etc.
Thankfully exposure risks are dropping with most places where people can meet are closed. Since I am out taking the wife to work I can see the traffic is light and McDonald's parking lot is empty.
Keep eating to prevent a premature death and I think that is about the only thing is known to work.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.
I hope it turns out to go away in summer, but in that it seems to be doing fine in FL I'm not placing a lot of stock in that idea.
I agree with the case of FL. UV is the best to kill the virus I read. I think warmer temps and higher humidity just shortens its life in the air and on surfaces. I am the guardian of a 76 year old guy living in a nursing home that is on lock down. I waved at him the other day when I took him some Insure and paid his rent. A staff member came out to get the check and Insure. Since he grew up without hearing and never went to school it concerns me since he can not speak or hear because things like COVID-19 can not be explained to him very well even though he is very bright.
My point was on lock down if the virus gets inside its concentration will just get higher and higher. We at the house have to get outside into the fresh air taking care of the cats, dogs and mini horses (one is about to foal any day now). Being able to breath air where there are no humans other than the three of us is a good thing I think. The son and his wife brought us more animal food a couple days ago but we were outside in a warm breeze with no touching.
As we all learn to lower our risk of getting/spreading disease the faster this issue will go away hopefully. People will have COVID-19 all summer and we can expect the winter of 2020-2021 to be bad once again.5 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »Blood type might indicate, whom the virus affects most & worst:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/people-with-blood-type-a-more-vulnerable-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11kJ4Y?;ocid=ientp&li=AA4RE4&pfr=1
This may be dumb, but it's somewhat related and it might be fun trivia. So I'm emetophobic (fear of vomiting) and in my research years ago I read that types A and O are more susceptible to norovirus (that nasty bug that makes you puke out both ends). Something about the proteins in the various types being more or less hospitable to the virus replication. Some genetic thing... Anyway, I was super excited to read that my type B is resistant to norovirus. You rarely get it, but if you do its mild. AB types are neither resistant nor more susceptible. 🤮3 -
Interesting on the way in this morning. Had to answer some questions about symptoms and exposure and have my temp scanned before coming into the building. Given instructions to monitor symptoms and temp twice daily and to log them on the intranet Employee Health program. This is new. A week ago only those exposed to patients undergoing testing were doing this and now we all are. I think I appreciate my facility for making us take these extra steps, as I still have people in my group that don't think this is a big deal. (Some days I can't even...)
I had to go to the local WallyHell on the way home yesterday to pick up some essentials...Dog food, peanut butter and some soup for my husband, who, bless him, has the flu. Still no wipes, still no spray. Ok, no big deal. I grabbed some cheap paper towels and can make homemade, if need be. But on my way to the register, some hoarding heifer came out of nowhere and rammed me. Evidently I was between her and the food she so desperately needed to put in her already overflowing cart. (I mean, who needs ten boxes of 3 or 4 types of kids' cereal and all the gatorade?) Let me add, also cleared out were the meat, cheese and coldcut sections. People! Really?
Again, some days I just can't. *sigh*10 -
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/three-members-of-the-same-new-jersey-family-die-after-contracting-coronavirus/
As people read stories like this it will help some better understand the need for social isolation and that COCID-19 is more than an over hyped story.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/three-members-of-the-same-new-jersey-family-die-after-contracting-coronavirus/
As people read stories like this it will help some better understand the need for social isolation and that COCID-19 is more than an over hyped story.
This is incredibly sad.
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If this is accurate, this would be a game changer in two ways. One, it would allow those that have had it to again work and help others. Secondly, it would also allow them to take their antibodies and use them to develop a potential "stop gap" vaccine, for lack of better phrases. There has been a lot being thrown around about developing a vaccine from those that have recovered, utilizing their antibodies. Again, I'm not a scientist, so I have absolutely no idea how they do that but reportedly they are working furiously on that. Because once you have the antibodies to defend yourself, it would more (at that point) resemble a common flu. But no one has immunity yet to this -- our kids will in the future, but adults don't.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-immunity-test-090033681.html4 -
I just saw a video that was posted of people from Italy giving a message to themselves of 10 days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMY0-4p9P-M
I found myself tearing up a bit watching this.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »OK - so I have an idea. Instead of relying on health officials to do all the legwork. How about we all keep a daily diary of the places we have been and the people we have been in contact with. That way if we do come down with the virus, we already have everything concisely in one place to notify others quickly to try to contain the spread. I know if someone from work called me and said, hey I just got tested positive and am sick, I would take a LOT stronger measures as far as my movements and letting others around me know.
Google already knows all of this about us. Even if you have an iPhone, Google Maps collects location data in the background - that's why they make it for iPhone.
If anybody asks them too, they can query their data to find out who's been in the same place at the same time with you. As long as you both have your phones, which covers most people. I hope they're doing that.
you're assuming everyone has a phone connected to the internet at all times. I know quite a few folks who barely have a cell phone, let alone a smart phone.
Your carrier knows your location (historically as well as current) so long as your phone is on and you're within an area that has service (not a dead zone). Even if you have a flip phone.
I live in West Virginia - 3/4's of the state is a dead zone
My town is that way; on both ends, you can get maybe 2 bars, but turn a curve, and you lose it. My coverage in my house is spotty at best, and my mom has to go to her kitchen in the back of the house to get coverage, and most carriers don't even register here.
my best friend and I were talking about this last night, and she's in the camp that the government is over-reacting and that the economic impacts are going to cause more deaths in the long run than if we'd just continued as we were and let the virus take its course; she saying its killing small businesses because of the shutdown. She's also concerned about the recession that seems to be imminent; she says that's going to increase the death toll because of suicides due to massive losses in the stock market.
I tried to point out that even if we did just continue as is and not shut everything down, there still would have been major economic impacts because when 3/4's of the population comes down with it at one time, who's going to be coming into work in those stores and who would be left to go shopping in them? The virus itself would eventually create a mass shutdown on its own. I also can't get her to understand the need to flatten the curve or that by not trying to slow down the hospitalizations, we would not only be having deaths from coronovirus, but deaths among people who have other conditions as well since they'd be competing with the virus victims for the same limited resources.
Thus in my mind's eye, once this became a pandemic, it was going to cause economic chaos no matter how the governments handled it, and it was going to created massive losses and ressessions in most countries anyway.
She keeps pointing out that this isn't dangerous for younger people so all this government shutdown isnt' necessary; its a topic that we just have to agree to disagree on.
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My 80 year old husband is getting cabin fever, already. So this morning he headed out on a TP hunt. Still no luck, but he brought back a lot of other stuff we don't need and that aren't in short supply. How many cans of Spam do we really need?19
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