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lightenup2016 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Blood type might indicate, whom the virus affects most & worst:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/people-with-blood-type-a-more-vulnerable-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11kJ4Y?;ocid=ientp&li=AA4RE4&pfr=1
I saw this headline this morning and was initially concerned, since my husband and kids are all type A (I'm type O). But in reading over the study results, the evidence doesn't look all that convincing. Definitely would need more research before I'd worry much over it. Of course, kids are seemingly unaffected anyway, but for my husband, anyway.
You're correct, there isn't certainty yet but as an A, it'll still remain a concern of mine unless there's definitive proof otherwise.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, what I’m praying for at this moment (on top of the other stuff): tomorrow and Friday the storm front which is supposed to dump a bunch of snow on some of the rest of y’all on this thread is supposed to hit us with thunder, rain, possibly tornados. My neighborhood almost always loses power during big storms, and it typically takes the power company hours to get it back on. There were photos in the local paper of empty meat cases at all the local stores. I just hope that the power doesn’t go out for an extended period of time right after everybody has bought all the food, and ruin everybody’s perishables.
This just did happen to me. Heavy, wet snow all day, by late afternoon trees began coming sown and took out power lines. Fortunately we have a generator, so all the frozen food was preserved. And they got the power back on in just 4.5 hours.
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NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.10
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Aw, thanks for hugs, MFPals
Not needed, though always appreciated. We're only on 28 cases here, with no known community transmission, but 16 of those have been diagnosed in the past two days.
Basically, we are trying very, very hard not to follow the rest of the world.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120423903/coronavirus-prime-minister-to-make-announcement-on-border-controls8 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.
Can we trade PM's? She has done an amazing job since being elected with this, natural disasters, a terrorist attack and all while being a new mum too. I do admire her really.11 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.
Can we trade PM's? She has done an amazing job since being elected with this, natural disasters, a terrorist attack and all while being a new mum too. I do admire her really.
We really need to clone her, don't we? Jacinda for Supreme World Leader?
As much as I am horrified by the speed at which things are happening now*, I actually feel pretty safe. A big part of that (okay, all of that) is because of the steps our government has taken.
*I read an article today comparing this pandemic to the one depicted in the film Contagion (we should all thank our lucky stars that this isn't much, much worse), written a week ago. The death toll was 4100. It's now more than double that. In a week.2 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »OK - so I have an idea. Instead of relying on health officials to do all the legwork. How about we all keep a daily diary of the places we have been and the people we have been in contact with. That way if we do come down with the virus, we already have everything concisely in one place to notify others quickly to try to contain the spread. I know if someone from work called me and said, hey I just got tested positive and am sick, I would take a LOT stronger measures as far as my movements and letting others around me know.
Google already knows all of this about us. Even if you have an iPhone, Google Maps collects location data in the background - that's why they make it for iPhone.
If anybody asks them too, they can query their data to find out who's been in the same place at the same time with you. As long as you both have your phones, which covers most people. I hope they're doing that.
you're assuming everyone has a phone connected to the internet at all times. I know quite a few folks who barely have a cell phone, let alone a smart phone.
Your carrier knows your location (historically as well as current) so long as your phone is on and you're within an area that has service (not a dead zone). Even if you have a flip phone.1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »My office has started dispensing latex gloves for the commute. We are asked not to wear them in the office. Most people are working from home already.
What is their logic in not having employees wear gloves in the office? I'm asking sincerely, I'm not sure how to word it without sounding confrontational.
It's airborne and we don't have enough gloves and masks for our first responders, do they don't want people panic buying them. The general public can wash their hands and not touch their faces. We NEED the docs, nurses, people that do X-Rays, hospital workers and first responders to have these for now. I see us in a couple of months having them for the general public (older and immuno compromised first).
What is your evidence for it being airborne? I have seen nothing to suggest this.
Yes, it is airborne for a minimum of 4 to 5 ft. That's why--masks. On a bus in China a man without a mask, who had the virus, sat in one of the back rows. People in the front of the bus were contaminated. The bus was not crowded. People wearing masks on the bus did not get the virus. The Chinese did extensive testing on this.
That isn't airborne. It seems pedantic, but there's a difference between aerosol and airborne.
Oh--thanks. I'm not at all sciencey and don't know the terms. Thanks for the correction. Just as long as people realize why we need "social distancing".
I hope I didn't come off like a jerk. I very much appreciate your updates. And I think it is great how we are all learning.
No, I appreciate it. Those of you who know more are nice enough to explain a few things. There are always many "lurkers" so I think it's helpful--even to say something dumb and be corrected.
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I'm in the San Francisco bay area (Contra Costa County) and we now have a mandatory shelter in place. Our local Safeways just announced they will open for seniors only Tuesdays and Thursdays from 6:00 - 9:00.
My husband is planning to go pick up a few things, even though I keep telling him we're fine. I am having a hard time getting across that we need to isolate for a full 2 weeks to make sure we are virus free. We have the supplies. No, we cant just pop down to the store because steak sounds good for dinner.
Today is day one of isolation. I sincerely hope we'll still be talking to each other by day seven 🙄
Even here, in Italy, I had the same problem with my husband. He's having a hard time with the quarantine, refuses to wear a mask, wants to go grocery shopping with me (I refused), and wants to walk around. I finally had to sit him down, and say "Listen, you're 66, a male, and that's a high risk category. What are we going to do if you get sick and die? His generous pension is necessary since I have 2 sons still studying law, and one that just took over my husband's office. I am a housewife and don't have a pension. We love you and need you. Please don't take needless risks". I drag him out with me at 6 in the morning to get his walk in. It's going better.
Today, the numbers are saying that males are twice as likely to get the virus, especially over 60.23 -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120371192/coronavirus-heres-how-quickly-the-number-of-cases-can-escalate
ETA - read a graph wrong on increase in Italy's death toll, but thought I'd leave the article link anyway.1 -
News from the North--their data isn't reliable. The number of infected is skewed because the hospitals are overloaded and are sending people home without testing them, so they don't know if they're infected. Also, so many are dying at home with no testing and they don't enter into the COV19 statistics. Yesterday a hospital director said that deaths during a normal flu season averaged 9 a week, now they're over 50. One hospital normally had 16 beds in their ER, now they're got 80. Doctors and nurses are getting infected---those of you in healthcare, please be careful and follow all guidelines--stay safe.
A warm hearted story (and there are many), a man with SLA that is on a respirator at home and has a spare, told his wife with eye blinks, because that's all he can move, to donate his backup respirator to the local hospital.19 -
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/first-dog-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-has-died-in-hong-kong/
This is unsettling. I hope there is more to the story. I thought transmitting it from humans to dogs was not possible.1 -
We stocked up on canned goods yesterday. Mostly soups. We have a two week supply now. No fresh bread, I got the last package (5 loaves) of frozen bread dough. Very little fresh lettuce. The grocery store workers are some of the many hero’s on the front line. I spoke with the dairy department manager. They are limited to certain quantities per day. They restock early am. He advised getting there early. They had store brand disinfecting wipes so I got a container. Lysol spray $7.99. Don’t know the price normally, but that seemed high to me. I didn’t get that.
We got some seeds, spinach and lettuce, so we will be able to plant in about 6 or 7 weeks when it’s warm enough. We’ve started tomato seeds inside.
My DH’s company is still open with limited staff. Unfortunately, his job is essential. He’s in high risk category, over 65, with pre-existing health conditions. His 44th anniversary with the company is 4/1.6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/first-dog-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-has-died-in-hong-kong/
This is unsettling. I hope there is more to the story. I thought transmitting it from humans to dogs was not possible.
Well in most of the article and linked articles, it says that they still aren't sure if the dog was infected as blood tests came back clear and it may have only been carrying the virus in its mouth and nose from “environmental contamination.” as the owner had the virus and consequently recovered.
Worth noting also that the dog was 17 years old, it might also have just been it's time.16 -
soniasharma2 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »If we don't have enough tests, we're undertesting, and don't know whether the incidence of XYZ virus in the population is higher or lower than the (number of positive tests) divided by (number of tests) . . . but because we're rationing tests to the most severe cases, we're mostly testing highly symptomatic people and getting a high percentage of positive tests, compared to the number of test performed. And, because we're testing the most severe cases as more testing kits become available, the jump in confirmed cases is extra-dramatic.
so once we get a test that is widely available and can be used on much more people, the death toll percentage will fall and eventually level out to a more accurate number which could well be less than the 4-6% estimated now. Right?
(snip)
Death toll (if you mean fatality rate for the disease) is (number of people who die of the disease)/(number of people who have the disease). Right now, we don't know how many people have the disease.
Theoretically, the fatality rate could go up or down, compared to what's being stated now, because the denominator (number of people who have the disease) is unknown, and the numerator (number of people who die) is going to depend to some extent on things like whether the hospitals/health care system can keep up or are overwhelmed. Fewer people will die if the health care system can keep up.
Trying to help the health care system keep up by making cases happen slower (same number of cases, but over a longer time period) - that "flattening the curve" thing - is what's being attempted now via social distancing measures.
Different countries/regions will have different fatality rates for the same disease, depending on a number of variables, but one is whether the health system can keep up.
One thing for sure, math-wise: Once all of this is over, and this virus reduced (as we hope) to a normal, treatable, potentially preventable disease), we will have enough data to realistically estimate fatality rates for areas with good statistical infrastructure. Until then, it's a moving target, though as time progresses, the estimates should improve as more data rolls in.
At least that's my view.
We can use the Diamond Princess Cruise to derive some realistic numbers regarding mortality, since it affected several hundred people and pretty much everyone was tested on board the ship. In that case, mortality was measured at 0.5-1%. This doesnt factor in access to proper healthcare in the form of ventilators and breathing support for severe cases, which would raise the numbers. That is why the priority is to slow down community spread rather than prevent or really even contain it in order to stress the system as little as possible. But its not looking good, since many ICU are near capacity.
yes but that percentage would be higher in the general population - simply because the most at risk people: frail elderly, severe pre exisitng conditions - wouldnt be fit enough to go on a cruise in the first place
so cruise population mortality vs general population mortality will not be the same.
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There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.3
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GaleHawkins wrote: »There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.
Not so good for us about to senter winter 😔8 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/first-dog-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-has-died-in-hong-kong/
This is unsettling. I hope there is more to the story. I thought transmitting it from humans to dogs was not possible.
Well in most of the article and linked articles, it says that they still aren't sure if the dog was infected as blood tests came back clear and it may have only been carrying the virus in its mouth and nose from “environmental contamination.” as the owner had the virus and consequently recovered.
Worth noting also that the dog was 17 years old, it might also have just been it's time.
I really hope so. I didn't have time to read the article but it caught my attention. Thank you for listing the main points.0 -
According to CNN, cases have spiked in the US 40% in the last 24 hours. That’s a huge jump.1
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Yesterday morning it was 200k infected 8k deaths sadly this morning 220k infected and just under 9k deaths. Ugh these stats are so sad.
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Some news from Italy: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-saysThe Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
It pays to stay healthy regularly as best as possible. Some of us have chronic diseases that we couldn't avoid, of course.6 -
I mentioned in the first few pages that I thought there might be some supplements that could come in handy. Understand, supplements aren't proven. However, I did see just yesterday that there's a COVID-19 trial seeing if AHCC, a mushroom derivative, can slow down the progression of the virus. The entire reason they are exploring this is it's unsure if drug manufacturers will be able to keep up (and in my case, we likely wouldn't even be able to get in a hospital). Many coconut derivatives also have proven to slow down OTHER viruses, but it's unclear if they will help with the Coronavirus (Monolaurin, SF 722 by Thorne and Caprylic Acid). Again these are all untested, but if someone in my family would get it, I'm throwing these at it quickly. We don't have many hospitals where I live and a very extreme senior population. Because many of them have believed, until very recently, that it's a media hoax, they have not listened to the calls to self isolate. So here, it's shaping like a colossal disaster unless warmer weather slows it dramatically.
Someone said they hoped they will come up with antivirals that help. They have already found a few. The issue is they don't have enough right now to possibly keep up with the demand.
My wife is somewhat immunocompromised (but she's relatively healthy now), so I'm not taking any chances and working to be as prepared as I can for her health.
I agree with you T1DCarn, I changed my entire health years ago and I'm glad I did. But for many, they can't flip a switch in one month to become healthy. Certainly, try to eat better and maintain fitness as best as you all can.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.
I hope it turns out to go away in summer, but in that it seems to be doing fine in FL I'm not placing a lot of stock in that idea.6 -
So last week I got an email at work asking employees to stop stealing the hand sanitizer gel and toilet paper. Today I was washing my hands in a public toilet and the hand wash had been gaffer taped to the wall.6
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Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.8 -
Y’all my husband found tp and someone stole it out of his cart when his back was turned for a moment! We hit the store right as it opened and by the time we left dozens of people were asking about the tP and someone just pinched it. He was watching it like a hawk too, they were sly.
We did get bread because we were lucky and arrived just as the Dave’s bread truck pulled in. No meat though, or rather only weird meat. We even got Tylenol. No sign of purell or alcohol.10 -
kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.
I've heard others saying it for quite a bit longer. It's one of those "tomorrow will never come" stories, right? As long as you say "2 weeks" every day for the next several months, it can never be proven wrong.
What they've been saying is that we are following Italy's track, which of course has changed over time. I've seen nothing that disputes that.
Re the Monday statement from the surgeon general:
US surgeon general: US cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago
by: Associated Press
Posted: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT / Updated: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT
WASHINGTON — The U.S. surgeon general said Monday that the number of coronavirus cases in the United States has reached the level that Italy recorded two weeks ago, a sign that infections are expected to rise in America as the government steps up testing and financial markets continue to fall.
“We are at a critical inflection point in this country, people. We are where Italy was two weeks ago in terms of our numbers,” U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told Fox News. “When you look at the projections, there’s every chance that we could be Italy.”
Two weeks ago, there were 1,700 cases of coronavirus in Italy and the country had reported 34 deaths. Now, Italy is reporting an estimated 25,000 cases and more than 1,800 people have died. There are about 3,800 cases reported in the United States and so far, more than 65 people have died from coronavirus.
Read more: https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/us-surgeon-general-us-cases-are-where-italy-was-2-weeks-ago/
CDC says 7000 cases in US and 97 deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
However Johns Hopkins says, 7300 and 115 deaths. Ok that’s not the difference I thought I saw the other day... https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html . Anyway I’m probably missing the point about Italy, we’re way past the 1700 unless that’s adjusted per capita.
I would think adjusting per capita would be the right approach. But I don't think you can say precisely how many days behind we are and it likely varies some across the US given how big we are.
Our numbers (in my city and state) are jumping quickly right now in response to increased testing (and we already had a lot more testing than a lot of places). I'm trying to remind myself it's just confirming what we already knew was the case--lots of unconfirmed cases had to be out there.
Saw a guesstimate that for every one positive there are 50 unconfirmed due to testing limitations. So, I give up. Guess y’all can have my tp. 🤪 dh is concerned about looting. Said liquor stores are closed. I mean.. maybe? Can’t that be bought else where? Or made? Or traded? Not everyone is a mad alcoholic, right? And what do I care if they loot the liquor store? Is he asking me out on a date? 🤔
I was tempted to speed through town today. That cop really gonna pull me over if I play the choking, wheezing I travel for work card? Heck the Walmart kid wouldn’t even let me sign for my pick up order. What’s the cop gonna do when I put my license in my mouth before I sign that citation? Haha! I may be cooped up a bit.
I saw the number yesterday of 83% of the infected do not even know it so the number is very high and why it is so risky to be out and come back into the house since it has such a long "hang time". Lows last night was 60F with rain so that is a good think but 80F would be harder on the corona spreading.2 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.
Can we trade PM's? She has done an amazing job since being elected with this, natural disasters, a terrorist attack and all while being a new mum too. I do admire her really.
We really need to clone her, don't we? Jacinda for Supreme World Leader?
As much as I am horrified by the speed at which things are happening now*, I actually feel pretty safe. A big part of that (okay, all of that) is because of the steps our government has taken.
*I read an article today comparing this pandemic to the one depicted in the film Contagion (we should all thank our lucky stars that this isn't much, much worse), written a week ago. The death toll was 4100. It's now more than double that. In a week.
Hey! My (almost exact) sentiments almost got this thread shut down a few days go
Worth reading an article that was released today re Australian's most trusted leaders...Guess who tops the list? I won't link it in case it's deemed too political *google
I live in an Australian capital city. Our team has started working from home today. We have given access to our building to another team who work in close quarters to enable them to spread out more. We have also given them access to our car spaces to limit at-risk employees using public transport.
I work in events management (education sector). These last few weeks have been brutal and demoralising as I've successively canceled event after event. It's necessary and right but it hurts. Almost 2 years of work have gone into some of these events. BUT I don't regret any of it. No life is worth sacrificing for a gathering.8 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.
I figure that porch pirates're gonna specifically seek Amazon Pantry {was previously: Prime Pantry}, labeled boxes.2 -
As I was typing my above comment, a notice was put within my door that my apartment complex's restricting visitors to only those that provide healthcare.5
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