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moonangel12 wrote: »Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.
I still think the deaths from economic losses will be greater than the deaths from the virus. It will be difficult or impossible to measure and won't happen as soon, but between homelessness, robberies, inability to afford basics like shelter, food, and medicine; this really concerns me. I'm conserving (and protecting) resources for now.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »I mentioned in the first few pages that I thought there might be some supplements that could come in handy. Understand, supplements aren't proven. However, I did see just yesterday that there's a COVID-19 trial seeing if AHCC, a mushroom derivative, can slow down the progression of the virus. The entire reason they are exploring this is it's unsure if drug manufacturers will be able to keep up (and in my case, we likely wouldn't even be able to get in a hospital). Many coconut derivatives also have proven to slow down OTHER viruses, but it's unclear if they will help with the Coronavirus (Monolaurin, SF 722 by Thorne and Caprylic Acid). Again these are all untested, but if someone in my family would get it, I'm throwing these at it quickly. We don't have many hospitals where I live and a very extreme senior population. Because many of them have believed, until very recently, that it's a media hoax, they have not listened to the calls to self isolate. So here, it's shaping like a colossal disaster unless warmer weather slows it dramatically.
Someone said they hoped they will come up with antivirals that help. They have already found a few. The issue is they don't have enough right now to possibly keep up with the demand.
My wife is somewhat immunocompromised (but she's relatively healthy now), so I'm not taking any chances and working to be as prepared as I can for her health.
I agree with you T1DCarn, I changed my entire health years ago and I'm glad I did. But for many, they can't flip a switch in one month to become healthy. Certainly, try to eat better and maintain fitness as best as you all can.
@MikePfirrman you make a good point but not a lot of people are into eating plant based foods with know antiviral properties for one reason or another.
COVID-19 is not very dangerous to people without health issues we know. I to am thankful with the help of MFP posters I was able to find a Way Of Eating that freed me from Rx meds and gave me back my needed health 5 years ago since I am now 69.
Any way of eating that we can do that reduces our daily viral load increases of odds of never having COVID-19 or a fast recovery if we get it.
Yesterday UPS brought my Amazon order of health supplements in one smaller box that I could pack with ease and that $900 order contained 4 more jars of EV coconut oil. Amazon has stated they are running out of more and more things so since we are told to prepare for this to be a 6-18 month event I am trying to build up a six month supply of supplements of all kind especially mission critical things like magnesium, etc.
Thankfully exposure risks are dropping with most places where people can meet are closed. Since I am out taking the wife to work I can see the traffic is light and McDonald's parking lot is empty.
Keep eating to prevent a premature death and I think that is about the only thing is known to work.1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.
I hope it turns out to go away in summer, but in that it seems to be doing fine in FL I'm not placing a lot of stock in that idea.
I agree with the case of FL. UV is the best to kill the virus I read. I think warmer temps and higher humidity just shortens its life in the air and on surfaces. I am the guardian of a 76 year old guy living in a nursing home that is on lock down. I waved at him the other day when I took him some Insure and paid his rent. A staff member came out to get the check and Insure. Since he grew up without hearing and never went to school it concerns me since he can not speak or hear because things like COVID-19 can not be explained to him very well even though he is very bright.
My point was on lock down if the virus gets inside its concentration will just get higher and higher. We at the house have to get outside into the fresh air taking care of the cats, dogs and mini horses (one is about to foal any day now). Being able to breath air where there are no humans other than the three of us is a good thing I think. The son and his wife brought us more animal food a couple days ago but we were outside in a warm breeze with no touching.
As we all learn to lower our risk of getting/spreading disease the faster this issue will go away hopefully. People will have COVID-19 all summer and we can expect the winter of 2020-2021 to be bad once again.5 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »Blood type might indicate, whom the virus affects most & worst:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/people-with-blood-type-a-more-vulnerable-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11kJ4Y?;ocid=ientp&li=AA4RE4&pfr=1
This may be dumb, but it's somewhat related and it might be fun trivia. So I'm emetophobic (fear of vomiting) and in my research years ago I read that types A and O are more susceptible to norovirus (that nasty bug that makes you puke out both ends). Something about the proteins in the various types being more or less hospitable to the virus replication. Some genetic thing... Anyway, I was super excited to read that my type B is resistant to norovirus. You rarely get it, but if you do its mild. AB types are neither resistant nor more susceptible. 🤮3 -
Interesting on the way in this morning. Had to answer some questions about symptoms and exposure and have my temp scanned before coming into the building. Given instructions to monitor symptoms and temp twice daily and to log them on the intranet Employee Health program. This is new. A week ago only those exposed to patients undergoing testing were doing this and now we all are. I think I appreciate my facility for making us take these extra steps, as I still have people in my group that don't think this is a big deal. (Some days I can't even...)
I had to go to the local WallyHell on the way home yesterday to pick up some essentials...Dog food, peanut butter and some soup for my husband, who, bless him, has the flu. Still no wipes, still no spray. Ok, no big deal. I grabbed some cheap paper towels and can make homemade, if need be. But on my way to the register, some hoarding heifer came out of nowhere and rammed me. Evidently I was between her and the food she so desperately needed to put in her already overflowing cart. (I mean, who needs ten boxes of 3 or 4 types of kids' cereal and all the gatorade?) Let me add, also cleared out were the meat, cheese and coldcut sections. People! Really?
Again, some days I just can't. *sigh*10 -
https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/three-members-of-the-same-new-jersey-family-die-after-contracting-coronavirus/
As people read stories like this it will help some better understand the need for social isolation and that COCID-19 is more than an over hyped story.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/three-members-of-the-same-new-jersey-family-die-after-contracting-coronavirus/
As people read stories like this it will help some better understand the need for social isolation and that COCID-19 is more than an over hyped story.
This is incredibly sad.
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If this is accurate, this would be a game changer in two ways. One, it would allow those that have had it to again work and help others. Secondly, it would also allow them to take their antibodies and use them to develop a potential "stop gap" vaccine, for lack of better phrases. There has been a lot being thrown around about developing a vaccine from those that have recovered, utilizing their antibodies. Again, I'm not a scientist, so I have absolutely no idea how they do that but reportedly they are working furiously on that. Because once you have the antibodies to defend yourself, it would more (at that point) resemble a common flu. But no one has immunity yet to this -- our kids will in the future, but adults don't.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-immunity-test-090033681.html4 -
I just saw a video that was posted of people from Italy giving a message to themselves of 10 days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMY0-4p9P-M
I found myself tearing up a bit watching this.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »OK - so I have an idea. Instead of relying on health officials to do all the legwork. How about we all keep a daily diary of the places we have been and the people we have been in contact with. That way if we do come down with the virus, we already have everything concisely in one place to notify others quickly to try to contain the spread. I know if someone from work called me and said, hey I just got tested positive and am sick, I would take a LOT stronger measures as far as my movements and letting others around me know.
Google already knows all of this about us. Even if you have an iPhone, Google Maps collects location data in the background - that's why they make it for iPhone.
If anybody asks them too, they can query their data to find out who's been in the same place at the same time with you. As long as you both have your phones, which covers most people. I hope they're doing that.
you're assuming everyone has a phone connected to the internet at all times. I know quite a few folks who barely have a cell phone, let alone a smart phone.
Your carrier knows your location (historically as well as current) so long as your phone is on and you're within an area that has service (not a dead zone). Even if you have a flip phone.
I live in West Virginia - 3/4's of the state is a dead zone
My town is that way; on both ends, you can get maybe 2 bars, but turn a curve, and you lose it. My coverage in my house is spotty at best, and my mom has to go to her kitchen in the back of the house to get coverage, and most carriers don't even register here.
my best friend and I were talking about this last night, and she's in the camp that the government is over-reacting and that the economic impacts are going to cause more deaths in the long run than if we'd just continued as we were and let the virus take its course; she saying its killing small businesses because of the shutdown. She's also concerned about the recession that seems to be imminent; she says that's going to increase the death toll because of suicides due to massive losses in the stock market.
I tried to point out that even if we did just continue as is and not shut everything down, there still would have been major economic impacts because when 3/4's of the population comes down with it at one time, who's going to be coming into work in those stores and who would be left to go shopping in them? The virus itself would eventually create a mass shutdown on its own. I also can't get her to understand the need to flatten the curve or that by not trying to slow down the hospitalizations, we would not only be having deaths from coronovirus, but deaths among people who have other conditions as well since they'd be competing with the virus victims for the same limited resources.
Thus in my mind's eye, once this became a pandemic, it was going to cause economic chaos no matter how the governments handled it, and it was going to created massive losses and ressessions in most countries anyway.
She keeps pointing out that this isn't dangerous for younger people so all this government shutdown isnt' necessary; its a topic that we just have to agree to disagree on.
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My 80 year old husband is getting cabin fever, already. So this morning he headed out on a TP hunt. Still no luck, but he brought back a lot of other stuff we don't need and that aren't in short supply. How many cans of Spam do we really need?19
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »My 80 year old husband is getting cabin fever, already. So this morning he headed out on a TP hunt. Still no luck, but he brought back a lot of other stuff we don't need and that aren't in short supply. How many cans of Spam do we really need?
Even the spam was wiped out in my local grocery chain.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »My 80 year old husband is getting cabin fever, already. So this morning he headed out on a TP hunt. Still no luck, but he brought back a lot of other stuff we don't need and that aren't in short supply. How many cans of Spam do we really need?
Toilet paper can be found online. I got some on Amazon. Thrive Market and Home Depot also had it. Walmart has it too. Target I believe as well. You might have to buy a certain amount to get free delivery, but it can be found online. It might take a week or two.
I predict some Hawaiian spam recipes in your future!4 -
I just saw a video that was posted of people from Italy giving a message to themselves of 10 days ago:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMY0-4p9P-M
I found myself tearing up a bit watching this.
Thanks for sharing their message. COVID-19 is becoming more real hour by hour.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/19/generation-has-died-italian-province-struggles-bury-coronavirus-dead
I just read this and the pain feels very real. When people we know start dying it will become even more real.
There was a story of a person that was to have a kidney transplant and that has been put off because of dealing with COVID-19 and he expects death within 30 days without the transplant. The fall out of COVID-19 may cause more deaths than patients that will die from COVID-19 directly.6 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »My 80 year old husband is getting cabin fever, already. So this morning he headed out on a TP hunt. Still no luck, but he brought back a lot of other stuff we don't need and that aren't in short supply. How many cans of Spam do we really need?
Haha my dh would say you can never have enough cans of Spam. Lol Ugh!!0 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »Blood type might indicate, whom the virus affects most & worst:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/people-with-blood-type-a-more-vulnerable-to-coronavirus/ar-BB11kJ4Y?;ocid=ientp&li=AA4RE4&pfr=1
This may be dumb, but it's somewhat related and it might be fun trivia. So I'm emetophobic (fear of vomiting)
OMG so many socially distant hugs from a fellow emetophobe.
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Every time I get brave enough to venture out to a store, I always look for hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes, neither of which I've been able to find.
I, thankfully, have bleach on hand and will make my own cleaning rags to keep things as clean as I can. But sure would like to find some hand sanitizer, especially for my ds and her dh. Has anyone made their own using rubbing alcohol and aloe vera gel? I've got the rubbing acohol but I assume I could order aloe vera gel thru Amazon. 1 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »But on my way to the register, some hoarding heifer came out of nowhere and rammed me. Evidently I was between her and the food she so desperately needed to put in her already overflowing cart. (I mean, who needs ten boxes of 3 or 4 types of kids' cereal and all the gatorade?)
While her behavior was exceedingly rude, I'd caution people against making snap judgments about what folks have in their carts. I belong to a large family and I'm currently the only one making grocery runs for 13 people spread across 3 separate homes. So, whilst it may look like I'm panic hoarding, I'm truly not. I'm trying to buy the bare minimum essentials to last 14 days for 13 people which is a crap ton of food (when I can actually find it).
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moonangel12 wrote: »Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.
Someone here was held up at gunpoint outside the grocery store and her groceries were stolen. People were also stealing out of each other's carts. A person in a group I'm in admitted to stealing two gallons of milk out of a cart with a lot of milk because it wasn't fair when she can't get food to support her diabetes diet. Another was robbed the other night. It's pretty sad.6 -
( Has anyone made their own using rubbing alcohol and aloe vera gel? I've got the rubbing acohol but I assume I could order aloe vera gel thru Amazon.
I have! You just have to make sure you get your ratios down pat. If Amazon is sold out, try ordering the Lily of the Desert brand from The Vitamin Shoppe. Just make sure it's not the dietary supplement kind you drink. It's not the same. You'll need the gel. It's hard to find in stores right now, because it's typically put out when stores put out summer items like sunscreen.
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Dh said all "non-essentials" to be shut down from Amazon.3
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Every time I get brave enough to venture out to a store, I always look for hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes, neither of which I've been able to find. I, thankfully, have bleach on hand and will make my own cleaning rags to keep things as clean as I can. But sure would like to find some hand sanitizer, especially for my ds and her dh. Has anyone made their own using rubbing alcohol and aloe vera gel? I've got the rubbing acohol but I assume I could order aloe vera gel thru Amazon.
We have a few small spray bottles of a "natural" hand sanitizer that we bought quite a while back. When those empty, we've been pouring our 70% isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol in them, and that can just be sprayed directly on hands. It's of course a fire hazard, so keep away from flames!! We only use when really necessary.1 -
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juliemouse83 wrote: »But on my way to the register, some hoarding heifer came out of nowhere and rammed me. Evidently I was between her and the food she so desperately needed to put in her already overflowing cart. (I mean, who needs ten boxes of 3 or 4 types of kids' cereal and all the gatorade?)
While her behavior was exceedingly rude, I'd caution people against making snap judgments about what folks have in their carts. I belong to a large family and I'm currently the only one making grocery runs for 13 people spread across 3 separate homes. So, whilst it may look like I'm panic hoarding, I'm truly not. I'm trying to buy the bare minimum essentials to last 14 days for 13 people which is a crap ton of food (when I can actually find it).
That's a great point. I also know of people picking up items for a number of others who are more at risk.7 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Someone mentioned looting, and now I can’t find the post to quote it...
*now, this is through word of mouth, I can’t confirm it* but wanted to mention so people could be aware because it will likely be a reality soon if it isn’t right now...
My aunt in Ohio said they have already had home invasions in her area for food and basic supplies - people kicking in doors at ridiculous hours in the night holding homeowners at gunpoint. (They don’t live in the best area, but also not the worst). Something that had crossed my mind (thanks to a book series I read a couple years ago), but hadn’t really thought would be a reality for our situation just yet.
As this continues, be mindful of locking doors and taking precautions. Start talking about self/family defense now. Get a game plan with any children that might be in the home. We aren’t panicking, but we are aware of what could be as things progress.
Someone here was held up at gunpoint outside the grocery store and her groceries were stolen. People were also stealing out of each other's carts. A person in a group I'm in admitted to stealing two gallons of milk out of a cart with a lot of milk because it wasn't fair when she can't get food to support her diabetes diet. Another was robbed the other night. It's pretty sad.
Well i look like a fool (sort of). Dh wanted to but another gun yesterday and I berated him over it. I don't see how that's the answer, he has guns. And it's not the solution anyone wants. The government needs to step in an start handing some of this *kitten* out!
Take a shopping buddy yall!
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juliemouse83 wrote: »But on my way to the register, some hoarding heifer came out of nowhere and rammed me. Evidently I was between her and the food she so desperately needed to put in her already overflowing cart. (I mean, who needs ten boxes of 3 or 4 types of kids' cereal and all the gatorade?)
While her behavior was exceedingly rude, I'd caution people against making snap judgments about what folks have in their carts. I belong to a large family and I'm currently the only one making grocery runs for 13 people spread across 3 separate homes. So, whilst it may look like I'm panic hoarding, I'm truly not. I'm trying to buy the bare minimum essentials to last 14 days for 13 people which is a crap ton of food (when I can actually find it).
Thank you for that viewpoint, JaxxieKat. That is not something I would have considered. I wouldn't have noticed her at all had she not rammed me with her cart. Color me mad from that and the look she shot me.
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Last I read it was receipt of third-party shipments to their warehouses of non-essential items. Outbound shipments aren't affected.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
https://businessinsider.com/coronavirus-amazon-suspends-all-non-essential-shipments-to-warehouses-2020-3
I am sure this can be read many different ways but it seems to be from Amazon.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
https://businessinsider.com/coronavirus-amazon-suspends-all-non-essential-shipments-to-warehouses-2020-3
I am sure this can be read many different ways but it seems to be from Amazon.
This is shipments *to* warehouse, not to customers. Yes, eventually this will impact customers as items fall out of stock in the warehouses and aren't replenished. But there is not yet any indication that shipments to customers are being suspended.7 -
This is interesting and will bear watching.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-iceland-might-key-understanding-162800806.html
>>So far, there have been 3,787 tests administered in Iceland (the government says that's a higher proportion of the population than any other country), which have yielded a total of 218 positive tests. The early results show "a low proportion of the general population has contracted the virus and that about half of those who tested positive are non-symptomatic." <<7
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