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rheddmobile wrote: »So, what I’m praying for at this moment (on top of the other stuff): tomorrow and Friday the storm front which is supposed to dump a bunch of snow on some of the rest of y’all on this thread is supposed to hit us with thunder, rain, possibly tornados. My neighborhood almost always loses power during big storms, and it typically takes the power company hours to get it back on. There were photos in the local paper of empty meat cases at all the local stores. I just hope that the power doesn’t go out for an extended period of time right after everybody has bought all the food, and ruin everybody’s perishables.
This just did happen to me. Heavy, wet snow all day, by late afternoon trees began coming sown and took out power lines. Fortunately we have a generator, so all the frozen food was preserved. And they got the power back on in just 4.5 hours.
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NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.10
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Aw, thanks for hugs, MFPals
Not needed, though always appreciated. We're only on 28 cases here, with no known community transmission, but 16 of those have been diagnosed in the past two days.
Basically, we are trying very, very hard not to follow the rest of the world.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/120423903/coronavirus-prime-minister-to-make-announcement-on-border-controls8 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.
Can we trade PM's? She has done an amazing job since being elected with this, natural disasters, a terrorist attack and all while being a new mum too. I do admire her really.11 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »NZ's Prime Minister has just announced our border will be closed to non residents/citizens as of 11.59pm tonight.
Can we trade PM's? She has done an amazing job since being elected with this, natural disasters, a terrorist attack and all while being a new mum too. I do admire her really.
We really need to clone her, don't we? Jacinda for Supreme World Leader?
As much as I am horrified by the speed at which things are happening now*, I actually feel pretty safe. A big part of that (okay, all of that) is because of the steps our government has taken.
*I read an article today comparing this pandemic to the one depicted in the film Contagion (we should all thank our lucky stars that this isn't much, much worse), written a week ago. The death toll was 4100. It's now more than double that. In a week.2 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »OK - so I have an idea. Instead of relying on health officials to do all the legwork. How about we all keep a daily diary of the places we have been and the people we have been in contact with. That way if we do come down with the virus, we already have everything concisely in one place to notify others quickly to try to contain the spread. I know if someone from work called me and said, hey I just got tested positive and am sick, I would take a LOT stronger measures as far as my movements and letting others around me know.
Google already knows all of this about us. Even if you have an iPhone, Google Maps collects location data in the background - that's why they make it for iPhone.
If anybody asks them too, they can query their data to find out who's been in the same place at the same time with you. As long as you both have your phones, which covers most people. I hope they're doing that.
you're assuming everyone has a phone connected to the internet at all times. I know quite a few folks who barely have a cell phone, let alone a smart phone.
Your carrier knows your location (historically as well as current) so long as your phone is on and you're within an area that has service (not a dead zone). Even if you have a flip phone.1 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »My office has started dispensing latex gloves for the commute. We are asked not to wear them in the office. Most people are working from home already.
What is their logic in not having employees wear gloves in the office? I'm asking sincerely, I'm not sure how to word it without sounding confrontational.
It's airborne and we don't have enough gloves and masks for our first responders, do they don't want people panic buying them. The general public can wash their hands and not touch their faces. We NEED the docs, nurses, people that do X-Rays, hospital workers and first responders to have these for now. I see us in a couple of months having them for the general public (older and immuno compromised first).
What is your evidence for it being airborne? I have seen nothing to suggest this.
Yes, it is airborne for a minimum of 4 to 5 ft. That's why--masks. On a bus in China a man without a mask, who had the virus, sat in one of the back rows. People in the front of the bus were contaminated. The bus was not crowded. People wearing masks on the bus did not get the virus. The Chinese did extensive testing on this.
That isn't airborne. It seems pedantic, but there's a difference between aerosol and airborne.
Oh--thanks. I'm not at all sciencey and don't know the terms. Thanks for the correction. Just as long as people realize why we need "social distancing".
I hope I didn't come off like a jerk. I very much appreciate your updates. And I think it is great how we are all learning.
No, I appreciate it. Those of you who know more are nice enough to explain a few things. There are always many "lurkers" so I think it's helpful--even to say something dumb and be corrected.
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I'm in the San Francisco bay area (Contra Costa County) and we now have a mandatory shelter in place. Our local Safeways just announced they will open for seniors only Tuesdays and Thursdays from 6:00 - 9:00.
My husband is planning to go pick up a few things, even though I keep telling him we're fine. I am having a hard time getting across that we need to isolate for a full 2 weeks to make sure we are virus free. We have the supplies. No, we cant just pop down to the store because steak sounds good for dinner.
Today is day one of isolation. I sincerely hope we'll still be talking to each other by day seven 🙄
Even here, in Italy, I had the same problem with my husband. He's having a hard time with the quarantine, refuses to wear a mask, wants to go grocery shopping with me (I refused), and wants to walk around. I finally had to sit him down, and say "Listen, you're 66, a male, and that's a high risk category. What are we going to do if you get sick and die? His generous pension is necessary since I have 2 sons still studying law, and one that just took over my husband's office. I am a housewife and don't have a pension. We love you and need you. Please don't take needless risks". I drag him out with me at 6 in the morning to get his walk in. It's going better.
Today, the numbers are saying that males are twice as likely to get the virus, especially over 60.23 -
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120371192/coronavirus-heres-how-quickly-the-number-of-cases-can-escalate
ETA - read a graph wrong on increase in Italy's death toll, but thought I'd leave the article link anyway.1 -
News from the North--their data isn't reliable. The number of infected is skewed because the hospitals are overloaded and are sending people home without testing them, so they don't know if they're infected. Also, so many are dying at home with no testing and they don't enter into the COV19 statistics. Yesterday a hospital director said that deaths during a normal flu season averaged 9 a week, now they're over 50. One hospital normally had 16 beds in their ER, now they're got 80. Doctors and nurses are getting infected---those of you in healthcare, please be careful and follow all guidelines--stay safe.
A warm hearted story (and there are many), a man with SLA that is on a respirator at home and has a spare, told his wife with eye blinks, because that's all he can move, to donate his backup respirator to the local hospital.19 -
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/first-dog-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-has-died-in-hong-kong/
This is unsettling. I hope there is more to the story. I thought transmitting it from humans to dogs was not possible.1 -
We stocked up on canned goods yesterday. Mostly soups. We have a two week supply now. No fresh bread, I got the last package (5 loaves) of frozen bread dough. Very little fresh lettuce. The grocery store workers are some of the many hero’s on the front line. I spoke with the dairy department manager. They are limited to certain quantities per day. They restock early am. He advised getting there early. They had store brand disinfecting wipes so I got a container. Lysol spray $7.99. Don’t know the price normally, but that seemed high to me. I didn’t get that.
We got some seeds, spinach and lettuce, so we will be able to plant in about 6 or 7 weeks when it’s warm enough. We’ve started tomato seeds inside.
My DH’s company is still open with limited staff. Unfortunately, his job is essential. He’s in high risk category, over 65, with pre-existing health conditions. His 44th anniversary with the company is 4/1.6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/first-dog-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-has-died-in-hong-kong/
This is unsettling. I hope there is more to the story. I thought transmitting it from humans to dogs was not possible.
Well in most of the article and linked articles, it says that they still aren't sure if the dog was infected as blood tests came back clear and it may have only been carrying the virus in its mouth and nose from “environmental contamination.” as the owner had the virus and consequently recovered.
Worth noting also that the dog was 17 years old, it might also have just been it's time.16 -
soniasharma2 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »If we don't have enough tests, we're undertesting, and don't know whether the incidence of XYZ virus in the population is higher or lower than the (number of positive tests) divided by (number of tests) . . . but because we're rationing tests to the most severe cases, we're mostly testing highly symptomatic people and getting a high percentage of positive tests, compared to the number of test performed. And, because we're testing the most severe cases as more testing kits become available, the jump in confirmed cases is extra-dramatic.
so once we get a test that is widely available and can be used on much more people, the death toll percentage will fall and eventually level out to a more accurate number which could well be less than the 4-6% estimated now. Right?
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Death toll (if you mean fatality rate for the disease) is (number of people who die of the disease)/(number of people who have the disease). Right now, we don't know how many people have the disease.
Theoretically, the fatality rate could go up or down, compared to what's being stated now, because the denominator (number of people who have the disease) is unknown, and the numerator (number of people who die) is going to depend to some extent on things like whether the hospitals/health care system can keep up or are overwhelmed. Fewer people will die if the health care system can keep up.
Trying to help the health care system keep up by making cases happen slower (same number of cases, but over a longer time period) - that "flattening the curve" thing - is what's being attempted now via social distancing measures.
Different countries/regions will have different fatality rates for the same disease, depending on a number of variables, but one is whether the health system can keep up.
One thing for sure, math-wise: Once all of this is over, and this virus reduced (as we hope) to a normal, treatable, potentially preventable disease), we will have enough data to realistically estimate fatality rates for areas with good statistical infrastructure. Until then, it's a moving target, though as time progresses, the estimates should improve as more data rolls in.
At least that's my view.
We can use the Diamond Princess Cruise to derive some realistic numbers regarding mortality, since it affected several hundred people and pretty much everyone was tested on board the ship. In that case, mortality was measured at 0.5-1%. This doesnt factor in access to proper healthcare in the form of ventilators and breathing support for severe cases, which would raise the numbers. That is why the priority is to slow down community spread rather than prevent or really even contain it in order to stress the system as little as possible. But its not looking good, since many ICU are near capacity.
yes but that percentage would be higher in the general population - simply because the most at risk people: frail elderly, severe pre exisitng conditions - wouldnt be fit enough to go on a cruise in the first place
so cruise population mortality vs general population mortality will not be the same.
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There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.3
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GaleHawkins wrote: »There are so many unknowns about this virus. It looks more like a 6-18 month event. It doesn't like heat and high humidity they say.anf summer can bring both in our area. Hopefully schools can restart this fall.
Not so good for us about to senter winter 😔8 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/first-dog-to-test-positive-for-coronavirus-has-died-in-hong-kong/
This is unsettling. I hope there is more to the story. I thought transmitting it from humans to dogs was not possible.
Well in most of the article and linked articles, it says that they still aren't sure if the dog was infected as blood tests came back clear and it may have only been carrying the virus in its mouth and nose from “environmental contamination.” as the owner had the virus and consequently recovered.
Worth noting also that the dog was 17 years old, it might also have just been it's time.
I really hope so. I didn't have time to read the article but it caught my attention. Thank you for listing the main points.0 -
According to CNN, cases have spiked in the US 40% in the last 24 hours. That’s a huge jump.1
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Yesterday morning it was 200k infected 8k deaths sadly this morning 220k infected and just under 9k deaths. Ugh these stats are so sad.
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Some news from Italy: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-saysThe Rome-based institute has examined medical records of about 18% of the country’s coronavirus fatalities, finding that just three victims, or 0.8% of the total, had no previous pathology. Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.
It pays to stay healthy regularly as best as possible. Some of us have chronic diseases that we couldn't avoid, of course.6
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