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Well it’s not so much prep but I was really angry today. As we’ve been told, no gatherings over 100 people. My friend went to a wedding with about 90 guests. So that’s not incudling the workers. I said I wldnt put yrself or the kids at danger, the answer I got was, word for word “I don’t care, doesn’t worry me, people are being stupid and overreacting” It’s attidudes like this that puts our world at risk, selfish and ignorant grrrrrrrrrr so mad. I love her and feel guilty I feel so angry but I just imagine all the people in the world with attitudes just like that who are depending on everyone else to do the right thing to lessen THEIR danger. Hmph
@kq1981 - send her this link: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120462582/coronavirus-perfect-aussie-wedding-turns-into-nightmare-as-37-guests-test-positive9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Have been offline for a few days and didn't go back to read all the comments, so apologize if this has already been brought up. Has anyone seen this story:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fourth-member-jersey-family-dies-000305798.html
Combined with what is happening in Italy, couldn't help but wonder if people of Italian descent are somehow more genetically vulnerable to this virus. Is that possible?
Well--a lot of Chinese died too.
Italy has a higher percentage of people over 80, which is one reason suggested for their high rate of fatalities.
We have lot of smokers and the Chinese do too.
I believe Italy also had the highest number of flights to/from China in Europe which likely contributed too, if assymtomatic travellers or those with mild symptoms were not caught early that could also have done a lot of damage.
From my own experience it's more cultural than genetic (was replying to a post mentioning genetics before but app crashed before I posted) this may come off a little stereotypical but from Italian friends I've met and anecdotal articles/posts many are anti-authoritarian (hence the blasé attitude to the government's advice early on) and are typically more family-centric and touchy/feely than some othe European countries (so likely to have been ignoring social distancing guidelines - hugging and kissing grandma, etc).
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Well it’s not so much prep but I was really angry today. As we’ve been told, no gatherings over 100 people. My friend went to a wedding with about 90 guests. So that’s not incudling the workers. I said I wldnt put yrself or the kids at danger, the answer I got was, word for word “I don’t care, doesn’t worry me, people are being stupid and overreacting” It’s attidudes like this that puts our world at risk, selfish and ignorant grrrrrrrrrr so mad. I love her and feel guilty I feel so angry but I just imagine all the people in the world with attitudes just like that who are depending on everyone else to do the right thing to lessen THEIR danger. Hmph
@kq1981 - send her this link: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120462582/coronavirus-perfect-aussie-wedding-turns-into-nightmare-as-37-guests-test-positive
A wedding is how community transmission started here. Things were semi under control when new cases were almost all imported and dealt with immediately.7 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Well it’s not so much prep but I was really angry today. As we’ve been told, no gatherings over 100 people. My friend went to a wedding with about 90 guests. So that’s not incudling the workers. I said I wldnt put yrself or the kids at danger, the answer I got was, word for word “I don’t care, doesn’t worry me, people are being stupid and overreacting” It’s attidudes like this that puts our world at risk, selfish and ignorant grrrrrrrrrr so mad. I love her and feel guilty I feel so angry but I just imagine all the people in the world with attitudes just like that who are depending on everyone else to do the right thing to lessen THEIR danger. Hmph
@kq1981 - send her this link: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120462582/coronavirus-perfect-aussie-wedding-turns-into-nightmare-as-37-guests-test-positive
A wedding is how community transmission started here. Things were semi under control when new cases were almost all imported and dealt with immediately.
All it takes is one infected person in a large group situation4 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Alcohol is a disinfectant.0 -
News today is still bad--the North still hasn't hit it's peak, maybe next week. The statistics are saying 1 in 3 are dying in the hospitals. Another question was asked "Why is the death toll proportionately higher in Milan and Brescia (two northern cities) than in the rest of the North?" There is speculation that smog may enter into the equation. Those areas have frequent extremely high smog alerts, especially in the winter. China also has this problem. It may weaken lungs.
Yesterday the toll on doctors was 7 dead. A cashier at a grocery store died of COV19.21 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Well it’s not so much prep but I was really angry today. As we’ve been told, no gatherings over 100 people. My friend went to a wedding with about 90 guests. So that’s not incudling the workers. I said I wldnt put yrself or the kids at danger, the answer I got was, word for word “I don’t care, doesn’t worry me, people are being stupid and overreacting” It’s attidudes like this that puts our world at risk, selfish and ignorant grrrrrrrrrr so mad. I love her and feel guilty I feel so angry but I just imagine all the people in the world with attitudes just like that who are depending on everyone else to do the right thing to lessen THEIR danger. Hmph
@kq1981 - send her this link: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120462582/coronavirus-perfect-aussie-wedding-turns-into-nightmare-as-37-guests-test-positive
A wedding is how community transmission started here. Things were semi under control when new cases were almost all imported and dealt with immediately.
All it takes is one infected person in a large group situation
That wedding is exactly wear my mind went to when I msgd her. And NOW I heard that the NSW government let those 4 ships dock and 2700 people disembarked after 4 positive tests onboard after the fed government said no 😔 those poor people and I feel terrible for Sydney residents (of corse along with other states and countries) our world needs a big hug and some people need a big smack.9 -
My husband is still working. The retail store has closed, but he’s an essential employee. Large florist/nursery with a multitude of greenhouses. The boilers have to be kept running to maintain the heat for the plants in the greenhouses. It’s still winter.
It’s so quiet out here in the country now. We feed the birds. We’re 1/4 mile from a road that has a lot of traffic. During the week, I hear the vehicles as I’m filling the feeders. Sunday’s are quieter. This week has been quieter than Sunday’s.
Please remember what is important. Keep in touch virtually, with loved ones. Stay well and safe everyone!10 -
tinkerbellang83 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Have been offline for a few days and didn't go back to read all the comments, so apologize if this has already been brought up. Has anyone seen this story:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fourth-member-jersey-family-dies-000305798.html
Combined with what is happening in Italy, couldn't help but wonder if people of Italian descent are somehow more genetically vulnerable to this virus. Is that possible?
Well--a lot of Chinese died too.
Italy has a higher percentage of people over 80, which is one reason suggested for their high rate of fatalities.
We have lot of smokers and the Chinese do too.
I believe Italy also had the highest number of flights to/from China in Europe which likely contributed too, if assymtomatic travellers or those with mild symptoms were not caught early that could also have done a lot of damage.
From my own experience it's more cultural than genetic (was replying to a post mentioning genetics before but app crashed before I posted) this may come off a little stereotypical but from Italian friends I've met and anecdotal articles/posts many are anti-authoritarian (hence the blasé attitude to the government's advice early on) and are typically more family-centric and touchy/feely than some othe European countries (so likely to have been ignoring social distancing guidelines - hugging and kissing grandma, etc).
I’m Italian, I have family there that I’m very worried about. And you’re right, we are very affectionate, we great each other with kisses, it’s rude not to, especially my Nonna and Nonno when we visit. I haven’t seen them for weeks now, I wouldn’t put them at any kind of risk especially as being a nurse I am more susceptible at the moment. Italy also has an older population, I would think that’s also a factor to the morbidity rate there.7 -
This morning I and my husband did our run walk around the park--saw 3 people. We do this from 6-6:45. I had a small breakfast and then went out to grocery shop. I had heard that lines were blocks long yesterday and wanted to get in line before they opened. They open at 8:30, at 8:00 I was in line. The line was half a block long, but grew quickly and turned the corner, so I don't know how long it eventually got. Everyone is 5ft or 1 meter apart. They only let one in at a time to avoid congestion. I entered the store at 9:00, exited at 10:00. The supermarket seemed to be well furnished, their sale items were out. I had heard that some stores were emptying out, so was pleasantly surprised. I entered with a mask and gloves. I take the gloves off as soon as I pay cash and load my shopping cart. I throw the gloves away and disinfect my mask. There was a sign saying that they will be closing at 7:00 in the evening, and closing on Sundays, so they are shortening their hours.7
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snowflake954 wrote: »News today is still bad--the North still hasn't hit it's peak, maybe next week. The statistics are saying 1 in 3 are dying in the hospitals. Another question was asked "Why is the death toll proportionately higher in Milan and Brescia (two northern cities) than in the rest of the North?" There is speculation that smog may enter into the equation. Those areas have frequent extremely high smog alerts, especially in the winter. China also has this problem. It may weaken lungs.
Yesterday the toll on doctors was 7 dead. A cashier at a grocery store died of COV19.
Is the elevation higher there, than elsewhere? If so, a decrease of oxygen might be a reason since the air's naturally thinner, the higher above sea level we're.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Because folks need to keep their sanity... :drinker:10 -
Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
ETA I wouldn't go if there was one, and no I wouldn't feel like a horrible person.15 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
Here in NYC, funerals are limited to only immediate family. They are live streamed now.10 -
snowflake954 wrote: »News today is still bad--the North still hasn't hit it's peak, maybe next week. The statistics are saying 1 in 3 are dying in the hospitals. Another question was asked "Why is the death toll proportionately higher in Milan and Brescia (two northern cities) than in the rest of the North?" There is speculation that smog may enter into the equation. Those areas have frequent extremely high smog alerts, especially in the winter. China also has this problem. It may weaken lungs.
Yesterday the toll on doctors was 7 dead. A cashier at a grocery store died of COV19.
Thanks for your info about what is happening in Italy because I trust the numbers from there. Locally (near Mississippi River end of Kentucky) the virus this week has moved inside of the local hospital through an employee (tested positive) that spent time with a visitor from Nashville TN that tested positive as of 17 March 2020. The now positive visitor also attended church on 15 March 2020 in Murray KY while visiting the local hospital employee. There were 150 people exposed at that church service that was not to happen because KY was limiting group meeting to no more than 10 at that point in time.
Basically now the entire town and much of the county has been exposed though that church and hospital. We are a very rural farming community and college town. Thankfully college and other schools were closed last week. Sadly the college students that were on the beaches in close contact in Florida this week are returning to home states.
KY went from 1 (air traveler) known case to 70+ in about a week literally state wide. TN is doing nothing to stop the spread but they have people spreading the virus to surrounding states. Basically many of us in this area have been exposed in just one week. Churches I expect are going to listen to the Governor instead of voices that they are hearing saying to meet. We can not close the hospital to patients and employees but Thursday they did close it to visitors off the street and secured the doors somewhat even if it is no more than a sign stating no visitors.
Folks the need to stay home is real to help protect our family and neighbors that have to get out so people that have to keep the hospitals open, the lights burning, food and water flowing, etc are at less risks.
Yes a few people are going to die but many people are going to be bankrupted due to this virus. The world wide impact will still be felt 20 years from now. Retirement plans are being wrecked. The mental/emotional fall out can last the rest of our life time. Take 2 aspirins and go to bed is not going to fix things this time around.
Your comment about about smog is important because smog is one of the world's driver of disease. We have to get away from coal, gas and diesel energy sources but this virus may delay progress on the front for many years to come.4 -
Mass is stopped right now. I wouldn't hold a funeral right now. I would have a priest do a blessing and I would hold a memorial service perhaps on the 1 year anniversary of death.
If I die that is what I would want my family to do as well.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »News today is still bad--the North still hasn't hit it's peak, maybe next week. The statistics are saying 1 in 3 are dying in the hospitals. Another question was asked "Why is the death toll proportionately higher in Milan and Brescia (two northern cities) than in the rest of the North?" There is speculation that smog may enter into the equation. Those areas have frequent extremely high smog alerts, especially in the winter. China also has this problem. It may weaken lungs.
Yesterday the toll on doctors was 7 dead. A cashier at a grocery store died of COV19.
I've wondered about this. It's a well known thing, among endurance athletes, that Vit C and Vit E in combination, protect the lungs from damage done from overexertion. For a while, it became a trend to take Vit E and C together during hard workouts, but what they found, over time, is that the lungs need to be stressed in order to improve, so now it's more common for high level athletes to take the C and E after a marathon or triathlon and not during training.
During that research, though, they also found C and E together protect your lungs from smog. I hadn't thought about this in years, but after I've been doing harder workouts (very strenuous rowing workouts that I do twice a week), I've been taking C and E together. I'm at the age I'm not as worried about performance, more about keeping the lungs from being too stressed or inflamed after working out extremely hard.
Don't confuse the vaping problems with E and taking vitamin E orally. Not the same thing at all. No one should be vaping right now.5 -
My friend’s friend was killed in a senseless car accident right at the beginning of this fall out - they were making plans to attend just as things were shifting. The flight across the country, plans to visit family along the way (her husband is a pilot so they have flexibility), and then the funeral all changed within 24-48 hours. The final straw was the crowd size limits given the family and friend size plus community turnout. Thankfully they were able to get streaming coverage set up for it.
It would be a hard decision (one I have tossed around in my mind since my 94 year old grandmother is in a nursing home in IL, and my uncle, also in IL is in very poor health). Ultimately I think not attending would be wise, but not an easy decision.12 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Question for everyone on the topic of planning as we get through this:
Let's say someone you know, either a family member or friend, dies during this time (either for Covid-19 or otherwise). In the interest of avoiding crowds, do you still go to the funeral / memorial service? If you are involved in planning the funeral, do you ask for only close family members to come?
Also, would it make someone a terrible person to skip going to the funeral even if it is a relative (grandparent, let's say)? *Asking for a friend.
I wouldn’t.
If it were me, risking others health and lives isn’t worth having it on my conscience. I don’t think they’re a bad person, quite the contrary, they’re showing responsibility and compassion for others wellbeing.
Social distancing will help contain the spread of this.8
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