Coronavirus prep
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That is concerning... People as vectors - weird when you think about it. I read an article earlier today about cats being able to become infected, but the study had only been on cats who were intentionally injected with the virus (which makes me mad). And the earlier articles about dogs being susceptible were concerning as well. I have two giant dogs, three cats, nine chickens... Ok. A zoo. I have a zoo. Anyway, the idea that we may be able to make our pets sick really bothers me.
Hope you're staying sane and aren't going too stir-crazy @Chef_Barbell.9 -
Last time I mentioned in this thread that I thought I might have gotten Covid back in late November ( and Ann rolled her eyes at me ) I hesitated to mention that my cat got really sick about a week after I had been coughing on her all night long. I thought I was going to lose her. I managed to syringe feed her for 10 days, and gave her sub-q fluids daily for two weeks and she recovered.
JS.
Again...neither of us went to the doctor. I can't prove it. Just another suspicious link.4 -
Our NextDoor is a weird mix of BrentwoodStrong (our community online center for those who need help and those who have help to give) and community service announcements along with vulger rants blaming the current situation on political leaders on both sides, or 5G towers, or international plots to destroy America, or aliens (to be fair, that one was speculation). Along with URGENT posts to let everyone know there's a dog wandering the neighborhood who looks like it might be lost.3
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In regards to TP, it's not just hoarders , it's that most of us use the bathroom several times a day at work, we are now all home. Nationally that's millions more home bathroom trips. Also most corporate offices buy their supplies elsewhere https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0
I've been experiencing this! A 6 pack of double rolls usually gets me well over a month because I work 10 hours a day, 5 days a week. But since I've been working from home, my stash is thinning quickly. I have 2 toilet paper holders for the two toilets in the house; each has about 2 rolls left. I have 1 6 pack I bought before all the insanity started. And I haven't seen anything but Dollar General single ply 4 packs in over 3 weeks now. I'm getting a little nervous here!
Thankfully, my sister works at Krogers and she told me she was able to snag a 12 pack today when they put out the pallet, so if I run completely out, I've got a backup for a couple of rolls at least.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Just spoke to someone who lives nearby who has been grocery shopping every week and he said today was the first time he's been able to get milk, eggs, and bread in the same trip. Not TP though. I'm hoping eventually everybody will have so much TP in their homes they'll realize they need the space for other things. Like turning around.
I may have posted this already, but early on I read someone (elsewhere) complaining that HomeDepot was shockingly full and wondering if everyone was building an extension to house all their new TP.
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Re the toilet paper..one time I read that someone couldn’t believe how much tp & coffee they went thru after retiring. Would be the same with everyone home.4
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I'm not convinced that the TP shortage is due to people increasing use at home. I would think that the supply chain can handle the 50% of people spending 10-12 hours more at home. Especially where I live, where people seem to be moving about as much as always, I'm guessing the number of people staying home is more like 20% rather than 50%. And yet, there has been no TP in stores I've visited for weeks. When I look online, I can find some that will ship late May or early June... which means it doesn't actually exist yet. So we are basically saying that 20%-50% of the population staying home 40% more of the time is enough to have sucked the entire supply chain dry so there is nothing left in stores, on trucks, nor in warehouses. And there will be no more for months. Some people spending some more hours at home just doesn't make sense that it could cause this level of shortage. There are definitely hoarders severe enough to have made significant impacts on supply.5
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i went out this evening for what's become my Sunday carry-out ritual to support local restaurants and I happened to go to a barbecue place that was in a strip mall that had a grocery store, and I got to thinking about the rationale of trying to not go out too often (less chance of having car trouble or an accident that would mean someone would have to come help you), and about the conversation I had with someone nearby earlier today that sounded like maybe grocery stores were starting to have things back in stock, so I broke my three-week grocery-shopping fast and went in.
There was lots of fresh produce, so I got what I thought I could eat before it goes bad (mostly fruit and bell peppers, as I had ordered greens from the barbecue place). There were no eggs. There wasn't a lot of fresh dairy milk, and most of it was either chocolate (which I didn't want) or lactose-free (which I don't need), so I got some unsweetened soy milk instead. It looked like there was a fair amount of bread available, but I just baked a loaf yesterday (sprouted wheat with dried fruit, nuts, and seeds), so I didn't really examine what was available. The paper goods aisle was practically empty. No TP, a few boxes of Kleenex, and a couple of packages of paper towels.
But what struck me was how uncomfortable I was being around the customers. The staff all had masks, and I was wearing a makeshift cloth mask, but only about half of the other customers had masks, and the ones that didn't have masks seemed to be making zero effort to maintain six-feet of distance, and they would walk right past me while they were talking -- droplets!! Ack! I felt like Lucy when Snoopy would lick her face. Dog germs! Covid germs! Honestly, I was exhausted from the stress/anxiety by the time I left the store, so I guess I won't be in a big hurry to go back.
ETA -- the grocery was making announcements over the loud speaker reminding folks to keep six feet of distance. (They weren't controlling how many people were coming in but it wasn't crowded.)9 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That is concerning... People as vectors - weird when you think about it. I read an article earlier today about cats being able to become infected, but the study had only been on cats who were intentionally injected with the virus (which makes me mad). And the earlier articles about dogs being susceptible were concerning as well. I have two giant dogs, three cats, nine chickens... Ok. A zoo. I have a zoo. Anyway, the idea that we may be able to make our pets sick really bothers me.
Hope you're staying sane and aren't going too stir-crazy @Chef_Barbell.
People as vectors does sound weird. I read an article about viruses tonight. Part of the article is pasted below followed with some questions/thoughts that I have about SARS-CoV-2.
BY Eva Emerson OCTOBER 30, 1998
Are viruses alive? After more than 25 years of studying the tiny disease-carrying microbes, Michael Lai thinks so.
“Viruses are very intelligent. They can think. They do things that we do not expect. They adapt to the environment. They change themselves in order to survive,” said Lai, professor of molecular microbiology and immunology and a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator.
The reason why some high school biology teachers might argue with his stance, Lai notes, is that a virus can be crystallized similar to nonliving matter. Plus, viruses depend on other living things to reproduce.
Viruses have ways to enter the human body (through the nasal passages, mouth, skin or via injection). Many have evolved defenses to help them evade the immune system. Viruses that cause infection in humans hold a “key” that allows them to unlock normal molecules (called viral receptors) on a human cell surface and slip inside.
Once in, viruses commandeer the cell’s nucleic acid and protein-making machinery, so that more copies of the virus can be made.......
One thing that has always interested me is how "intelligent" animals or any life form great or small seem to be and the the "why" of their existence.
SARS-CoV-2 has been around for a while most likely but it has recently gained the attention of the entire world and the greatest minds of our time. It is as if we hold SARS-CoV-2 with high regard and have made many posts about SARS-CoV-2 and the people leading the war on SARS-CoV-2 and we do a body count of those who lose their battle with SARS-CoV-2 and count those that survived the attack made by SARS-CoV-2.
We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to help people which we have never met. We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to attack people we have never met. SARS-CoV-2 is living rent free in our heads and must be calling the shots since we are trying to read its mind as to its next move like "let us guess how many of us that SARS-CoV-2 will kill tomorrow.
We agree that SARS-CoV-2 per satellite images has been helping Mother Nature clean up her home. Smog is dissipating, polluted streams are starting to run more clear. Wild animals are now seen walking some city streets.
We can clearly see we are not needed to fix the messes that we have made of nature. Clearly nature can fix everything once man is removed from the picture just fine by herself.
What would we do if we had to deal with both SARS-CoV-2 and locust at the same time as some of the least prepared peoples of the world are struggling with tonight.
Maybe Dotty Pardon is on to something when she talks about SARS-CoV-2 maybe is our wake-up call. SARS-CoV-2 is in the drivers seat tonight and like the feather in Forrest Gump tonight with us running around like a chicken after having its head chopped off.
Tonight who is in charge of the current events, the leaders of the known world or SARS-CoV-2? Does Man have dominion over the world tonight or it that just something our Ego made up long ago and we are still listening to that false narrative?2 -
We're plateauing here in Italy. New cases are going down, slowly but it's still a downward trend. People are antsy for this to be over, therefore, lots of discussion on "Phase 2". It was announced that masks are obligatory in Northern Italy and Tuscany. Masks will be free and distributed by pharmacies. People are still to stay home, and go out only when necessary. They are afraid of an Easter rush to go to visit relatives or go to second homes, especially at the beach. Our weather is glorious.
Since this is basically a prep thread, I'm going to recommend ordering masks if you can. As you've seen, we're ahead of you by 2-3 weeks. When things start getting better, you'll be following us (if what we do here works). Your "Phase 2" will also be masks. It may take you a month to get them if ordered now. Remember TP. If you wait until everyone catches on, it'll be a longer wait. We ordered a box of 50 for $17 online. I'm still using my handmade one, with a filter slipped inside, and disinfect it after every use. My family will use the ones ordered. Even if you don't use them the cost is minimal, and they can be donated after, since this virus will be with us for a long time. Also, if a family member is infected, you should use a mask when in contact. Some will probably think this is not good advice, however, from what I'm seeing here I'd like my MFPers and their families to be ahead of the game. If you don't agree, that's perfectly fine. I sincerely hope that you are right and I am wrong.14 -
cmriverside wrote: »Last time I mentioned in this thread that I thought I might have gotten Covid back in late November ( and Ann rolled her eyes at me ) I hesitated to mention that my cat got really sick about a week after I had been coughing on her all night long. I thought I was going to lose her. I managed to syringe feed her for 10 days, and gave her sub-q fluids daily for two weeks and she recovered.
JS.
Again...neither of us went to the doctor. I can't prove it. Just another suspicious link.
My mother believes she had it in early January. In central(ish) US. All I'll say is that she falls squarely into the 'high-risk' category for this virus... so whether or not I think it's plausible that she did have it, she recovered so I hope she is right.
@galehawkins - that's an interesting article excerpt. Do you have the link? I'd be interested in reading the rest of it.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »We're plateauing here in Italy. New cases are going down, slowly but it's still a downward trend. People are antsy for this to be over, therefore, lots of discussion on "Phase 2". It was announced that masks are obligatory in Northern Italy and Tuscany. Masks will be free and distributed by pharmacies. People are still to stay home, and go out only when necessary. They are afraid of an Easter rush to go to visit relatives or go to second homes, especially at the beach. Our weather is glorious.
Since this is basically a prep thread, I'm going to recommend ordering masks if you can. As you've seen, we're ahead of you by 2-3 weeks. When things start getting better, you'll be following us (if what we do here works). Your "Phase 2" will also be masks. It may take you a month to get them if ordered now. Remember TP. If you wait until everyone catches on, it'll be a longer wait. We ordered a box of 50 for $17 online. I'm still using my handmade one, with a filter slipped inside, and disinfect it after every use. My family will use the ones ordered. Even if you don't use them the cost is minimal, and they can be donated after, since this virus will be with us for a long time. Also, if a family member is infected, you should use a mask when in contact. Some will probably think this is not good advice, however, from what I'm seeing here I'd like my MFPers and their families to be ahead of the game. If you don't agree, that's perfectly fine. I sincerely hope that you are right and I am wrong.
Thank you for the updates and advice @snowflake954.5 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Last time I mentioned in this thread that I thought I might have gotten Covid back in late November ( and Ann rolled her eyes at me ) I hesitated to mention that my cat got really sick about a week after I had been coughing on her all night long. I thought I was going to lose her. I managed to syringe feed her for 10 days, and gave her sub-q fluids daily for two weeks and she recovered.
JS.
Again...neither of us went to the doctor. I can't prove it. Just another suspicious link.
My mother believes she had it in early January. In central(ish) US. All I'll say is that she falls squarely into the 'high-risk' category for this virus... so whether or not I think it's plausible that she did have it, she recovered so I hope she is right.
@galehawkins - that's an interesting article excerpt. Do you have the link? I'd be interested in reading the rest of it.
I admit that at first, I was in the camp that "it was here already" back in December/January time frame. And I've encountered a lot of people in my area that think that. And that's because especially in January, there was this really virulent strain of the flu going around - bad enough that the local school system shut down for 3 days because over half the student body had it. It did have a pretty bad chest component to it; the dry cough lasted for weeks after a person got over it.
but like I told my mom who did have it, if it had truly been COVID-19, way more people would have gotten it because none of this protection was going on then. Especially in my parents' household as my parents sleep in the same bed, and it wouldn't matter what disease my mom has, neither of them will go to the spare bed until its over. Now granted, yes, my dad sleeps with a C-pap machine, but that is still pulling in from the outside air and mom is is primary care-giver so they are in close contact all day. Dad did not catch what mom had. Dad has bad lungs; if it was COVID-19, there is no way he would have avoided it.
I don't know if Mom believes me or not, but I think she at least thought about it. But thinking that it's already been here and people have already had it and gotten over it is dangerous thinking because those same people think it's not a big deal nor will they willingly comply with safety measures.
Like one cashier that my sister work's with at the grocery store who snapped that she refuses to wear a mask and gloves if the store makes them mandatory. *shakes head* I consider that pretty selfish thinking. And if she refuses, well, there's people who need a job these days.......13 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Last time I mentioned in this thread that I thought I might have gotten Covid back in late November ( and Ann rolled her eyes at me ) I hesitated to mention that my cat got really sick about a week after I had been coughing on her all night long. I thought I was going to lose her. I managed to syringe feed her for 10 days, and gave her sub-q fluids daily for two weeks and she recovered.
JS.
Again...neither of us went to the doctor. I can't prove it. Just another suspicious link.
My mother believes she had it in early January. In central(ish) US. All I'll say is that she falls squarely into the 'high-risk' category for this virus... so whether or not I think it's plausible that she did have it, she recovered so I hope she is right.
@galehawkins - that's an interesting article excerpt. Do you have the link? I'd be interested in reading the rest of it.
I admit that at first, I was in the camp that "it was here already" back in December/January time frame. And I've encountered a lot of people in my area that think that. And that's because especially in January, there was this really virulent strain of the flu going around - bad enough that the local school system shut down for 3 days because over half the student body had it. It did have a pretty bad chest component to it; the dry cough lasted for weeks after a person got over it.
but like I told my mom who did have it, if it had truly been COVID-19, way more people would have gotten it because none of this protection was going on then. Especially in my parents' household as my parents sleep in the same bed, and it wouldn't matter what disease my mom has, neither of them will go to the spare bed until its over. Now granted, yes, my dad sleeps with a C-pap machine, but that is still pulling in from the outside air and mom is is primary care-giver so they are in close contact all day. Dad did not catch what mom had. Dad has bad lungs; if it was COVID-19, there is no way he would have avoided it.
I don't know if Mom believes me or not, but I think she at least thought about it. But thinking that it's already been here and people have already had it and gotten over it is dangerous thinking because those same people think it's not a big deal nor will they willingly comply with safety measures.
Like one cashier that my sister work's with at the grocery store who snapped that she refuses to wear a mask and gloves if the store makes them mandatory. *shakes head* I consider that pretty selfish thinking. And if she refuses, well, there's people who need a job these days.......
Since I was one who said I may have had it, I'll weigh in on this.
I am also swabbing my groceries, holding new food for four days before eating, I've been wearing a mask, I haven't been out of my house other than an isolated walk daily and two trips to the store since March 10. So, even though I think, "Maybe, could be, perhaps I already had it," I don't know for sure and I'm still pretty scared/cautious. Even IF I did have it, I don't know for sure. I'm on the West coast, just a couple miles from the first U.S. outbreak. I think it's possible. I'll likely never know.
As far as the "deniers" - this is a heavy burden to carry, all of this. Lots of people have lost faith in government long before this happened. I think at some point it's pretty easy to get to the point of saying, "Well. This is happening. I can't control it. I'm not going to let it hold me back." I can see how that could be happening along with the fact it isn't killing large numbers of younger people.
Denial - as they say - it's not just a river in Egypt, it's a coping mechanism.3 -
We do not agree. The idea that we're seeing some kind of massive fix to the ecosystem actually comes from several false stories. Yes, as humans are indoors more, animals are outdoors more, but a lot of the images of them retake the planet are faked.GaleHawkins wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That is concerning... People as vectors - weird when you think about it. I read an article earlier today about cats being able to become infected, but the study had only been on cats who were intentionally injected with the virus (which makes me mad). And the earlier articles about dogs being susceptible were concerning as well. I have two giant dogs, three cats, nine chickens... Ok. A zoo. I have a zoo. Anyway, the idea that we may be able to make our pets sick really bothers me.
Hope you're staying sane and aren't going too stir-crazy @Chef_Barbell.
People as vectors does sound weird. I read an article about viruses tonight. Part of the article is pasted below followed with some questions/thoughts that I have about SARS-CoV-2.
BY Eva Emerson OCTOBER 30, 1998
Are viruses alive? After more than 25 years of studying the tiny disease-carrying microbes, Michael Lai thinks so.
“Viruses are very intelligent. They can think. They do things that we do not expect. They adapt to the environment. They change themselves in order to survive,” said Lai, professor of molecular microbiology and immunology and a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator.
The reason why some high school biology teachers might argue with his stance, Lai notes, is that a virus can be crystallized similar to nonliving matter. Plus, viruses depend on other living things to reproduce.
Viruses have ways to enter the human body (through the nasal passages, mouth, skin or via injection). Many have evolved defenses to help them evade the immune system. Viruses that cause infection in humans hold a “key” that allows them to unlock normal molecules (called viral receptors) on a human cell surface and slip inside.
Once in, viruses commandeer the cell’s nucleic acid and protein-making machinery, so that more copies of the virus can be made.......
One thing that has always interested me is how "intelligent" animals or any life form great or small seem to be and the the "why" of their existence.
SARS-CoV-2 has been around for a while most likely but it has recently gained the attention of the entire world and the greatest minds of our time. It is as if we hold SARS-CoV-2 with high regard and have made many posts about SARS-CoV-2 and the people leading the war on SARS-CoV-2 and we do a body count of those who lose their battle with SARS-CoV-2 and count those that survived the attack made by SARS-CoV-2.
We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to help people which we have never met. We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to attack people we have never met. SARS-CoV-2 is living rent free in our heads and must be calling the shots since we are trying to read its mind as to its next move like "let us guess how many of us that SARS-CoV-2 will kill tomorrow.
We agree that SARS-CoV-2 per satellite images has been helping Mother Nature clean up her home. Smog is dissipating, polluted streams are starting to run more clear. Wild animals are now seen walking some city streets.
We can clearly see we are not needed to fix the messes that we have made of nature. Clearly nature can fix everything once man is removed from the picture just fine by herself.
What would we do if we had to deal with both SARS-CoV-2 and locust at the same time as some of the least prepared peoples of the world are struggling with tonight.
Maybe Dotty Pardon is on to something when she talks about SARS-CoV-2 maybe is our wake-up call. SARS-CoV-2 is in the drivers seat tonight and like the feather in Forrest Gump tonight with us running around like a chicken after having its head chopped off.
Tonight who is in charge of the current events, the leaders of the known world or SARS-CoV-2? Does Man have dominion over the world tonight or it that just something our Ego made up long ago and we are still listening to that false narrative?
Pretty much any economic downturn involves reduced CO2 output. That's just a consequence of a CO2 based energy production in an global economy based on energy dependence. It isn't making the kind of structural changes that will actually avert the future problems truly looming out there.
Ultimately, these stories of Coronavirus being Gaia's immune system have a sick tendency to push people towards eugenic / Malthusian / Population control ideas, and then racism comes along and pushes it to the people making the problem are somehow the people over there. It is never, of course, the people in the countries consuming at up to 25x the per capita that are the problem, supposedly it is always those people with their numbers when despite their numbers, their countries are responsible for less of the pollution. Or even worse, a chunk of their pollution is done towards producing things sold to the people living at the 25x per capita consumption.19 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I guess I don't get the thing about being horrified about the cursive writing. Our grandparents had some skills that we don't have. My great-nieces and nephews will doubtlessly possess the ability to do things that I cannot. There's no general reason why skillsets must remain unchanging through generations.
It will be rather difficult to read original source information for a historian if they can't read cursive handwriting, and before you ask, I had a friend who started into a History Master's degree and it was vital that they get their information from the original sources, not copies or typed copies.
So one downside of not learning how to read cursive is a loss of history and information. If Great-grandaddy's journal is passed down, how will the child who can't read cursive read it and learn about his ancestor's thoughts?
That's a pretty small group of people and they can learn to read older styles of handwriting (just as historians do now). I had to read some stuff in Latin for my degree. I didn't enter college with the ability to read Latin, but I learned it as it became clear where my academic interests laid.
The person who wants to learn how to read cursive to read family documents will be able to pick up that skill, no?12 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I'm not convinced that the TP shortage is due to people increasing use at home. I would think that the supply chain can handle the 50% of people spending 10-12 hours more at home. Especially where I live, where people seem to be moving about as much as always, I'm guessing the number of people staying home is more like 20% rather than 50%. And yet, there has been no TP in stores I've visited for weeks. When I look online, I can find some that will ship late May or early June... which means it doesn't actually exist yet. So we are basically saying that 20%-50% of the population staying home 40% more of the time is enough to have sucked the entire supply chain dry so there is nothing left in stores, on trucks, nor in warehouses. And there will be no more for months. Some people spending some more hours at home just doesn't make sense that it could cause this level of shortage. There are definitely hoarders severe enough to have made significant impacts on supply.
Actually, here's an article on why the consumer toilet paper supply chain can't really handle any increase in demand. It's designed on the expectation of fairly constant demand, and already running at full capacity.
https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0
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magnusthenerd wrote: »
We do not agree. The idea that we're seeing some kind of massive fix to the ecosystem actually comes from several false stories. Yes, as humans are indoors more, animals are outdoors more, but a lot of the images of them retake the planet are faked.GaleHawkins wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That is concerning... People as vectors - weird when you think about it. I read an article earlier today about cats being able to become infected, but the study had only been on cats who were intentionally injected with the virus (which makes me mad). And the earlier articles about dogs being susceptible were concerning as well. I have two giant dogs, three cats, nine chickens... Ok. A zoo. I have a zoo. Anyway, the idea that we may be able to make our pets sick really bothers me.
Hope you're staying sane and aren't going too stir-crazy @Chef_Barbell.
People as vectors does sound weird. I read an article about viruses tonight. Part of the article is pasted below followed with some questions/thoughts that I have about SARS-CoV-2.
BY Eva Emerson OCTOBER 30, 1998
Are viruses alive? After more than 25 years of studying the tiny disease-carrying microbes, Michael Lai thinks so.
“Viruses are very intelligent. They can think. They do things that we do not expect. They adapt to the environment. They change themselves in order to survive,” said Lai, professor of molecular microbiology and immunology and a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator.
The reason why some high school biology teachers might argue with his stance, Lai notes, is that a virus can be crystallized similar to nonliving matter. Plus, viruses depend on other living things to reproduce.
Viruses have ways to enter the human body (through the nasal passages, mouth, skin or via injection). Many have evolved defenses to help them evade the immune system. Viruses that cause infection in humans hold a “key” that allows them to unlock normal molecules (called viral receptors) on a human cell surface and slip inside.
Once in, viruses commandeer the cell’s nucleic acid and protein-making machinery, so that more copies of the virus can be made.......
One thing that has always interested me is how "intelligent" animals or any life form great or small seem to be and the the "why" of their existence.
SARS-CoV-2 has been around for a while most likely but it has recently gained the attention of the entire world and the greatest minds of our time. It is as if we hold SARS-CoV-2 with high regard and have made many posts about SARS-CoV-2 and the people leading the war on SARS-CoV-2 and we do a body count of those who lose their battle with SARS-CoV-2 and count those that survived the attack made by SARS-CoV-2.
We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to help people which we have never met. We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to attack people we have never met. SARS-CoV-2 is living rent free in our heads and must be calling the shots since we are trying to read its mind as to its next move like "let us guess how many of us that SARS-CoV-2 will kill tomorrow.
We agree that SARS-CoV-2 per satellite images has been helping Mother Nature clean up her home. Smog is dissipating, polluted streams are starting to run more clear. Wild animals are now seen walking some city streets.
We can clearly see we are not needed to fix the messes that we have made of nature. Clearly nature can fix everything once man is removed from the picture just fine by herself.
What would we do if we had to deal with both SARS-CoV-2 and locust at the same time as some of the least prepared peoples of the world are struggling with tonight.
Maybe Dotty Pardon is on to something when she talks about SARS-CoV-2 maybe is our wake-up call. SARS-CoV-2 is in the drivers seat tonight and like the feather in Forrest Gump tonight with us running around like a chicken after having its head chopped off.
Tonight who is in charge of the current events, the leaders of the known world or SARS-CoV-2? Does Man have dominion over the world tonight or it that just something our Ego made up long ago and we are still listening to that false narrative?
Pretty much any economic downturn involves reduced CO2 output. That's just a consequence of a CO2 based energy production in an global economy based on energy dependence. It isn't making the kind of structural changes that will actually avert the future problems truly looming out there.
Ultimately, these stories of Coronavirus being Gaia's immune system have a sick tendency to push people towards eugenic / Malthusian / Population control ideas, and then racism comes along and pushes it to the people making the problem are somehow the people over there. It is never, of course, the people in the countries consuming at up to 25x the per capita that are the problem, supposedly it is always those people with their numbers when despite their numbers, their countries are responsible for less of the pollution. Or even worse, a chunk of their pollution is done towards producing things sold to the people living at the 25x per capita consumption.
Thanks for agreeing with the other points in the post you quoted.0 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »Last time I mentioned in this thread that I thought I might have gotten Covid back in late November ( and Ann rolled her eyes at me ) I hesitated to mention that my cat got really sick about a week after I had been coughing on her all night long. I thought I was going to lose her. I managed to syringe feed her for 10 days, and gave her sub-q fluids daily for two weeks and she recovered.
JS.
Again...neither of us went to the doctor. I can't prove it. Just another suspicious link.
My mother believes she had it in early January. In central(ish) US. All I'll say is that she falls squarely into the 'high-risk' category for this virus... so whether or not I think it's plausible that she did have it, she recovered so I hope she is right.
@galehawkins - that's an interesting article excerpt. Do you have the link? I'd be interested in reading the rest of it.
https://news.usc.edu/9791/researcher-teases-out-secrets-from-surprisingly-intelligent-viruses/
Researcher teases out secrets from surprisingly ‘intelligent’ viruses
BY Eva Emerson OCTOBER 30, 1998
@JustSomeEm above is a link to the source you requested. I like older articles because in the middle of any pandemic most articles on the subject may be more based on pop science sometimes. Glad you and your cat are fine. Maybe when this event is closer to the end/pause point you can get the drop of blood test to see if you have the antibodies that would prove you were dealing the same virus. I know I plan to do that. What boggles my mind is maybe half of us who have this virus are never aware of it and can be spreaders. After the tiger tested positive the other day we know it is cats as well as other animals.3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
So...I'm going to get flak for this...but I JUST yesterday said to my husband that I think people would be taking this more seriously if they thought their dogs/cats might be harmed. Like, protecting Grandma and Grandpa wasn't enough motivation to take precautions, but if there's a possibility that something might happen to little Fluffy...!!16 -
The situation is fluid. There's so much nitwittery from day to day with internet hoax cures. I'm sure you've heard the new one....just gargle with salt water 3 X day = nitwittery. I'm waiting for VA hospital updates. None, yet.
Situation, fluid. We don't know what will happen this fall or winter or when it will show back up again.
The yay-hoo on the radio keeps telling everyone it won't be long before things are back to normal. The high school prom and graduation and track meets will surely happen at the end of the month. They are living in an imaginary lalaland.
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »Re the toilet paper..one time I read that someone couldn’t believe how much tp & coffee they went thru after retiring. Would be the same with everyone home.
TMI
My husband has IBS and works full time. Regarding TP, well, let's just say when he's home there's a considerable difference in usage 😄4 -
What a weird world... I am only going out once every couple of weeks so there are significant changes to my normal public spaces each time (well, I haven’t really been anywhere other than the grocery store). Went to the PO to mail my uncle some masks and they had a thick sheet of plastic up with a small hole for access and a sign that only 3 are allowed in the lobby at a time. Aldi has made huge changes to their system and have workers out front sanitizing every cart as it comes back (no quarter needed right now!). I didn’t take bags in, choosing to sort and bag at the car (spritzing everything down as I went). Only 40 people in the store at a time so when I realized I forgot bread for the family I had to wait in line to get back in the store. A single line for the registers (which I accidentally cut in the first trip in because I came in on the opposite side and didn’t see it). No unloading grocieries on the belt until it is fully clear from the customer ahead of you.
ETA: no TP still, meat was slim but there... frozen veggies were sparse... trying to remember what else wasn’t typical.
Oh! And more people wearing masks out and about, but still the minority. The workers both at the PO and grocery store were bare faced, but I know somewhere locally as of last week was discouraging workers from wearing gloves or masks “so not to panic the customers” (don’t know where it was, where a friend’s daughter works and she was talking about it on our 6’ apart walk).6 -
31 new cases today, I wish the news here was a bit more... informative.. people are testing positive in places that make it appear that it's no longer travel related here and yet there is no mention on if it is or isn't.
Makes it frustrating because once its confirmed to be spreading through non travel and becoming communicable.. I'm going to have to start trying to convince my stubborn family.members to stop going to the grocery store every week... especially my 82 year old grandmother7 -
I have been looking for this, so thought I’d share, in case others are looking, too.14 -
UK Prime Minister now in Intensive Care 😱
That’s pretty damn scary.9 -
Actually its the Russians saying that. The British population are being told he is in hospital for tests and is still running the country from his hospital bed. This is as of 6-00 oclock News. (18-00 hrs UK Time)1
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Actually its the Russians saying that. The British population are being told he is in hospital for tests and is still running the country from his hospital bed. This is as of 6-00 oclock News. (18-00 hrs UK Time)
That may be true for the time stamp you mention but it’s on the BBC News right now in the U.K. 🙄11 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »
I have been looking for this, so thought I’d share, in case others are looking, too.
I wonder about their methodology, since “quilting fabric” isn’t a monolithic thing. There are cheap quilting fabrics with low thread count and premium quilting fabrics with higher count and tighter weave and a lot in between. And all of them seem to be considerably less tight-woven than a high count cotton pillowcase, which potentially could have exactly the same weave.
I’m thinking there’s about to be a run on furnace filters and vacuum bags if there hasn’t been already.
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