Coronavirus prep
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I evidently have an overnight mask making business@earlnabby
I have also been told that using a non woven lining in between the two fabric layers is best. I had some fusible interfacing and made mask using higher thread count fabrics. Sheets are a great idea, I have some 600 count sheets I have been saving to use as drop cloths. Now we just need to be able to find elastic which would be easier than making my own bias tape for ties. Local stores have been sold out of Bias tape, elastic, shoe laces, etc, for weeks and online stores are projecting that they cannot ship until May.
Thank you for taking care of your local Humane Society!
losing track of the amount I have made, but around 150 at this point with more orders/requests coming in (my husband’s work, a construction crew, and then branching out from there as people talk... eek! Also sending them across the country to family!). What am i using for ties? The cheap clothesline from Dollar General. Using 4 ties at 15” each I can get 20 masks from one $4 roll. I don’t know how anyone could hang wet clothes on it because it is super stretchy, but also very soft against the skin. It’s getting harder to find though... 6 -
Lol is that seriously why some people hit disagree? Cause of a typo?? LoL...2
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I'm not convinced that the TP shortage is due to people increasing use at home. I would think that the supply chain can handle the 50% of people spending 10-12 hours more at home. Especially where I live, where people seem to be moving about as much as always, I'm guessing the number of people staying home is more like 20% rather than 50%. And yet, there has been no TP in stores I've visited for weeks. When I look online, I can find some that will ship late May or early June... which means it doesn't actually exist yet. So we are basically saying that 20%-50% of the population staying home 40% more of the time is enough to have sucked the entire supply chain dry so there is nothing left in stores, on trucks, nor in warehouses. And there will be no more for months. Some people spending some more hours at home just doesn't make sense that it could cause this level of shortage. There are definitely hoarders severe enough to have made significant impacts on supply.
Actually, here's an article on why the consumer toilet paper supply chain can't really handle any increase in demand. It's designed on the expectation of fairly constant demand, and already running at full capacity.
https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0
This is the same article previously shared that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If 20%-50% of the population is buying 40% more while some of us are buying 100% less and running out because we can't find any; how can it be that there is nothing left on shelves, nothing left on trucks to the store, nothing left in retail warehouses, nothing left in manufacturer warehouses, and nothing left on trucks to the retail warehouses? I just don't see how the math could possibly work unless there is significant enough hoarding to make a difference.
ETA: And apparently all the production for the next 6 weeks is spoken for because that is when everyone is saying they expect to have more.
My husband asked the Kroger guy yesterday when was the best time to be there to try to get toilet paper and he just laughed. He said he hasn’t seen any for weeks.
There’s a TP factory down the road and I keep hearing rumors that employees have been absconding with pallets full for their families. A friend of a friend actually offered to “hook me up” with some TP. So that’s where we’re at now in America, black market TP.10 -
Maybe you already know this, but in case not: If you end up needing to make bias tape, look up one of the very many sites on the web that explain how to make continuous bias strip from a square of fabric. Much, much easier that way. Still mildly a pain, though.
I am so grateful you mentioned this! I ran out of elastic and it's sold out everywhere, so I'd resigned to the realization my new masks would need bias tape ties. I'd almost forgotten about this technique.
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Strudders67 wrote: »@snowflake954 thanks for all your updates, they've been really helpful. What masks did you order? How did you decide which one to go for? I'm in the UK and, looking on Amazon, the vast majority look to be identical blue ones (but at differing prices / pack sizes) although there are a few alternatives. They all seem to be coming from China and most have a delivery range of between 25th April and 5th May.
I have to be honest. There were so many different types to choose from, and I'm no expert. My son kept insisting "which one, Mom!?", so I just told him to get the one with the most stars, and I liked the description that they presented. They're mono use, but I know the rest of the family is not going to go for sterilizing, changing filters, etc.2 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Many Car insurance companies giving discounts since everyone's staying home just call check they'll lower or refund portion of your payments
https://apple.news/AMVdWHpvMSpCKuIHWDOOj7Q
More than 15 years ago, when I changed jobs and traded a 50-mile daily roundtrip commute for walking + public transit, and told my insurance company, they raised my rates, even though I was going to be driving about 12,000 miles less per year. Their justification was that accidents per non-work-commute mile were higher than accidents per work-commute mile. I pointed out that I wasn't driving anymore non-commuting miles than I had been. The only change was the elimination of 12,000 commuting miles per year. It took a lot of going back and forth with my repeatedly pointing out the illogic of their policy before I finally got them to see the light by pointing out that while I had up to then been very happy with their service, I wasn't stupid enough to pay more for less, and there were other insurance companies that might want my business. And my homeowners policy, as well, of course (they insured both).6 -
So... how about that hot beverage?0
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I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
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I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
I tend to agree with you, but it seems too many people were shopping for fun instead of for necessities and overcrowding the stores.5 -
My best friend is really upset with her employer right now. She has been going into work because of difficulties setting her to up work from home. They make them take their temperature everyday before coming into work. She has bad allergies, and springtime is the worst, and Friday, her temp was up to 100 degrees due to what she knew was nothing more than a sinus infection that she gets every year due to allergies. She debated on telling the employer, but finally felt honesty was right. All they heard was her temp was up and sent her home, telling her she has to self quarantine for 2 weeks. She contacted her doctor on the phone; he ordered a flu test and a COVID test. Talking with him, he also agreed it was highly unlikely she had COVID - she does have very bad lungs and is a prime candidate for the pneumonia if she does get it. Besides, she doesn't have a cough, she doesn't have body aches, and she doesn't have tightness in her chest.
The flu test came back negative; the COVID test is supposed to be back in 4 to 12 days as lab corp is backed up (and I thought they had a rapid test now? Guess it's not in WV). However, her employer told her that it does not matter if the test comes back negative; she still has to stay self quarantined until she shows no other symptoms - no fever, no shortness of breath. Except she always has shortness of breath due to bad asthma and the allergies! AND they are making her take vacation time for this 2 week period!
She says she'll have to lie when the 2 weeks is up just so she can do her job and get her paycheck.
Usually, she's really behind her company and pointing out how it is better than the utility I work for (she works for the other power utility in the state); this time, however, my corporation actually put into place a better policy than hers has, because my utility is paying straight time for anyone who has to self-quarantine and cannot work from home, and sick leave automatically goes into place for the entire time one needs to be home with the illness until they test negative and are released by their doctor.8 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »My best friend is really upset with her employer right now. She has been going into work because of difficulties setting her to up work from home. They make them take their temperature everyday before coming into work. She has bad allergies, and springtime is the worst, and Friday, her temp was up to 100 degrees due to what she knew was nothing more than a sinus infection that she gets every year due to allergies. She debated on telling the employer, but finally felt honesty was right. All they heard was her temp was up and sent her home, telling her she has to self quarantine for 2 weeks. She contacted her doctor on the phone; he ordered a flu test and a COVID test. Talking with him, he also agreed it was highly unlikely she had COVID - she does have very bad lungs and is a prime candidate for the pneumonia if she does get it. Besides, she doesn't have a cough, she doesn't have body aches, and she doesn't have tightness in her chest.
The flu test came back negative; the COVID test is supposed to be back in 4 to 12 days as lab corp is backed up (and I thought they had a rapid test now? Guess it's not in WV). However, her employer told her that it does not matter if the test comes back negative; she still has to stay self quarantined until she shows no other symptoms - no fever, no shortness of breath. Except she always has shortness of breath due to bad asthma and the allergies! AND they are making her take vacation time for this 2 week period!
She says she'll have to lie when the 2 weeks is up just so she can do her job and get her paycheck.
Usually, she's really behind her company and pointing out how it is better than the utility I work for (she works for the other power utility in the state); this time, however, my corporation actually put into place a better policy than hers has, because my utility is paying straight time for anyone who has to self-quarantine and cannot work from home, and sick leave automatically goes into place for the entire time one needs to be home with the illness until they test negative and are released by their doctor.
I’m sorry, but I have read a dozen different stories written by people who thought they had allergies for several days, had none of the typical symptoms, and turned out to have covid after all. Not to mention that the covid test has a high false negative rate, which explains why she needs to quarantine even with a negative test.
It’s not right that they haven’t gotten her properly set up to work from home or that they are making her take sick leave.15 -
@rheddmobile
They aren't making her take sick leave; they are making her take vacation time--sick leave wouldn't have upset her nearly as much; its forcing her to use up all her vacation time for the year that has her angry, and I don't blame her for it.
And trust me, this girl catches everything coming and going and ends up severely sick just about every time. If she gets COVID-19, she will get a severe case - she is definitely one of the vulnerable people they warn about it, especially as she's been dealing with medical issues for the last 2 years, so she's worn down now as it is physically.
My question is, if you don't have any of the symptoms and also test negative, why should you still assume you may have it? what is the point of testing or publishing symptom lists, then? How would we ever rule out anyone having it and make it safe for them to be in public?1 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »
We do not agree. The idea that we're seeing some kind of massive fix to the ecosystem actually comes from several false stories. Yes, as humans are indoors more, animals are outdoors more, but a lot of the images of them retake the planet are faked.GaleHawkins wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »
That is concerning... People as vectors - weird when you think about it. I read an article earlier today about cats being able to become infected, but the study had only been on cats who were intentionally injected with the virus (which makes me mad). And the earlier articles about dogs being susceptible were concerning as well. I have two giant dogs, three cats, nine chickens... Ok. A zoo. I have a zoo. Anyway, the idea that we may be able to make our pets sick really bothers me.
Hope you're staying sane and aren't going too stir-crazy @Chef_Barbell.
People as vectors does sound weird. I read an article about viruses tonight. Part of the article is pasted below followed with some questions/thoughts that I have about SARS-CoV-2.
BY Eva Emerson OCTOBER 30, 1998
Are viruses alive? After more than 25 years of studying the tiny disease-carrying microbes, Michael Lai thinks so.
“Viruses are very intelligent. They can think. They do things that we do not expect. They adapt to the environment. They change themselves in order to survive,” said Lai, professor of molecular microbiology and immunology and a Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigator.
The reason why some high school biology teachers might argue with his stance, Lai notes, is that a virus can be crystallized similar to nonliving matter. Plus, viruses depend on other living things to reproduce.
Viruses have ways to enter the human body (through the nasal passages, mouth, skin or via injection). Many have evolved defenses to help them evade the immune system. Viruses that cause infection in humans hold a “key” that allows them to unlock normal molecules (called viral receptors) on a human cell surface and slip inside.
Once in, viruses commandeer the cell’s nucleic acid and protein-making machinery, so that more copies of the virus can be made.......
One thing that has always interested me is how "intelligent" animals or any life form great or small seem to be and the the "why" of their existence.
SARS-CoV-2 has been around for a while most likely but it has recently gained the attention of the entire world and the greatest minds of our time. It is as if we hold SARS-CoV-2 with high regard and have made many posts about SARS-CoV-2 and the people leading the war on SARS-CoV-2 and we do a body count of those who lose their battle with SARS-CoV-2 and count those that survived the attack made by SARS-CoV-2.
We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to help people which we have never met. We use SARS-CoV-2 as reasons to attack people we have never met. SARS-CoV-2 is living rent free in our heads and must be calling the shots since we are trying to read its mind as to its next move like "let us guess how many of us that SARS-CoV-2 will kill tomorrow.
We agree that SARS-CoV-2 per satellite images has been helping Mother Nature clean up her home. Smog is dissipating, polluted streams are starting to run more clear. Wild animals are now seen walking some city streets.
We can clearly see we are not needed to fix the messes that we have made of nature. Clearly nature can fix everything once man is removed from the picture just fine by herself.
What would we do if we had to deal with both SARS-CoV-2 and locust at the same time as some of the least prepared peoples of the world are struggling with tonight.
Maybe Dotty Pardon is on to something when she talks about SARS-CoV-2 maybe is our wake-up call. SARS-CoV-2 is in the drivers seat tonight and like the feather in Forrest Gump tonight with us running around like a chicken after having its head chopped off.
Tonight who is in charge of the current events, the leaders of the known world or SARS-CoV-2? Does Man have dominion over the world tonight or it that just something our Ego made up long ago and we are still listening to that false narrative?
Pretty much any economic downturn involves reduced CO2 output. That's just a consequence of a CO2 based energy production in an global economy based on energy dependence. It isn't making the kind of structural changes that will actually avert the future problems truly looming out there.
Ultimately, these stories of Coronavirus being Gaia's immune system have a sick tendency to push people towards eugenic / Malthusian / Population control ideas, and then racism comes along and pushes it to the people making the problem are somehow the people over there. It is never, of course, the people in the countries consuming at up to 25x the per capita that are the problem, supposedly it is always those people with their numbers when despite their numbers, their countries are responsible for less of the pollution. Or even worse, a chunk of their pollution is done towards producing things sold to the people living at the 25x per capita consumption.
Thanks for agreeing with the other points in the post you quoted.
Gale, you're far too old to not understand that is not how conversation works. Please be a better human being than that.22 -
Going back to animals testing positive - is this now a risk to consider? Our neighbor’s dog comes over often to play with our dog (both neighbor dogs actually)... do I need to worry that our dog could share COVID either direction?2
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Another point about testing, negative testing, etc. On the Facebook Group - Survivor Corps - a group set up to link Covid 19 survivors with studies to test for and donate antibodies via plasma, lots of folks are discussing symptoms, testing, etc. One woman who had tested positive for Covid19 was required to be retested for return to work. She waited for a full 14 days since symptom onset (and 3 days of no fever without Tylenol). Her test came back positive again and has to go another 14 days of self quarantine as she is still shedding virus. This is scary because so many people have not been tested but had suspected Covid19. And they are returning to work and life with no way of knowing if they are spreading, based on CDC guidelines.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/disposition-in-home-patients.html
My son had a suspected case in NYC. His symptoms resolved within 6 days. He starting taking his temperature the following week to be sure he was ok. And we had him do a telemed consult to confirm when he was allowed to "return to work" etc. He flew home 14 days after onset of symptoms. We are assuming that he is potentially still shedding and keeping our distance, keeping him out of the kitchen, sequestered to his own bathroom, and spraying everything he touches. A simple test would have really helped. I am hoping that a seralogic blood test for antibodies becomes widely available soon so that people will know whether they have immunity.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Many Car insurance companies giving discounts since everyone's staying home just call check they'll lower or refund portion of your payments
https://apple.news/AMVdWHpvMSpCKuIHWDOOj7Q
More than 15 years ago, when I changed jobs and traded a 50-mile daily roundtrip commute for walking + public transit, and told my insurance company, they raised my rates, even though I was going to be driving about 12,000 miles less per year. Their justification was that accidents per non-work-commute mile were higher than accidents per work-commute mile. I pointed out that I wasn't driving anymore non-commuting miles than I had been. The only change was the elimination of 12,000 commuting miles per year. It took a lot of going back and forth with my repeatedly pointing out the illogic of their policy before I finally got them to see the light by pointing out that while I had up to then been very happy with their service, I wasn't stupid enough to pay more for less, and there were other insurance companies that might want my business. And my homeowners policy, as well, of course (they insured both).
Unfortunately insurance rates are determined by adjusters who look at data only, not individual circumstances. Good for you to keep pressing on the issue to make them see you, not your data.
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moonangel12 wrote: »Going back to animals testing positive - is this now a risk to consider? Our neighbor’s dog comes over often to play with our dog (both neighbor dogs actually)... do I need to worry that our dog could share COVID either direction?
This might help. Still so many unknowns right now. That Tiger story was interesting and then I saw stories that only cats can get it but that appears to not be true either.
https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/animal-health-and-welfare/covid-19
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bmeadows380 wrote: »@rheddmobile
They aren't making her take sick leave; they are making her take vacation time--sick leave wouldn't have upset her nearly as much; its forcing her to use up all her vacation time for the year that has her angry, and I don't blame her for it.
And trust me, this girl catches everything coming and going and ends up severely sick just about every time. If she gets COVID-19, she will get a severe case - she is definitely one of the vulnerable people they warn about it, especially as she's been dealing with medical issues for the last 2 years, so she's worn down now as it is physically.
My question is, if you don't have any of the symptoms and also test negative, why should you still assume you may have it? what is the point of testing or publishing symptom lists, then? How would we ever rule out anyone having it and make it safe for them to be in public?
Is she in the US? If so, she should read about the FFCRA. If her employer meets the guidelines set in it, they must pay her while she self-quarantines (employer receives the money back from the government).
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/pandemic/ffcra-employer-paid-leave
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bmeadows380 wrote: »My best friend is really upset with her employer right now. She has been going into work because of difficulties setting her to up work from home. They make them take their temperature everyday before coming into work. She has bad allergies, and springtime is the worst, and Friday, her temp was up to 100 degrees due to what she knew was nothing more than a sinus infection that she gets every year due to allergies. She debated on telling the employer, but finally felt honesty was right. All they heard was her temp was up and sent her home, telling her she has to self quarantine for 2 weeks. She contacted her doctor on the phone; he ordered a flu test and a COVID test. Talking with him, he also agreed it was highly unlikely she had COVID - she does have very bad lungs and is a prime candidate for the pneumonia if she does get it. Besides, she doesn't have a cough, she doesn't have body aches, and she doesn't have tightness in her chest.
The flu test came back negative; the COVID test is supposed to be back in 4 to 12 days as lab corp is backed up (and I thought they had a rapid test now? Guess it's not in WV). However, her employer told her that it does not matter if the test comes back negative; she still has to stay self quarantined until she shows no other symptoms - no fever, no shortness of breath. Except she always has shortness of breath due to bad asthma and the allergies! AND they are making her take vacation time for this 2 week period!
She says she'll have to lie when the 2 weeks is up just so she can do her job and get her paycheck.
Usually, she's really behind her company and pointing out how it is better than the utility I work for (she works for the other power utility in the state); this time, however, my corporation actually put into place a better policy than hers has, because my utility is paying straight time for anyone who has to self-quarantine and cannot work from home, and sick leave automatically goes into place for the entire time one needs to be home with the illness until they test negative and are released by their doctor.
I get her frustration, but people with allergies aren't immune to COVID-19. It's possible that her fever could be due to the virus. The alternative is to expect her co-workers to accept the risk of possible transmission and that's a lot to ask of people right now.16 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Going back to animals testing positive - is this now a risk to consider? Our neighbor’s dog comes over often to play with our dog (both neighbor dogs actually)... do I need to worry that our dog could share COVID either direction?
This may sound like an over-reaction, but that's the assumption I've been going with for my own dog -- that he could potentially get it from me or I could get it from him.0 -
For the person looking for elastic and making masks from sheets just a reminder fitted sheets have a lot of elastic in the hems you can use to make mask ties with.8
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janejellyroll wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My best friend is really upset with her employer right now. She has been going into work because of difficulties setting her to up work from home. They make them take their temperature everyday before coming into work. She has bad allergies, and springtime is the worst, and Friday, her temp was up to 100 degrees due to what she knew was nothing more than a sinus infection that she gets every year due to allergies. She debated on telling the employer, but finally felt honesty was right. All they heard was her temp was up and sent her home, telling her she has to self quarantine for 2 weeks. She contacted her doctor on the phone; he ordered a flu test and a COVID test. Talking with him, he also agreed it was highly unlikely she had COVID - she does have very bad lungs and is a prime candidate for the pneumonia if she does get it. Besides, she doesn't have a cough, she doesn't have body aches, and she doesn't have tightness in her chest.
The flu test came back negative; the COVID test is supposed to be back in 4 to 12 days as lab corp is backed up (and I thought they had a rapid test now? Guess it's not in WV). However, her employer told her that it does not matter if the test comes back negative; she still has to stay self quarantined until she shows no other symptoms - no fever, no shortness of breath. Except she always has shortness of breath due to bad asthma and the allergies! AND they are making her take vacation time for this 2 week period!
She says she'll have to lie when the 2 weeks is up just so she can do her job and get her paycheck.
Usually, she's really behind her company and pointing out how it is better than the utility I work for (she works for the other power utility in the state); this time, however, my corporation actually put into place a better policy than hers has, because my utility is paying straight time for anyone who has to self-quarantine and cannot work from home, and sick leave automatically goes into place for the entire time one needs to be home with the illness until they test negative and are released by their doctor.
I get her frustration, but people with allergies aren't immune to COVID-19. It's possible that her fever could be due to the virus. The alternative is to expect her co-workers to accept the risk of possible transmission and that's a lot to ask of people right now.
Agreed. After all, she does have some symptoms at this point regardless. Maybe those symptoms are just allergies, or maybe not. Either way, it is a big risk for others.
And as @busyPK said, she might be able to get some benefit from the gov. assistance program without having to use up vacation.4 -
I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
ETA: I kinda get that, but at the same time not. Both of my boys have had a growth spurt and need new shoes...we can't go to the shoe store we normally would as it is non-essential, so we'll have to go to Target or something. If they were forbidden from selling this stuff, my kids would have to run around shoeless for the foreseeable future.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in.
That's basically what they've been doing at larger stores here (and even many smaller, as they are legally limited in how many people can be in at a time) since about a week or more before we got our stay at home order. Someone at the door will be checking off people as they go in and out. For the most part I don't think there have been actual lines to get in around me (I haven't seen any), but I've also avoided like the plague (bad turn of phrase, I suppose) stores like Costco, where I figured the crowds would be worst, and I never go to Walmart anyway, and there aren't even any big box Walmarts anywhere close. Could be that in the closest areas where they are located they do have lines. I've heard anecdotally of lines at some TJ's, but didn't see any at my local grocery when I went by and friends who have been to the local Mariano's and closest TJ's have reported no lines (and not too many people).
A friend went to Walgreen's yesterday and said there weren't many people there and nearly all were wearing masks.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in.
That's basically what they've been doing at larger stores here (and even many smaller, as they are legally limited in how many people can be in at a time) since about a week or more before we got our stay at home order. Someone at the door will be checking off people as they go in and out. For the most part I don't think there have been actual lines to get in around me (I haven't seen any), but I've also avoided like the plague (bad turn of phrase, I suppose) stores like Costco, where I figured the crowds would be worst, and I never go to Walmart anyway, and there aren't even any big box Walmarts anywhere close. Could be that in the closest areas where they are located they do have lines. I've heard anecdotally of lines at some TJ's, but didn't see any at my local grocery when I went by and friends who have been to the local Mariano's and closest TJ's have reported no lines (and not too many people).
A friend went to Walgreen's yesterday and said there weren't many people there and nearly all were wearing masks.
This was the system when I went to Target on Saturday and there was no line. I will note that it didn't really help because the capacity limit is based on the total square footage of the store and all the shoppers seemed to be in the grocery/home essentials section of the store so it was still much more crowded than would be ideal for a 6-foot distance between shoppers.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
I'm reasonably sure that "joy shopping" can't be stopped. I seriously spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes looking at baby/kid clothes at Target last week, just to have something to do. I don't have kids. I don't even know anyone who has kids. But it was there, it was retail and it wasn't my *kitten* apartment. Today is going to be liquor store day and I can't decide whether I should walk or drive so I can bring more home. I am also extremely likely to examine every bottle of wine and spirits they have, just to kill an hour outside my prison. And hopefully find every clerk in the store to deeply discuss drink options with. I stay home for as long as I can stand it, but every chance I have to get out where actual living human people are is stretched out to the utmost justifiable limit. They can shut down whatever aisles they want, limit the numbers inside as much as they want, but for a lot of folks, that's our only connection with actual people and I will soak up every single second and then hoard the memory for days. Text and FaceTime are moderately adequate to try and connect, but there's nothing like the feeling of being around PEOPLE. And stores are just about the only places left that have PEOPLE in them.7 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
I'm reasonably sure that "joy shopping" can't be stopped. I seriously spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes looking at baby/kid clothes at Target last week, just to have something to do. I don't have kids. I don't even know anyone who has kids. But it was there, it was retail and it wasn't my *kitten* apartment. Today is going to be liquor store day and I can't decide whether I should walk or drive so I can bring more home. I am also extremely likely to examine every bottle of wine and spirits they have, just to kill an hour outside my prison. And hopefully find every clerk in the store to deeply discuss drink options with. I stay home for as long as I can stand it, but every chance I have to get out where actual living human people are is stretched out to the utmost justifiable limit. They can shut down whatever aisles they want, limit the numbers inside as much as they want, but for a lot of folks, that's our only connection with actual people and I will soak up every single second and then hoard the memory for days. Text and FaceTime are moderately adequate to try and connect, but there's nothing like the feeling of being around PEOPLE. And stores are just about the only places left that have PEOPLE in them.
I put on lipstick when I went to Target on Saturday so yes, I'm identifying with this post.5 -
I'm isolating with my husband and two teenagers. I imagine isolating alone would be much harder and really feel for everyone in that situation. At least I have other people to interact with - even if they do annoy me occasionally; for the most part, we get along very well though. Plus we have the advantage of a yard and two outbuildings so we aren't stuck staring at each other all day.cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
I'm reasonably sure that "joy shopping" can't be stopped. I seriously spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes looking at baby/kid clothes at Target last week, just to have something to do. I don't have kids. I don't even know anyone who has kids. But it was there, it was retail and it wasn't my *kitten* apartment. Today is going to be liquor store day and I can't decide whether I should walk or drive so I can bring more home. I am also extremely likely to examine every bottle of wine and spirits they have, just to kill an hour outside my prison. And hopefully find every clerk in the store to deeply discuss drink options with. I stay home for as long as I can stand it, but every chance I have to get out where actual living human people are is stretched out to the utmost justifiable limit. They can shut down whatever aisles they want, limit the numbers inside as much as they want, but for a lot of folks, that's our only connection with actual people and I will soak up every single second and then hoard the memory for days. Text and FaceTime are moderately adequate to try and connect, but there's nothing like the feeling of being around PEOPLE. And stores are just about the only places left that have PEOPLE in them.
Lowe's appears to be the joy shopping destination in my town. I get it. The weather is perfect for gardening and all those home tasks they suddenly have time for. It's really defeating the purpose, though...10 -
I'm isolating with my husband and two teenagers. I imagine isolating alone would be much harder and really feel for everyone in that situation. At least I have other people to interact with - even if they do annoy me occasionally; for the most part, we get along very well though. Plus we have the advantage of a yard and two outbuildings so we aren't stuck staring at each other all day.cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
I'm reasonably sure that "joy shopping" can't be stopped. I seriously spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes looking at baby/kid clothes at Target last week, just to have something to do. I don't have kids. I don't even know anyone who has kids. But it was there, it was retail and it wasn't my *kitten* apartment. Today is going to be liquor store day and I can't decide whether I should walk or drive so I can bring more home. I am also extremely likely to examine every bottle of wine and spirits they have, just to kill an hour outside my prison. And hopefully find every clerk in the store to deeply discuss drink options with. I stay home for as long as I can stand it, but every chance I have to get out where actual living human people are is stretched out to the utmost justifiable limit. They can shut down whatever aisles they want, limit the numbers inside as much as they want, but for a lot of folks, that's our only connection with actual people and I will soak up every single second and then hoard the memory for days. Text and FaceTime are moderately adequate to try and connect, but there's nothing like the feeling of being around PEOPLE. And stores are just about the only places left that have PEOPLE in them.
Lowe's appears to be the joy shopping destination in my town. I get it. The weather is perfect for gardening and all those home tasks they suddenly have time for. It's really defeating the purpose, though...
This is just FTR, not to criticize anyone else or minimize their experience in any way at all. Humans are varied, and that variety is a wonderful thing about the world.
Whether isolating alone is hard(er) is a very individual thing. I live alone, only shopped once since 3/13, talked to a neighbor one day from a long distance, and a friend similarly on another day, and that's my in-person social contact (other than "good afternoon" or a hand wave to strangers when out for a walk). Happy as a clam.
I'd prefer more social contact, and usually get quite a bit more, but I'm fine in current circumstances, emotionally and as a practical matter. (I expect to be fine indefinitely unless/until I become severely ill, COVID or anything else.)
I think personality/psychology makes a difference, mainly but not totally where people are in the introvert/extrovert space. Tendency toward anxiety, rumination, or catastrophizing, or the lack of that, is relevant, too, IMO. Logistics is also potentially an issue: Whether one has the resources (transport, money, other humans' help) to get what one needs (food, meds, etc.), and the physical mobility/health to do what's needful. The nature of one's leisure activities matters (e.g., does the person have solo hobbies that remain enjoyable, or ways to stay active if activity is part of mood regulation).
I'm saying this based on observing friends in other social media (people whose personalities I'm quite familiar with), plus checking in occasionally on a FB group for "elder orphans" (those 55+ with no children, partner, siblings, parents or similar family to aid/support them - a group that existed long before the pandemic).
Personally, I do have to ration my attention to that FB group (always, but especially now). I'm generally philosophical about risks, but reading too much catastrophizing/negativity is not my best plan for maintaining a positive attitude. (NB not everyone in the group has this negative outlook.)
I do feel badly for anyone, especially those isolating solo, who really need more social contact for happiness. I hope they'll find a way to meet up with friends someplace in an empty parking lot to shout at one another at 15-foot distances while wearing masks, or something else that's voluntary by all parties, and keeps risks down for themselves and especially the larger public.16 -
I'm isolating with my husband and two teenagers. I imagine isolating alone would be much harder and really feel for everyone in that situation. At least I have other people to interact with - even if they do annoy me occasionally; for the most part, we get along very well though. Plus we have the advantage of a yard and two outbuildings so we aren't stuck staring at each other all day.cwolfman13 wrote: »I have a question............where is the logic of shutting down certain aisles in stores such as WalMart? I'm sure their reasoning is sound, but everybody I've talked with says the same thing. Now they're going to be shoving more people into less room/ Unless they're also limiting number of consumers? And toys? I know adults are on the prowl for new and different things to do; wouldn't it make sense kids might be getting ultra bored too? Wouldn't buying toys be as essential as, oh say,....stocking up on soda, chips, or something?
No disagreeing necessary, just asking a question for opinions.
They aren't doing that here...but my guess would be to curb "joy shopping" and people just getting out of the house to browse around Wal-Mart and such.
What they're doing here as of 8 AM this morning is limiting the number of people in the store to 20% of capacity which means if you need to go get something it's probably actually going to be an essential need because you'll likely be waiting in a line outside the store to get in. I haven't seen much of an issue in regards to large numbers of people when I go to the regular grocery store or even Costco, but I've driven by the Walmart parking lot a few times and it looks like the week before Christmas or something, so I was kind of expecting these people limits to come down the pipe.
I have also heard complaints from other non-essential retailers that it isn't fair that they have to shut down, but Walmart and Target can continue to sell those "non-essential" items.
I'm reasonably sure that "joy shopping" can't be stopped. I seriously spent probably fifteen or twenty minutes looking at baby/kid clothes at Target last week, just to have something to do. I don't have kids. I don't even know anyone who has kids. But it was there, it was retail and it wasn't my *kitten* apartment. Today is going to be liquor store day and I can't decide whether I should walk or drive so I can bring more home. I am also extremely likely to examine every bottle of wine and spirits they have, just to kill an hour outside my prison. And hopefully find every clerk in the store to deeply discuss drink options with. I stay home for as long as I can stand it, but every chance I have to get out where actual living human people are is stretched out to the utmost justifiable limit. They can shut down whatever aisles they want, limit the numbers inside as much as they want, but for a lot of folks, that's our only connection with actual people and I will soak up every single second and then hoard the memory for days. Text and FaceTime are moderately adequate to try and connect, but there's nothing like the feeling of being around PEOPLE. And stores are just about the only places left that have PEOPLE in them.
Lowe's appears to be the joy shopping destination in my town. I get it. The weather is perfect for gardening and all those home tasks they suddenly have time for. It's really defeating the purpose, though...
This is just FTR, not to criticize anyone else or minimize their experience in any way at all. Humans are varied, and that variety is a wonderful thing about the world.
Whether isolating alone is hard(er) is a very individual thing. I live alone, only shopped once since 3/13, talked to a neighbor one day from a long distance, and a friend similarly on another day, and that's my in-person social contact (other than "good afternoon" or a hand wave to strangers when out for a walk). Happy as a clam.
I'd prefer more social contact, and usually get quite a bit more, but I'm fine in current circumstances, emotionally and as a practical matter. (I expect to be fine indefinitely unless/until I become severely ill, COVID or anything else.)
I think personality/psychology makes a difference, mainly but not totally where people are in the introvert/extrovert space. Tendency toward anxiety, rumination, or catastrophizing, or the lack of that, is relevant, too, IMO. Logistics is also potentially an issue: Whether one has the resources (transport, money, other humans' help) to get what one needs (food, meds, etc.), and the physical mobility/health to do what's needful. The nature of one's leisure activities matters (e.g., does the person have solo hobbies that remain enjoyable, or ways to stay active if activity is part of mood regulation).
I'm saying this based on observing friends in other social media (people whose personalities I'm quite familiar with), plus checking in occasionally on a FB group for "elder orphans" (those 55+ with no children, partner, siblings, parents or similar family to aid/support them - a group that existed long before the pandemic).
Personally, I do have to ration my attention to that FB group (always, but especially now). I'm generally philosophical about risks, but reading too much catastrophizing/negativity is not my best plan for maintaining a positive attitude. (NB not everyone in the group has this negative outlook.)
I do feel badly for anyone, especially those isolating solo, who really need more social contact for happiness. I hope they'll find a way to meet up with friends someplace in an empty parking lot to shout at one another at 15-foot distances while wearing masks, or something else that's voluntary by all parties, and keeps risks down for themselves and especially the larger public.
Me too. My husband is an essential employee, so he’s still working. I’m retired, so alone from 12:30 -11 pm. We live in the country (isolated at the best of times). I’m here with my dog for most of the day. It’s still too cold for gardening (last average frost May 10). I like my life and it’s pretty close to normal, even now.
I do miss my daughter though. She visited every week before. I haven’t seen her for
5-1/2 weeks. Her birthday is 4/30. 😢
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