Coronavirus prep
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Exactly Nony ! You get me big hugs 🤗 6ft apart air hugs . I think after our at hone orders are over we should continue to practice the new social distancing rules even after to avoid another pandemic for future generations
Yeah, going to disagree with you there. Some things should be carried forward, in terms of hygiene practices. Like, now that we all finally know how to wash our hands properly, sneeze and cough into elbows, etc. But as far as I'm aware (did not read the article you linked), China aren't advocating that people maintain a 6 foot distance from each other for the rest of eternity, because, well, that's absurd. Those things need to be in place until such point that there is a vaccine, and enough people have received said vaccine, that we're not going to see another flare up of COVID-19. That's essentially the approach New Zealand will also be taking until a vaccine is available - tight border controls, distancing, etc. It's a no brainer that that will be necessary for any country/region that doesn't want to repeat the cycle all over again.10 -
True Nony hopefully this will also make governments more aware of hospital needs for future issues3
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Yes, there are currently over 503 cases in Bexar County. Not sure why you think (if you do) that that's inconsistent with my timeline.
Recall the prior claim, which you seemed to be supporting, was that the novel coronavirus had been running rampant in the US from Jan or before, so we probably (or areas with low tests probably) had herd immunity. The stats in San Antonio (or in Chicago, where I live) don't suggest herd immunity to me.
From the SA Express-News today:
"6:15 p.m. | Confirmed COVID-19 cases shot up, with a total of 503 San Antonio area residents testing positive for the virus, Mayor Ron Nirenberg said at Tuesday’s briefing. Of those, 150 patients were infected by community transmission, while 179 cases were attributed to “close contact,” such as catching the virus from a family member. Travel-related cases totaled 124, while 50 cases remain under investigation, meaning the source of infection hasn’t been determined. On Tuesday, 88 were hospitalized. Of those patients, 51 remained in intensive care, while 40 were on ventilators.
2:30 p.m. | Five more residents of Southeast Nursing and Rehabilitation Center have died after contracting coronavirus, bringing the total there to eight, city officials said Tuesday. One other person separately died of complications from the virus, bringing the city’s overall death toll to 18....
April 5...
4:00 a.m. | City and Bexar County hospital officials are gearing up to care for an increasing number of COVID-19 patients. Tents and trailers have been placed outside emergency rooms, staffers are being trained and reassigned from their normal duties, and facilities are being overhauled for COVID-19 patients. At Freeman Coliseum, a space normally used for concerts and events, hundreds of cots await possible overflow from hospital."
So no, I don't see evidence that people think the community has been affected already and has herd immunity. Nor do the deaths or hospitalizations to date support that.
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I never said theirs herd immunity not sure where you got that from. We do have cases that are community spread but that’s not herd immunity. I don’t believe you can have herd immunity with this strain even with a vaccine. I think we had deaths that got labeled wrong to cases that may have had mild or fewer symptoms even ones that tested negative but had it slipped through the cracks..that’s not herd immunity we wouldn’t have New York with such high numbers if there was herd immunity possibilities.
I didn’t know about the Coliseum having cots. My husband did work on one of the hospitals recently to add another X-ray room.
I got a question the kids are all doing the computer classes will that even count to their grades or graduation even? Hearing conflicting stuff each article contradicts another in it.
If we had heard immunity we wouldn’t have so many plus one of our grocery store
H-E-B their workers are being diagnosed with it at an alarming rate2 -
https://news4sanantonio.com/news/coronavirus/five-h-e-b-employees-in-central-texas-have-tested-positive-for-covid-19
If there was herd immunity why would I be at home stay before the Govenor issued it for over a month now. I have immune deficiencies y health problems I’m the reason you guys are staying home to protect .Thankyou to everyone who is staying home it’s saving folks like me y my baby 👶2 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.
This seemed to be suggesting that San Antonio had had CV-19 since Jan 7 and had herd immunity (the post you were saying "Very possible" to suggested there was no need to stay at home in their town since they had all had it in Jan (which is exceptionally unlikely, especially given the location and even given your location, which was the point of my timeline).7 -
No no no Lemur I just read your post didn’t it wasn’t there when I wrote y posted mine
I was answering musicfan68 post1 -
My English isn’t perfect neither is my spellings. I try my best tho. Thankyou for helping me Lemur so I understand now why I got misunderstood.I was waiting for Daughter to text back to tell me why I wasn’t being understood.
My Son Emilio only just turned 3yrs old in March /Daughter is 20 on a Base in California a month ago when I texted her that I was isolating she wrote back the base already gave them orders not to leave at all. February 24th we went to a Chuckie Cheese I did see hazmat suits at apartments on the way back. Lots of military off base live in it. I isolated immediately that afternoon have only came out 1x for groceries when hubby hurt his back . I texted her she said they couldn’t leave base except a very select few for classes only. She got a mask finally yesterday hand sewn for her Star spangles on it. Not sure how safe it is seen things saying cloth masks are good others say it isn’t but it’s all she has. I worry cause her areas hit hard outside of the base. I do not understand hooked up but I know she has a mask a nurse gave it to her who gets food with her.4 -
Hooked up means that someone gave her the ability to obtain a mask5
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Kriss Thankyou- Half of what daughter says I can’t understand she says letter or weird words instead of what I know gets aggravating .I told her to wear a mask!
I told her Coronovirus like all of them spreads similar you cough or sneeze 🤧 without a mask everyone gets a strain of it from a this one to colds even flus. But no she no listens my father no listens.My whole family except for hubby no listens to my warning to wear a mask cause the tv said not to they believe it over Mom! I told her no cell phone except in her quarters but no she ignores me texted from the NEX base store!7 -
My family is just as stubborn.
My mother wont social distance from me because "shes not afraid of me"...
So, I stopped giving her the opportunity. My 82 year old grandmother lives with her and both of them still go grocery shopping every week.. =/13 -
Italian news today. Our region will also be requiring masks soon. I went grocery shopping this morning and waited over an hour to get in (I was there 15 min before they opened), the line was over a half a block long. I imagine shopping for Easter already. Everyone was wearing masks. I was interested to see if people were adjusting, touching their faces, etc----nope. Everyone seemed used to it. This gives me hope that other areas of the world will also learn and adjust. The store also required that customers wear disposable gloves that are provided at the door.
Well, tomorrow will be 3 weeks of lockdown. It's not easy to live in an apartment with a family and not go out. But make no mistake, I've got a lot of sympathy for people home alone and missing social contact. Those of you with yards and space are lucky. Phase 2 is being hammered out, since our rate of new cases has slowed. It will be done in steps. Word is that schools will stay closed until September. When things get firmed up I'll report in.15 -
I'm actually glad I am alone. Lol
I have borderline personality disorder and other humans for long periods of time just causes me problems.18 -
In addition to going to work everyday (hospital laboratory), I have to go to Walmart to get bottled water, Winn Dixie to get bread, and Rouses to get eggs. So much for limiting Exposure7
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I would actually recommend looking to sport supplement companies in this scerario! I went to Pred Nutrition and stocked up on 1kg tubs of peanut butter, protein powder and oats. Their delivery hasn't been affected and it means I can continue to hit my macros while this goes on. Losing my patience with having to go to multiple shops STILL every time I want eggs haha!5
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.
This seemed to be suggesting that San Antonio had had CV-19 since Jan 7 and had herd immunity (the post you were saying "Very possible" to suggested there was no need to stay at home in their town since they had all had it in Jan (which is exceptionally unlikely, especially given the location and even given your location, which was the point of my timeline).
So...I'm in Seattle.
In the area where the first nursing home outbreak happened on about the first of March there are almost 3 million people in the two counties that the nursing home straddles.
There have been 33,433 tests performed to date in that 3 million population of those two counties.
5056 of those are confirmed positive
275 of those have died
In the state, 87,800 tests have been performed.
8682 of those are positive,
394 deaths
With a population of over 7 million, the state's positive tests are tracking at 8%
Had it not been for the one nursing home "outbreak" in the first week of March, which has now killed about 40 people directly and infected who-knows-how-many more, we would not have started to seriously test. We're the canary in the coal mine and strictly because a whole lot of people started dying in a suspicious manner.
They were almost exclusively in their sixties through their 90s.
I would guess by looking at the numbers that reflect about a 12%-13% positive infection rate in the most densely populated two counties, the virus is very widespread. I think it's been in our area for several months. It's been traced and time-sequenced to the same strain as one from Wuhan, so at least since December.
I don't think, "when it got here," is even a big deal. It's here.
I've noticed among people in this thread and in other places including my acquaintances around the world that there is this very strange, "WE had it first," thing and also a related, "MY STATE is doing better than your state."
So weird, so human. We even want to be competitive about this.
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cmriverside wrote: »JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.
This seemed to be suggesting that San Antonio had had CV-19 since Jan 7 and had herd immunity (the post you were saying "Very possible" to suggested there was no need to stay at home in their town since they had all had it in Jan (which is exceptionally unlikely, especially given the location and even given your location, which was the point of my timeline).
So...I'm in Seattle.
In the area where the first nursing home outbreak happened on about the first of March there are almost 3 million people in the two counties that the nursing home straddles.
There have been 33,433 tests performed to date in that 3 million population of those two counties.
5056 of those are confirmed positive
275 of those have died
In the state, 87,800 tests have been performed.
8682 of those are positive,
394 deaths
With a population of over 7 million, the state's positive tests are tracking at 8%
Had it not been for the one nursing home "outbreak" in the first week of March, which has now killed about 40 people directly and infected who-knows-how-many more, we would not have started to seriously test. We're the canary in the coal mine and strictly because a whole lot of people started dying in a suspicious manner.
Yes, your city and state are probably better off because you started doing a lot more testing earlier because of that outbreak, even though of course it is heartbreaking about the outbreak itself (my mom was in a nursing home in WA, although not near Seattle, but Portland 'burbs, for a few months before she died 2 years ago, and I can't stop thinking about how it would have been like for her when I think of the outbreaks).
I also noted that there are reasons that it likely was in the Seattle area (as well as some other major west coast metropolitan areas) early.I don't think, "when it got here," is even a big deal. It's here.
The prior poster to whom I was responding was claiming that she had had it, it had gone through their community, and thus it was ridiculous to be having to stay home when they had already had it as a community, i.e., had herd immunity. That's why it is important to get into how unlikely that is.
And "we" (the place where I live) did not have it first, so I'm not sure what you are getting at with that. My point is that for someone in a place that likely has not gotten it heavily yet at all to assume it wasn't serious and they probably all had it already anyway when we look at what's going on in Italy, in NY/NJ, and increasingly other places lagging somewhat behind NYC in timeline is not very reasonable.10 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Exactly Nony ! You get me big hugs 🤗 6ft apart air hugs . I think after our at hone orders are over we should continue to practice the new social distancing rules even after to avoid another pandemic for future generations
For at least two reasons (the economic impact and the social nature of humans), I don't see that happening.5 -
Kris- Very smart
Cmriver- True. I think we have it more contained here than many places our bases did very good in the start until 1 slip up y we lost court y CDC battles to keep the infected on base longer. We wouldn’t have this many even if that wouldn’t have happened in my opinion.
All that matters now is stopping the disease getting vaccines to ways to treat it better y better even new inventions for it. Hopefully it will contain soon but their cancelling stuff All the way into November here . Your in Seattle you were the first we y California didn’t get ours to study treat until after you. Seattle was Patient Zero we got a lady at our base after yours same time California got one too maybe even a few more bases but I only know people from those 2 areas. You were the first for the USA . I believe travel not being stopped sooner tho spread it faster it may not have even spread from the first ones brought here but from someone who traveled here by boat or private jet even. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-03-09/how-coronavirus-spread-from-patient-zero-in-seattle
lo que no te mata te hace más fuerte definitivamente no es cierto aquí con este virus 🦠
I’m making big meals from few ingredients then we’re eating off them for days. Got food coming from online but been back ordered a month so glad for what has showed up .5 -
It's amazing what people will use to rationalize a situation.
Smaller numbers seems to = safety in peoples minds.
Every time I would call my grandmother and mother to say more confirmed cases had appeared here... the next thing out of their mouth was "well they are all travel related"
My mother owns her own business selling nurses scrubs and uniforms.. and she just automatically assumed that since her customers worked in health care that none of them would be infected cause they would be washing their hands
They were making me insane and then they declared state of emergency and forced her business to close.
They still kind of do since as I mentioned before about not being afraid of me and practicing social distancing..
Before state of emergency my mother told me she felt sorry for me, that she couldnt live her life in fear. Thought I was over reacting to the seriousness of it, she doesnt watch the news or listen to it and didnt see the point in worrying about anything outside her own personal bubble.
Very infuriating lol
She even told me once before state of emergency kicked in that this was gonna be over soon cause they already had a cure.
Only my father has taken it seriously. With COPD, he said if he gets it, hes dead. He took 18 weeks off work, doesnt even go to the store, his girlfriend goes and they sanitize everything.
When I told my mom he took time off her only comment was that he cant afford to take time off, and her face was like "are you serious?"
I hope the very best for my mom and grandmother I really do.. cause I can only say so much about how their actions make me feel and how they could die.. without losing my mind in frustrating when its met with a wall18 -
Jane- Your probably right on that it’s like the environment we all know it’s bad to pollute yet we still get in a car for a drive about to see someone miss a trash can not go back to get it. Our parks are disasters mess wise after holidays they struggle to clean all the trash from a simple holiday. The economy very bad all over the world as this stuff is progressing for sure.
I’m still wondering what other countries also got patient zeros to help see how to stop the virus 🦠. All our countries had to have taken some sort of proactive approach also to see how to stop this from day one when China needed help with their first cases. The worlds connected More than our past generations ever were1 -
Kriss - Yes warned my Aunts they ignored me then one became sick they thought in Ohio that she had the virus. Luckily she did not test came back negative so she died March 30th with family by her side,but no funeral. She was so scared in the end that if her test came back positive that she infected her Daughter y hubby but luckily she did not. She had phemonia y severe heart issues in the end.
Daughter also hangs with nurse friends thinks same I told her washing hands doesn’t keep them from getting it.
I been preparing by looking back at history of foods to sewing to even how infections were handled in the past to now so I have broader knowledge. Been increasing my workouts to get my Csection /other Surgery set back under control so I can get a little stronger just in case.
No no there is no herd immunity! I been saying that from day 1 of this also been saying wear masks! With Hippa to classified base information it can’t be known until they knew it wasn’t contained. Even now was shocked said a nurse told on her Facebook recently room numbers of infected positive patients! Hospital retaliated but more cause she asked for masks. I think Hospitals need to be proactive start posting for donations so nurses y Doctors don’t have to do the leg work in harder hit areas!2 -
I went grocery shopping this morning...there was a big difference from a week ago.
Last week, about 20% of people were wearing masks, mostly elderly people.
Today, about 80% were wearing masks, including me for the first time.
The store was mostly normally stocked (except for TP), but there was a very noticeable sense of tension and nervousness among everyone in the store. I hadn't seen that before. I came home very stressed out.
On a lighter note, I'm having a hard time making excuses for not doing things I don't want to do. I'm an active member of a few professional associations. They are, understandably, trying to keep contact with their members, so are scheduling a lot of virtual panel discussions, town hall meetings, virtual happy hours, etc. I have been asked to host/moderate/serve on panels for a lot off these discussions. I like doing some, especially during the day, but some are in the evening, when I just want to watch a movie and drink some wine. But, what's my excuse?? Sorry, I can't that night....I have to....ummmmmm.....?11 -
I saw this yesterday and liked it. Basically, it's fine to say "Thanks, but I'm going to sit this one out. Please ask someone else to host." No explanations needed. We all have our limits right now, and you don't need to make excuses to anyone for wanting time to relax and check out for a bit.SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I went grocery shopping this morning...there was a big difference from a week ago.
Last week, about 20% of people were wearing masks, mostly elderly people.
Today, about 80% were wearing masks, including me for the first time.
The store was mostly normally stocked (except for TP), but there was a very noticeable sense of tension and nervousness among everyone in the store. I hadn't seen that before. I came home very stressed out.
On a lighter note, I'm having a hard time making excuses for not doing things I don't want to do. I'm an active member of a few professional associations. They are, understandably, trying to keep contact with their members, so are scheduling a lot of virtual panel discussions, town hall meetings, virtual happy hours, etc. I have been asked to host/moderate/serve on panels for a lot off these discussions. I like doing some, especially during the day, but some are in the evening, when I just want to watch a movie and drink some wine. But, what's my excuse?? Sorry, I can't that night....I have to....ummmmmm.....?
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/quick-guide-etiquette-coronavirus-135414124.html20 -
Lemur, I'm not attacking you.
Just continuing the conversation. I agree with you...but I also think it's been here for a long time and there are thousands/tens of thousands/hundreds of thousands/millions who had mild cases and have recovered. The nursing home sent up the flares, but that was in a population that is already vulnerable due to age, illness, and congregate living. It was the cluster and the morbidity that was the big clue. Obviously we know it's been here longer than mid February. Lots of other people outside the nursing home have had it over the past how many months...
Unless and until we get a good antibodies test that is administered to a majority of genpop, no way to know how many. I don't think that will be a priority - ever. I think effective vaccines and treatment will be the places that Public Health spends its money.
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We’re finally seeing meats to tp here but only cause 1 item limits only 1 person per memberships y they ask only 1 family member per home (but they do allow more if disabled need help or single parents who have no childcare during this. Hopefully this no tp will change for other cities to states countries too soon . Answering Suzy
I still wonder will the schooling at home be counted by the public schools or will we have a huge generation held back to in summer schools even tho they worked so hard to find WiFi do homework 📚??
Hubby in January when doing jobs on the bases they had passed new rules back then for private contractors but we didn’t think anything of it until stuff started coming out y military personnel wasn’t walking around town anymore (Daughter also in California y friends online) .Many military active /retired are rejoining military ranks are now deactivating social media’s. I lost 15 of my military friends on one site. My friend in Italy has it he’s in a coma not going to make it. His sister took his babies in adopting them (they are adopted kids last he asked if her was to keep them from going back to the orphanage- he also was adopted as a kid).5 -
I went grocery shopping on Friday at a local discount store (crowded like Walmart) and people either wore masks or didn't seem to care at all about social distancing, it drove me nuts! I kept trying to get away from people the whole time, cashier wasn't using hand disinfectant. I hadn't shopped for two weeks and this time I was able to get chicken and yogurt, eggs were about double-priced. Toilet paper was gone but they did have bread this time too.4
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I went grocery shopping on Friday at a local discount store (crowded like Walmart) and people either wore masks or didn't seem to care at all about social distancing, it drove me nuts! I kept trying to get away from people the whole time, cashier wasn't using hand disinfectant. I hadn't shopped for two weeks and this time I was able to get chicken and yogurt, eggs were about double-priced. Toilet paper was gone but they did have bread this time too.
I went to my local Kroger yesterday, since I had to go out for a (drive through**) prescription. The contrast to the local employee-owned health-food-ish full-line grocery (that I'd visited a week or so before) was pretty dramatic. Even though time had passed, and warnings increased, the Kroger shoppers were much more loosey-goosey (lower percentage of masks/gloves, not social distancing as well, etc.), plus the store was more crowded (the latter, I'd expected).
On the brighter side, many/most things were in stock. I didn't check widely, but bought foaming hand soap (low but not out), and had to go down TP aisle for something else and saw there was a bit of TP in stock, as well as a bit of all-purpose and bread flour in another aisle, things I'm seeing folks say they have a hard time getting.
I don't know that I can do it 100% and stay in stock of what I (think I
) need for the duration, but I'll be focusing business on the store with the much better environment, going forward, for sure.
** This was the first time I've ever used a prescription drive-through. I'm not sure it's safer than the in-store option. The card acceptor at this store is sent out in a drawer, and everyone has to pull it out of the drawer (to within droplet-shot distance, often), grub their hands all over it, and put it back. I don't know whether it's sanitized in between - I can only hope. I was super glad I had gloves/mask. In store, I'd be closer to (some) people, but I think I'd be touching no more things, and those things would be at longer distance from face (mine and others). YMMV.
Supposedly, this chain has free delivery, but it didn't seem to be on offer from this store. Ugh.4 -
We have shields between customers y cashier .In my Dads town they pass out number cards to keep count of how many in the store they return y spray it before handing to next customer as they leave.2 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I went grocery shopping this morning...there was a big difference from a week ago.
Last week, about 20% of people were wearing masks, mostly elderly people.
Today, about 80% were wearing masks, including me for the first time.
The store was mostly normally stocked (except for TP), but there was a very noticeable sense of tension and nervousness among everyone in the store. I hadn't seen that before. I came home very stressed out.
That's what's going on in my area too -- I haven't been to the store lately, but my sister and a friend (who both live reasonably close) said almost everyone in the store had them. I did walk around a lot yesterday, and it seemed like 50% of those just walking around had them. It's pretty easy to totally avoid people by crossing the street or stepping out into the street as there are few cars, so I wasn't wearing one yet -- still need to figure out my plan for making them, especially for when it's 75 degrees and warmer, as it was yesterday. I saw several people with badannas just tied over their nose and mouth, like old timely bandits. I also saw a FedEx person and my own mail person (I saw her from the window when she dropped off my mail) with masks that covered only their mouths and not their noses). I'm not sure how high contact those jobs actually are (presumably not a lot when delivering stuff), but that did not seem like the best possible protection.
People were all much more into the crossing the street or stepping well off the sidewalk to avoid each other than they were last week.3
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