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I have also been told that using a non woven lining in between the two fabric layers is best. I had some fusible interfacing and made mask using higher thread count fabrics. Sheets are a great idea, I have some 600 count sheets I have been saving to use as drop cloths. Now we just need to be able to find elastic which would be easier than making my own bias tape for ties. Local stores have been sold out of Bias tape, elastic, shoe laces, etc, for weeks and online stores are projecting that they cannot ship until May.
Thank you for taking care of your local Humane Society!
Try finding hair bands. I have heard they work.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
I'm childfree and laughing at all the people who droned on about how great their kids are when they don't see them most of the day. And now that they are stuck together, it's an entirely different story I'm seeing. Even my sister, who is still gone to work a lot of hours as a nurse, has a whole new perspective suddenly.🤣
Even the great kids are challenging to take care of during a quarantine. No one had built their lives to accommodate suddenly yanking their kids out of school with no notice in March and figuring out how to engage them while trying to work full time.13 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »
It will be rather difficult to read original source information for a historian if they can't read cursive handwriting, and before you ask, I had a friend who started into a History Master's degree and it was vital that they get their information from the original sources, not copies or typed copies.
So one downside of not learning how to read cursive is a loss of history and information. If Great-grandaddy's journal is passed down, how will the child who can't read cursive read it and learn about his ancestor's thoughts?
Lol. I suppose if someone is specializing in a certain field that they can get specialized training in how to read original source material no matter what language or style it's written in. We don't teach everyone how to decipher original ancient Greek texts in public school either. And yet somehow the people who study them manage to learn later on. And figuring out what different styles of cursive or different writing fonts look like through the ages is not nearly as hard as learning a new language. My great granddaddy's cursive looks nothing like the style I learned in the 80s. And the style of writing on the constitution is even harder to read. And yet I can still figure it out. Some people just have a hard time with change and doing things differently freaks them out. That's what it boils down to.8 -
I'm one of those people who responds to invitations with, "Oh, how kind of you to think of me, but sorry, I already have plans," and the plans are to stay home alone in my sweats. I have pets and adult children at home, so social distancing has been a pretty easy task for me; I don't need other company. I went shopping before 3/13, and just went again on 4/06. I know I am lucky, to be so contented on my own. I do worry about others and feel sad about lost lives, lost income, lost joy. I'm exercising regularly to stay upbeat, and I love the challenge of teaching online in a way to reach and engage my students who are a particularly challenging group.
I have a couple of friends who are struggling with the isolation and I am happy to have them meet me at a specific dog park that is huge (over 2 miles for one loop) and has trails a good 10-12 feet wide throughout. The dog parks around here all have signs about how to be safe while using them. Those with slightly more narrow trails still have a good 8 feet across usually, but I only walk with my kids in those, b/c they are smaller and could potentially get more crowded. My dogs--a Border Collie and an Australian Shepherd--need two loops of the big park while I throw a ball the whole time. As it gets warmer, they will wear out more quickly. I may be able to back off how much we have to walk. I can't run on my local trail with them b/c it is too narrow and people there are *not* practicing social distancing. People in the DP seem to "get it," or maybe like me they are mostly introverts who naturally practice social distancing.
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I am really introverted and the first 10 days were fine. The last week I have been struggling with just an overall feeling of frustration. I live alone so I like being by myself, but i have realized that I need some kind of interaction, or at least to get out of my house every day. I am disabled, so I can't just go out and walk or jog or exercise outside, so I just get in my car and drive around. I have been stopping at the convenience store for a pop every couple of days.
I actually think the virus went through my area back at the end of January/early February. We only have 9 cases in our county at the moment. There were a lot of people who had respiratory issues, and short of breath. I got sick Feb. 8th with a sore throat and headache, then fever, coughing and somewhat short of breath, but didn't realize it at the time. If I sat in a chair and stayed still, I was fine. If I breathed in deep, I would hit a point where it felt harder to push past that point and if I did, I would cough for a minute or two. I remember the first day thinking I was coming down with a cold, then my fever spiked to 102 a couple of times. Otherwise, was around 99. I even remember saying to my coworker that for having a cold, I wasn't sneezing much. All but one day I felt well enough to go to work, so I did. In talking to several people in the last few weeks, a lot of them think they had it around the same time also.
So that feeling that I already had it isn't helping me want to stay home.6 -
moonangel12 wrote: »Going back to animals testing positive - is this now a risk to consider? Our neighbor’s dog comes over often to play with our dog (both neighbor dogs actually)... do I need to worry that our dog could share COVID either direction?
Totally aside from the issue of the dogs being infected, most people pet their dogs. I doubt many of them are washing their hands before they do so. So now any virus they may have shed onto surfaces they've touched or directly onto their hands is now on their dog's coat. I'm guessing when the dogs play together, there is some contact between their coats. Now you need to give dog a really good bath before letting it back in the house.0 -
musicfan68 wrote: »I am really introverted and the first 10 days were fine. The last week I have been struggling with just an overall feeling of frustration. I live alone so I like being by myself, but i have realized that I need some kind of interaction, or at least to get out of my house every day. I am disabled, so I can't just go out and walk or jog or exercise outside, so I just get in my car and drive around. I have been stopping at the convenience store for a pop every couple of days.
I actually think the virus went through my area back at the end of January/early February. We only have 9 cases in our county at the moment. There were a lot of people who had respiratory issues, and short of breath. I got sick Feb. 8th with a sore throat and headache, then fever, coughing and somewhat short of breath, but didn't realize it at the time. If I sat in a chair and stayed still, I was fine. If I breathed in deep, I would hit a point where it felt harder to push past that point and if I did, I would cough for a minute or two. I remember the first day thinking I was coming down with a cold, then my fever spiked to 102 a couple of times. Otherwise, was around 99. I even remember saying to my coworker that for having a cold, I wasn't sneezing much. All but one day I felt well enough to go to work, so I did. In talking to several people in the last few weeks, a lot of them think they had it around the same time also.
So that feeling that I already had it isn't helping me want to stay home.
You mean that only 9 people have tested positive in your county. Unless there is universal testing, we cannot assume that the number testing positive is actually the exact number who have it.
I think it is important to remember that about 25% of all colds are caused by other coronaviruses. I have been really sick with "just a cold" several times in the past 20 years (I can't remember before that).
If the illness wasn't spreading like wildfire and causing hospitals in your area to become overwhelmed, it probably wasn't COVID-19. That's what has been characteristic of this coronavirus from the get-go in China; it didn't have to mutate to that point. It isn't just about someone sick with fever and shortness of breath (or any other cluster of symptoms). It's the speed of transmission and the high rate of hospitalization necessary for 20% or so of those infected.
Please stay safe and stay well.
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You mean that only 9 people have tested positive in your county. Unless there is universal testing, we cannot assume that the number testing positive is actually the exact number who have it.
I think it is important to remember that about 25% of all colds are caused by other coronaviruses. I have been really sick with "just a cold" several times in the past 20 years (I can't remember before that).
If the illness wasn't spreading like wildfire and causing hospitals in your area to become overwhelmed, it probably wasn't COVID-19. That's what has been characteristic of this coronavirus from the get-go in China; it didn't have to mutate to that point. It isn't just about someone sick with fever and shortness of breath (or any other cluster of symptoms). It's the speed of transmission and the high rate of hospitalization necessary for 20% or so of those infected.
Please stay safe and stay well.
I've had lots of colds over the years also, and never had shortness of breath and basically no sneezing. Also, colds don't usually cause a fever. We had half our kids absent from school over a 2 week period, which was huge, more than normal, the last half of February. 80% of people don't need to be in the hospital, which is a pretty high percentage, most people have just mild symptoms. Even if 20% needed hospitalized, I don't think it would necessarily overwhelm our hospitals any more than usual. We live in a rural county in Iowa, with several hospitals spread out around the area. They always see a huge spike in Jan/Feb with Flu/Bronchitis, and other respiratory things. They weren't bothering to test people for COVID until the beginning of March. Not outside the realm of possibility that people had it in the weeks leading up to March, even people in the hospital.
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musicfan68 wrote: »I am really introverted and the first 10 days were fine. The last week I have been struggling with just an overall feeling of frustration. I live alone so I like being by myself, but i have realized that I need some kind of interaction, or at least to get out of my house every day. I am disabled, so I can't just go out and walk or jog or exercise outside, so I just get in my car and drive around. I have been stopping at the convenience store for a pop every couple of days.
I actually think the virus went through my area back at the end of January/early February. We only have 9 cases in our county at the moment. There were a lot of people who had respiratory issues, and short of breath. I got sick Feb. 8th with a sore throat and headache, then fever, coughing and somewhat short of breath, but didn't realize it at the time. If I sat in a chair and stayed still, I was fine. If I breathed in deep, I would hit a point where it felt harder to push past that point and if I did, I would cough for a minute or two. I remember the first day thinking I was coming down with a cold, then my fever spiked to 102 a couple of times. Otherwise, was around 99. I even remember saying to my coworker that for having a cold, I wasn't sneezing much. All but one day I felt well enough to go to work, so I did. In talking to several people in the last few weeks, a lot of them think they had it around the same time also.
So that feeling that I already had it isn't helping me want to stay home.
I think your story may apply to several of us. I expect it will be a while before we can just pop in for an antibody test. In the mean time I plan to keep my antioxidant intake is as high as possible to help ward off the 'ground glass' looking lungs if I develop COVID-19. One way or another this will all be behind us one day.
It seems Amazon may be running smoother. Monday I order six different health related items and I noticed all shipped from Nashville TN early this morning. On my last order my items shipped from 8 difference warehouses as far away as Las Vegas.4 -
It was a somewhat bad flu season. I recall a lot of people having a bad flu back in November. I see 0 reason to think that was an outbreak of COVID and that my area already had it, and there are reasons my area would be likely to be among the earliest ones (I'm in a big city, major transportation hub, lots of people are reliant on public transportation, and there is a relatively large Chinese population compared to lots of other places, as well as lots of businesses with connections to China and people who engage in lots of international travel. Also, major medical centers, which yes, are likely to be overwhelmed by this and aren't by the yearly flu). And yes, they were testing some early on when there were believed to be only a few in the country. We had someone who had traveled in Wuhan and developed symptoms test positive in January and then his wife test positive later in Jan, which was reported as significant as evidence of human to human spread in the US.
There are other cities that fit this category even more, of course, such as NYC. Other areas have closer connections with Asia (Seattle for one, SF/Bay Area, LA). Boston also has a lot of international businesses. All of these areas have had major outbreaks (including mine), and they were obvious major outbreaks, connected with many positive tests, much pressure to get tests since there were many people hospitalized and some known cases early on with likely symptoms, and initially all traced to people traveling from China (or Italy, which I think was even more significant where I am, but later in the timeline), and then evidence of community transmission, and now many deaths. (Other areas like FL and NOLA have major outbreaks for various other reasons too likely having to do with travel to the area from all over the country and lots of congregating.)
I'm extremely skeptical that anywhere that doesn't have the types of characteristics I mention, and didn't have enough people hospitalized or dying to suspect a major outbreak actually had this illness (and have come out on the other side) with only 9 people testing positive. There are reasons, say, Seattle was a hot spot before NYC. There aren't really reasons most other places would be (and that certainly includes a rural county in IA, so that really sounds like wishful thinking to me).12 -
My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.
How do you know this? Are you in the US?3 -
USA 🇺🇸 San Antonio Texas our bases received the first case to cruise ships even.
I know this because they announced it’s been 3 months a few days ago. I been in isolation over a month now left only 1x for food. Here’s our timeline started in November here. https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-A-timeline-of-COVID-19-15101570.php
It was contained to the base medical only until they oopsie let a lady out she went shopping 🛍 at the mall . Cleche sounding but true. Then the community cases were snowballing.2 -
China’s coming out of quarantine but the social distancing y precautions are the new norm. We should do the same https://apple.news/AHglO5RcwQyWkwGFuYRC12w2
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »USA 🇺🇸 San Antonio Texas our bases received the first case to cruise ships even.
I know this because they announced it’s been 3 months a few days ago. I been in isolation over a month now left only 1x for food. Here’s our timeline started in November here. https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-A-timeline-of-COVID-19-15101570.php
It was contained to the base medical only until they oopsie let a lady out she went shopping 🛍 at the mall . Cleche sounding but true. Then the community cases were snowballing.
This says first case outside of the base was on Mar. 13. There is no mention of when it was at the base.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
This says first case outside of the base was on Mar. 13. There is no mention of when it was at the base.
One of the links on there says that the first quarantined case with a positive test on the base was on Feb 12.
The one who went to the mall was released from base on Feb 29th.1 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »My town in ate as has had Covid for 3 months already so possible Very possible.
Are you confusing months and weeks? It hasn't even been three months since the first case in the U.S. on Jan. 19 (in Seattle).8 -
February 7th one of the many planes we have gotten landed full of them even a few were sick already. The bases started making changes around here before that even.
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Coronavirus-evacuees-expected-in-San-Antonio-on-15035839.php
Wuhan had it since November https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html
Some isn’t written we just seeing in with our own eyes y ears we didn’t even know what they were talking about yet as base members talked to each other passing us by in the stores.
Their thinking a few had it before that but was misdiagnosed deaths y illness1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »
One of the links on there says that the first quarantined case with a positive test on the base was on Feb 12.
The one who went to the mall was released from base on Feb 29th.
OK, I didn't read the other article, then... but that is not even 2 months. @RsLateInLifeMom said 3 months. Not sure where that came from, but Feb. it was spreading quite a few places. Interestingly enough, Albany, GA had the 2nd highest infection rate per-capita in the U.S. at one time (1st was NYC) - maybe still does, but I haven't checked in a week or so. As @lemurcat2 pointed out, most of the areas with high infection rates are large cities with major transportation hubs and lots of people with close connections to China. Except Albany, GA does not fit that description. The reason Albany, GA had such a high infection rate is because someone visited on 2/29 for a funeral and spread it to several others who then spread it throughout the community in the first few weeks of March. By the time other people started showing symptoms, it was already spread everywhere.
Here's an article detailing it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/us/coronavirus-funeral-albany-georgia.html?fbclid=IwAR0nxNvILgasGzzKiydK01UDvUSZgHHhU6fx4MSBZ661x7fxuu5vtJKpxOE
Here's a photo of me in Albany, GA taken on 3/7/20 while it was brewing:Spoiler
In hindsight, it would have been wise to cancel that event. I admit I would have been rather upset if they had done that, but neither the RD nor I knew at that time what was happening.4 -
February 6th plane had 2 but we already had someone from Wuhan before them at the base when they were still just whispers no news reports yet or knowledge of the virus
I saw hazmat suits removing a family from an apartment into ambulances 🚑 on February 24th at an civilian apartment buildings isolated myself immediately baby too we were coming back from Chuckie Cheese . Never seen anything like it before.1 -
Our Doctors were told about this in January even
https://www.sanantonio.gov/Portals/0/Files/health/News/Alerts/20200121NovelCoronavirus.pdf1 -
January 31 more medical papers . Yup my Doctor told me about it back then even. Our city a military city we took in case 1 case back in January.
In a litterely a week or two is the anniversary of our first case on our base... as you can see the medical community knew after the military chain of command the people of San Antonio knew after them.Then you guys way after us. https://asm.org/Articles/2020/January/2019-Novel-Coronavirus-2019-nCoV-Update-Uncoating1 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Our Doctors were told about this in January even
https://www.sanantonio.gov/Portals/0/Files/health/News/Alerts/20200121NovelCoronavirus.pdfJRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »January 31 more medical papers . Yup my Doctor told me about it back then even. Our city a military city we took in case 1 case back in January.
In a litterely a week or two is the anniversary of our first case on our base... as you can see the medical community knew after the military chain of command the people of San Antonio knew after them.Then you guys way after us. https://asm.org/Articles/2020/January/2019-Novel-Coronavirus-2019-nCoV-Update-Uncoating
Neither of these show it has been in San Antonio for 3 months... in fact, the first link from the San Antonio Health Department specifically says that it first was brought to the U.S. to Washington on 1/15 (less than 3 months ago still), and that the test was done 1/20, case confirmed on 1/21. Even if San Antonio was in Washington, it is still a bit shy of 3 months.6 -
Lynn January 15th in Seattle not 19th. I’m counting the next week in my head then . Almost 3months we took in a case they found after discovering that one for Doctors to try figure this stuff out at a medical military facility here. They were doing great at containing it until more cases were being delivered in large numbers to the base.1
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We should do the same=we should come out of "stay at home"?
Also, I don't get the 3 month claim and the idea we can assume San Antonio has "had it already" or early or otherwise has herd immunity. Today=April 7. 3 months ago=Jan 7.
Timeline of known coronavirus cases in the US (and related news):
(1) Jan 20: The first confirmed cases outside mainland China occurred in Japan, South Korea and Thailand, according to the World Health Organization’s first situation report. The first confirmed case in the United States came the next day in Washington State, where a man in his 30s developed symptoms after returning from a trip to Wuhan.
(2) Jan 26: There were 5 known coronavirus cases in the US, all who had traveled to Wuhan during the outbreak. They were in (1) LA, (2) Maricopa Co., AZ, (3) WA, (4) Orange Co, CA, and (5) Chicago.
(3) Jan 30: First known human-to-human transmission in the US occurred, woman who had been to Wuhan to husband in Chicago, IL. At the time, there were 6 confirmed cases in the US, 92 additional people were being tested, and 68 people tested due to connections to the known cases had tested negative (including 21 in IL).
(4) Feb 1: Quarantine of US soldiers being withdrawn from high risk areas began, including in San Antonio, BUT "Feb. 8: None of the 91 people quarantined at Joint Base San Antonio-Lackland had shown signs of the novel coronavirus since their arrival, according to U.S. Rep. Will Hurd who tweeted out an update."
(5) Feb 5: Diamond Princess quarantine begins (not in US, but involving some US citizens).
(6) Feb 9: US reports 9th coronavirus case (none in San Antonio).
(7) Feb 12: Positive test from one of those under quarantine in San Antonio (note: under quarantine, what did not happen with most or perhaps any US travelers to China or Italy, even when they were being required to return due to fear that the location they were in was having an outbreak).
(8) Feb 14: France announces first coronavirus death in Europe (of Chinese tourist).
(9) Feb 17: A bunch of quarantined patients from the Diamond Princess joined the quarantine in San Antonio.
(10) Feb 19: People believed to be unaffected (not ones sharing cabins with positive testing people) were permitted to leave the Diamond Princess.
(11) Feb 20: 90 Diamond Princess quantinees in San Antonio permitted to leave (to go all over the US) on the basis they had been medically cleared. Some others remained (again, in quarantine, and eventually tested positive).
(12) Feb 21: Known US cases increase to 35, with return of at least 18 known positive Diamond Princess passengers. CDC said no known community spread yet.
(13) Feb 23: Italy sees major surge in coronavirus cases and starts to lockdown towns.
(14) Feb 29: US has first known coronavirus death (in Seattle). Also outbreak in nursing home near Seattle becomes known and WA declares state of emergency.
(15) March 2: First case in New Rochelle, NY discovered.
(16) March 5: NY cases at 22.
(17) March 8: NY at 105 cases
(18) March 9: Chicago gets first case that looks like possible community spread.
(19) March 10: 108 cases in New Rochelle, NY identified, more than half connected to the person identified on 3/2.
(20) March 11: At least in Chicago metro, everything starts being cancelled, including theater performances, conferences, the St Patrick's Day Parade (Europe was a bit ahead of us, including Ireland).
(21) March 15: CDC recommends no gatherings of more than 50 in US.
(22) March 18: Rumor in Chicago that stay at home order is expected begins, and then Oak Park, IL announces plans for stay at home order. Stay at home order is announced on March 20.
(23) March 23: San Antonio has 57 cases, and 16 believed to be community spread. The first death in San Antonio was announced on 3/22. Mayor issues stay at home order.
(23) April 1: TX has almost 4000 cases and 58 deaths, gov relents and issues stay at home order.
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Thank you, @lemurcat2, for that very comprehensive summary of facts.11
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »China’s coming out of quarantine but the social distancing y precautions are the new norm. We should do the same https://apple.news/AHglO5RcwQyWkwGFuYRC12w
I hope by "we should do the same" you mean continue with physical distancing etc once wherever you are is at a point where spread is under control, not that you think that stay at home orders should end now.9 -
Exactly Nony ! You get me big hugs 🤗 6ft apart air hugs . I think after our at hone orders are over we should continue to practice the new social distancing rules even after to avoid another pandemic for future generations5
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