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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Forgot to post this cool thing that people are doing in NZ for kids - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120513315/coronavirus-new-zealanders-start-teddy-bear-hunt-for-kids-during-covid19-lockdown
I guess bear hunts are a thing here in the US as well. I heard about rainbow hunts last week and my neighbor's 10 year old drew me a rainbow that I've put in my window.
https://www.today.com/parents/entertaining-kids-rainbows-bear-hunts-amid-coronavirus-t176726
Our little city is doing chalk drawings on the sidewalks. Some of them are very elaborate and fun to look at while out walking 😊
My SIL told me she was taking my nephews to write cheerful stuff in chalk on people's driveways. My brother thinks it's ridiculous! You can guess which is a pre-K teacher!
They keep telling us to go for walks....but all these kids are blocking the sidewalks writing a bunch of crap with chalk. I'M WALKING HERE PEOPLE!
Love, Your Neighborhood Curmudgeon
A kid in my building has given up on it's usual hopscotch chalking to abstract art---filling the cement squares with sort of quilt-like colored in shapes. I take a shortcut around it on the grass because the last thing I need is to clean colored chalk dust off my floors!2 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »After a few days of no community transmitted cases (all cases are either already quarantined or of known trackable origins), the curfew has been scaled back. Corner stores are now open, and we are allowed to be outside before 6 pm. I expected total chaos now that people are free to go out, but it appears a full curfew has changed how seriously they are taking this. They now stand in line and keep a proper distance between them all on their own. We have enough small stores everywhere, and larger stores are only open for delivery.
What country are you in again and when did you start taking measures to prevent community spread?
Jordan. They moved fast. Started measures when the first case was discovered. Closed land borders, then denied entry for non-citizens from high-risk countries, then stopped flights to and from high risk countries, then denied entry for non-citizens from all countries, then stopped all passenger flights. Returning citizens were transported to quarantine from the airport. When an earlier undiscovered case was present at a wedding which lead to a few more cases, they closed non-essencial businesses (lockdown) and closed all roads between provinces, and then when they discovered a case they couldn't track back to a source, they announced a full curfew, which now has been scaled back. The curfew only lasted 5 days to make sure no new cases of unknown origins were spreading. We were in lockdown for about a week before that. Everything happened fast.
I just read an article indicating that Jordan loosened their curfew due to "chaos" that the strict lockdown had caused, with many people not able to get food. Is this your understanding, or did Jordan really loosen restrictions because of reduced spread of the virus?
I apologize ahead of time if this sounds argumentative--I'm really just wondering about the true reason for the loosening of the restrictions, having just read that in the news.
Bread was the issue that caused chaos. They decided it was long enough with no cases of unknown origins to loosen things up and avoid bread chaos. So yes, you are right, it was a big part of that. They were planning to stay in curfew for 10 days and they had to cut it short because of bread.
Bread is usually bought daily right out of the bakery here, so to make freshly baked bread available they had bread trucks which caused a lot of gathering. If you ask me, I would have given it a few days and once people get used to the fact that bread is available daily, they won't storm the trucks the way they did. Another issue is that people buy a lot (and I mean a lot - several kgs of several kinds) of vegetables almost daily. There was no reliable way to deliver that to people. I personally would have had no problems living on rice and beans, I don't expect to keep the same standards of living in exceptional situations.
I personally wish we still had full curfew, but that's not up to me. I am pleasantly surprised, though, that most people seem to be taking precautions, I expected it to be worse, so here is hoping. My mom is in the medical field so she knows exactly how to handle stabilization, so that's one less thing to worry about.5 -
This morning my younger grandson's daycare teachers started zooming an hour of activities for the kids every morning! My daughter and SIL who are trying to work from home are sincerely grateful 😊5
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Forgot to post this cool thing that people are doing in NZ for kids - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120513315/coronavirus-new-zealanders-start-teddy-bear-hunt-for-kids-during-covid19-lockdown
I guess bear hunts are a thing here in the US as well. I heard about rainbow hunts last week and my neighbor's 10 year old drew me a rainbow that I've put in my window.
https://www.today.com/parents/entertaining-kids-rainbows-bear-hunts-amid-coronavirus-t176726
Our little city is doing chalk drawings on the sidewalks. Some of them are very elaborate and fun to look at while out walking 😊
My SIL told me she was taking my nephews to write cheerful stuff in chalk on people's driveways. My brother thinks it's ridiculous! You can guess which is a pre-K teacher!
They keep telling us to go for walks....but all these kids are blocking the sidewalks writing a bunch of crap with chalk. I'M WALKING HERE PEOPLE!
Love, Your Neighborhood Curmudgeon
Kids wrote stuff on the sidewalk in my neighborhood, including "BREATHE, the Universe is taking care of everything else," which google tells me is some commonplace inspiration saying with lots of Pinterest hits, but given the nature of this virus and what it does when someone has a severe case, seems like a VERY poor choice.7 -
No writing on sidewalks here... too much snow and getting more tomorrow6
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singingflutelady wrote: »No writing on sidewalks here... too much snow and getting more tomorrow
We're in the middle of a thunderstorm so all the chalk drawings will be gone when it clears up. 😔
Our little city population 60,000 just had to close all the parks, picnic areas and playgrounds because people just couldn't not gather in groups (and not just teens). I don't get it, I really don't. Most people have to risk crowds while shopping as it is, why take extra unnecessary chances? Especially with children. I've seen a couple of families with kids playing on playground equipment and I just wanted to stop and shake them!
We've had no cases that we know of yet. If it takes hold here it will be brutal. We have two local hospitals and a disproportionate number of over 55's and seniors, and while most people seem to be following guidelines and keeping their distance it doesn't take more than a few to start the flood. 😔8 -
799 cases and 13 deaths in Los Angeles County. No idea what fraction of the population was even tested.
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Our little city population 60,000 just had to close all the parks, picnic areas and playgrounds because people just couldn't not gather in groups (and not just teens). I don't get it, I really don't. Most people have to risk crowds while shopping as it is, why take extra unnecessary chances? Especially with children. I've seen a couple of families with kids playing on playground equipment and I just wanted to stop and shake them!
It might get to that point here. https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/03/25/parks-lakefront-could-be-closed-and-people-arrested-if-they-dont-start-staying-at-home-officials-warn/
"People could get fined up to $500 if they don't stop crowding each other at parks and beaches or if they don't practice social distancing."
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“For the most part, Chicagoans have been doing well at maintaining social distancing. But we are concerned with what we’ve seen in recent days — both indoors and outdoors,” [Mayor] Lightfoot said. “I’ve personally been concerned about what I’ve seen in our parks: people playing basketball. And what I’ve seen along our lakefront: way too many people gathering like it’s just another day.
“This is not another day.”
Lightfoot said that even while on her way to the press conference, she saw people congregating on the lakefront trail and at beaches.
Continuing to gather in crowds is against state law under the stay at home order, Lightfoot said, and it will lead to further spread of the coronavirus and more deaths.
It’s still OK to leave home to go on walks or to get essentials, like groceries. But walks should be short and kept near the home, Lightfoot said, and people should avoid long bike rides and runs along the lakefront. She also said playgrounds are shut down and people should not play on them."4 -
IL new numbers in: 1865 positives and 19 deaths (3 more since yesterday). 14,209 tested. Chicago (city only) has 915, and 5 deaths, so no more deaths here since yesterday.
Note re the issue of lots of people being out, it was close to 60 and sunny today, probably the nicest day of 2020 so far, and was quite nice yesterday too. For once we might be better off with worse weather.4 -
Interesting piece on map showing how much different areas are social distancing based on GPS maps.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-social-distancing-score-20200325-c5aeioufznd3vodcm3a3jkxpfu-story.html
"Both Cook County and the state of Illinois have high marks as of Tuesday on the “Social Distancing Scoreboard,” an interactive project based on GPS location data collected by the company Unacast that roughly measures whether or not people are heeding the advice of officials to “flatten the curve” of the spread of the coronavirus.
The scores were determined by the change in average distance traveled compared with before the coronavirus outbreak. If residents are staying put aside from the occasional trip to the grocery store or pharmacy, the dip in travel would be apparent in the data.
A more than 40% decrease leads to an A, with grades dropping from there. Anything less than a 10% decrease — or an increase — ends in an F...."
Illinois had a 40% decrease by March 21, according to Unacast’s board. Cook County saw a 44% decrease.
[Arwady, director of the IL dept of public health] noted that it’s safe for people to be out for walks and she encourages exercise with proper precautions but worries about crowds of people doing that at the same time. The city will be taking steps to limit crowds, Arwady said.
“When the lakefront is looking like the middle of summer and everyone’s wanting to go there, we are not social distancing effectively," she said. "We’re going to be doing some more patrolling there, some more trying to help folks stay away.”
Arwady said that Chicago is on a “big, steep, upward trajectory” in the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases, and the city is hoping to slow that rise. “We’ll put in additional orders if we need to,” she said, referring to the city’s stay home order.
“I’m glad we’re in better shape than the rest of the country, but it is not enough,” Arwady said, noting the 40% decline in city travel. The goal, she said, is to get to a 75% reduction to flatten the curve enough to prevent city hospitals from being overwhelmed.
“I need Chicago at an A+. Maybe an A++,” Arwady said."3 -
I don't know if this has been posted already.
Prince Charles tests positive, displays 'mild symptoms'
Britain's Prince Charles, heir to the throne, has tested positive for the coronavirus, his official royal residence said in a statement. The statement said Prince Charles, 71, has "been displaying mild symptoms but otherwise remains in good health." His wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, does not have the virus, a test showed.
Prince Charles' coronavirus diagnosis:It's a huge deal for Brits, the monarchy. Here's why.
Britain's Queen Elizabeth has canceled a number of diary events "as a sensible precaution" amid the outbreak, but as late as last week she was still holding "audiences" with members of the public. Britain's monarch is 93.
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I don't know if this has been posted already.
Prince Charles tests positive, displays 'mild symptoms'
Britain's Prince Charles, heir to the throne, has tested positive for the coronavirus, his official royal residence said in a statement. The statement said Prince Charles, 71, has "been displaying mild symptoms but otherwise remains in good health." His wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, does not have the virus, a test showed.
Prince Charles' coronavirus diagnosis:It's a huge deal for Brits, the monarchy. Here's why.
Britain's Queen Elizabeth has canceled a number of diary events "as a sensible precaution" amid the outbreak, but as late as last week she was still holding "audiences" with members of the public. Britain's monarch is 93.
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The Queen is just as stubborn as my 94-year-old mother!4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Just got my emergency alert, in case I'd somehow missed that we are going on lockdown. The alert sound on my phone was suitably obnoxious and attention grabbing...
Australia got a text alert yesterday too. Our PM held a press conference the evening before, imposing a new level of restrictions (none surprising - weddings, funerals, boot camps, beauty services etc). For some reason, they imposed a restriction of hairdressing appointments to be 30 minutes long but cut all other health and beauty services completely. THEN, by the typical mixed messaging we are used to here, that decision was reversed this morning and all hair services can operate. It's ridiculous.
The text message we received finished with 'and stay home if you're sick', contrary to all directives to 'stay home if possible' given prior.
*kitten* show...4 -
On a better note - my seeds came in today, and with the weather prediction being nice and sunny tomorrow, I'm going to get to play in the dirt getting my seed starting stuff all out - I might even go ahead and plant my peas while I'm at it. Something nice and soothing to help calm the nerves
I got a walk in this evening. Its a very small town, so I'm walking the streets and along the main road through town. I only passed one other person in the entire hour I was walking, and we were easily 10 feet apart when we passed. Very few people in this town go outside for any sort of activity, so I don't fear any warnings coming from the town about outdoor activities.
And though our state is supposed to be in a shelter in place lock down, traffic on the main road was pretty steady and really about normal. My sister works for Krogers and said they were busy. The list of what is considered essential in WV is long and pretty much the only places that had to close were beauty shops, sit-down restaurants with no carry out options, and bars and theaters. The local retail shops, pharmacies, and grocery stores are still open, and as long as those places are open, especially Walmart, people are going to go out and about business as usual. In my area, its probably going to take a positive case of the virus in town or hitting someone we all know before most people take it seriously, I'm afraid.5 -
smithker75 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Just got my emergency alert, in case I'd somehow missed that we are going on lockdown. The alert sound on my phone was suitably obnoxious and attention grabbing...
Australia got a text alert yesterday too. Our PM held a press conference the evening before, imposing a new level of restrictions (none surprising - weddings, funerals, boot camps, beauty services etc). For some reason, they imposed a restriction of hairdressing appointments to be 30 minutes long but cut all other health and beauty services completely. THEN, by the typical mixed messaging we are used to here, that decision was reversed this morning and all hair services can operate. It's ridiculous.
The text message we received finished with 'and stay home if you're sick', contrary to all directives to 'stay home if possible' given prior.
*kitten* show...
*sigh*
And no, you can't have Cindy.4 -
@Nony_Mouse haha. Beat me to it. I just watched her FB live...amazing.
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This is the updated compilation of Italian Mayors losing it at people violating #Covid19 quarantine.
"I stopped him and said, 'Look, this isn't a movie. You are not Will Smith in "I Am Legend." Go home."15 -
Here on the ground in Riverside County in So Cal we have the National Guard helping at the food banks and a new Federal medical facility going up somewhere in the county but I'm not really sure where that will be. We have one drive-thru testing facility at the stadium in Lake Elsinore but our testing ability is still very limited as far as I know. In the entire state of CA I've read we've only tested as of yesterday about 26,000 people. Not sure how valid that is
but it's difficult to get exact numbers.
Hubby and I are home and going out once a week for groceries or prescriptions for him and there are quite a few stores here opening early for seniors.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/17/coronavirus-shopping-stores-introduce-time-for-vulnerable-elderly-pregnant/5074064002/
We have a small wholesale sporting goods business and we've work from home since 2006 and have a big warehouse in our backyard and share an office in one of the bedrooms. We've had no calls or orders in 1 1/2 weeks but we have a rainy day fund and will be able to pay our bills. Not sure if all of our customers will be able to pay us until they get back up and running, if they do. We don't have employees anymore so I'm actually grateful for that.
On the health front, my daughter in San Francisco is finally better. Her doc thinks she had COVID-19 even though the first test came back negative. She wanted her to be tested again but was denied the second test. We would like to know if she had it though in case she now has immunity so hopefully when there are more tests available that will be possible.
Our son in CO is considered an essential employee and CO just ordered a stay at home declaration tonight so he'll still be working. He's not very busy and depends on commissions so we'll see how that goes.
Our daughter in CO is working at home with her husband and their 28 month old son but are in the process of having 2/3 of their house completely gutted and remodeled. If they'd know this was coming they never would have started. She's overwhelmed and normally I would go there to help but they're living out of 2 bedrooms, 1 bathroom and a basement which also includes their office. Our grandson has been running a fever since Monday and has a cough so they're not sure what's going on with that. She'd like to have him tested but isn't sure that will happen.
I'm pretty stressed worrying about the kids but I'm not allowed to leave the house to help which is really what's killing me.
On a personal note my hip replacement has been delayed indefinitely. I would never want to take the resources away from someone who needs them more.
Hoping this passes sooner rather than later but I seriously doubt Easter weekend will be the turning point, at least not here or in many other states. We have a niece and great nephew in NY and are praying for them every day, as well as everyone around the world.16 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »And though our state is supposed to be in a shelter in place lock down, traffic on the main road was pretty steady and really about normal. My sister works for Krogers and said they were busy. The list of what is considered essential in WV is long and pretty much the only places that had to close were beauty shops, sit-down restaurants with no carry out options, and bars and theaters. The local retail shops, pharmacies, and grocery stores are still open, and as long as those places are open, especially Walmart, people are going to go out and about business as usual. In my area, its probably going to take a positive case of the virus in town or hitting someone we all know before most people take it seriously, I'm afraid.
He was working from home so we drove into town during his lunch to check things out (didn’t get out of the car), but yeah, most everything was open minus a few storefronts (hair, consignment, can’t remember what else). Everything else had lights on and running (mostly restaurants, pharmacies, and banks I guess).
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Most of our stores are closed (and those open are often operating by curbside as much as possible) with the exception of stuff like grocery, pet supplies, pharmacy, liquor. Banks here have very reduced personnel (as nearly all bank functions don't have to be in person). Restaurants are delivery only.
I walked around my immediate neighborhood today (not in the direction of any grocery store) and everything I saw was closed but for a gas station. Many businesses that are operating (like construction, apparently, as I saw various ongoing projects) don't have storefronts. I'm technically essential, but even essential is supposed to WFH if possible and we are (with one person going into the empty office once a week). But businesses that need to be open to survive are lobbying to be declared essential -- I got an email from a pet grooming place (which I have never used, I have cats and they would be horrified) that claimed pet grooming had been declared essential in NY and they they were still trying to change IL's mind, and a landscaper/yard care place I used one emailed relieved that they had been declared essential.1 -
I can see that pet grooming is sort of essential - not the fancy stuff but basic cutting of dogs with fur that needs cutting.
Also landscaping - if we want people to stay home and do home things we would be contradicting that if garden shops were closed.
As well as basic repairs of hoses, fences etc. and basic equipment like weeding implements, buckets, etc.3 -
A simple guide to what NZers can do in lockdown: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120596706/coronavirus-heres-a-simple-breakdown-of-what-you-can-do-in-lockdown3
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paperpudding wrote: »I can see that pet grooming is sort of essential - not the fancy stuff but basic cutting of dogs with fur that needs cutting.
Also landscaping - if we want people to stay home and do home things we would be contradicting that if garden shops were closed.
As well as basic repairs of hoses, fences etc. and basic equipment like weeding implements, buckets, etc.
Landscaping yes, and they can do it entirely outside, but I'm skeptical about pet grooming. But they could do it with complete social distancing.0 -
The brothels in rural Nevada, which initially stayed open with extra safeguards, have now been shut down as nonessential.4
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
That's a longer list than we used to have (before the curfew was announced, now it's even shorter). I'm curious why liquor stores are considered essential.
Because folks need to keep their sanity... :drinker:
I’m not caught up so I’m sure I’m not the first to jump in, but guys.... there are addicts whose lives depend on alcohol. Even if you don’t have compassion for alcoholism (I certainly do), that will mean more people showing up in the hospital.9 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Italy had another spike today in reported deaths. It should be a lesson to all of us. What I have heard happen is that when Milan was getting ready to lock down, many of their young got on trains and fled the area, concerned to be restricted. This, I believe, is the second "wave" from that. I had hoped their numbers would continue to go down.
I'm afraid we're about to see numbers of 500, then 1000 dying a day (or more) by next week. We can't go back to "business as usual" until all the doctors and nurses have adequate protection, ventilators, supplies and aren't putting their lives in danger. Perhaps when they are taken care of first (and those at risk with masks and gloves), then we can work on getting masks and gloves for the general public. At the rate our government is getting things done, that would be like end of Summer. I can also see a mass produced stop gap vaccine using antibodies of those that have recovered by then. Give it to those in greatest risk first (the medical providers and elderly and those with preexisting conditions) and then the rest of us. Then, we can all get back to work. But that's four months from now minimum and would require a government to govern.
At this stage, I have way more faith in the private sector than I do the public sector.
I don't know where you are, or how you define "we," but global daily deaths have been over 1,000 since March 19 and hit 2,381 yesterday (March 24).
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/
Sorry, should have said in the US. It's followed (and still continues to) the same exact curve that Italy did. I do realize what you said if you go back over my past posts. I'm in AZ. All I'm observing is that we will be Italy's numbers times our population (times six I believe).
OK, if we're talking US, I think you're likely right that we're looking at roughly 1,000 new deaths a day by this time next week. There were 247 new deaths yesterday (March 25), and it looks to be roughly doubling every 3 days, so about 500 new deaths on March 28, and about 1,000 new deaths on March 31. I don't think we've had strong enough social distancing in enough places for long enough to see the effect of limiting contacts yet, given the long incubation period of this virus. But I'm hoping that some of that leveling-off effect might start showing up after another week.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »
This is the updated compilation of Italian Mayors losing it at people violating #Covid19 quarantine.
"I stopped him and said, 'Look, this isn't a movie. You are not Will Smith in "I Am Legend." Go home."
Most of these are mayors in the South where things aren't bad yet. Since they went to LockDown, people are treating this as a vacation, and keeping up their normal routine. Hence the mayors "taking to task" their citizens. The one that's shown the most is the mayor of Bari, who got out there and personally sent people home.10 -
paperpudding wrote: »I can see that pet grooming is sort of essential - not the fancy stuff but basic cutting of dogs with fur that needs cutting.
Also landscaping - if we want people to stay home and do home things we would be contradicting that if garden shops were closed.
As well as basic repairs of hoses, fences etc. and basic equipment like weeding implements, buckets, etc.
Landscaping yes, and they can do it entirely outside, but I'm skeptical about pet grooming. But they could do it with complete social distancing.
some dogs dont shed hair and it needs to be cut (eg poodles) For the dog's health and comfort, not appearance.
Not everyone would have equipment or confidence or ability to do that themselves.
although I guess they could limit it to groomers who bring their van to you types rather than places you take the dog to.
The groomer who does our dog comes to our place but doesnt come into our house at all - would be easy enough to tie dog up on the porch rail for her to collect and vice versa when done and owner and groomer keep well away from each other.
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spinnerdell wrote: »The brothels in rural Nevada, which initially stayed open with extra safeguards, have now been shut down as nonessential.
*raises eyebrow* I mean, how would you even begin to practice 6 ft minimum social distance in this case? Actually, I take that back - I really don't want to know.......lolBut businesses that need to be open to survive are lobbying to be declared essential -- I got an email from a pet grooming place (which I have never used, I have cats and they would be horrified) that claimed pet grooming had been declared essential in NY and they they were still trying to change IL's mind, and a landscaper/yard care place I used one emailed relieved that they had been declared essential.
I've got a cat that gets himself shaved once or twice a year. 3 of my 5 have maine coon in them and have that thick, long fur with a dense undercoat. 1 almost never gets mats at all; I've probably only had to cut one off of her in her 8 year lifetime. The 2nd will get them near her tail, and I sometimes have to pin her down to clip the fur in that area for hygiene reasons but that's because she is so darned fat that she can't reach that area very well to groom herself (how do you put a fat cat on a diet when she's the kind that hovers like a vulture just waiting for food while you've got 2 skittish ones that want to graze a little now and then and you aren't home all day?) Anyway, the 3rd one never bathes himself. I can probably count on one 1 hand the number of times I've actually seen this cat give himself a minor licking. He gets really grungy and since I don't have 8 arms to be able to hold him down and clip him myself, he goes to the vet and gets shaved in the summer.moonangel12 wrote: »My husband is considered essential, and was trying to figure out just who wasn’t included on the listHe was working from home so we drove into town during his lunch to check things out (didn’t get out of the car), but yeah, most everything was open minus a few storefronts (hair, consignment, can’t remember what else). Everything else had lights on and running (mostly restaurants, pharmacies, and banks I guess).
yup; not very many places are actually under that order when you look at the list, including places of worship (cause its not like the old timers like my 90 year old grandfather won't stubbornly go to church on Sunday if the doors are open, stay in place orders or no.....)
The Beckley Crossroads Mall is closed except for Rural King and Pet Smart, and I get why places like those or Tractor Supply and such are open because of feed needs for various pets and farm animals, and spring planting and such still need supplies. And I also understand grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations and convenience stores staying open.
I also understand the need and desire to keep as many places open as possible and retain as many jobs as possible, even if the hours are shortened - I guess some sort of paycheck is better than none at all!
However, the flip side is that people are people and my life's philosophy has always been that people are stupid, and its one thing that I have yet to see proven wrong. There are a good many people in my area that don't care about the orders for social distancing; if there's a place to go, they're going to go just because. And I'm not sure really how you can control that; even if you had the police and national guard making patrols in a martial law like situation, all they have to say is that they are going to the grocery/pharmacy/pet store whatever for "essentials".6 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »spinnerdell wrote: »The brothels in rural Nevada, which initially stayed open with extra safeguards, have now been shut down as nonessential.
*raises eyebrow* I mean, how would you even begin to practice 6 ft minimum social distance in this case? Actually, I take that back - I really don't want to know.......lolBut businesses that need to be open to survive are lobbying to be declared essential -- I got an email from a pet grooming place (which I have never used, I have cats and they would be horrified) that claimed pet grooming had been declared essential in NY and they they were still trying to change IL's mind, and a landscaper/yard care place I used one emailed relieved that they had been declared essential.
I've got a cat that gets himself shaved once or twice a year. 3 of my 5 have maine coon in them and have that thick, long fur with a dense undercoat. 1 almost never gets mats at all; I've probably only had to cut one off of her in her 8 year lifetime. The 2nd will get them near her tail, and I sometimes have to pin her down to clip the fur in that area for hygiene reasons but that's because she is so darned fat that she can't reach that area very well to groom herself (how do you put a fat cat on a diet when she's the kind that hovers like a vulture just waiting for food while you've got 2 skittish ones that want to graze a little now and then and you aren't home all day?) Anyway, the 3rd one never bathes himself. I can probably count on one 1 hand the number of times I've actually seen this cat give himself a minor licking. He gets really grungy and since I don't have 8 arms to be able to hold him down and clip him myself, he goes to the vet and gets shaved in the summer.moonangel12 wrote: »My husband is considered essential, and was trying to figure out just who wasn’t included on the listHe was working from home so we drove into town during his lunch to check things out (didn’t get out of the car), but yeah, most everything was open minus a few storefronts (hair, consignment, can’t remember what else). Everything else had lights on and running (mostly restaurants, pharmacies, and banks I guess).
yup; not very many places are actually under that order when you look at the list, including places of worship (cause its not like the old timers like my 90 year old grandfather won't stubbornly go to church on Sunday if the doors are open, stay in place orders or no.....)
KOOL
The Beckley Crossroads Mall is closed except for Rural King and Pet Smart, and I get why places like those or Tractor Supply and such are open because of feed needs for various pets and farm animals, and spring planting and such still need supplies. And I also understand grocery stores, pharmacies, gas stations and convenience stores staying open.
I also understand the need and desire to keep as many places open as possible and retain as many jobs as possible, even if the hours are shortened - I guess some sort of paycheck is better than none at all!
However, the flip side is that people are people and my life's philosophy has always been that people are stupid, and its one thing that I have yet to see proven wrong. There are a good many people in my area that don't care about the orders for social distancing; if there's a place to go, they're going to go just because. And I'm not sure really how you can control that; even if you had the police and national guard making patrols in a martial law like situation, all they have to say is that they are going to the grocery/pharmacy/pet store whatever for "essentials".
The company I retired from 2 years ago, emailed letters to the employees last night, that they have to keep in their vehicles, for if they get stopped and asked where they are going. The state of Minnesota is initiating stay at home order starting tomorrow. The company is essential, construction related.2
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