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lightenup2016 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »After a few days of no community transmitted cases (all cases are either already quarantined or of known trackable origins), the curfew has been scaled back. Corner stores are now open, and we are allowed to be outside before 6 pm. I expected total chaos now that people are free to go out, but it appears a full curfew has changed how seriously they are taking this. They now stand in line and keep a proper distance between them all on their own. We have enough small stores everywhere, and larger stores are only open for delivery.
What country are you in again and when did you start taking measures to prevent community spread?
Jordan. They moved fast. Started measures when the first case was discovered. Closed land borders, then denied entry for non-citizens from high-risk countries, then stopped flights to and from high risk countries, then denied entry for non-citizens from all countries, then stopped all passenger flights. Returning citizens were transported to quarantine from the airport. When an earlier undiscovered case was present at a wedding which lead to a few more cases, they closed non-essencial businesses (lockdown) and closed all roads between provinces, and then when they discovered a case they couldn't track back to a source, they announced a full curfew, which now has been scaled back. The curfew only lasted 5 days to make sure no new cases of unknown origins were spreading. We were in lockdown for about a week before that. Everything happened fast.
I just read an article indicating that Jordan loosened their curfew due to "chaos" that the strict lockdown had caused, with many people not able to get food. Is this your understanding, or did Jordan really loosen restrictions because of reduced spread of the virus?
I apologize ahead of time if this sounds argumentative--I'm really just wondering about the true reason for the loosening of the restrictions, having just read that in the news.
Bread was the issue that caused chaos. They decided it was long enough with no cases of unknown origins to loosen things up and avoid bread chaos. So yes, you are right, it was a big part of that. They were planning to stay in curfew for 10 days and they had to cut it short because of bread.
Bread is usually bought daily right out of the bakery here, so to make freshly baked bread available they had bread trucks which caused a lot of gathering. If you ask me, I would have given it a few days and once people get used to the fact that bread is available daily, they won't storm the trucks the way they did. Another issue is that people buy a lot (and I mean a lot - several kgs of several kinds) of vegetables almost daily. There was no reliable way to deliver that to people. I personally would have had no problems living on rice and beans, I don't expect to keep the same standards of living in exceptional situations.
I personally wish we still had full curfew, but that's not up to me. I am pleasantly surprised, though, that most people seem to be taking precautions, I expected it to be worse, so here is hoping. My mom is in the medical field so she knows exactly how to handle stabilization, so that's one less thing to worry about.5 -
This morning my younger grandson's daycare teachers started zooming an hour of activities for the kids every morning! My daughter and SIL who are trying to work from home are sincerely grateful 😊5
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Forgot to post this cool thing that people are doing in NZ for kids - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120513315/coronavirus-new-zealanders-start-teddy-bear-hunt-for-kids-during-covid19-lockdown
I guess bear hunts are a thing here in the US as well. I heard about rainbow hunts last week and my neighbor's 10 year old drew me a rainbow that I've put in my window.
https://www.today.com/parents/entertaining-kids-rainbows-bear-hunts-amid-coronavirus-t176726
Our little city is doing chalk drawings on the sidewalks. Some of them are very elaborate and fun to look at while out walking 😊
My SIL told me she was taking my nephews to write cheerful stuff in chalk on people's driveways. My brother thinks it's ridiculous! You can guess which is a pre-K teacher!
They keep telling us to go for walks....but all these kids are blocking the sidewalks writing a bunch of crap with chalk. I'M WALKING HERE PEOPLE!
Love, Your Neighborhood Curmudgeon
Kids wrote stuff on the sidewalk in my neighborhood, including "BREATHE, the Universe is taking care of everything else," which google tells me is some commonplace inspiration saying with lots of Pinterest hits, but given the nature of this virus and what it does when someone has a severe case, seems like a VERY poor choice.7 -
No writing on sidewalks here... too much snow and getting more tomorrow6
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singingflutelady wrote: »No writing on sidewalks here... too much snow and getting more tomorrow
We're in the middle of a thunderstorm so all the chalk drawings will be gone when it clears up. 😔
Our little city population 60,000 just had to close all the parks, picnic areas and playgrounds because people just couldn't not gather in groups (and not just teens). I don't get it, I really don't. Most people have to risk crowds while shopping as it is, why take extra unnecessary chances? Especially with children. I've seen a couple of families with kids playing on playground equipment and I just wanted to stop and shake them!
We've had no cases that we know of yet. If it takes hold here it will be brutal. We have two local hospitals and a disproportionate number of over 55's and seniors, and while most people seem to be following guidelines and keeping their distance it doesn't take more than a few to start the flood. 😔8 -
799 cases and 13 deaths in Los Angeles County. No idea what fraction of the population was even tested.
ETA: 812 cases4 -
Our little city population 60,000 just had to close all the parks, picnic areas and playgrounds because people just couldn't not gather in groups (and not just teens). I don't get it, I really don't. Most people have to risk crowds while shopping as it is, why take extra unnecessary chances? Especially with children. I've seen a couple of families with kids playing on playground equipment and I just wanted to stop and shake them!
It might get to that point here. https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/03/25/parks-lakefront-could-be-closed-and-people-arrested-if-they-dont-start-staying-at-home-officials-warn/
"People could get fined up to $500 if they don't stop crowding each other at parks and beaches or if they don't practice social distancing."
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“For the most part, Chicagoans have been doing well at maintaining social distancing. But we are concerned with what we’ve seen in recent days — both indoors and outdoors,” [Mayor] Lightfoot said. “I’ve personally been concerned about what I’ve seen in our parks: people playing basketball. And what I’ve seen along our lakefront: way too many people gathering like it’s just another day.
“This is not another day.”
Lightfoot said that even while on her way to the press conference, she saw people congregating on the lakefront trail and at beaches.
Continuing to gather in crowds is against state law under the stay at home order, Lightfoot said, and it will lead to further spread of the coronavirus and more deaths.
It’s still OK to leave home to go on walks or to get essentials, like groceries. But walks should be short and kept near the home, Lightfoot said, and people should avoid long bike rides and runs along the lakefront. She also said playgrounds are shut down and people should not play on them."4 -
IL new numbers in: 1865 positives and 19 deaths (3 more since yesterday). 14,209 tested. Chicago (city only) has 915, and 5 deaths, so no more deaths here since yesterday.
Note re the issue of lots of people being out, it was close to 60 and sunny today, probably the nicest day of 2020 so far, and was quite nice yesterday too. For once we might be better off with worse weather.4 -
Interesting piece on map showing how much different areas are social distancing based on GPS maps.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-chicago-social-distancing-score-20200325-c5aeioufznd3vodcm3a3jkxpfu-story.html
"Both Cook County and the state of Illinois have high marks as of Tuesday on the “Social Distancing Scoreboard,” an interactive project based on GPS location data collected by the company Unacast that roughly measures whether or not people are heeding the advice of officials to “flatten the curve” of the spread of the coronavirus.
The scores were determined by the change in average distance traveled compared with before the coronavirus outbreak. If residents are staying put aside from the occasional trip to the grocery store or pharmacy, the dip in travel would be apparent in the data.
A more than 40% decrease leads to an A, with grades dropping from there. Anything less than a 10% decrease — or an increase — ends in an F...."
Illinois had a 40% decrease by March 21, according to Unacast’s board. Cook County saw a 44% decrease.
[Arwady, director of the IL dept of public health] noted that it’s safe for people to be out for walks and she encourages exercise with proper precautions but worries about crowds of people doing that at the same time. The city will be taking steps to limit crowds, Arwady said.
“When the lakefront is looking like the middle of summer and everyone’s wanting to go there, we are not social distancing effectively," she said. "We’re going to be doing some more patrolling there, some more trying to help folks stay away.”
Arwady said that Chicago is on a “big, steep, upward trajectory” in the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases, and the city is hoping to slow that rise. “We’ll put in additional orders if we need to,” she said, referring to the city’s stay home order.
“I’m glad we’re in better shape than the rest of the country, but it is not enough,” Arwady said, noting the 40% decline in city travel. The goal, she said, is to get to a 75% reduction to flatten the curve enough to prevent city hospitals from being overwhelmed.
“I need Chicago at an A+. Maybe an A++,” Arwady said."3 -
I don't know if this has been posted already.
Prince Charles tests positive, displays 'mild symptoms'
Britain's Prince Charles, heir to the throne, has tested positive for the coronavirus, his official royal residence said in a statement. The statement said Prince Charles, 71, has "been displaying mild symptoms but otherwise remains in good health." His wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, does not have the virus, a test showed.
Prince Charles' coronavirus diagnosis:It's a huge deal for Brits, the monarchy. Here's why.
Britain's Queen Elizabeth has canceled a number of diary events "as a sensible precaution" amid the outbreak, but as late as last week she was still holding "audiences" with members of the public. Britain's monarch is 93.
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I don't know if this has been posted already.
Prince Charles tests positive, displays 'mild symptoms'
Britain's Prince Charles, heir to the throne, has tested positive for the coronavirus, his official royal residence said in a statement. The statement said Prince Charles, 71, has "been displaying mild symptoms but otherwise remains in good health." His wife, the Duchess of Cornwall, does not have the virus, a test showed.
Prince Charles' coronavirus diagnosis:It's a huge deal for Brits, the monarchy. Here's why.
Britain's Queen Elizabeth has canceled a number of diary events "as a sensible precaution" amid the outbreak, but as late as last week she was still holding "audiences" with members of the public. Britain's monarch is 93.
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The Queen is just as stubborn as my 94-year-old mother!4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Just got my emergency alert, in case I'd somehow missed that we are going on lockdown. The alert sound on my phone was suitably obnoxious and attention grabbing...
Australia got a text alert yesterday too. Our PM held a press conference the evening before, imposing a new level of restrictions (none surprising - weddings, funerals, boot camps, beauty services etc). For some reason, they imposed a restriction of hairdressing appointments to be 30 minutes long but cut all other health and beauty services completely. THEN, by the typical mixed messaging we are used to here, that decision was reversed this morning and all hair services can operate. It's ridiculous.
The text message we received finished with 'and stay home if you're sick', contrary to all directives to 'stay home if possible' given prior.
*kitten* show...4 -
On a better note - my seeds came in today, and with the weather prediction being nice and sunny tomorrow, I'm going to get to play in the dirt getting my seed starting stuff all out - I might even go ahead and plant my peas while I'm at it. Something nice and soothing to help calm the nerves
I got a walk in this evening. Its a very small town, so I'm walking the streets and along the main road through town. I only passed one other person in the entire hour I was walking, and we were easily 10 feet apart when we passed. Very few people in this town go outside for any sort of activity, so I don't fear any warnings coming from the town about outdoor activities.
And though our state is supposed to be in a shelter in place lock down, traffic on the main road was pretty steady and really about normal. My sister works for Krogers and said they were busy. The list of what is considered essential in WV is long and pretty much the only places that had to close were beauty shops, sit-down restaurants with no carry out options, and bars and theaters. The local retail shops, pharmacies, and grocery stores are still open, and as long as those places are open, especially Walmart, people are going to go out and about business as usual. In my area, its probably going to take a positive case of the virus in town or hitting someone we all know before most people take it seriously, I'm afraid.5 -
smithker75 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Just got my emergency alert, in case I'd somehow missed that we are going on lockdown. The alert sound on my phone was suitably obnoxious and attention grabbing...
Australia got a text alert yesterday too. Our PM held a press conference the evening before, imposing a new level of restrictions (none surprising - weddings, funerals, boot camps, beauty services etc). For some reason, they imposed a restriction of hairdressing appointments to be 30 minutes long but cut all other health and beauty services completely. THEN, by the typical mixed messaging we are used to here, that decision was reversed this morning and all hair services can operate. It's ridiculous.
The text message we received finished with 'and stay home if you're sick', contrary to all directives to 'stay home if possible' given prior.
*kitten* show...
*sigh*
And no, you can't have Cindy.4 -
@Nony_Mouse haha. Beat me to it. I just watched her FB live...amazing.
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This is the updated compilation of Italian Mayors losing it at people violating #Covid19 quarantine.
"I stopped him and said, 'Look, this isn't a movie. You are not Will Smith in "I Am Legend." Go home."15 -
Here on the ground in Riverside County in So Cal we have the National Guard helping at the food banks and a new Federal medical facility going up somewhere in the county but I'm not really sure where that will be. We have one drive-thru testing facility at the stadium in Lake Elsinore but our testing ability is still very limited as far as I know. In the entire state of CA I've read we've only tested as of yesterday about 26,000 people. Not sure how valid that is
but it's difficult to get exact numbers.
Hubby and I are home and going out once a week for groceries or prescriptions for him and there are quite a few stores here opening early for seniors.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/17/coronavirus-shopping-stores-introduce-time-for-vulnerable-elderly-pregnant/5074064002/
We have a small wholesale sporting goods business and we've work from home since 2006 and have a big warehouse in our backyard and share an office in one of the bedrooms. We've had no calls or orders in 1 1/2 weeks but we have a rainy day fund and will be able to pay our bills. Not sure if all of our customers will be able to pay us until they get back up and running, if they do. We don't have employees anymore so I'm actually grateful for that.
On the health front, my daughter in San Francisco is finally better. Her doc thinks she had COVID-19 even though the first test came back negative. She wanted her to be tested again but was denied the second test. We would like to know if she had it though in case she now has immunity so hopefully when there are more tests available that will be possible.
Our son in CO is considered an essential employee and CO just ordered a stay at home declaration tonight so he'll still be working. He's not very busy and depends on commissions so we'll see how that goes.
Our daughter in CO is working at home with her husband and their 28 month old son but are in the process of having 2/3 of their house completely gutted and remodeled. If they'd know this was coming they never would have started. She's overwhelmed and normally I would go there to help but they're living out of 2 bedrooms, 1 bathroom and a basement which also includes their office. Our grandson has been running a fever since Monday and has a cough so they're not sure what's going on with that. She'd like to have him tested but isn't sure that will happen.
I'm pretty stressed worrying about the kids but I'm not allowed to leave the house to help which is really what's killing me.
On a personal note my hip replacement has been delayed indefinitely. I would never want to take the resources away from someone who needs them more.
Hoping this passes sooner rather than later but I seriously doubt Easter weekend will be the turning point, at least not here or in many other states. We have a niece and great nephew in NY and are praying for them every day, as well as everyone around the world.16 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »And though our state is supposed to be in a shelter in place lock down, traffic on the main road was pretty steady and really about normal. My sister works for Krogers and said they were busy. The list of what is considered essential in WV is long and pretty much the only places that had to close were beauty shops, sit-down restaurants with no carry out options, and bars and theaters. The local retail shops, pharmacies, and grocery stores are still open, and as long as those places are open, especially Walmart, people are going to go out and about business as usual. In my area, its probably going to take a positive case of the virus in town or hitting someone we all know before most people take it seriously, I'm afraid.2
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Most of our stores are closed (and those open are often operating by curbside as much as possible) with the exception of stuff like grocery, pet supplies, pharmacy, liquor. Banks here have very reduced personnel (as nearly all bank functions don't have to be in person). Restaurants are delivery only.
I walked around my immediate neighborhood today (not in the direction of any grocery store) and everything I saw was closed but for a gas station. Many businesses that are operating (like construction, apparently, as I saw various ongoing projects) don't have storefronts. I'm technically essential, but even essential is supposed to WFH if possible and we are (with one person going into the empty office once a week). But businesses that need to be open to survive are lobbying to be declared essential -- I got an email from a pet grooming place (which I have never used, I have cats and they would be horrified) that claimed pet grooming had been declared essential in NY and they they were still trying to change IL's mind, and a landscaper/yard care place I used one emailed relieved that they had been declared essential.1 -
I can see that pet grooming is sort of essential - not the fancy stuff but basic cutting of dogs with fur that needs cutting.
Also landscaping - if we want people to stay home and do home things we would be contradicting that if garden shops were closed.
As well as basic repairs of hoses, fences etc. and basic equipment like weeding implements, buckets, etc.3
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