Coronavirus prep
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I had a boyfriend with some sort of defiance disorder.
I can tell you that no matter how nice A N Y O N E was to him about anything he was going to do the opposite.
There are a lot of people out there like that.
I try not to get into confrontations about this with people because it could get ugly fast. People are really touchy and on edge.
The less talking to strangers, the better right now. This whole thing is an extremely polarizing subject.
This thread has been mostly polite. There were a few posts removed over the course of it when this thread got too heated. Let's not go there. @kushiel1, we are adults. We know this.18 -
So because asking nicely didn't work (whether it was nicely is debatable) it's ok now to be rude?
It was always ok to be rude. That's one of the great things about America! If I don't like what you are doing, I can be as brash as I want in how I tell you.Not to mention in America at least I don't think that type of law CAN be passed...though businesses are allowed to require one to enter.
That might be something for courts to decide, but I don't know of a single reason why such laws would be considered unconstitutional. It's no different than requiring people to wear something over our genitals in public.But with how rude some people are, especially on social media these days people who might have complied are deciding its not worth it. In general people don't like to be told what to do and when insulted about it will dig in their heels.
If you want people to comply it will go better if you are nice.
That was your original point, which I pointed out has proven to be untrue already.10 -
One of the funniest things (and pathetic things as well). My daughter's company (and I won't say who they are) is based out on the East Coast and has an office in Austin -- only two offices in the US. They are letting those in TX that are "offended" by being asked to wear a mask to stay home and work.
As someone that's worked with HR for nearly 30 years at high-levels, I assured my daughter there will be a "special file" created for these morons.14 -
I don't see anyone here being unkind. (On other forums, sure.) Unless remarking that gathering in large dense groups (as with those packing bars in WI recently) are being unwise and prolonging this for the rest of us = unkind.
I've seen multiple posts where people are calling other people stupid, ignorant, and other not very kind names. I will admit it happens even more on social media but it's certainly happening here as well where posters insult those who aren't abiding by their idea of what we should all be doing. A little kindness goes a long way.
Gosh, if you are talking about other posters, seems unlikely in that that would be a violation of the rules. Maybe you are talking about people not here, thinks said elsewhere, or reading into stuff.7 -
There has been annoying discussion on my NextDoor (as I've noted before) about wearing masks in stores and crowded areas only vs. wearing them whenever outdoors. Some are (IMO) over the top and insist one cannot reliably social distance outdoors (I disagree), and some have (reasonably, IMO) complained about how some refuse to cooperate with social distancing (i.e., blocking sidewalks standing there having a conversation not wearing a mask, meeting in large groups). Reasonable people have suggested that the shaming of anyone outdoors not wearing a mask is not really helpful in achieving the goal of social distancing and masks in stores. While public shaming works for me (I think I can social distance outdoors but am wearing a mask anywhere others are around at all), I do agree it's not the best tactic in general.
But the complaints here -- and the "are they idiots" stuff here aren't directed against posters or people reading in general, but those who are doing things like packing bars without masks or having huge (advertised) house parties. So claiming that condemning that = calling posters stupid seems to be at best a huge misunderstanding.9 -
I guess it is all in how you read it /shrug. Do I think that one poster is calling another stupid specifically? No. But there is a TON of generalization and I don't think that is helpful in terms of getting people to do what "you" (not anyone specific) want.
This pandemic has brought out the worst in people on both sides and this has turned astoundingly political here in the US. Lots of negativity out there.9 -
I guess it is all in how you read it /shrug. Do I think that one poster is calling another stupid specifically? No. But there is a TON of generalization and I don't think that is helpful in terms of getting people to do what "you" (not anyone specific) want.
This pandemic has brought out the worst in people on both sides and this has turned astoundingly political here in the US. Lots of negativity out there.
It has.
Just like abortion, gun control, immigration, racism.
I am surprised you say you've read the 5,000+ posts in this thread though - and say it's been that way.
This forum (myfitnesspal/ General discussion area) is very heavily moderated. It won't go too far off the rails. If you think it has, report the post using the "Flag" and then state your case to the moderators. I haven't seen name-calling in this thread, just frustration over people being people.18 -
I've been reading this post for awhile now and a few things occurred to me. Regardless of people's politics or whatever, something I've noticed both here and on social media in general is that anyone who doesn't do what the vocal people (for me both sides of this have valid points) are insulted, called ignorant, stupid, called out personally and generally. It seems to me that the side that wants people to continue to shelter in place, wear masks, social distance long past when the other half no longer wants to that NOT insulting those people would be a good way to start. The more people are insulted or harassed the more they are going to want to do what they want anyway. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar after all.
The point of the lockdown was to slow the spread, there is no way to stop it altogether unless/until there's a vaccine which isn't likely any time soon. Nicely encouraging people to social distance or wear a mask instead of calling them out or insulting them is likely to work much better...and the same is true in reverse. It seems to me that a large number of people forget that kindness goes a long way - on both sides.
Good points @kushiel1 . I think there were more than a few that thought the lock down was going to keep them from getting COVID-19. From the get go the medical community said the virus would effect most everyone in the world. As you stated the lock down was to protect the healthcare system from being overloaded like it was in NYC.
When the two hospital ships left from NYC and CA it was clear that the lock down had worked and as we read the masses got the message and headed to the beaches of the USA. On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.
During the lock down one area hospital turned the one floor into a negative pressure area for COVID-19 patients which helps to protect the patients and staff so a lot of prep got done and now they are ready for more COVID-19 cases but so far they are not materializing as expected so they are back to doing surgeries and routine medical care so the hospital is forced to close due to the huge negative COVID-19 cash flow.4 -
So because asking nicely didn't work (whether it was nicely is debatable) it's ok now to be rude?
Not to mention in America at least I don't think that type of law CAN be passed...though businesses are allowed to require one to enter. But with how rude some people are, especially on social media these days people who might have complied are deciding its not worth it. In general people don't like to be told what to do and when insulted about it will dig in their heels.
If you want people to comply it will go better if you are nice.
Yeah, the thing is, by the time someone has decided to try to kill me, it’s past the point where me being nice about it is going to fix the problem. No one says someone should say to a carjacker, “Please would you not point that gun at my head? We would get along better if you tried to see my side of the story!”
Deliberately filling someone else’s air with deadly virus, when you know you have another option and have refused to take it, is nothing short of attempted murder. It’s not cool to try to kill other people. There are laws against it for a reason. Remember that bus driver who complained that a passenger coughed directly on him? Yeah he’s dead now. His being polite to her at the time, and outraged after the fact, did nothing to save his life.17 -
https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/covid-19-dr-zhong-nanshan-is-in/
Did anyone catch this doctor talking about covid19 a few minutes ago. Not only is he brilliant and smart, at age 84, his fitness level is inspiring. I'll have whatever he's having. Muscle mass is not overrated. I wonder what kind of food protocol he's doing. Can't find much more about him on the innertube. I can see why he bolsters confidence with his health regimen.3 -
@MikePfirrman There's no whining out here.
It takes true grit or you won't last. Today, a new outbreak was reported in one of our small nursing homes with 5 staff and 5 residents testing positive, more pending. It scares the folkaronies so I'll stay on as I'm needed, wanted and buttered UP.
There's been a string of burglaries, new trucks stolen and some deranged person is shooting jack rabbits with blowgun darts. They're not dying but running with their horrid wounds. Need to catch this perp before they move onto larger game and turn into another J.Dalmer.12 -
I guess it is all in how you read it /shrug. Do I think that one poster is calling another stupid specifically? No. But there is a TON of generalization and I don't think that is helpful in terms of getting people to do what "you" (not anyone specific) want.
This pandemic has brought out the worst in people on both sides and this has turned astoundingly political here in the US. Lots of negativity out there.
There are people in this country who won't do what is necessary specifically to bother those who realize it is necessary. It's pure ignorant nonsense and there's no point in being nice. These people aren't going to be responsible if we treat them better and the bellyaching about how responsible people aren't being "nice enough" is just another form of manipulative deceit.21 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.
When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again18 -
janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.
When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again
I thought I read some in China (and Singapore?) had also gotten re-infected. If it's possible to get infected more than once, then isn't it also possible to be an asymptomatic carrier more than once?8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.
When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again
I thought I read some in China (and Singapore?) had also gotten re-infected. If it's possible to get infected more than once, then isn't it also possible to be an asymptomatic carrier more than once?
I would think so, it's just another thing we don't know yet. I don't think we can be flippant about everyone who has been previously exposed being able to check this off and not worry about it again.7 -
ITA there is so much about this virus that is NOt known YET- we seem to be learning new things everyday or two- now we find out even our children are at risk and some are getting some covidlike illness- they are not sure but can be deadly to some.... I just don't understand others(not on this site) but others "shaming others' condemning folks for TRYING to follow CDC and scientific guidelines UNTIl we know more!9
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Just have to show you who keeps trying to come for dinner at our house.
There are no food sources outside but they might have to haul them further off into the backcountry. Thanks to everyone for keeping each other company over these difficult three months.
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Getting my COVID test this week...
ETA: hopefully I get the mouth swab and not the stick up the nose. I'm volunteering as part of the pilot program for substantially increased testing and contact tracing in NM. We are testing anyone who wants a test regardless of whether they have known contact or have symptoms or not. The governor has urged all state employees and other public employees, including first responders to get tested as well as employees who have been deemed essential over the past couple of months and who have been working outside of their homes.13 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »On the positive side there the millions that have developed antibodies that should help to keep the post lock down spike less than the initial spike.
When has it been established that we can't be infected twice? This is still a subject of active research: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again
I thought I read some in China (and Singapore?) had also gotten re-infected. If it's possible to get infected more than once, then isn't it also possible to be an asymptomatic carrier more than once?
I suspect it's difficult to tell at this point whether it's re-infection with a new viral load from a new source, vs. something bizarre about this virus - which has some very strange behaviors, for sure, like what's happening to small numbers of very young children; plus we have a context where certain COVID tests are known, in certain conditions, to produce false negatives.
I think that last is especially hard to put into perspective with the reported Chinese re-infections, because IMO it's pretty murky from a distant part of the world to see what those exact circumstances were. The sailors from the USS Roosevelt who've tested positive again, after (in some cases) multiple negative tests, will - I hope - result in some transparent analysis of the circumstances that scientists can learn useful things from.7 -
I just found out that some police and sheriffs here in TN are being given names and addresses of everyone who has tested positive. Health privacy apparently doesn't matter here: https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/may/08/state-health-department-gives-names-addresses/522572/5
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