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  • pancakerunnerpancakerunner Member Posts: 6,044 Member Member Posts: 6,044 Member
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    Everything in moderation lol........ my moderation is not your moderation and no two moderations are the same.

    Curious if you would disagree with this: "if it's not consistent with a calorie appropriate and overall healthy diet with sufficient nutrients, then it's not moderation unless we are talking a rare occasion."

    I would disagree. This is not moderation. This is back to the only thing that works, calories counting.
    Some people have a smear of peanut butter on their toast and feel satisfied. They are moderating their calories intake by that. I cant do that. Thats why no two moderations are the same.

    I agree that calorie counting is what works for WEIGHT LOSS. But optimal health goes so much further. This is where the idea of "everything in moderation" needs to be thrown out... for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up.

    You mean like Halo Top (as per your other thread) :D

    LOL

    And really, pancakerunner, this is kind of the source of my reaction. You go on and on about super processed kids foods (IMO) that I didn't even like as a kid and then lecture everyone on "processed foods" generally, as if they weren't totally varied and as if overall diet wasn't what mattered.

    I do agree to some extend about processed seed oils and omega 6 to 3 balance (omega 3s are a big thing for me and the only oils I use are olive, avocado, and coconut -- all processed, as is butter). When I log it's at Cron to see nutrients, and I especially care about fiber (which I get only from natural sources), potassium, and omega 3, but like to hit all my nutrients when logging.

    So no, I don't think occasional processed foods inherently have some bad effect on health. I think most should focus on eating more veg and the like more than what they don't eat. If you are eating tons of pop tarts or a pint of Halo Top or what not a day, I'd say that's not really moderation (although the Halo Top is low cal, of course).

    Claiming one must eat 100% clean (and not treats in moderation, whatever "treats" means to you, to me it definitely includes good cheese) to be healthy is not supported by anything credible and likely makes things harder for many (unnecessarily so).

    Again, I'm no saint. Just sharing some science and an opinion :)
  • pancakerunnerpancakerunner Member Posts: 6,044 Member Member Posts: 6,044 Member
    sardelsa wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    sardelsa wrote: »
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    just_Tomek wrote: »
    Everything in moderation lol........ my moderation is not your moderation and no two moderations are the same.

    Curious if you would disagree with this: "if it's not consistent with a calorie appropriate and overall healthy diet with sufficient nutrients, then it's not moderation unless we are talking a rare occasion."

    I would disagree. This is not moderation. This is back to the only thing that works, calories counting.
    Some people have a smear of peanut butter on their toast and feel satisfied. They are moderating their calories intake by that. I cant do that. Thats why no two moderations are the same.

    I agree that calorie counting is what works for WEIGHT LOSS. But optimal health goes so much further. This is where the idea of "everything in moderation" needs to be thrown out... for optimal health, even just a bit of processed foods will add up.

    You mean like Halo Top (as per your other thread) :D

    LOL

    And really, pancakerunner, this is kind of the source of my reaction. You go on and on about super processed kids foods (IMO) that I didn't even like as a kid and then lecture everyone on "processed foods" generally, as if they weren't totally varied and as if overall diet wasn't what mattered.

    I do agree to some extend about processed seed oils and omega 6 to 3 balance (omega 3s are a big thing for me and the only oils I use are olive, avocado, and coconut -- all processed, as is butter). When I log it's at Cron to see nutrients, and I especially care about fiber (which I get only from natural sources), potassium, and omega 3, but like to hit all my nutrients when logging.

    So no, I don't think occasional processed foods inherently have some bad effect on health. I think most should focus on eating more veg and the like more than what they don't eat. If you are eating tons of pop tarts or a pint of Halo Top or what not a day, I'd say that's not really moderation (although the Halo Top is low cal, of course).

    I'm just really confused because of the disconnect. I don't go claiming that meat is bad and shouldn't be consumed in any amount for optimal health with sources, then start another thread called "show me your favourite grilled meats!" I am not sure what is going on there @pancakerunner maybe you could explain? Why do you say one thing then act in the opposite direction? Just curious.

    I am simply sharing an opinion and some science that supports it. I do not claim to live or eat this way. But there is credible, and quite extensive, research to back it. Also, I'm not preaching everyone should live this way and am not discrediting others opinions or ways of life.
  • SuzySunshine99SuzySunshine99 Member Posts: 2,199 Member Member Posts: 2,199 Member
    Slacker16 wrote: »
    Going back to unpopular opinions, sweet + salty weirds me out.

    I guess I like cheesecake, but that's the only exception...

    WHA? No salted caramel? No chocolate-covered pretzels?
  • LinkedEmpireLinkedEmpire Member Posts: 37 Member Member Posts: 37 Member
    Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.
  • VegjoyPVegjoyP Member Posts: 1,565 Member Member Posts: 1,565 Member
    Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.

    Do you mean mixing? I do not like bansna in anything, only eaten alone.
    Peanut butter on the other hand.......
  • PAPYRUS3PAPYRUS3 Member Posts: 9,421 Member Member Posts: 9,421 Member
    VegjoyP wrote: »
    Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.

    Do you mean mixing? I do not like bansna in anything, only eaten alone.
    Peanut butter on the other hand.......
    VegjoyP wrote: »
    Oatmeal and bananas. If I had no teeth and lost my senses, it'd make sense.

    Do you mean mixing? I do not like bansna in anything, only eaten alone.
    Peanut butter on the other hand.......

    I'm pretty much the opposite - I wouldn't just consume a banana by itself - ick to me... It has to be either be a pb on toast w/ sliced banana or on oatmeal/banana cake, etc.,
    edited June 2020
  • rosegreen12rosegreen12 Member Posts: 35 Member Member Posts: 35 Member
    Carbs (along with calories) make a difference, at least for some people.
  • dawkson2017dawkson2017 Member Posts: 18 Member Member Posts: 18 Member
    I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!
  • VegjoyPVegjoyP Member Posts: 1,565 Member Member Posts: 1,565 Member
    Carbs (along with calories) make a difference, at least for some people.

    I agree from MY experience, period. When I was younger it was different. Now at 47 my body does not do as well with high carb at all. A moderately lower carb, higher in both protein and/ or fat.
  • pancakerunnerpancakerunner Member Posts: 6,044 Member Member Posts: 6,044 Member
    I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!

    Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.
  • pancakerunnerpancakerunner Member Posts: 6,044 Member Member Posts: 6,044 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!

    Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.

    Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well. ;)

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    Lychee/rambutan and papaya are my favorite tropical fruits.
  • AnnPT77AnnPT77 Member, Premium Posts: 19,852 Member Member, Premium Posts: 19,852 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!

    Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.

    Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well. ;)

    aquncw36jswy.jpg

    Lychee/rambutan and papaya are my favorite tropical fruits.

    Yeah, fresh lychee, rambutan are good - also the somewhat similar longan. Rambutan is more fun when whole, though.

    I'm quite fond of mamey sapote, too, but it's unusual to see them here that are nicely ripe but not rotting.

    Guavas are also nice. Some types remind me a little of the Northern wild mayapple fruits, both in appearance and some of the flavor elements.
  • pancakerunnerpancakerunner Member Posts: 6,044 Member Member Posts: 6,044 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    I hate mangoes! And passionfruit, and pawpaw!

    Same! And dragon fruit. Passion fruit is the absolute worst.

    Truly amazing to look at and smell, though: Blooms as big as your hand, and fragrant. (Yes, these were at my house.) Total digression on a food thread. Oh, well. ;)

    aquncw36jswy.jpg

    Lychee/rambutan and papaya are my favorite tropical fruits.

    Yeah, fresh lychee, rambutan are good - also the somewhat similar longan. Rambutan is more fun when whole, though.

    I'm quite fond of mamey sapote, too, but it's unusual to see them here that are nicely ripe but not rotting.

    Guavas are also nice. Some types remind me a little of the Northern wild mayapple fruits, both in appearance and some of the flavor elements.

    I also like permissions... depending on how prepared. Guava is good too! Another one I HATE though is the horned cucumber. awful.
  • Shropshire1959Shropshire1959 Member Posts: 982 Member Member Posts: 982 Member
    Palm oil is poison.
  • Slacker16Slacker16 Member Posts: 1,163 Member Member Posts: 1,163 Member
    Slacker16 wrote: »
    Going back to unpopular opinions, sweet + salty weirds me out.

    I guess I like cheesecake, but that's the only exception...

    WHA? No salted caramel? No chocolate-covered pretzels?

    Definitely not and no, respectively. I like my sweets sweet and my savories savory ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • pancakerunnerpancakerunner Member Posts: 6,044 Member Member Posts: 6,044 Member
    Palm oil is poison.

    And how is this?
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