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Is promoting weight loss dangerous?

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  • LukesGreenMilkLukesGreenMilk Member Posts: 54 Member Member Posts: 54 Member
    I'm no expert, but I believe some of the statements would be true if caloric intake would be drastically cut. I believe no one should ever eat less than 1500 calories even if it means weighing a little bit more. Some people tend to cut down too much, and I can see where that would do something to you mentally. I'm sure this statement won't be popular, but you can be fat and healthy. Genetics determine your weight more than anything else. This is a proven fact. That being said, I think it would be dangerous if you were extremely obese 300+ lbs or so. Just a 500 calorie a day reduction can make a big difference in your weight over time. This isn't drastic and I think anyone could live with that.

    Genetics determine nothing, ever. That probably sounds excessively absolute, but it is true. All genes are dependent on environment for expression - I don't care what your genes say, if you're stepping in lava, your weight is going to 0 pretty fast, just to use the most extreme example.
    Somewhat more realistic, if you somehow had some incredible kind of mitochondria with DNA that allowed them to produce 200 ATP per molecule of glucose (probably not chemically possible, but still), it wouldn't matter much if you lived in tundra with less than 1% of your calorie intake being carbohydrate.
    We don't tend to see any obese and or even overweight BMI's in people living in pre-agricultural lifestyles - it seems most calories in that environment are too hard and unappetizing to be worth pursuing. In the modern environment, there's probably are a variety of genes that influence appetite and preference that trend towards various levels of weight. Such people can still be actively managed by altering the environments one spends a lot of time in. It generally takes something pretty severe like defects of leptin production or something like Prater-Willy to be what could be fairly called a genetic reason for being obese.
    Very wise of you to say that genes are dependent on environment for expression. Most people will go through life never understanding what that statement means or its implications.

  • stevehenderson776stevehenderson776 Member Posts: 207 Member Member Posts: 207 Member
    you can be fat and healthy
    In the same way that you can smoke and be healthy, or share needles and be healthy. They're major risk factors though which will lead to all manner of debilitating conditions and diseases. So while it's true you can be fat and (relatively) healthy, you're not very likely to remain that way. The piper always gets paid.
  • spyro88spyro88 Member Posts: 388 Member Member Posts: 388 Member
    I'm no expert, but I believe some of the statements would be true if caloric intake would be drastically cut. I believe no one should ever eat less than 1500 calories even if it means weighing a little bit more. Some people tend to cut down too much, and I can see where that would do something to you mentally. I'm sure this statement won't be popular, but you can be fat and healthy. Genetics determine your weight more than anything else. This is a proven fact. That being said, I think it would be dangerous if you were extremely obese 300+ lbs or so. Just a 500 calorie a day reduction can make a big difference in your weight over time. This isn't drastic and I think anyone could live with that.
    What is your source for this?

    Growing up, my entire family was slim. I was a very skinny kid and a slim adult.

    So, if genetics played a big role, I would expect to have a difficult time gaining weight. Yet in my late 50's, I had no trouble whatsoever blossoming myself right into the obese category. It was ridiculously easy. Too many calories, not enough activity. :D

    Tl;dr: Genetics aren't a factor. How many calories you shove in your pie hole daily absolutely is. ;)

    However, genetics can contribute to how many calories you shove in your pie hole.

    https://www.cdc.gov/genomics/resources/diseases/obesity/index.htm
    edited August 11
  • MaesneuaddMaesneuadd Member, Premium Posts: 33 Member Member, Premium Posts: 33 Member
    Consider this:

    -People can die from obesity related causes.

    Consider this:

    -The younger generation today will have shorter lives than their parents (on average) because of obesity related illness.

    This has already started in teh US and UK. For the first time the life expectancy of the younger groups has fallen by 2 years or so
  • AliciaHollywoodAliciaHollywood Member, Premium Posts: 97 Member Member, Premium Posts: 97 Member
    I know for me if I focus too much on losing weight, it can easily lead to a temporary eating disorder. BUT if I focus on health and nutrition and eating FOR health, it’s so much better. It also depends on someone’s original weight. If someone is dangerously overweight then weight loss is absolutely necessary. But losing those extra vanity pounds can lead down a slippery slope unless you’re careful and focus on nutrition. I have gone through periods of (unnecessary) extreme calorie restriction but what I did eat was so nutritious I never had a problem. I’m lucky that as soon as I get to a weight/body I’m happy with, my “eating disorder” quickly ends. But I can see how when you become obsessed with every little calorie, measuring spinach leaves, it could turn into an eating disorder especially if prone to OCD.
  • zamphir66zamphir66 Member Posts: 574 Member Member Posts: 574 Member
    you can be fat and healthy
    In the same way that you can smoke and be healthy, or share needles and be healthy. They're major risk factors though which will lead to all manner of debilitating conditions and diseases. So while it's true you can be fat and (relatively) healthy, you're not very likely to remain that way. The piper always gets paid.

    One of my friends has a heart attack at 42, and it was just about completely out of the blue. His numbers were fine otherwise. His cardiologist told him that bloodwork numbers are often lagging indicators of something being wrong inside.
  • northviewvintagenorthviewvintage Member Posts: 1,547 Member Member Posts: 1,547 Member
    I hate it, but I don't see a balanced diet and exercise ever being promoted more than weight loss, here in the U.S., unless we get a ton more vegetable farmers. Weight loss sells. It's up to us to teach our kids to think for themselves and to understand how marketing works so that they aren't vulnerable to ads or swayed toward unhealthy behaviors.
    & yes, I read that, too, that it might be protective to be *slightly* overweight according to research done by insurance companies,and you know they want us to live as long as possible!:)
    Consider this:
    -The human body has evolved to favor weight gain in order to avoid starvation.
    -Calorie deprivation experiments have shown that even fairly small reductions in food intake can cause psychological distress, including hoarding behaviors.
    -Eating disorders are the deadliest of all mental illnesses due to high rates of suicide and permanent damage to internal organs.
    -Not eating enough stressed the body, which weakens the immune system and damages the cardiovascular system.
    -Almost no one who loses weight keeps it off long-term.
    -Being “overweight” after a certain age is protective against early death.

    In light of the above, is it actually responsible to promote weight loss? Or would it be more responsible to encourage people to eat a balanced diet and exercise without looking at the scale?

  • IronIsMyTherapyIronIsMyTherapy Member Posts: 463 Member Member Posts: 463 Member
    I'm kinda mindblown at the fact that someone could have that viewpoint. "Next up, the hidden benefits of smoking, stay tuned."
  • nooshi713nooshi713 Member Posts: 4,252 Member Member Posts: 4,252 Member
    We should be aggressively promoting weight loss as majority of our population is obese. Obesity is a direct cause of the majority of deaths in this country including heart attacks and strokes. Diabetes is more prevalent than ever due to obesity. Most diabetics are type 2, which is typically due to poor lifestyle. I’m not referring to type 1 diabetics who are typically thin.

    Due to diabetes and other factors we have more people on dialysis than ever before. That’s not a good quality of life. The amount of people suffering from anorexia is minuscule compared to the amount of people dying from obesity related illnesses. I’m not promoting being skinny and underweight. I’m promoting being a healthy weight.
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