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Face mask or no face mask?
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I wear a mask at all indoor places regardless of local requirements or mandates or the requirements of the business. If they don't like it, tough *kitten*. I never had any problems, but if I am asked to remove the mask or harassed about wearing it, I would leave and take my business someplace else.
I wear a mask outside too when I need to talk to a vendor or a neighbor, or when I see a lot of people moving around and safe distancing is not possible. I don't talk to anybody not wearing masks unless they are across the street. The only places where I don't wear a mask is in the car or at home.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
They don't do "nothing", they add a measure of protection considerably beyond nothing. Distancing is another protective measure. If someone sneezes or coughs in their cheap paper mask 7 feet away from me, the chance of virus transmission is much lower than an unobstructed cough or sneeze 2 feet away.18 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
While nonmedical masks confer some protection on the wearer, their main purpose is to protect others from virus that the the wearer is shedding. So, yes, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. THAT'S THE POINT.11 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.
No scientific knowledge, but I'd guess the biggest danger would be picking up fomites from surfaces and rubbing them into eyes.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.
No scientific knowledge, but I'd guess the biggest danger would be picking up fomites from surfaces and rubbing them into eyes.
Sure, but we can minimize that without goggles by limiting the surfaces we touch outside our home, reducing the number of times we touch our face/eyes, and regularly washing our hands. It isn't going to eliminate the possibility of getting ill, but we basically can't ever eliminate that possibility in life . . . we're simply managing risks as best we can.
My point is that there is no good evidence that we need to wear goggles in public or we might as well not bother to do anything at all.
I'm pretty sure (well, I hope) that @cgvet37 wouldn't argue that we shouldn't bother to ever wash our hands because we might still get sick anyway. The same principle applies to masks.2 -
I always wear one when I leave the house except at the beach (I go to out of the way empty beaches.) They have outdoor dining now (all indoor dining was reclosed) and I use a face shield while eating. Restaurants do keep the tables 6 feet apart but I am a bit paranoid because other diners are not wearing anything. The waiters are wearing masks at least. I keep hand sanitizer at the table. Some restaurants put hand sanitizer on the table like a condiment lol!2
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It really is a difficult question. The effects of masks is quite small and mainly to protect others from any infection the wearer may have. While I wear one when out shopping or in public buildings I sometimes worry if it has a negative effect on my own risk. I worry that any sense of security teh wearing gives will make me more likely to go out and shop and socialise. While that will benefit the economy it will, to a degree, increase my own risk.0
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Watched many coming out of stores after touching dirty carts, surfaces, ect - can't wait to get mask off and watch them rub their mouth and nose.
It's the whole mix of knowledge on how you transfer things to yourself, and to others, that is lacking.
Flu season annually appears to have accomplished nothing for being prepared for the vast masses - no wonder the flu kills so many every season.
I'm sure part of that is coming on in to work/school/other while actively sick and others get it, and C-19 being spread by those with no idea they are sick.
I don't wear mask working out on rides/runs.
My long bike rides are only as long as my 2 bottles of water will take me since I'm not going in anywhere for refill, because I don't bring mask or hand cleaner.
Runs are easy for the rare person on the sidewalk, I can easily move to street.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.
This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.
I think the eyes actually are a risk for contagion - that's what I'd read & heard previously, I think something about mucous membranes allowing an entry point? (I'm vague on that part.)
For example, the CDC chart linked below says "You may also be able to get it by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it, and then by touching your mouth, nose, or eyes".
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/2019-ncov-factsheet.pdf
There are other rather sober-sided mainstream sources saying similar things.
This next is totally speculative, but possibly someone could sneeze into your eyes or something, and presumably face shields could provide some protection (who knows, maybe glasses do, too, by limiting direction from which droplets could enter?).
But I think going down that conceptual road is playing into the idea that if I spread-limiting measure doesn't do *everything*, it doesn't have any value, which IMO is a pretty dumb way to look at it. I'm not going to stop locking my house because burglars could still get in by breaking a window, y'know?5 -
And this is one of the reasons why will be fighting this pandemic in the USA for a very long time in the absence of a federal mandate. Shameful actions from somebody that it is suppose to "protect." I hope that he gets ousted or not re-elected.
Florida sheriff forbids employees, visitors to wear masks: If they do, 'they will be asked to leave'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/08/12/florida-sheriff-forbids-deputies-wearing-face-masks-amid-covid-19/3352799001/5 -
@Gisel2015 Think Ron White here.
I had the right to remain silent but I didn't have the ability.
You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever.
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Maesneuadd wrote: »It really is a difficult question. The effects of masks is quite small and mainly to protect others from any infection the wearer may have. While I wear one when out shopping or in public buildings I sometimes worry if it has a negative effect on my own risk. I worry that any sense of security teh wearing gives will make me more likely to go out and shop and socialise. While that will benefit the economy it will, to a degree, increase my own risk.
Your common sense should overwrite the need to socialize. If it protects other people around you, including and especially your family, is indirectly protecting you and the rest of the population by reducing the infection rate.5 -
I only wear it when I need to go into stores that require them. Aside from that I don't. Medical personnel dealing specifically with highly contagious viruses and bacteria wear hazmat suits, full o2 apparatus and face shields. The virus easily escaped a high level bio-lab. A piece of cloth isn't going to do anything to protect anyone.2
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BoxerBrawler wrote: »I only wear it when I need to go into stores that require them. Aside from that I don't. Medical personnel dealing specifically with highly contagious viruses and bacteria wear hazmat suits, full o2 apparatus and face shields. The virus easily escaped a high level bio-lab. A piece of cloth isn't going to do anything to protect anyone.
seatbelts, helmets on bikes...etc aren't going to protect anyone because some people still get hurt. Does this sound right to you?
And again, masks protect other people from the wearer more than they protect the wearer themselves.
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BoxerBrawler wrote: »I only wear it when I need to go into stores that require them. Aside from that I don't. Medical personnel dealing specifically with highly contagious viruses and bacteria wear hazmat suits, full o2 apparatus and face shields. The virus easily escaped a high level bio-lab. A piece of cloth isn't going to do anything to protect anyone.
Totally wrong statement, and part of a conspiracy theory. Please present proof of what you said or for ever keep silent with such dumbfounding ideas that do as much damage as the virus.
Edited to add the information below:
SARS-CoV-2 not Man-Made, Comparative Genomic Study Concludes
Mar 18, 2020
NEW YORK – The SARS-CoV-2 virus behind the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic evolved from naturally occurring strains, according to a new comparative genomic analysis.
"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," corresponding author Kristian Andersen, an immunology and microbiology researcher affiliated with the Scripps Research Institute and the Scripps Research Translational Institute, said in a statement.
As they reported in a correspondence article published in Nature Medicine on Tuesday, Andersen and colleagues from the US, Australia, and the UK brought together publicly available genome sequence data for alpha- and beta-coronaviruses found in a wide range of animal hosts, along with data from SARS-CoV-2 isolates and other coronaviruses infecting humans.
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BoxerBrawler wrote: »I only wear it when I need to go into stores that require them. Aside from that I don't. Medical personnel dealing specifically with highly contagious viruses and bacteria wear hazmat suits, full o2 apparatus and face shields. The virus easily escaped a high level bio-lab. A piece of cloth isn't going to do anything to protect anyone.
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Never wore one and doing fine.1
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Never wore one and doing fine.
Until you don't.
Apparently, you haven't read anybody's statement, in the news, expressing regret that they didn't listen or use precautions like they should have. A college student, on his death bed, spoke with great remorse that he didn't listen. It's sad many of us don't learn our lesson without really learning the lesson the hard way, but I guess that's human nature. If everyone felt as you do, deaths from this monster would be even worse than they are.
SMH
I'd certainly rather use one and not need it than need one and not use it.13 -
Whether I wear a mask depends on whether I think I'm going to encounter enough other people to justify it. If running outside, I never wear a mask (but always give people I encounter 6-10ft). If doing errands where I'll encounter other people relatively frequently, I always do just in case i've contracted it and haven't expressed symptoms yet.7
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
It's the same people who think freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without any consequence whatsoever. I gave up. Rooting for Darwin.14 -
I wear my mask inside any building/business that is public space. It's not hard. It's actually really easy.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
^^^ Excellent comment. Worth 500 Likes.
Signed, a retail employee who has to put up with this crap every day
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
Because few people seem to be able to comprehend doing something that benefits someone other than themselves.10 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
Because few people seem to be able to comprehend doing something that benefits someone other than themselves.
Well said, and I wonder where did they learn that.....
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
Because a LOT of people apparently only think about themselves. I wonder how they will feel if they catch it and spread it to people they love and they die or get dangerously ill.4
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