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Face mask or no face mask?

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  • lokihenlokihen Member Posts: 249 Member Member Posts: 249 Member
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.

    You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.

    This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.

    No scientific knowledge, but I'd guess the biggest danger would be picking up fomites from surfaces and rubbing them into eyes.
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Member Posts: 24,373 Member Member Posts: 24,373 Member
    lokihen wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    cgvet37 wrote: »
    Unless everyone properly wears a mask, there is no point.

    That's absurd. There are very few problems that require 100% perfect compliance to avoid eliminating all value of any compliance. Nuclear deterrence is arguably one. Reducing disease transmission is not.

    You do realize that those cheap paper masks do nothing to protect you? They are to protect you if someone coughs or sneezes. So, it takes one person who is sick and not wearing a mask. If you really want to be protected, you better wear a hazmat suite. Do you wear goggles? If not, the virus can enter through your eyes. So, the mask makes people "feel" safe.

    This stuff about the virus entering through your eyes sounds like pure speculation. Can we get exposed to diseases via our eyeballs? I'm sure we can. But viral load is a thing and if someone coughs in your vicinity, mere access to your eyeball isn't going to mean you necessarily get infected.

    No scientific knowledge, but I'd guess the biggest danger would be picking up fomites from surfaces and rubbing them into eyes.

    Sure, but we can minimize that without goggles by limiting the surfaces we touch outside our home, reducing the number of times we touch our face/eyes, and regularly washing our hands. It isn't going to eliminate the possibility of getting ill, but we basically can't ever eliminate that possibility in life . . . we're simply managing risks as best we can.

    My point is that there is no good evidence that we need to wear goggles in public or we might as well not bother to do anything at all.

    I'm pretty sure (well, I hope) that @cgvet37 wouldn't argue that we shouldn't bother to ever wash our hands because we might still get sick anyway. The same principle applies to masks.
  • AliciaHollywoodAliciaHollywood Member, Premium Posts: 97 Member Member, Premium Posts: 97 Member
    I always wear one when I leave the house except at the beach (I go to out of the way empty beaches.) They have outdoor dining now (all indoor dining was reclosed) and I use a face shield while eating. Restaurants do keep the tables 6 feet apart but I am a bit paranoid because other diners are not wearing anything. The waiters are wearing masks at least. I keep hand sanitizer at the table. Some restaurants put hand sanitizer on the table like a condiment lol!
  • MaesneuaddMaesneuadd Member, Premium Posts: 33 Member Member, Premium Posts: 33 Member
    It really is a difficult question. The effects of masks is quite small and mainly to protect others from any infection the wearer may have. While I wear one when out shopping or in public buildings I sometimes worry if it has a negative effect on my own risk. I worry that any sense of security teh wearing gives will make me more likely to go out and shop and socialise. While that will benefit the economy it will, to a degree, increase my own risk.
  • heybalesheybales Member Posts: 18,188 Member Member Posts: 18,188 Member
    Watched many coming out of stores after touching dirty carts, surfaces, ect - can't wait to get mask off and watch them rub their mouth and nose.

    It's the whole mix of knowledge on how you transfer things to yourself, and to others, that is lacking.

    Flu season annually appears to have accomplished nothing for being prepared for the vast masses - no wonder the flu kills so many every season.
    I'm sure part of that is coming on in to work/school/other while actively sick and others get it, and C-19 being spread by those with no idea they are sick.

    I don't wear mask working out on rides/runs.
    My long bike rides are only as long as my 2 bottles of water will take me since I'm not going in anywhere for refill, because I don't bring mask or hand cleaner.
    Runs are easy for the rare person on the sidewalk, I can easily move to street.
  • Diatonic12Diatonic12 Member Posts: 13,262 Member Member Posts: 13,262 Member
    @Gisel2015 Think Ron White here.

    I had the right to remain silent but I didn't have the ability.
    You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever. :p
  • BoxerBrawlerBoxerBrawler Member, Premium Posts: 2,040 Member Member, Premium Posts: 2,040 Member
    I only wear it when I need to go into stores that require them. Aside from that I don't. Medical personnel dealing specifically with highly contagious viruses and bacteria wear hazmat suits, full o2 apparatus and face shields. The virus easily escaped a high level bio-lab. A piece of cloth isn't going to do anything to protect anyone.
  • MFPUser73629MFPUser73629 Member Posts: 224 Member Member Posts: 224 Member
    Never wore one and doing fine.
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