Lifting glove advice
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so when your basketball player wants to get stronger to improve basketball performance, just have them do basketball stuff with a heavier and heavier basketball?Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
since that would be more specific to the task at hand?
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so when your basketball player wants to get stronger to improve basketball performance, just have them do basketball stuff with a heavier and heavier basketball?
since that would be more specific to the task at hand?
Strength training and skills training are two different kinds of training.1 -
so when your basketball player wants to get stronger to improve basketball performance, just have them do basketball stuff with a heavier and heavier basketball?Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
since that would be more specific to the task at hand?
so when your basketball player wants to get stronger to improve basketball performance, just have them do basketball stuff with a heavier and heavier basketball?Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
since that would be more specific to the task at hand?
No, because the goal in my example is improving a skill not strength specifically. We have to look at each individual and the goal or task at hand carefully and select the best route relative to that person/athlete.
If I wanted a basketball player to be stronger in general, I would train them for strength in general with some specificity of the the sub goals within. So things like quarter or half squats could be more useful for quad development to jump, while a huge bench press wouldn't be as useful. Working with a heavier basketball wouldn't improve a skill or strength that I can think of within the context you suggest.
Much if you ever seen a golfer in the gym using a cable machine to mimic his/her golf swing. This is hardly useful or optimal to practice swinging slower to improve the skill of golf. I rather train them stronger in general by means that are known to develop strength optimally and then have them practice whatever skill they want to develop by playing more golf that involves that skill.
Or my baseball pitchers, yes I might have them do some low volume weighted ball toss on a off day once in a while. I don't see that useful of throwing a snappy curve ball or locating their fast ball. Having them practice their curve ball and fast balls under proper load management would be my default to improve those skills.
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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Nothing "wrong" w/using gloves if they work for you.Use them if they do don't if they don't
I use them to keep calluses from forming. They work for that. Use them w/straps on deadlifts. Don't lift any less when I wear them
Unless you're chasing lifting numbers. <snip> But, if you're just trying to have a quick easy way to protect your hands and get past sweat, they're fine.
I'd agree that if you are trying to lift MAX weights that it probably would be better to do so w/just your bare hands and chalk/staps as needed/allowed.
I'm way beyond trying to lift max weights anymore. In fact, I hardly ever lift anymore.
That has more to do w/my age (70) and physical condition/appearance (which I'm happy w/the way it is now) which is based on all of the lifting I did before and the daily physical conditioning that I continue to get on my C2 rower.
However, when I was lifting "heavier," I preferred to use gloves/straps (rather than bare hands w/chalk (which I have) and/or straps because it was more comfortable to do so and because (at least for me) it did not seem to affect how much weight I could deadlift which, in my 60's when I weighed what I still do now (155-160), was a DL max of 400# (which was a lot of weight for a man my age/size).
I also wear/wore gloves when doing any other kind of lifting, rowing or any other physical exercise that requires me to hold something in my hands. Just feels better to me.
However, as someone mentioned above, the "fit" of the gloves is very important. I use fingerless leather palmed/nylon backed climbing gloves and have found that the tighter the fit, the better and usually buy 1 size smaller than I normally wear to make sure the gloves fit tightly (even if they stretch a bit after use).
Anyway, IMO, for "most" people, wearing gloves will make no difference at all, except make lifting a bar more comfortable and help prevent caluses from forming for those people who do not view caluses as a badge of merit.
For other people, who are believe that they are impaired from lifting MAX weights (whether that's actually the case or not) because gloves negatively affect their grip, there's nothing "wrong" going bare handed and w/chalk and/or straps (as needed or desired).
It just depends on your needs/goals.
Fair enough, just pointing out there is potential downsides to gloving up. But yeah, depends on what's the individual's priority.0 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure
As I said it is good for bettering grip strength for farmer carries. Never said they don't help grip, they just are a much lower option than the deadlift itself if our goal is to improve deadlift grip. Holding weight by your side while walking and at 90 degrees to body for minute(s) compared to a barbell in front of shins, lifting from a dead stop off the ground and hands in a totally different postion for only a fraction of second is a two entirely different grip needs. Can you benefit some grip? Probably minor, certainly not enough to change programming specific to increase grip FOR the deadlift which is what the OP is asking.
Nothing wrong with them, but not one of the links is "evidence" that it helps deadlifts. Articles can be written about anything and are only a opinion. Usually to sell something in the end advertising, product, etc...
Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
If a goal was for someone to increase their deadlift, I wouldn't dose farmer carries in place of deadlifts or a DL variation slot. I would have them deadlift at appropriate volume and intensity. That is the point.
The fitness industry if full of people suggesting things that are poor advice and a lot of times utterly BS to put out content and make money. Very few of them man up and educate themselves. Allan Thrall comes to mind as one that bettered himself. He put out kitty ccontent years ago and now uses evidence to base his decisions not opinion articles.
What if accuracy from a distance wasnt the issue, rather she didn't have the strength to get the ball to the net? Then some separate training to increase strength would absolutely be applicable. I agree with you in principle, but not with regards to this specific OP. Shes unable to train the lift with ample volume and intensity because grip is the weak link.
And its disingenuous to infer an article recommending a movement for increasing grip strength is likely BS simply because it's not accompanied by a study.0 -
CipherZero wrote: »so when your basketball player wants to get stronger to improve basketball performance, just have them do basketball stuff with a heavier and heavier basketball?
since that would be more specific to the task at hand?
Strength training and skills training are two different kinds of training.
Yet you introduced the analogy...what am I missing?
Edit: Nevermind, wrong person!0 -
Straps it is then.JessiBelleW wrote: »
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Straps it is then.JessiBelleW wrote: »
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
But OP is looking for gloves... this whole thing is so way OT.0 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
Straps it is then.JessiBelleW wrote: »
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
But OP is looking for gloves... this whole thing is so way OT.
Indeed - the poor lady started off with sweaty hands and must now have a terrible headache as well.4 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure
As I said it is good for bettering grip strength for farmer carries. Never said they don't help grip, they just are a much lower option than the deadlift itself if our goal is to improve deadlift grip. Holding weight by your side while walking and at 90 degrees to body for minute(s) compared to a barbell in front of shins, lifting from a dead stop off the ground and hands in a totally different postion for only a fraction of second is a two entirely different grip needs. Can you benefit some grip? Probably minor, certainly not enough to change programming specific to increase grip FOR the deadlift which is what the OP is asking.
Nothing wrong with them, but not one of the links is "evidence" that it helps deadlifts. Articles can be written about anything and are only a opinion. Usually to sell something in the end advertising, product, etc...
Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
If a goal was for someone to increase their deadlift, I wouldn't dose farmer carries in place of deadlifts or a DL variation slot. I would have them deadlift at appropriate volume and intensity. That is the point.
The fitness industry if full of people suggesting things that are poor advice and a lot of times utterly BS to put out content and make money. Very few of them man up and educate themselves. Allan Thrall comes to mind as one that bettered himself. He put out kitty ccontent years ago and now uses evidence to base his decisions not opinion articles.
What if accuracy from a distance wasnt the issue, rather she didn't have the strength to get the ball to the net? Then some separate training to increase strength would absolutely be applicable. I agree with you in principle, but not with regards to this specific OP. Shes unable to train the lift with ample volume and intensity because grip is the weak link.
And its disingenuous to infer an article recommending a movement for increasing grip strength is likely BS simply because it's not accompanied by a study.
Never seen a basketball player not have the strength to attempt a three pointer that had a goal to improve their three point accuracy.
You can feel any way you want about a article. I as most other elite athletes and coaches will side that a article is not evidence, just because it's published(no matter how matter how many times) We tend to go by experience and data and when a article "might" be interesting, it's not considered factual because it is published(even often)and in that case it can be deemed harmful in many regards.
There is a reason elite powerlifters don't train farmers carries if we have grip problems if our goal is to deadlift. If that was the case I assure, we would.
By your suggestion, a chin up would be just as useful for deadlift grip. But I'd argue it is a different grip within a movement and I wouldn't replace deadlifting with chin ups for increasing grip strength for DL alone. I guarantee there are articles published stating chin ups are deadlift grip builders in some way.
I would agree FC might have a miniscule and slight carry over to a trap bar deadlift only because hand position, and weight distrubution.
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Read what I said again
I was speaking of two different goals or results and you are grouping them as one goal.
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Yes, but there are suitable options, and one should be well informed, no?Chef_Barbell wrote: »But OP is looking for gloves... this whole thing is so way OT.
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okay so:I was speaking of two different goals or results and you are grouping them as one goal.
general grip strength, as acquired via methods such as farmers walks, is not applicable to the specific grip strength required to deadlift?
sorry if i’m having a hard time handling this...
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perhaps it would be prudent, then, to ask the OP if they are an elite powerlifter, since 99.99% of the population are not elite powerlifters, and don’t require or desire to train as such.There is a reason elite powerlifters don't train farmers carries if we have grip problems if our goal is to deadlift. If that was the case I assure, we would.
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perhaps it would be prudent, then, to ask the OP if they are an elite powerlifter, since 99.99% of the population are not elite powerlifters, and don’t require or desire to train as such.There is a reason elite powerlifters don't train farmers carries if we have grip problems if our goal is to deadlift. If that was the case I assure, we would.
You're right. Ask people that have less experience and success and haven't overcome specific issues over many years of training and coaching that are specific the question being asked.
Give your advice of stop deadlifting and try farmer carries.
There is a saying that is really good advice
Try not to be a dik.
Done with you kid. You crossed the line.1 -
when i graduated college twenty years ago, i was a 6’1” 135# alcoholic drug addict. as a skinny weak male i suffered severe insecurity and self esteem issues, which fed the downward spiral of drinking.You're right. Ask people that have less experience and success and haven't overcome specific issues over many years of training and coaching that are specific the question being asked.
Give your advice of stop deadlifting and try farmer carries.
There is a saying that is really good advice
Try not to be a dik.
Done with you kid. You crossed the line.
now i am 44 years old (not a kid), two years sober, 200# and getting stronger. i will never be an elite power lifter, nor as strong as many lifters, but i’m not comparing myself to others. my only measure of success is am i better than i was yesterday; some days yes, some days no.
your experiences and triumphs, while individual, are not unique. we can agree, we can disagree, but each of our views are valid and worthy of consideration.
if i offended you i apologize, and you are not alone in your feelings. i just respond to offense differently: by being a smart aleck “dik”.
respect is a two way street, you gotta give some to get some...
and my apologies to the op and moderators for derailing the thread.
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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure
As I said it is good for bettering grip strength for farmer carries. Never said they don't help grip, they just are a much lower option than the deadlift itself if our goal is to improve deadlift grip. Holding weight by your side while walking and at 90 degrees to body for minute(s) compared to a barbell in front of shins, lifting from a dead stop off the ground and hands in a totally different postion for only a fraction of second is a two entirely different grip needs. Can you benefit some grip? Probably minor, certainly not enough to change programming specific to increase grip FOR the deadlift which is what the OP is asking.
Nothing wrong with them, but not one of the links is "evidence" that it helps deadlifts. Articles can be written about anything and are only a opinion. Usually to sell something in the end advertising, product, etc...
Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
If a goal was for someone to increase their deadlift, I wouldn't dose farmer carries in place of deadlifts or a DL variation slot. I would have them deadlift at appropriate volume and intensity. That is the point.
The fitness industry if full of people suggesting things that are poor advice and a lot of times utterly BS to put out content and make money. Very few of them man up and educate themselves. Allan Thrall comes to mind as one that bettered himself. He put out kitty ccontent years ago and now uses evidence to base his decisions not opinion articles.
What if accuracy from a distance wasnt the issue, rather she didn't have the strength to get the ball to the net? Then some separate training to increase strength would absolutely be applicable. I agree with you in principle, but not with regards to this specific OP. Shes unable to train the lift with ample volume and intensity because grip is the weak link.
And its disingenuous to infer an article recommending a movement for increasing grip strength is likely BS simply because it's not accompanied by a study.
Never seen a basketball player not have the strength to attempt a three pointer that had a goal to improve their three point accuracy.
You can feel any way you want about a article. I as most other elite athletes and coaches will side that a article is not evidence, just because it's published(no matter how matter how many times) We tend to go by experience and data and when a article "might" be interesting, it's not considered factual because it is published(even often)and in that case it can be deemed harmful in many regards.
There is a reason elite powerlifters don't train farmers carries if we have grip problems if our goal is to deadlift. If that was the case I assure, we would.
By your suggestion, a chin up would be just as useful for deadlift grip. But I'd argue it is a different grip within a movement and I wouldn't replace deadlifting with chin ups for increasing grip strength for DL alone. I guarantee there are articles published stating chin ups are deadlift grip builders in some way.
I would agree FC might have a miniscule and slight carry over to a trap bar deadlift only because hand position, and weight distrubution.
Why do Strongmen perform farmers carries?0 -
IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure
As I said it is good for bettering grip strength for farmer carries. Never said they don't help grip, they just are a much lower option than the deadlift itself if our goal is to improve deadlift grip. Holding weight by your side while walking and at 90 degrees to body for minute(s) compared to a barbell in front of shins, lifting from a dead stop off the ground and hands in a totally different postion for only a fraction of second is a two entirely different grip needs. Can you benefit some grip? Probably minor, certainly not enough to change programming specific to increase grip FOR the deadlift which is what the OP is asking.
Nothing wrong with them, but not one of the links is "evidence" that it helps deadlifts. Articles can be written about anything and are only a opinion. Usually to sell something in the end advertising, product, etc...
Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
If a goal was for someone to increase their deadlift, I wouldn't dose farmer carries in place of deadlifts or a DL variation slot. I would have them deadlift at appropriate volume and intensity. That is the point.
The fitness industry if full of people suggesting things that are poor advice and a lot of times utterly BS to put out content and make money. Very few of them man up and educate themselves. Allan Thrall comes to mind as one that bettered himself. He put out kitty ccontent years ago and now uses evidence to base his decisions not opinion articles.
What if accuracy from a distance wasnt the issue, rather she didn't have the strength to get the ball to the net? Then some separate training to increase strength would absolutely be applicable. I agree with you in principle, but not with regards to this specific OP. Shes unable to train the lift with ample volume and intensity because grip is the weak link.
And its disingenuous to infer an article recommending a movement for increasing grip strength is likely BS simply because it's not accompanied by a study.
Never seen a basketball player not have the strength to attempt a three pointer that had a goal to improve their three point accuracy.
You can feel any way you want about a article. I as most other elite athletes and coaches will side that a article is not evidence, just because it's published(no matter how matter how many times) We tend to go by experience and data and when a article "might" be interesting, it's not considered factual because it is published(even often)and in that case it can be deemed harmful in many regards.
There is a reason elite powerlifters don't train farmers carries if we have grip problems if our goal is to deadlift. If that was the case I assure, we would.
By your suggestion, a chin up would be just as useful for deadlift grip. But I'd argue it is a different grip within a movement and I wouldn't replace deadlifting with chin ups for increasing grip strength for DL alone. I guarantee there are articles published stating chin ups are deadlift grip builders in some way.
I would agree FC might have a miniscule and slight carry over to a trap bar deadlift only because hand position, and weight distrubution.
Why do Strongmen perform farmers carries?
It's a specific event for when they compete in their sport.. There also might perform duck walks, suitcase carry, and yokes during comps.. All have simular demands and would have some carry over to and from FC.
Highland games also have certain events that I might find farmers carries useful for training though I'm not as familiar with HG which is odd being good friends with a master's champ...lol.0 -
This conversation has been derailed slightly for the OP! @JessiBelleW - try the cheapest options first to decide if you like them. Chalk helps enormously if your hands get sweaty; when your grip goes you can try mixed grip or hookgrip (your trainer should be able to show you those), then is there anyone in the gym you could ask to borrow straps from? Gloves are a bit more tricky as they can be sweaty, but I always have two pairs of straps and various knee wraps etc and have loaned them in the past to friends (possibly not COVID secure now I guess). Then when you know what you like and dislike, you can invest yourself without wasting money. Have fun!JessiBelleW wrote: »Hi team,
Today I managed to deadlift 60kgs / 130lbs, but couldn’t manage more due to grip. Gym suggested buying gloves.
Does anyone have any tips about what I am looking for? What makes a good glove?
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IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »IronIsMyTherapy wrote: »Chalk, not gloves but it's really your grip strength you should work on. I'd suggest doing farmers carry's to build grip strength.
Lmao, I get my fair share of disagree's but I'd love this one to defend it
Essentially doing farmer's carries makes you better at farmer carries, not deadlift grip compared to actually performing the deadlift grip.
The specificity isn't very close at all because of how, where, and the movement itself is performed.
Doing more deadlifts with more reps and eventually higher intensity over time will improve your deadlift grip because of the specificity of the movement, hold angle, leverage, etc...
If you are adding farmer carries to your programming for "grip work" only. then I'd argue its a poor choice on exercise selection.
There is nothing wrong with farmers carries especially of you are or have aspirations to be a strongman competitor. The grip simply doesn't carry over well to deadlifts in place of performing a deadlift.
So yeah specificity is why I don't find farmer's carries a great option for what the OP posted with what we know of his/her training.
I disagree. Farmers carry's are BOTH a good standalone exercise AND very often recommended to help with grip. Yes, the best way to improve a lift is to train the lift itself, but the specificity lies in the issue at hand, which is grip strength and I stand by the farmers carry as a great way to train grip.
https://origympersonaltrainercourses.co.uk/blog/farmers-walk-benefits#:~:text=The farmer's walk strengthens your,when they are properly trained.
https://barbend.com/benefits-of-farmers-walk/
https://www.verywellfit.com/how-to-do-a-farmer-carry-techniques-benefits-variations-4796615
https://www.theptdc.com/how-to-improve-grip-strength-with-these-top-exercises-for-hands
https://www.crossfitinvictus.com/blog/farmer-carries-super-beneficial-yet-widely-underused/
https://www.t-nation.com/training/farmer-s-walk-cure
As I said it is good for bettering grip strength for farmer carries. Never said they don't help grip, they just are a much lower option than the deadlift itself if our goal is to improve deadlift grip. Holding weight by your side while walking and at 90 degrees to body for minute(s) compared to a barbell in front of shins, lifting from a dead stop off the ground and hands in a totally different postion for only a fraction of second is a two entirely different grip needs. Can you benefit some grip? Probably minor, certainly not enough to change programming specific to increase grip FOR the deadlift which is what the OP is asking.
Nothing wrong with them, but not one of the links is "evidence" that it helps deadlifts. Articles can be written about anything and are only a opinion. Usually to sell something in the end advertising, product, etc...
Think of it this way. I have a basketball athlete who wants to increase her three poit percentage. Do I have her practice free throws or three pointers? Both have simular arm motions, but one is closer to the hoop and feet stay in the ground the other is specific to the task. I wouldn't take out 3pt practice and insert free throw if the goal was to better 3pt percentage. Especially if she wasn't in need of free throw practice.
If a goal was for someone to increase their deadlift, I wouldn't dose farmer carries in place of deadlifts or a DL variation slot. I would have them deadlift at appropriate volume and intensity. That is the point.
The fitness industry if full of people suggesting things that are poor advice and a lot of times utterly BS to put out content and make money. Very few of them man up and educate themselves. Allan Thrall comes to mind as one that bettered himself. He put out kitty ccontent years ago and now uses evidence to base his decisions not opinion articles.
What if accuracy from a distance wasnt the issue, rather she didn't have the strength to get the ball to the net? Then some separate training to increase strength would absolutely be applicable. I agree with you in principle, but not with regards to this specific OP. Shes unable to train the lift with ample volume and intensity because grip is the weak link.
And its disingenuous to infer an article recommending a movement for increasing grip strength is likely BS simply because it's not accompanied by a study.
Never seen a basketball player not have the strength to attempt a three pointer that had a goal to improve their three point accuracy.
You can feel any way you want about a article. I as most other elite athletes and coaches will side that a article is not evidence, just because it's published(no matter how matter how many times) We tend to go by experience and data and when a article "might" be interesting, it's not considered factual because it is published(even often)and in that case it can be deemed harmful in many regards.
There is a reason elite powerlifters don't train farmers carries if we have grip problems if our goal is to deadlift. If that was the case I assure, we would.
By your suggestion, a chin up would be just as useful for deadlift grip. But I'd argue it is a different grip within a movement and I wouldn't replace deadlifting with chin ups for increasing grip strength for DL alone. I guarantee there are articles published stating chin ups are deadlift grip builders in some way.
I would agree FC might have a miniscule and slight carry over to a trap bar deadlift only because hand position, and weight distrubution.
Why do Strongmen perform farmers carries?
It's a specific event for when they compete in their sport.. There also might perform duck walks, suitcase carry, and yokes during comps.. All have simular demands and would have some carry over to and from FC.
Highland games also have certain events that I might find farmers carries useful for training though I'm not as familiar with HG which is odd being good friends with a master's champ...lol.
They build grip strength, period. You can't do heavy farmers carries with a weak grip.2
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