Coronavirus prep
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I was with my husband a few years ago (no masks) and I was over 40. I mean it's pretty obvious I'm not under age - silver streaks in my hair, wrinkles and all that. I didn't bring my wallet because he was buying. The girl at the register looked like she should have been carded her own self. She wanted to see both of our IDs. She refused to sell to us when I said I didn't have mine. I couldn't believe it. My husband was pissed. The sign said "if you LOOK like you're under 30, you must show ID." I said, "thanks for the compliment, but I dont really look that young." She wasn't having it. That's only happened once tho. Nobody else even asks my age. Some people are just stickers I guess.
It's a wackadoodle rule. If somebody were a minor and bent on getting alcohol illegally, they'd learn the first time and just not go in with the adult in the future.
If a parent out running errands with a small child they can't leave home alone stops in to get a bottle of wine or whatever for dinner, do they refuse to sell to them?0 -
I think it's a rule you have to have a valid ID to purchase alcohol here at least. Last year my husband went in with me to buy something in the liquor store and they asked him for ID...and all he had was an expired DL. So they asked him to leave. I really doubt that the employees love carding people but I also know from taking a class to get a liquor license it's really easy to lose it and it's not a risk that the owners are willing to take.3
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I think it's a rule you have to have a valid ID to purchase alcohol here at least. Last year my husband went in with me to buy something in the liquor store and they asked him for ID...and all he had was an expired DL. So they asked him to leave. I really doubt that the employees love carding people but I also know from taking a class to get a liquor license it's really easy to lose it and it's not a risk that the owners are willing to take.
Yes, of course, but the poster who was carded wasn't the person buying the alcohol. If I'm in the process of buying something in a liquor store, and a friend who hasn't seen me for a while sees me through the big glass front window most of our local liquor stores have, and comes inside to say hi, does this mean I can't complete my transaction if my friend happens not to have their ID with them? It's just bizarre.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
Yes, of course, but the poster who was carded wasn't the person buying the alcohol. If I'm in the process of buying something in a liquor store, and a friend who hasn't seen me for a while sees me through the big glass front window most of our local liquor stores have, and comes inside to say hi, does this mean I can't complete my transaction if my friend happens not to have their ID with them? It's just bizarre.
I found this information on the California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control website.
https://www.abc.ca.gov/education/licensee-education/checking-identification/
"Good I.D. Policies
The following are some good I.D. policies:
Ask for I.D. from anyone who looks under 30 years old. If someone asks you, “Why are you checking my I.D.?” say, “Our policy is to card people who look under 30.”
Managers will support employees’ decisions to refuse service
If you must sell pitcher beer, ask for an I.D. from each person who receives a glass
Check I.D. as if you were cashing a $250 check because that is how much a mistake could cost you!
Door personnel and servers will both check I.D.’s
Post signs
Call the police for help if needed
If in doubt about an I.D., don’t accept it."
As the sign in the store stated, if you look under 30, you get carded. I'm literally an old bag. It's obvious to everyone and God that I'm not under 21. I wasn't buying, only standing next to the guy who was. She said she had to check me to make sure I wasn't a minor (LOL) after she saw me "touch the cart." (The bottle of wine was in the cart.) It was kind of embarrassing actually. It was busy and we'd waited in a long line of impatient shoppers. People were turning their heads in other lanes. We didn't pitch a fit or scream for the manager. We just shrugged and said "OK" and left the cart and everything behind. We shop elsewhere now. It's funny to me now, but it was ridiculous and annoying at the time...the person behind us in line about had a fit over it. She was outraged FOR us. I could hear her going off at the cashier as we walked away. I'm thinking, this isn't even your fight. LOL!2 -
@SModa61: I bet it looks better than you thought. I let my silver come in when I turned forty and at this point it looks like my dark hair has glittering strands of tinsel in it. It is not a bad effect.
I never used to wear much makeup, but I put on ALL the eye makeup now when going out because, well, that's all you see over the mask.
I'm in Marion County, myself, and haven't been going out beyond grocery store and the indulgence of picking up tacos last week and eating them in the car for a date. (We drove it to a park, so....) But I have a partner with obesity and COPD, and we've already had a light cold (negative COVID test) that turned into bronchitis for her, so I don't want her to get COVID. I guarantee it would put her in the hospital and probably kill her.6 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
So she was insisting you remove your mask and then get within arm's length of her to hand her the ID? I would have had to leave to be sure I wouldn't give into the temptation to comply with the mask-removal request and then cough as hard as I could when I handed her the ID.
Do they always card who you're with, even if you're not the one making the purchase?? I honestly didn't know that. I could've sworn I've bought beer before(ok, a long time before granted) when one of my dds was with me and they needed by ID only. Hmmm The smart ones purchasing for underage usually go in alone.
I'm not sure what I would've done in this situation. It would've been very different if dh had gone in alone to purchase the liquor. Personally, I think the clerk was having an off day, maybe they'd encountered way too many unruly unfriendly customers, had family members who are sick; you never know why someone is acting the way they are. Whiskey's not worth the stress. Now if I was trying to buy vodka, it'd be different.
Oh the memories of being an age to be carded. Haven't been asked for about 15 years. The wrinkles gave it away by then.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
Yes, of course, but the poster who was carded wasn't the person buying the alcohol. If I'm in the process of buying something in a liquor store, and a friend who hasn't seen me for a while sees me through the big glass front window most of our local liquor stores have, and comes inside to say hi, does this mean I can't complete my transaction if my friend happens not to have their ID with them? It's just bizarre.
In some states, liquor is sold in stores where you have to be 21 to even be inside. And yes they are required to card you even if you look old.5 -
At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.4
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Well NYC is on the verge of going all remote for school. Sad times for my kids.
I'm sorry.
Our county schools have been like that for 2 weeks and will be until after Thanksgiving probably.
Less than half in the community follow the guidelines. Masks were only "suggested" for the county schools anyway. Too little testing and too little compliance has made community spread blow up, and they can no longer effectively contact trace, not that they did a great job of that to begin with.
We homeschool, but they had youth group and co-op classes and soccer. They've had nothing since March. Well, to be fair, the co-op insisted in holding one class, and the church is starting youth group back during the highest point of community spread here so far. So we aren't doing it.
I hope it isn't for too long for your kiddos.
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.
It's much the same here. If you're buying beer or wine you have to go to a designated checkout with a cashier who is Smart Serve certified, because that's a requirement to sell alcohol in this province. The store where I shop most often requires the cashier to enter numbers from your DL (probably the last 6 as those are DOB) in order to complete the transaction so everyone has to produce ID.1 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »
In some states, liquor is sold in stores where you have to be 21 to even be inside. And yes they are required to card you even if you look old.
Was down on Broadway St in Nashville on a Saturday last summer. They card EVERYONE going in the bars. Person in front of us was at least 70 and they carded him so I reached for my wallet.3 -
Redordeadhead wrote: »I had an interesting experience today. I was denied the possibility to make a purchase in a shop because I refused to take off my mask.
I entered a shop to join my husband, who was in the process of purchasing a bottle of whisky. We are both 15 years over the legal drinking age. In this country, the use of masks in public spaces is strongly recommended by the government and a shop can refuse entry to you if you do not wear one.
Well, in my case, the assistant rudely demanded that I remove my mask. When I said I would not, and pointed out the existence of a pandemic, she refused to continue the sale. I offered to her my ID, which clearly shows I'm over 30, but she would not even look at it and said I do not want to see your ID, you need to remove your mask. Needless to say, we left without buying anything.
I understand that liquor purchase laws differ everywhere.
I don't know where @Redordeadhead lives, but my assumption was that s/he would not have reported this experience, if it were typical there, and instead was just the way the ID laws for liquor purchases were enforced everywhere packaged liquor is sold in that jurisdiction.
If it's not a standard thing there, then it seems like it's an unacceptable thing to have happen, in the midst of a pandemic. (Clerks being rude, IMO, is an unacceptable thing everywhere, and I took that report at face value.)
If this is standard practice in that location, to require customers to remove their mask for an ID check regardless of age or when possibly appearing to be below a certain age, then the clerk was not being unreasonable (but may still have been unnecessarily rude).
It seems like a lot of the ensuing discussion has been about whether the clerk's behavior would've been appropriate in other locations that may have other rules . . . which doesn't seem all that relevant, to me.🤷♀️7 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.
Here it's if you look over 40 (and since they sell -- and it's definitely not new here -- in grocery stores, as well as convenience stores, liquor stores, etc., they certainly don't card anyone but the buyer, as people obviously bring their kids to the grocery store). However, I've been one of the people responsible for carding people for a church Oktoberfest event in past years (not to go in, but to get a wrist band so you could buy beer or anything else alcoholic), and they were really careful -- probably a different standard for an event vs a retail establishment --and we had to card absolutely anyone, no matter what. So I was in the position of carding people in their 70s and refusing a wrist band if they didn't have ID. Most did, but a few didn't have it onhand, and found that they needed it hilarious. (Happily, it was all good-natured.)3 -
And just like that, NM is back to March and strict stay at home orders...nothing is open expect for essentials starting Monday. Essentials will also be limited to 25% of capacity or 75 persons, whichever is smaller. Everything else is closed starting Monday...restaurants (except for take out and curbside), gyms, salons, non essential retail, golf courses and other recreational facilities, etc...all closed starting Monday.
This is even more strict than the spring in that essentials didn't have the % or 75 persons rule...it was just a % of max capacity. Going to be long lines at Costco and the grocery store if only 75 people can be in at a time.11 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »At our grocery they card everyone buying beer and wine, regardless of apparent age. Selling alcohol in the grocery is new to PA so they are extra careful so they don't lose the right. DH is 81 and they still check his ID.
Come to think of it, I have been carded in grocery stores in recent years, probably for alcohol purchases (although I very seldom buy alcohol in the grocery store, so I'm not sure), but definitely for some kind of OTC medications that are restricted -- antihistamines or something that can be used to make street drugs. And since even the kindest person in the world couldn't pretend to think I'm under 40, that's obviously a card-everybody policy.
But again, my objection isn't to a card-everybody policy. My objection is to an implementation of the policy that flies in the face of good public health practices (pull your mask down and then come within arm's length to hand me your ID) and to an application of the policy that ties a transaction to ID of a third-party not making the purchase.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
Where I live, anybody who donates blood gets the antibody test. It is free, of course. He might look into that.
Awesome!! We should all become blood donors.2 -
Just heard from a relative in Pennsylvania that they're starting to see toilet paper and paper towel shortages again. I thought the shelves in that aisle looked pretty well stocked here just a few days ago, but maybe I'll make another trip this weekend and see. I was thinking of buying a turkey now, after seeing the new sale prices, and maybe cooking it this weekend as part of a "progressive dinner party" approach to Thanksgiving (freeze the meat and stock and drippings to go with mashed potatoes, stuffing, and veggies I would make closer to T-day proper), but it's actually still a little warm to want to turn on the oven for hours.0
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Had to run to Walgreens this afternoon and pick up something. Four young teens go in right before me, no masks, I took off up a different aisle. I could hear them chuckling then start fake coughing all up one aisle, down the next and out the door. I know kids will be kids but that kind of behavior, disrespect for such a dangerous illness, started somewhere.
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I think it's such a shame it wasn't framed as a "war on the virus" right from the beginning! Wrap the effort in the flag, appeal to everyone's patriotism. I think it would have been such a different trajectory. I doubt a new point of view in the new year can completely fix how people see the pandemic, but hopefully it will help.
And yeah, we all have to brace ourselves for the next 2 or 3 months
Even if there's not enough vaccine available for everyone, hopefully it will eventually mean there are less people around to catch the virus from.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »
We had a 21 yr old woman die of COVID three days ago, here in Italy--no pre-existing conditions.
Why are these people dying?? Here in my little corner of the world, they all recover fully. The last death was 29th April.1 -
Awesome!! We should all become blood donors.
Yes. They are looking for the antibodies in donated blood because I think they are giving those antibodies to patients who are experiencing more serious cases of Covid. Donating blood can save a life with or without antibodies, though.
Interestingly enough, I was banned for life from donating until April 2020. For decades, the FDA banned those of us who had taken beef insulin for life because they were concerned about vCJD (aka "mad cow disease"). Finally in April, they removed that ban after nobody had ever become an angry cow after receiving a blood transfusion anywhere. I donated once in July and was eligible again in Sept., but haven't found another blood collection that fits my schedule and location yet.3 -
Even if there's not enough vaccine available for everyone, hopefully it will eventually mean there are less people around to catch the virus from.
Hopefully it will not be the good caring careful ones gone though.2 -
1) I was thinking of gyms mostly but of course I get what you are saying about bars etc...
2) Good to hear about the alcohol. We never have been able to get alcohol delivered from restaurants until recently so to me I carry out to me means a different thing. We don't use those terms here usually. Also supermarkets don't sell alcohol over here. We have to go into what is called a "bottle shop" to buy wine etc.. they only sell alcohol there other than a few little snacks like nuts.
Interesting how every country is different. Our supermarkets sell everything. But during the lockdown earlier this year, anywhere that was allowed to open was NOT allowed to sell any alcohol. One guy told me, a store owner sneaked him a bottle quietly so he could drink at home.0 -
Had to run to Walgreens this afternoon and pick up something. Four young teens go in right before me, no masks, I took off up a different aisle. I could hear them chuckling then start fake coughing all up one aisle, down the next and out the door. I know kids will be kids but that kind of behavior, disrespect for such a dangerous illness, started somewhere.
Ugh. Yes, it started somewhere and it hasn't ended anywhere. Nobody knows if these teenagers are asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, or pauci-symptomatic. This is not a game...2 -
Interesting how every country is different. Our supermarkets sell everything. But during the lockdown earlier this year, anywhere that was allowed to open was NOT allowed to sell any alcohol. One guy told me, a store owner sneaked him a bottle quietly so he could drink at home.
I'm not sure how to think about it. I guess if people just want a couple of glasses in their home with their partner then it's fine. It's only if they want to start up a big party that it becomes a problem. That was nice of the store owner 0 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
Ugh. Yes, it started somewhere and it hasn't ended anywhere. Nobody knows if these teenagers are asymptomatic, pre-symptomatic, or pauci-symptomatic. This is not a game...
I agree. So sorry you had to go through that Rennie, must have made you very uncomfortable. Guess they don't know better. They will if they get it and if they are acting like this then it's likely they will get it. You cannot muck around with this.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »
In NM, it is the results from private testing that are taking the longest. If you get tested at a DOH site results are typically within 2-3 days. The downside is that the drive through testing lines are a longer wait than going to a private site.
I was sick a couple of weeks ago...I didn't really know at first, but I went to the office and I popped on the thermometer coming in. They manually took it four more times because I told them I felt completely fine and kept popping so they sent me home and I had to get tested. I didn't really start feeling bad until later that day...it was pretty minor but somewhat consistent with people I've known who've had mild symptoms.
I ended up testing negative, but after a couple of days I still hadn't been texted or emailed my results and couldn't find them online. I let a couple more days pass and after 5 days I found a number for the DOH specifically for COVID related questions. I called, and they had my results and had them for a few days already, but they are so backlogged with testing that even when they get the results they can't get them out fast enough to people. He advised me to tell anyone I know that is awaiting results to call if they haven't received them in 3 days because they are most likely in, just not disseminated.
Not sure how it works elsewhere, but that's what's going on in NM.
Here the test results can be available in 4 hours, but notification generally would be the next day.0 -
The last three times i tried to donate blood I was rejected because I was slightly anemic. I gave up. Since then the anemia has gotten worse so I am not even going to try.3
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »The last three times i tried to donate blood I was rejected because I was slightly anemic. I gave up. Since then the anemia has gotten worse so I am not even going to try.
So sorry to hear that. Do you know why you are? Are you eating enough red meat or maybe you are vegetarian? Hopefully not bleeding a lot. I'd never be anemic. DH likes his red meat too much so I get enough. Yes best you don't donate blood but it's so nice you tried. Last time I tried I wasn't allowed either and wouldn't be allowed right now till I have some test results on my heart back. I am sure I'm fine.3
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