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None of this here. But I'm currently trying to find work. There are lots of interesting consultancy jobs around, often just for 6-12 months. But my application gets turned down because I'm not vaccinated yet. Why is that an issue? Being in Europe the market for my profession is small. I'd need to look abroad. No company in another country would hire a consultant urgently who first has to isolate in a hotel for 10-14 days, or would not be able to get into that country at all.
According to government information it will take at least 2 more months before I get the first vaccination dose. It's a total unorganized mess here. But with a bit of luck I'll be able to jump the queue: I've taken on a side gig as vaccination giver. And those people get the leftovers at the end of the day. But apart from that i won't be sitting at home browsing job boards every day, and will be able to get out and talk to people. Win win.4 -
It's disgusting. Celebrities and companies need to stay in their lane.1
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
Uh, ever heard of a jelly donut?2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
Uh, ever heard of a jelly donut?
er?1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
They're part of the overall society that has been ravaged by this disease. No reasonable person could be surprised that they consider helping reduce COVID rates to be in their interest.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
They're part of the overall society that has been ravaged by this disease. No reasonable person could be surprised that they consider helping reduce COVID rates to be in their interest.
Not sure PR stunts qualify someone as 'reasonable' or 'helping'.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
They're part of the overall society that has been ravaged by this disease. No reasonable person could be surprised that they consider helping reduce COVID rates to be in their interest.
Not sure PR stunts qualify someone as 'reasonable' or 'helping'.
So if it's just a stunt that won't do anything either way, what's the problem? What disgusts you about it?2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
They're part of the overall society that has been ravaged by this disease. No reasonable person could be surprised that they consider helping reduce COVID rates to be in their interest.
Not sure PR stunts qualify someone as 'reasonable' or 'helping'.
So if it's just a stunt that won't do anything either way, what's the problem? What disgusts you about it?
The fact that it is a virtue signaling stunt disgusts me and the fact, as I've already stated, that I believe celebrities, corporations etc need to sell their brand/products and not their ideas which seeks to persuade and/or exploit public opinion on social matters for profit.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
They're part of the overall society that has been ravaged by this disease. No reasonable person could be surprised that they consider helping reduce COVID rates to be in their interest.
Not sure PR stunts qualify someone as 'reasonable' or 'helping'.
So if it's just a stunt that won't do anything either way, what's the problem? What disgusts you about it?
The fact that it is a virtue signaling stunt disgusts me and the fact, as I've already stated, that I believe celebrities, corporations etc need to sell their brand/products and not their ideas which seeks to persuade and/or exploit public opinion on social matters for profit.
I sometimes get a coupon for a free sandwich or a chance to win free sports tickets when I donate blood. If you're looking for stuff to be offended and outraged by, I guess there's plenty of stuff out there for you to get het up about.8 -
I'm not sure about Busy 911 - but speaking for myself, I wouldnt say I am het up or offended or outraged - but for reasons listed upthread, I dont agree with it.0
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
Uh, ever heard of a jelly donut?
Possibly not.
Depending what country you are in - jelly means different things.
To those of us not in US, this would be a jam donut.
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paperpudding wrote: »I'm not sure about Busy 911 - but speaking for myself, I wouldnt say I am het up or offended or outraged - but for reasons listed upthread, I dont agree with it.
I get the sense the two of you disagree with it for quite different reasons, however.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »I'm not sure about Busy 911 - but speaking for myself, I wouldnt say I am het up or offended or outraged - but for reasons listed upthread, I dont agree with it.
That was for the specific person who said this disgusted them. I didn't think you seemed offended or worked up at all, sorry.2 -
paperpudding wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Disagree. Vax has nothing to do with their lane unless they're injecting donuts with jelly or chocolate.
Uh, ever heard of a jelly donut?
Possibly not.
Depending what country you are in - jelly means different things.
To those of us not in US, this would be a jam donut.
True but considering I was responding to a quote about injecting a donut with jelly...
C'mon, it's right there!
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Lots of incentives to promote vaccination going on out there, even some government agencies for their employees.
We just. want. this. over.
https://komonews.com/news/local/more-and-more-sites-offering-incentives-to-encourage-people-to-get-covid-19-vaccines6 -
Exactly!0
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Getting back to the OP's original question, Krispy Kreme giving away donuts is one thing, but if bars, pubs, and other drinking establishments said "Show your vax card, and the first one is on the house!"...I guarantee the line outside the health department waiting to get vaxxed would be quite a bit longer than it already is. And that's a good thing!
In fact, I'm just fine with all the businesses, events, etc. that we've all been missing out on for the last year doing whatever they can to encourage the vaccine program! It still remains YOUR choice whether you partake or not.
Totally disagree. A $3 or so drink, doughnut etc is not going to do one thing change anyone's mind about getting a vaccine.
So somebody actually disagreed with this idea... that didn't age well. Just a sampling:
Bud, beer, donuts, baseball, and savings bonds, Sam Adams, state, city, and county governments kicking in whatever, etc., etc.,
Like the poster up-thread said... WE. WANT. THIS. OVER!
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Getting back to the OP's original question, Krispy Kreme giving away donuts is one thing, but if bars, pubs, and other drinking establishments said "Show your vax card, and the first one is on the house!"...I guarantee the line outside the health department waiting to get vaxxed would be quite a bit longer than it already is. And that's a good thing!
In fact, I'm just fine with all the businesses, events, etc. that we've all been missing out on for the last year doing whatever they can to encourage the vaccine program! It still remains YOUR choice whether you partake or not.
Totally disagree. A $3 or so drink, doughnut etc is not going to do one thing change anyone's mind about getting a vaccine.
So somebody actually disagreed with this idea... that didn't age well. Just a sampling:
Bud, beer, donuts, baseball, and savings bonds, Sam Adams, state, city, and county governments kicking in whatever, etc., etc.,
Like the poster up-thread said... WE. WANT. THIS. OVER!
And if anyone thinks these giveaways are the difference maker in someone getting vaxed I have some nice ocean view property in Iowa for sale cheap. They'd make a perfect buyer.
Agreed.
But still:
I know that there a people who object to this kind of promotion simply because they find it somehow unseemly, for reasons having nothing to do with supporting the vaccination or not.
However, it amuses me to see some people, a subset of the anti-vaccine contingent, who oppose these promotions because it's *so unfair* that their choice not to be vaccinated has actual consequences, even when the consequences are so absolutely trivial as not getting a free donut quite as often.
Prediction: There will be disagrees to this, for many reasons. 😉😆4 -
I said this in some thread, maybe this one, already, but I think a lot of people aren't anti vax, but just see no reason it's worth the trouble (I'm comparing this to my former attitude toward the flu vaccine). Or perhaps they have a political view that getting vaxxed is admitting covid wasn't some big overblown thing. For them, getting a free drink (or maybe going with people and all getting the free drink together) might be sufficient motivation. Not a bribe, IMO, just an effort to create an incentive.2
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But still:
I know that there a people who object to this kind of promotion simply because they find it somehow unseemly, for reasons having nothing to do with supporting the vaccination or not.
However, it amuses me to see some people, a subset of the anti-vaccine contingent, who oppose these promotions because it's *so unfair* that their choice not to be vaccinated has actual consequences, even when the consequences are so absolutely trivial as not getting a free donut quite as often.
am quoting your post, really just to springboard my point than to disagree or agree with
you in particular.
There seems to have crept in, in last page or so, a presumption that people who are against this sort of promotion are anti vax.
Not so at all.
I am certainly not anti vax and anyone following my posts on other threads would I hope realise that
Thinking it inappropriate for commercial companies to piggyback self promotions on to health messages (lets face it KK's main motivation is to increase their sales) is not being anti vax.
Nor, from me individually, is their any unfairness about it - I am vaccianated and I wouldnt eat a KK donut every day even if it were free.
I am not posting from personal perspective, in that sense.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Getting back to the OP's original question, Krispy Kreme giving away donuts is one thing, but if bars, pubs, and other drinking establishments said "Show your vax card, and the first one is on the house!"...I guarantee the line outside the health department waiting to get vaxxed would be quite a bit longer than it already is. And that's a good thing!
In fact, I'm just fine with all the businesses, events, etc. that we've all been missing out on for the last year doing whatever they can to encourage the vaccine program! It still remains YOUR choice whether you partake or not.
Totally disagree. A $3 or so drink, doughnut etc is not going to do one thing change anyone's mind about getting a vaccine.
So somebody actually disagreed with this idea... that didn't age well. Just a sampling:
Bud, beer, donuts, baseball, and savings bonds, Sam Adams, state, city, and county governments kicking in whatever, etc., etc.,
Like the poster up-thread said... WE. WANT. THIS. OVER!
And if anyone thinks these giveaways are the difference maker in someone getting vaxed I have some nice ocean view property in Iowa for sale cheap. They'd make a perfect buyer.
Somebody "should" do surveys and an analysis comparing vaccination rates where these promotions exist against similar places where they don't.
My guess is promotions like this will have a non zero effect, I'd be surprised if it was more than 1%. I know people are impulsive and make weird decisions sometimes. Most people either took or won't take the vaccine because theirs seems like the obvious choice to them, others are waiting and watching, some are teetering on the fence, some find shiny things very compelling.2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Getting back to the OP's original question, Krispy Kreme giving away donuts is one thing, but if bars, pubs, and other drinking establishments said "Show your vax card, and the first one is on the house!"...I guarantee the line outside the health department waiting to get vaxxed would be quite a bit longer than it already is. And that's a good thing!
In fact, I'm just fine with all the businesses, events, etc. that we've all been missing out on for the last year doing whatever they can to encourage the vaccine program! It still remains YOUR choice whether you partake or not.
Totally disagree. A $3 or so drink, doughnut etc is not going to do one thing change anyone's mind about getting a vaccine.
So somebody actually disagreed with this idea... that didn't age well. Just a sampling:
Bud, beer, donuts, baseball, and savings bonds, Sam Adams, state, city, and county governments kicking in whatever, etc., etc.,
Like the poster up-thread said... WE. WANT. THIS. OVER!
And if anyone thinks these giveaways are the difference maker in someone getting vaxed I have some nice ocean view property in Iowa for sale cheap. They'd make a perfect buyer.
Yeah, I didn't take it as a bribe or incentive to get a vaccine because ... it's a donut, but more of a "thank you" after.3 -
Here's your incentive: Rowan University offers $1000 to students to get COVID vaccine;2
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If the purpose of the vaccine is to benefit individuals by making them immune, it's kind of dumb to pay them to take it.
If the purpose is to benefit everyone by reducing the spread and the pressure on the medical system enough that we can go a long way back towards normal, it's probably a good idea to pay people to take the vaccine.4 -
NorthCascades wrote: »If the purpose of the vaccine is to benefit individuals by making them immune, it's kind of dumb to pay them to take it.
If the purpose is to benefit everyone by reducing the spread and the pressure on the medical system enough that we can go a long way back towards normal, it's probably a good idea to pay people to take the vaccine.
And this is the bottom line, more or less.
We
Want
To
Get
Out
Of
This
Nightmare
The economic disaster this has caused is no less concerning than the medical system failure or the government's missteps. Just whatever it takes. If it even influences 100 people, that's 100 fewer vectors out there.6 -
paperpudding wrote: »But still:
I know that there a people who object to this kind of promotion simply because they find it somehow unseemly, for reasons having nothing to do with supporting the vaccination or not.
However, it amuses me to see some people, a subset of the anti-vaccine contingent, who oppose these promotions because it's *so unfair* that their choice not to be vaccinated has actual consequences, even when the consequences are so absolutely trivial as not getting a free donut quite as often.
am quoting your post, really just to springboard my point than to disagree or agree with
you in particular.
There seems to have crept in, in last page or so, a presumption that people who are against this sort of promotion are anti vax.
Not so at all.
I am certainly not anti vax and anyone following my posts on other threads would I hope realise that
Thinking it inappropriate for commercial companies to piggyback self promotions on to health messages (lets face it KK's main motivation is to increase their sales) is not being anti vax.
Nor, from me individually, is their any unfairness about it - I am vaccianated and I wouldnt eat a KK donut every day even if it were free.
I am not posting from personal perspective, in that sense.
I'm sure no one thinks you are anti vax. The thread was bumped after it had been quiet for nearly a week by someone who appears to be anti vax (and was using another thread to make anti vax arguments). That's why the responses reflect that.0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »YellowD0gs wrote: »Getting back to the OP's original question, Krispy Kreme giving away donuts is one thing, but if bars, pubs, and other drinking establishments said "Show your vax card, and the first one is on the house!"...I guarantee the line outside the health department waiting to get vaxxed would be quite a bit longer than it already is. And that's a good thing!
In fact, I'm just fine with all the businesses, events, etc. that we've all been missing out on for the last year doing whatever they can to encourage the vaccine program! It still remains YOUR choice whether you partake or not.
Totally disagree. A $3 or so drink, doughnut etc is not going to do one thing change anyone's mind about getting a vaccine.
So somebody actually disagreed with this idea... that didn't age well. Just a sampling:
Bud, beer, donuts, baseball, and savings bonds, Sam Adams, state, city, and county governments kicking in whatever, etc., etc.,
Like the poster up-thread said... WE. WANT. THIS. OVER!
And if anyone thinks these giveaways are the difference maker in someone getting vaxed I have some nice ocean view property in Iowa for sale cheap. They'd make a perfect buyer.
Yeah, I didn't take it as a bribe or incentive to get a vaccine because ... it's a donut, but more of a "thank you" after.
Yeah, exactly this.0 -
Perhaps the answer isn't donuts.
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/995340998/the-offer-of-free-beer-may-help-lagging-vaccination-rate
(one minute audio).
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