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SummerSkier wrote: »I have a pretty good friend willing to give up an Alaska cruise in Sept and forfeit airline tickets because she will not get vaccinated. The reason given is that we are all guinea pigs until the FDA provides full approval. I asked if she would get vaccinated if the full FDA bells and whistles happens. The answer was "the jury is still out". Anyway I understand it's a totally personal decision at this point, and altho I thought it was a little bit rude to call me a guinea pig I decided to try to change the subject vs have an argument. Unfortunately she proceeded to say that 4000 people had died of the vaccine. I hesitate to confirm or deny because I don't know what data they are quoting? 4K for ALL vaccines world wide? I don't think that would be accurate for just the US? Anyway, she ended up getting mad at me anyway because I told her I didn't want to argue.... What's odd is that she is not antivaxx just I think scared of this new one and how fast it came to market. And she loves to travel....the whole thing makes me sad tho.
I think she's confusing deaths that have been reported to VAERS after vaccination as required by the FDA and deaths that after review have been confirmed to be linked to the vaccine. Roughly 5,000 deaths have been reported after vaccine to VAERS. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case and only three deaths have been confirmed to be related to the vaccine...all three were a result of blood clots after receiving the J&J vaccine. This out of 309M vaccine doses given in the US.
Conversely, the virus itself has killed roughly 600K people in the US.21 -
Anyone else got mixed doses of Pfizer and Moderna?
I got both Pfizer but my kids got Pfizer first and then Moderna ... the great Canadian vaccine experiment continues. I mean it's a new vaccine for everyone but Canada is sure pushing the uncertainty more than most countries.
They are telling us to take whatever is available, which right now seems to be only Moderna.
I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.10 -
Susie. Thank you, that is reassuring. It did seem like a big free for all but what does one know from the other side of the pond. Thank you.
I should have read on. Child marriage is possible in some states!!! I'm glad I live here and not in one of those states.
I think you are jumping to conclusions about what is going on and how different it is from the UK:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-marriage-british-girls-b1812608.html
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/may/04/child-marriage-thriving-in-uk-due-to-legal-loophole-warn-rights-groups#:~:text=1 month old-,Child marriage 'thriving in UK' due to,legal loophole, warn rights groups&text=Furthermore, there is no legal,taking place – at any age.4 -
Anyone else got mixed doses of Pfizer and Moderna?
I got both Pfizer but my kids got Pfizer first and then Moderna ... the great Canadian vaccine experiment continues. I mean it's a new vaccine for everyone but Canada is sure pushing the uncertainty more than most countries. They are telling us to take whatever is available, which right now seems to be only Moderna.
I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.
I've seen some stuff suggesting that mixing might even be better, although who knows. I don't think there's been any reason to do mixed in the US, so I'm not aware of anyone who has gotten that here. I got both Pfizer.6 -
SummerSkier wrote: »I have a pretty good friend willing to give up an Alaska cruise in Sept and forfeit airline tickets because she will not get vaccinated. The reason given is that we are all guinea pigs until the FDA provides full approval. I asked if she would get vaccinated if the full FDA bells and whistles happens. The answer was "the jury is still out". Anyway I understand it's a totally personal decision at this point, and altho I thought it was a little bit rude to call me a guinea pig I decided to try to change the subject vs have an argument. Unfortunately she proceeded to say that 4000 people had died of the vaccine. I hesitate to confirm or deny because I don't know what data they are quoting? 4K for ALL vaccines world wide? I don't think that would be accurate for just the US? Anyway, she ended up getting mad at me anyway because I told her I didn't want to argue.... What's odd is that she is not antivaxx just I think scared of this new one and how fast it came to market. And she loves to travel....the whole thing makes me sad tho.
Sorry about you having to deal with this "friend," Bon. I am glad to be a guinea pig if that means avoiding COVID and all the variants floating around. More than 600.000 people died of Covid-19 infection.
US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy says he is concerned that the Detla variant of Covid-19 is behind the rise in cases of coronavirus in the US and warned that the unvaccinated are at risk because it spreads faster than any known variant.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/06/30/dr-vivek-murthy-surgeon-general-covid-19-delta-variant-sot-vpx-newday.cnn6 -
I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.
That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.2 -
I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.
That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.
That was our concern too but when it came down to getting a shot or waiting for Pfizer they chose to take the shot. If there are travel problems down the line I guess they will deal with it then - but given the info from the CDC I don't anticipate there being an issue.
"If two doses of different mRNA COVID-19 vaccine products are administered in these situations (or inadvertently), no additional doses of either product are recommended at this time. Such persons are considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 ≥2 weeks after receipt of the second dose of an mRNA vaccine." -- CDC website
And our 2nd vaccine receipts both say the same thing "You have received 2 valid dose(s)" so I think they are good to go.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »cmhubbard92 wrote: »I got married in February. Instead of worrying about a venue, we decorated my in-laws house and had a small wedding there. It was beautiful, personal, and our guests(close family and a few friends) were on board for wearing masks despite most of them being fully vaccinated. My mother-in-law made me a beautiful mask using lace from her wedding dress and wearing masks did not disrupt our day. We took it off while eating/drinking, while taking some photos, and during the ceremony(JOP requested it so people could hear us better, but it was a very quick ceremony, and sealing the deal would have been quite unusual). I wouldn't have changed anything, except for being able to have my brother there with us; CA and CT both had tough restrictions, and his return to work would have been more complicated due to their covid policies. Fortunately, we were able to video call him to watch the wedding, and that was perfect.
Unless the reason you will have to reschedule is due to size limitations, I would still keep the date. Masks are not going to ruin the entire day, and if people don't want to wear them while supporting the bride and groom, then they don't seem very supportive, IMHO.
here in Ontario (where I think 33gail33 is from) we have not been able to meet with people from outside our household for months. we have been on lockdown since last November and could literally not meet with anyone we don't live with - in or outside. And yes, police have been called on people who have others over - it is absolute insanity here with no real end in sight. that being said, some of those restrictions MAY be easing up in the next month or two, but I would imagine it is hard for someone to plan on having a wedding having no idea if that would even be legal at the time (even in a private home).
Well that's very different from the post that started this subthread, which only mentioned mask mandates and nothing about not being allowed to gather or even a limit on the number who could gather.
Well I said there was a mask mandate in place, I didn't specify exactly every restriction that entailed.
I am surprised so many people would be OK with having a wedding that way, and I suspect that if was their wedding they might have a different view.
We went to a christening last summer with the mask mandate in place. So we sat at a table with our household (husband, daughter, son and fiancee), ate our meal, the parents came by to thank us for coming, and no interaction with anyone else. I said when we left that we might as well have just stayed home and ate it wasn't like a social event. The idea of paying $20,000 + for a wedding reception under those circumstances seems ridiculous to me. But to each their own I guess.
Actually, I've been to too many weddings in non-Covid times that were like that -- plated meals served to people in assigned seats, grouped as much as possible with the people they already know and see frequently, with no dancing, and the bride and groom trooping by the tables for a minute or two each to thank people for coming.
When I've been in a position where friends sought my input during the reception planning stage, I've had mothers of the bride look at me as though I was trying to burn the church down when I'd suggest a buffet and a venue with space and music for dancing, which is pretty much what all of the "fun" wedding receptions I've ever been to were like.7 -
Jenilla - I'm in the UK. Were registrars and specific persons are required to hold marriage ceremonies. Where unless one pays additional fees for a special licence one waits three weeks while the licence is posted. Similar, probably coming from "the "bands being" read in churches here. When persons in the community can raise objections, just causes and impediments. Registrars have training to spot problematic registrations. Mainly this comes from persons requiring, "marriages of convenience" to achieve "right to stay" having married someone British born. The UK system is so hot, or tries to be hot on marriages of convenience that many, persons who are deeply committed to each other over many years are forced to endure years of separation until the non Brit party is permitted to join their British born partners. None of that relates to how I read the other poster, its just UK background.
Someone, not you, jenilla. Said in their state they can go out in the yard and say or do something then submit some paperwork which means they are married. This read as an open opportunity for the exploitation and violation of a person who needs their rights protected.
I think the US have age restrictions in some states which restrict the age at which alcohol can be taken for example and driving licences held. Those States restrictions probably also include age restrictions for marriages. Over many years now young school aged girls have been taken from the UK to other countries where they are entered into (forced) marriages, ones for which they are not deemed legally old enough to consent too, arranged ones at ages which are totally inappropriate according to UK law. We have Child Protection legislation to cover these and other situations with appropriate action being taken to hopefully keep the children safe.
Reading of persons being able to go into their back yards in some parts of the US and then provide paperwork to the, effect the parties are now married. This may be all well and good as long as the parties are in total agreement in what they are signing up for. There can be situations where one or other of the parties is/are being coerced, subjugated to the wants/needs of another even others, at determent to themselves, it becomes abusive.
In the last 18months with our lockdowns and covid restrictions, I've been becoming aware so much more of exploitative, not always marriages, where coercive control/abusive relationships otherwise known as Domestic Violence are some poor persons reality.
To me, being able to say a few words in your back yard, then giving signatures, however they were obtained, which are then simplistically accepted and rubber stamped just screamed the opportunity for this Domestic Violence. Like I said, I'm deeply relieved for the above reasons, that this has no place in our society.
In the U.S., there's plenty enough domestic violence, sexually abused minors, and girls married to men who, legally speaking, raped them before marrying them that occurs totally outside of "backyard marriages." I would suspect if occurs hundreds of times more often in marriages performed in court houses and houses of worship than in marriages performed in someone's backyard. Then once someone underage is married, they can't legally file for divorce in some states because they're still children. Focusing on backyard marriages is like worrying about the sale of slingshots during a gun violence epidemic, or about the leaky faucet dripping in your bathtub when the winds have roof off your house during a hurricane or derecho.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/13/behind-gaetz-scandal-theres-bigger-issue-most-states-have-loopholes-that-let-men-exploit-teen-girls/
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SummerSkier wrote: »I have a pretty good friend willing to give up an Alaska cruise in Sept and forfeit airline tickets because she will not get vaccinated. The reason given is that we are all guinea pigs until the FDA provides full approval. I asked if she would get vaccinated if the full FDA bells and whistles happens. The answer was "the jury is still out". Anyway I understand it's a totally personal decision at this point, and altho I thought it was a little bit rude to call me a guinea pig I decided to try to change the subject vs have an argument. Unfortunately she proceeded to say that 4000 people had died of the vaccine. I hesitate to confirm or deny because I don't know what data they are quoting? 4K for ALL vaccines world wide? I don't think that would be accurate for just the US? Anyway, she ended up getting mad at me anyway because I told her I didn't want to argue.... What's odd is that she is not antivaxx just I think scared of this new one and how fast it came to market. And she loves to travel....the whole thing makes me sad tho.
Sorry about you having to deal with this "friend," Bon. I am glad to be a guinea pig if that means avoiding COVID and all the variants floating around. More than 600.000 people died of Covid-19 infection.
US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy says he is concerned that the Detla variant of Covid-19 is behind the rise in cases of coronavirus in the US and warned that the unvaccinated are at risk because it spreads faster than any known variant.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/06/30/dr-vivek-murthy-surgeon-general-covid-19-delta-variant-sot-vpx-newday.cnn
With both Moderna shots I have a 12% risk if exposed the Delta variant that has raised cane in India.
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I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.
That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.
This has been my main concern and I'm not sure enough people have considered it (or maybe they don't care about travel like us?) There are definitely countries that are not accepting mix and match as proof of vaccine - Barbados is one. I haven't looked into every country's requirements though and they may change as time goes on and research does come out, but I am certainly not willing risking not being able to get into a country because I did the mix and match method.3 -
Anyone else got mixed doses of Pfizer and Moderna?
I got both Pfizer but my kids got Pfizer first and then Moderna ... the great Canadian vaccine experiment continues. I mean it's a new vaccine for everyone but Canada is sure pushing the uncertainty more than most countries. They are telling us to take whatever is available, which right now seems to be only Moderna.
I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.
you can say that again! while mix and match may be the least of our problems, don't forget about us spreading the doses 4 months apart instead of the recommended 21 days and using expired vaccines! Oh Canada!4 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »I checked the CDC website and although they don't recommend mixing vaccines, they do consider those who have had two different mRNA vaccines to be fully vaccinated, so that is encouraging.
That's good news. I don't know what I will end up getting for my second but my first was Moderna and we may be back into Pfizer supply (and short of Moderna) by the time of my appointment. I don't see a problem with efficacy, my concern was whether or not mixed brands would qualify for "vaccinated" status for international travel.
This has been my main concern and I'm not sure enough people have considered it (or maybe they don't care about travel like us?) There are definitely countries that are not accepting mix and match as proof of vaccine - Barbados is one. I haven't looked into every country's requirements though and they may change as time goes on and research does come out, but I am certainly not willing risking not being able to get into a country because I did the mix and match method.
My daughter is a flight attendant (currently laid off of course) so they are gonna have to figure it out for international travel. Personally I think that two mRNA will end up being acceptable - but I could be wrong. And at least a million people got AZ and then Moderna (my sister is one of them - Trudeau might be as well?), so I can't imagine the gov't would just leave us hanging like that. (I think that some European countries are also doing the AZ/mRNA mix now)
I think that there are going to have to be international agreements worked out for what is acceptable, and if your country provides you with documentation stating we are fully vaccinated I think (hope?) most countries would accept that.
Like I posted before the 2nd vaccine receipt states on the bottom "you have received 2 valid doses" so I don't know that they would even check to see what kind you got for your first dose.
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SummerSkier wrote: »I have a pretty good friend willing to give up an Alaska cruise in Sept and forfeit airline tickets because she will not get vaccinated. The reason given is that we are all guinea pigs until the FDA provides full approval. I asked if she would get vaccinated if the full FDA bells and whistles happens. The answer was "the jury is still out". Anyway I understand it's a totally personal decision at this point, and altho I thought it was a little bit rude to call me a guinea pig I decided to try to change the subject vs have an argument. Unfortunately she proceeded to say that 4000 people had died of the vaccine. I hesitate to confirm or deny because I don't know what data they are quoting? 4K for ALL vaccines world wide? I don't think that would be accurate for just the US? Anyway, she ended up getting mad at me anyway because I told her I didn't want to argue.... What's odd is that she is not antivaxx just I think scared of this new one and how fast it came to market. And she loves to travel....the whole thing makes me sad tho.
Think of it this way. In this study published in 2018, the mortality rate in nursing home was 31.8% per year:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6143238/
So, nursing home residents get vaccinated in Phase 1. Some die. They were going to die anyway and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the vaccine.
Comparing death rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated people is not a valid comparison because at risk people were prioritized for vaccinations, and they have a higher normal death rate.
Here's where the 4000 deaths figure came from, and the debunking thereof. My anti-vax aunt has been citing this as well:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-reported-vaccine-deaths-have-not-been-confirmed-or-deemed-causal-by-cdc-idUSL1N2MZ2H811 -
Great news here in North QLD. Our 3 day lockdown is over tonight! The young lady that brought Delta Covid here on holidays apparently didn't spread it around which I find hard to believe but happy about it. Wish we could put up a gate to keep the riff raff out till we are vax'd.11
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https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-19-changes-blood-cells/
After dealing with 5 months of serious blood clots first in the left leg then the right plus spending Easter weekend in ICU to clear their fragments from both lungs yet doctors could find no known causes I found this article helpful.7 -
Sorry to just pop in from time to time, but I've been incredibly busy.
We were talking about this a while back. How most businesses will go back to work with some sort of hybrid system. This is talking about the long-term effect on commercial real estate. I don't see that as a terrible thing, though I'm in, at least in part, Construction recruiting. I'd love to see all the extra office space turned into more affordable housing in these cities.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-u-companies-spend-billions-170956481.html
We even talked about this very thing a while ago. About this part, can I just say, double yuch. People are SUCH slobs at work. I would absolutely detest sharing a cubicle with multiple people.
Still, the pandemic has accelerated changes that had been afoot for some time. Vocon, an architecture firm, designed offices before the pandemic that had 20% of employees at so-called hot desks, where multiple workers use a single physical work station at different times. Now, said Vocon, some clients are allocating more than 40% for what can be shared space.2 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry to just pop in from time to time, but I've been incredibly busy.
We were talking about this a while back. How most businesses will go back to work with some sort of hybrid system. This is talking about the long-term effect on commercial real estate. I don't see that as a terrible thing, though I'm in, at least in part, Construction recruiting. I'd love to see all the extra office space turned into more affordable housing in these cities.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-u-companies-spend-billions-170956481.html
We even talked about this very thing a while ago. About this part, can I just say, double yuch. People are SUCH slobs at work. I would absolutely detest sharing a cubicle with multiple people.
Still, the pandemic has accelerated changes that had been afoot for some time. Vocon, an architecture firm, designed offices before the pandemic that had 20% of employees at so-called hot desks, where multiple workers use a single physical work station at different times. Now, said Vocon, some clients are allocating more than 40% for what can be shared space.
I would not be ok with this either, but I have to think this is more common in something like a call center and less common elsewhere. Most in the offices where I've worked are working during the day. I'm in manufacturing and production workers share a "workstation" over multiple shifts. Usually there are 5S/6S practices in place to help make this work effectively.
Where I am now, we are very tight on office space. I have my own office with a window and a door and some others have cubicles. A few of the cubicle people and a couple offices are not yet hired (new plant), so they are used by multiple people on different days (corporate visitors, contractors). As we get to full staffing, we will need fewer visitors, so those workspaces will become used by a single person. I would dislike using a space for just a shift and having to bring in / remove personal items for the day. But we do have a great cleaning staff and those (currently) shared workspaces are cleaned well between uses.6 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Sorry to just pop in from time to time, but I've been incredibly busy.
We were talking about this a while back. How most businesses will go back to work with some sort of hybrid system. This is talking about the long-term effect on commercial real estate. I don't see that as a terrible thing, though I'm in, at least in part, Construction recruiting. I'd love to see all the extra office space turned into more affordable housing in these cities.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-u-companies-spend-billions-170956481.html
We even talked about this very thing a while ago. About this part, can I just say, double yuch. People are SUCH slobs at work. I would absolutely detest sharing a cubicle with multiple people.
Still, the pandemic has accelerated changes that had been afoot for some time. Vocon, an architecture firm, designed offices before the pandemic that had 20% of employees at so-called hot desks, where multiple workers use a single physical work station at different times. Now, said Vocon, some clients are allocating more than 40% for what can be shared space.
I would not be ok with this either, but I have to think this is more common in something like a call center and less common elsewhere. Most in the offices where I've worked are working during the day. I'm in manufacturing and production workers share a "workstation" over multiple shifts. Usually there are 5S/6S practices in place to help make this work effectively.
Where I am now, we are very tight on office space. I have my own office with a window and a door and some others have cubicles. A few of the cubicle people and a couple offices are not yet hired (new plant), so they are used by multiple people on different days (corporate visitors, contractors). As we get to full staffing, we will need fewer visitors, so those workspaces will become used by a single person. I would dislike using a space for just a shift and having to bring in / remove personal items for the day. But we do have a great cleaning staff and those (currently) shared workspaces are cleaned well between uses.
It wouldn't bother me that much, although it's not likely something I'll be facing, as I started working from home in 2019 (my company's decision to save them money on office leasing). At the time they said we could have occasional use of something like a hot desk as necessary in the much-reduced office space they continued to lease, but there was never any procedure established for requesting that.
For decades before covid (when I had an office and when I didn't), I had to work from any space I could find both when traveling and when going to local venues for various business-related meetings and events: on subways, in coffee shops, chairs in hotel lobbies, on the floor ... Anytime I had a designated flat surface for my laptop with a chair and electricity in a space that I didn't have to worry somebody would tell me I needed to vacate, I felt like worklife was good.4 -
If this doesn't awake people I don't know what will...
In Maryland, every person who died of Covid-19 in June was unvaccinated. That's not an aberration, experts say
Last month, 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.
In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday.
"So far it's confirming what we saw with Phase 3 clinical trials: That all of the vaccines authorized for emergency use give extra protection against hospitalizations and deaths, so this has been confirmed now in very practical settings over the past year," Hotez added. "It's a reminder that you have every reason to get vaccinated."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html
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If this doesn't awake people I don't know what will...
In Maryland, every person who died of Covid-19 in June was unvaccinated. That's not an aberration, experts say
Last month, 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.
In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday.
"So far it's confirming what we saw with Phase 3 clinical trials: That all of the vaccines authorized for emergency use give extra protection against hospitalizations and deaths, so this has been confirmed now in very practical settings over the past year," Hotez added. "It's a reminder that you have every reason to get vaccinated."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html
@Gisel2015 Don't count on it because that would require the use of logic.8 -
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Canada:
-pharmacy chains are sending out email blasts advertising that they have "Moderna" in stock, make an appointment.
-was it three or four weeks ago, in the grocery store, the pharmacy was advertising free FIRST shots of Pfizer to anyone over 12 *without* an appointment, come on down.
-in Alberta, as an out of province visitor, seeking a second vaccine to avoid waiting till I'm back at my province of residence, I called in on Thursday evening and was given an appointment... for my choice of: Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday...
*all that concerned them was that the minimum time had passed since the first dose (I was at 58 days, so yes)
*got Pfizer yesterday which matched my first one
*I asked and they indicated that walk ins were perfectly acceptable. The vaccination centre is in a 50 to 100K people town
I was also told yesterday by someone that "they haven't had a vaccine yet because they're having trouble booking one"
At the vaccination centre they asked me to remove my "used" mask that I came in with and gave me a new one... handed out with metal tongs, after I had sanitized my hands after removing my original mask and before proceeding past the entrance door. Every single employee (and customer) at the grocery store.... no mask at all, except for one employee! rage:11 -
Canada:
-pharmacy chains are sending out email blasts advertising that they have "Moderna" in stock, make an appointment.
-was it three or four weeks ago, in the grocery store, the pharmacy was advertising free FIRST shots of Pfizer to anyone over 12 *without* an appointment, come on down.
-in Alberta, as an out of province visitor, seeking a second vaccine to avoid waiting till I'm back at my province of residence, I called in on Thursday evening and was given an appointment... for my choice of: Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday...
*all that concerned them was that the minimum time had passed since the first dose (I was at 58 days, so yes)
*got Pfizer yesterday which matched my first one
*they indicated that walk ins were perfectly acceptable. The vaccination centre is in a 50 to100K people town
I was also told yesterday by someone that "they haven't had a vaccine yet because they're having trouble booking one"
Every single employee (and customer) at the grocery store was not wearing a mask!
It varies so much by province. In Ontario I couldn't even book my second until June 28th, based on the date of my first shot (which was based on my age), and my appointment is July 20th. Yet I kept hearing about my same-age and younger peers walking into pharmacies and getting their second shot so I looked into it online but it was the same story, I didn't qualify until June 28th. And the health district next to ours was just giving shots to anyone and everyone provided the 28 days had elapsed since the first.
Our mask requirements haven't changed but it seems to be something they're looking at now.
At least we've hit our targets for stage 3 reopening, and six days early!4 -
Canada:
-pharmacy chains are sending out email blasts advertising that they have "Moderna" in stock, make an appointment.
-was it three or four weeks ago, in the grocery store, the pharmacy was advertising free FIRST shots of Pfizer to anyone over 12 *without* an appointment, come on down.
-in Alberta, as an out of province visitor, seeking a second vaccine to avoid waiting till I'm back at my province of residence, I called in on Thursday evening and was given an appointment... for my choice of: Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday...
*all that concerned them was that the minimum time had passed since the first dose (I was at 58 days, so yes)
*got Pfizer yesterday which matched my first one
*they indicated that walk ins were perfectly acceptable. The vaccination centre is in a 50 to100K people town
I was also told yesterday by someone that "they haven't had a vaccine yet because they're having trouble booking one"
Every single employee (and customer) at the grocery store was not wearing a mask!
It varies so much by province. In Ontario I couldn't even book my second until June 28th, based on the date of my first shot (which was based on my age), and my appointment is July 20th. Yet I kept hearing about my same-age and younger peers walking into pharmacies and getting their second shot so I looked into it online but it was the same story, I didn't qualify until June 28th. And the health district next to ours was just giving shots to anyone and everyone provided the 28 days had elapsed since the first.
Our mask requirements haven't changed but it seems to be something they're looking at now.
At least we've hit our targets for stage 3 reopening, and six days early!
Yeah my daughter (27) was eligible as well June 28 and got hers on the 30th. My son was the last in our family to get his and that was last Monday.
Maybe we have more options available in our area but we haven’t had any problems getting in quick.1 -
yet over here with the numbers of delta version rising madly mostly in the young with hospitalisations rising, true not as fast in previous up risings and the dreaded death tole across the UK is now at 35 per day or not dissimilar to numbers back in January.
So our government is going ahead with opening up everything to normal or so the media hype goes from next Monday. Naturally the majority of the cases are in the young, the last people on the "need to vaccine" list. How many of them will go on to develop long covid heaven knows. On the other hand we do have highly knowledgeable medics and scientists saying, opening up, back to normal style is unsafe to say the least.
Tonight we have the final in the latest football thing. Its England v Italy. Only 60,000 supporters. not all vaccinated nor tested from what I can see/read. I believe it should be free of supporters because some "england" supporters at the last, the semi final booed at the singing of the Italy National Anthem. Even more deplorable some thoughtless person shone a green, laser light at the Italian goal keeper when he was defending a goal kick! This is not what I expect of my country people. In the previous round, travel was restricted and I believe testing was required.
When Scotland played in London a couple of weeks ago, thought supporters were told not to travel without stadium seats the streets were full of supporters. Shortly after, 5 days, not more than 10, a spike of covid cases were reported across Scotland!
I feel as if the lock downs we have been through, many think entered into too late, will have been for nothing after all.
I know there are many other countries who are still suffering high case numbers and will do so till they have access to the vaccine in great enough numbers too. I doubt they are going out of their way to find the virus and take it home with them as "we" football supporters in England seem to be doing.9 -
yet over here with the numbers of delta version rising madly mostly in the young with hospitalisations rising, true not as fast in previous up risings and the dreaded death tole across the UK is now at 35 per day or not dissimilar to numbers back in January.
So our government is going ahead with opening up everything to normal or so the media hype goes from next Monday. Naturally the majority of the cases are in the young, the last people on the "need to vaccine" list. How many of them will go on to develop long covid heaven knows. On the other hand we do have highly knowledgeable medics and scientists saying, opening up, back to normal style is unsafe to say the least.
Tonight we have the final in the latest football thing. Its England v Italy. Only 60,000 supporters. not all vaccinated nor tested from what I can see/read. I believe it should be free of supporters because some "england" supporters at the last, the semi final booed at the singing of the Italy National Anthem. Even more deplorable some thoughtless person shone a green, laser light at the Italian goal keeper when he was defending a goal kick! This is not what I expect of my country people. In the previous round, travel was restricted and I believe testing was required.
When Scotland played in London a couple of weeks ago, thought supporters were told not to travel without stadium seats the streets were full of supporters. Shortly after, 5 days, not more than 10, a spike of covid cases were reported across Scotland!
I feel as if the lock downs we have been through, many think entered into too late, will have been for nothing after all.
I know there are many other countries who are still suffering high case numbers and will do so till they have access to the vaccine in great enough numbers too. I doubt they are going out of their way to find the virus and take it home with them as "we" football supporters in England seem to be doing.
I was thinking about this and at some point you get to the scenario where everyone who is going to get vaccinated has been - and then what do you do? It’s going to happen here shortly.
At that point there is really not much choice but to open up, and let those who refuse the vaccine take their chances. You can’t keep the 80% of people who went out and got their shots with the “promise” of a “normal” life locked down forever. The other option is mandating the vaccine, but I don’t see that happening. Or I guess make different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people - maybe if their life difficult enough they will get it.11 -
yet over here with the numbers of delta version rising madly mostly in the young with hospitalisations rising, true not as fast in previous up risings and the dreaded death tole across the UK is now at 35 per day or not dissimilar to numbers back in January.
So our government is going ahead with opening up everything to normal or so the media hype goes from next Monday. Naturally the majority of the cases are in the young, the last people on the "need to vaccine" list. How many of them will go on to develop long covid heaven knows. On the other hand we do have highly knowledgeable medics and scientists saying, opening up, back to normal style is unsafe to say the least.
Tonight we have the final in the latest football thing. Its England v Italy. Only 60,000 supporters. not all vaccinated nor tested from what I can see/read. I believe it should be free of supporters because some "england" supporters at the last, the semi final booed at the singing of the Italy National Anthem. Even more deplorable some thoughtless person shone a green, laser light at the Italian goal keeper when he was defending a goal kick! This is not what I expect of my country people. In the previous round, travel was restricted and I believe testing was required.
When Scotland played in London a couple of weeks ago, thought supporters were told not to travel without stadium seats the streets were full of supporters. Shortly after, 5 days, not more than 10, a spike of covid cases were reported across Scotland!
I feel as if the lock downs we have been through, many think entered into too late, will have been for nothing after all.
I know there are many other countries who are still suffering high case numbers and will do so till they have access to the vaccine in great enough numbers too. I doubt they are going out of their way to find the virus and take it home with them as "we" football supporters in England seem to be doing.
I was thinking about this and at some point you get to the scenario where everyone who is going to get vaccinated has been - and then what do you do? It’s going to happen here shortly.
At that point there is really not much choice but to open up, and let those who refuse the vaccine take their chances. You can’t keep the 80% of people who went out and got their shots with the “promise” of a “normal” life locked down forever. The other option is mandating the vaccine, but I don’t see that happening. Or I guess make different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people - maybe if their life difficult enough they will get it.
exactly this! there are 4000+ variants out there - we cannot continue to lockdown for each one or we will literally spend the rest of our lives rotating in and out of lockdowns!5 -
yet over here with the numbers of delta version rising madly mostly in the young with hospitalisations rising, true not as fast in previous up risings and the dreaded death tole across the UK is now at 35 per day or not dissimilar to numbers back in January.
So our government is going ahead with opening up everything to normal or so the media hype goes from next Monday. Naturally the majority of the cases are in the young, the last people on the "need to vaccine" list. How many of them will go on to develop long covid heaven knows. On the other hand we do have highly knowledgeable medics and scientists saying, opening up, back to normal style is unsafe to say the least.
Tonight we have the final in the latest football thing. Its England v Italy. Only 60,000 supporters. not all vaccinated nor tested from what I can see/read. I believe it should be free of supporters because some "england" supporters at the last, the semi final booed at the singing of the Italy National Anthem. Even more deplorable some thoughtless person shone a green, laser light at the Italian goal keeper when he was defending a goal kick! This is not what I expect of my country people. In the previous round, travel was restricted and I believe testing was required.
When Scotland played in London a couple of weeks ago, thought supporters were told not to travel without stadium seats the streets were full of supporters. Shortly after, 5 days, not more than 10, a spike of covid cases were reported across Scotland!
I feel as if the lock downs we have been through, many think entered into too late, will have been for nothing after all.
I know there are many other countries who are still suffering high case numbers and will do so till they have access to the vaccine in great enough numbers too. I doubt they are going out of their way to find the virus and take it home with them as "we" football supporters in England seem to be doing.
I was thinking about this and at some point you get to the scenario where everyone who is going to get vaccinated has been - and then what do you do? It’s going to happen here shortly.
At that point there is really not much choice but to open up, and let those who refuse the vaccine take their chances. You can’t keep the 80% of people who went out and got their shots with the “promise” of a “normal” life locked down forever. The other option is mandating the vaccine, but I don’t see that happening. Or I guess make different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people - maybe if their life difficult enough they will get it.
Yeah and unfortunately the unvaccinated are going to allow for more spikes, which will cause more breakthrough cases than if we actually got to herd immunity. They'll keep the virus widely circulating and mutating. And if a mutation changes the spike protein, it "could" bypass the vaccine taught antibodies entirely. But barring mind controlling the unvaccinated, I doubt there's anything we can do. In the US at least, there is no way another lockdown will be tolerated. We have to hope the mutations don't change the spike protein, and that the mutations make the virus more transmissible, but much less dangerous.
I feel for families with younger children, and folks taking immuno suppressant meds, no easy answers for them. I personally am still avoiding crowded situations and masking if I can't avoid them. Sparsely populated indoor spaces I don't wear a mask, but if cases start rising in my local area, I'll prob go back to wearing one just in case, I really don't mind it. There's very little chance I'd get anything more than mild illness, but we don't know the long term effects of infection yet and I'd rather not find out firsthand if I can manage it!16 -
yet over here with the numbers of delta version rising madly mostly in the young with hospitalisations rising, true not as fast in previous up risings and the dreaded death tole across the UK is now at 35 per day or not dissimilar to numbers back in January.
So our government is going ahead with opening up everything to normal or so the media hype goes from next Monday. Naturally the majority of the cases are in the young, the last people on the "need to vaccine" list. How many of them will go on to develop long covid heaven knows. On the other hand we do have highly knowledgeable medics and scientists saying, opening up, back to normal style is unsafe to say the least.
Tonight we have the final in the latest football thing. Its England v Italy. Only 60,000 supporters. not all vaccinated nor tested from what I can see/read. I believe it should be free of supporters because some "england" supporters at the last, the semi final booed at the singing of the Italy National Anthem. Even more deplorable some thoughtless person shone a green, laser light at the Italian goal keeper when he was defending a goal kick! This is not what I expect of my country people. In the previous round, travel was restricted and I believe testing was required.
When Scotland played in London a couple of weeks ago, thought supporters were told not to travel without stadium seats the streets were full of supporters. Shortly after, 5 days, not more than 10, a spike of covid cases were reported across Scotland!
I feel as if the lock downs we have been through, many think entered into too late, will have been for nothing after all.
I know there are many other countries who are still suffering high case numbers and will do so till they have access to the vaccine in great enough numbers too. I doubt they are going out of their way to find the virus and take it home with them as "we" football supporters in England seem to be doing.
I was thinking about this and at some point you get to the scenario where everyone who is going to get vaccinated has been - and then what do you do? It’s going to happen here shortly.
At that point there is really not much choice but to open up, and let those who refuse the vaccine take their chances. You can’t keep the 80% of people who went out and got their shots with the “promise” of a “normal” life locked down forever. The other option is mandating the vaccine, but I don’t see that happening. Or I guess make different rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated people - maybe if their life difficult enough they will get it.
Yeah and unfortunately the unvaccinated are going to allow for more spikes, which will cause more breakthrough cases than if we actually got to herd immunity. They'll keep the virus widely circulating and mutating. And if a mutation changes the spike protein, it "could" bypass the vaccine taught antibodies entirely. But barring mind controlling the unvaccinated, I doubt there's anything we can do. In the US at least, there is no way another lockdown will be tolerated. We have to hope the mutations don't change the spike protein, and that the mutations make the virus more transmissible, but much less dangerous.
I feel for families with younger children, and folks taking immuno suppressant meds, no easy answers for them. I personally am still avoiding crowded situations and masking if I can't avoid them. Sparsely populated indoor spaces I don't wear a mask, but if cases start rising in my local area, I'll prob go back to wearing one just in case, I really don't mind it. There's very little chance I'd get anything more than mild illness, but we don't know the long term effects of infection yet and I'd rather not find out firsthand if I can manage it!
Yes. This is terribly frustrating for us. We are all vaccinated in my household except my youngest who is too young (10). And he has autoimmune skin problems. We all are still masking in case any of us getting a breakthrough case might infect my youngest. I had to let my 18-year-old move in with her vaccinated uncle this summer so she could get a job. Because our county is only 28.8% vaccinated. And that's not b/c we don't have ample supply or easy access to appointments. They just refuse to get the shot. So my household is still basically locked down. TN has been wide-open for quite some time. Mask compliance has never been good since the beginning. The best we had was maybe 40% in a few stores like Kroger. We can't even get our teeth cleaned at the dentist b/c the hygienist isn't vaccinated. I'm more than disgusted, but what can I do? We at least have a camping trip coming up at a park at which it is very easy to stay distanced from other campers.
We haven't yet decided how things will work when the vaccination is approved for under 12, and he is fully vaccinated. My inclination is to stop masking and let the onus be on those who refuse to protect themselves, b/c I am tired to protecting a community that just doesn't care. But then I do know that unvaccinated folk are variant-incubators, and I myself have Sjogren's. All I need is to end up with long-Covid from a variant that defies the vaccine. I homeschool and have 4 kids. I don't need to have even MORE Chronic Fatigue than I already do from my autoimmune disease. So in practice, I'll probably still wear a mask when positivity rate is up here.
It's all just sadly a mess that didn't need to be this hard.19
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