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Accelerating the vaccination of young people is probably the best and fastest way to shut down COVID (herd immunity) without having to use a big stick.
If we are going to raise insurance rates for unvaccinated, it should be focused on people >50 yrs old, since they drive hospitalizations. Most people were like me, their COVID case cost a test to verify and one Dr visit (mine was virtual)2 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
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The_Enginerd wrote: »I've seen parts of this post shared in memes mistakenly attributed wholly to Macron, but the sentiment of frustration is shared by many of us that have done our part and are still suffering the burden from the poor choices of those around us. Let those who continue to choose to not be vaccinated suffer the restrictions and burden rather than the rest of us.
https://facebook.com/selvaggia.lucarelli/posts/10158195351935983
I wish I could read the article but it is from FB and I am not a member.5 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »I've seen parts of this post shared in memes mistakenly attributed wholly to Macron, but the sentiment of frustration is shared by many of us that have done our part and are still suffering the burden from the poor choices of those around us. Let those who continue to choose to not be vaccinated suffer the restrictions and burden rather than the rest of us.
https://facebook.com/selvaggia.lucarelli/posts/10158195351935983
I wish I could read the article but it is from FB and I am not a member.
This also happens when some put up articles from newspapers on here and I can't read them since I don't subscribe to them like they do.5 -
Doesn't look good. We are at capacity in our hospital here again and they have been asking for people to volunteer for extra shifts to cover all the extra admits right now due to increased COVID patients.14 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.7 -
At least locally, I feel so uninformed and insecure about everything that's going on now. Before our governor dropped the mask mandate for vaccinated people, I felt much safer and secure in what was happening. Ex., if there were positive cases in town or numbers were on the uptick within state, I heard about it. Now....are people not getting tested as quickly with symptoms, just because some have been vaccinated and feel safer? Are there truly no new cases here? It feels like one week we were still seeing local restaurants shutting down due to workers having Covid or being exposed, or, our local schools were battling new cases, then the next week everything was supposed to be hunky-dory and very few are wearing a mask? I've also noticed some stores are taking down their plastic guards at check-out.
SMH I just don't understand and now regret having been lax since the governor eased up.
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https://www.covid19.nh.gov/
Positivity rate is 2.3%, so it's not just people not getting tested. Only 20 current hospitalizations. NYTimes says 75% over 18 are partially vaxxed and 68% fully (the vax numbers on the site I linked are for everyone, including kids under 12 who are not eligible).
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Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.19 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...5 -
https://www.covid19.nh.gov/
Positivity rate is 2.3%, so it's not just people not getting tested. Only 20 current hospitalizations. NYTimes says 75% over 18 are partially vaxxed and 68% fully (the vax numbers on the site I linked are for everyone, including kids under 12 who are not eligible).
FWIW, I just got tested. I was quite certain I didn't have Covid, though I know I could potentially get it despite being vaxed. However, I had a set of (fairly mild) symptoms that don't routinely cluster together for me, so decided to go the "abundance of caution" route. No known exposure, but had spent some longer times in a couple of restaurant & health care settings recently (the latter fully/constantly masked, of course).
It was mildly annoying, but entirely practical, to stay away from other people until I got a negative test result, which just hit the online portal a few minutes ago.
Like I said, I expected the negative result, but . . . jeez, I'd hate to make assumptions that everything is hunky-dory and have some associate get seriously sick (I see people often who have various health challenges, or have family with such).
Process was easy: Online symptom checker through the portal to self-authorize, drive-through test opportunity anytime within 72 hours of the self-auth, bit of a line at the former auto service center where they have drive-through Covid tests (and a separate, isolated lane for other labs), but it took less than an hour. Never got out of my car. Test results promised in 2-3 days, but showed up in just over 24 hours.12 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...
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Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...
The preliminary study data showed efficacy of the Pfizer shot at six months is 84%. That's down from the 95% peak efficacy, but still quite good.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/07/28/efficacy-of-pfizer-biontech-covid-vaccine-slips-to-84-after-six-months-data-show/5 -
The following changes will take effect on Aug. 16:
Provincial mandatory masking orders will be lifted. Some masking in acute care or continuing care facilities may still be required.
Isolation following a positive COVID-19 test result will no longer be required, but strongly recommended.
Testing will be available for Albertans with symptoms when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions.
Universal masking will not be required in schools once students return.
Alberta population is just under 4.5 million. 5.25 million vaccine doses as of July 27... that's 1.17 per person, we're all good to go!
Nothing to be concerned about, obviously, since I've been vaccinated, right?
But we will be saved by not allowing intercontinental visitors (with full vaccination and testing)... oh... I forgot... no testing will be available unless your doctor sends you to a lab as part of requiring confirmation to better care for you (i.e. you're sick enough that it matters which kind of virus you have).
In the meanwhile while we're tootling along... China is cracking down internally. Inflation here to stay... But we will be saved by not spending all that money on imported masks--right?!
And "people who believe that they should no longer be restricted because they've done their bit by getting vaccinated" face no mandate, or push, to stay isolated, or even wear a mask, while out and about shedding COVID cooties... because it's just like the flu and I have every right to share my flu with you!5 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
Well crap. Wishing her a speedy and complete recovery.6 -
Agree that approving vaccines for school aged children before school starts would be a big step to reduce risk. It's not possible to reach herd immunity without children. It may not be possible with them either given vaccine take rates, but it's definitively not possible without them based on their % of overall population.
I saw a US Congressman prominent person with policy making responsibility on TV last night. He honestly seemed to think not taking the vaccine caused risk only to the person not taking it. He seemed (or pretended to be) totally oblivious to the dynamic wherein spreading = variants. No spread=no variants. How is it even possible for someone with that much responsibility to be so oblivious to infection basics?
In case I'm veering into the political, I'll bring it back to the personal. DD#1 was the 1st vaccinated in our family by virtue of being a 7th grade teacher. Pfizer. She survived a whole year of germy 7th graders without getting sick. But now she is. She was with a friend group over the weekend, all vaccinated, and one tested covid positive yesterday. Awaiting DD's PCR result. Breakthrough infections are becoming more real all the time.
They also need to remove the emergency usage tag and officially approve at least one of the vaccines as soon as they have adequate data. Any administrative or red tape related delays have to be removed, just like they did for the trials. Obviously if they still have questions that need answering it wouldn't be a good look or idea to gloss over that, but a lot of people I know who aren't vaxxed fall back on "I'll get the shot when it's actually approved and not still experimental".
Is your daughter feeling sick, or just has to get tested because of the close contact? There is one unvaxxed woman working on my floor and the company is not enforcing her wearing a mask. I avoid being around her for more than a minute or two, but I've been drawing comfort from figuring even if she gives it to me, I wouldn't have to worry about spreading it to other vaccinated people.
Unfortunately, DD feels really sick -- fever, cough, worsening congestion. Yesterday CDC chief Walensky indicated the delta viral load is sufficiently high that vaccinated people can not only contract covid but also spread it to others. So back to mask wearing in places currently experiencing substantial or high community transmission. ETA: for vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.
When was your daughter vaxxed? It could be that with this new super contagious variant, we're all going to need boosters earlier than we thought...
February 2021
I hope that your daughter gets better soon. Hugs to all.6 -
I just saw this article. Worrisome news. Keep the children safe they are our future.
[b]Arkansas Children's hospitals report record high number of children hospitalized with Covid-19[/b]
The hospitals, located in Little Rock and Springdale, said 24 pediatric patients were hospitalized with Covid-19 on Wednesday, a 50% increase over any previous peak during the pandemic. Of the 24 children, seven are in intensive care and two are on ventilators, the hospital said. More than half of them could have been vaccinated -- anyone 12 and over is eligible for a free shot -- but none of those hospitalized had done so.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/us/arkansas-covid-children/index.html8 -
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/28/la-joya-covid-migrants-whataburger/
This form of COVID-19 exposure at the federal level brothers me even if it speeds up herd immunity. There is lots of poverty in that area based on what I saw 15 years ago. Locally Delta Is spreading. Masks are uncommon.5 -
As of Monday, it seems any of you in the US who are twice vaccinated and wish to come to England are welcome, Scotland and Wales, by default, the English Welsh border is too open to keep effectively closed. Caveats seem to have been added over night, the pre and day 2 testing and the eligible vaccine are ones used here and in the EU, so that makes for more complications. My expectations are there will be more factors added as Monday approaches.
There was no mention of the hoops any who were contemplating travel in this direction might have to go through for there return home. Its not as if our issue with the Delta Variant is over, total numbers had dropped over the previous couple of weeks but in the last accounting week there was another rise. Several ideas have been put forward. Schools are out so the youngsters are not being tested, just to be at home being the principal one.
Another suggestion is persons are not using the UK test and trace app because they fear being pinged to self isolate because it does not differentiate yet between the vaccinated and unvaccinated persons. I was also suggested the app, I think it best I don't mention its name, does not know enough to realise there is a solid wall between two persons effectively in two buildings. Its so complicated.
I think its another two weeks before those twice vaccinated + two weeks, will be able to do tests to ensure they are not affected by any form of the virus its this which is causing delivery difficulties because of the broad brush once pinged you must isolate. 10 days ago the government was said to be providing additional testing support to food transportation industries and other "essential services" but I've not heard of any substantial supported testing being available as yet. It seems like a muddle to me.
I hope the current spikes in cases you're experiencing can be brought under control very soon to keep everyone safe on your side of the pond. Deep Commiserations. Best wishes to you all.6 -
As of Monday, it seems any of you in the US who are twice vaccinated and wish to come to England are welcome, Scotland and Wales, by default, the English Welsh border is too open to keep effectively closed. Caveats seem to have been added over night, the pre and day 2 testing and the eligible vaccine are ones used here and in the EU, so that makes for more complications. My expectations are there will be more factors added as Monday approaches.
There was no mention of the hoops any who were contemplating travel in this direction might have to go through for there return home. Its not as if our issue with the Delta Variant is over, total numbers had dropped over the previous couple of weeks but in the last accounting week there was another rise. Several ideas have been put forward. Schools are out so the youngsters are not being tested, just to be at home being the principal one.
Another suggestion is persons are not using the UK test and trace app because they fear being pinged to self isolate because it does not differentiate yet between the vaccinated and unvaccinated persons. I was also suggested the app, I think it best I don't mention its name, does not know enough to realise there is a solid wall between two persons effectively in two buildings. Its so complicated.
I think its another two weeks before those twice vaccinated + two weeks, will be able to do tests to ensure they are not affected by any form of the virus its this which is causing delivery difficulties because of the broad brush once pinged you must isolate. 10 days ago the government was said to be providing additional testing support to food transportation industries and other "essential services" but I've not heard of any substantial supported testing being available as yet. It seems like a muddle to me.
I hope the current spikes in cases you're experiencing can be brought under control very soon to keep everyone safe on your side of the pond. Deep Commiserations. Best wishes to you all.
any idea why they aren't letting Canadians in under the same rules? Canada has less COVID and higher vaccination rates than the US, so it's a bit of a head scratcher.
only thing I can think it may be related to is our willy-nilly vaccination rules - using expired doses, "mix and match" different types of vaccines, longer intervals than supposed to? but that is a total guess - everything I've seen does not explain why Canadians are being excluded.3 -
I'm very, very sorry, I'm not able to second guess anything that is going on in Downing Street.
For me, I'd favour Canadian consideration, I recognise the Commonwealth. One or was it two countries who opted out rather a long time ago, possibly before the Commonwealth became a thing. I'd like to see the vaccination levels as good as possible throughout everywhere too, we are all safe when as many as are humanly possible to vaccinated are vaccinated.
Now I'm hearing Global Warming is 70 years ahead of what we were told to expect! Humanity is good at prevaricating.2 -
I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).4 -
HoneyBadger302 wrote: »I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).
I personally would still rather be vaxxed, as I have no idea if I'd have a mild illness like you or end up with long covid or something worse, and we have no idea how long the virus hides in your body after infection. I don't see the suggestion that natural immunity is stronger in your link, but I guess it was in one of the other sites you read.
Regardless, that's reassuring as there are lots of people who got covid and are vaccine hesitant.
They've discussed on TWIV that folks who got covid and later got one mRNA shot had a nice strong immune response, and they recommend a one shot mRNA dose for those previously infected. But I didn't note a study name or other source so I can't point you to anything if you're looking for info one way or the other. If they do discuss it again I'll pay more attn to the source! But the vaccine is cleared quickly from the body, so there's little reason to expect long term side effects, it just prompts an immune response and then breaks down.
I think part of the problem is they still aren't sure what the best way to test for immunity is. I know TWIV has mentioned that many of the lab studies that test immune response are measuring antibodies, but t-cell response may actually be more important. Just measuring antibodies circulating in the body isn't a good measurement, as what's important isn't that you currently have antibodies, but that your body knows how to produce them, and does so quickly enough. So they are working on it, but unfortunately that doesn't help you now. I know they can do a blood test to check if you need boosters for other vaccinations, so hopefully they figure it out soon. If infection is conferring adequate immunity, knowing that can only help us figure out how to move forward in the right direction!5 -
HoneyBadger302 wrote: »I'm not against the vaccine, but there are a few recent scientific studies out where they are showing that "natural" immunity (aka, those of us who've had covid) is actually better than the vaccines in terms of re-infection, spreading, and long term protection (T & B cells).
One link here: https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html
I wish that main stream testing for natural immunity would be pushed as hard as the vaccine - I would have no issue (for things like travel and crowd-type events) providing one or the other, but as someone who's had it, I am very hesitant to consider taking a vaccine with no knowledge on the long term side effects when covid had almost no impact on me (other than the loss of smell, I've had worse seasonal allergies).
I personally would still rather be vaxxed, as I have no idea if I'd have a mild illness like you or end up with long covid or something worse, and we have no idea how long the virus hides in your body after infection. I don't see the suggestion that natural immunity is stronger in your link, but I guess it was in one of the other sites you read...
I had a mild illness. It was no big deal, mostly a mild headache and everything tasted like dirt. But in the weeks and months afterwards, I slowly developed worsening problems with my lungs, waking up gasping for air, etc. It kept worsening for at least 6 months after, then it leveled off. I'm getting better gradually, but a year and a half later I still have two inhalers, and I never needed an inhaler before. A mild initial illness doesn't necessarily mean you are in the clear long term.26 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.22 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.
Oh wow, I hope she turns the corner soon and the rest of your family stays well!!
Another reason they should never have eased up on the masking mandates so soon. Most of us are feeling pretty safe to be living life normally again but then reality rears its head. 12 -
Thanks for the well wishes, @Gisel2015 & @kimny72. DD tested positive for Covid. Here is how it happened.
6 girls (22 & 23 yo) spent last weekend together. All fully vaccinated by April 2021. I don't know who had what brand vaccines. DD probably does. She had Pfizer in February. They drove together for 1.5 hours to an outdoor concert on Saturday & back. Spent Sunday together then went back to their respective homes. Monday 3 felt sick and tested positive. She has felt really bad for 5 days and counting.
Repeating myself, it makes "breakthrough infections" seem very real right now.
Oh wow, I hope she turns the corner soon and the rest of your family stays well!!
Another reason they should never have eased up on the masking mandates so soon. Most of us are feeling pretty safe to be living life normally again but then reality rears its head.
With the data available at the time, the vaccine was conferring much less ability for the vaccinated to spread COVID-19 (sterilizing immunity). The guidance was based on the best data available at the time, but I still think it was not communicated well or well thought out as expecting folks to respect the honor system was naive at best.
However, additional data on the Delta variant from a recent outbreak indicates the viral loads, and thus transmissibility, were similar among vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals. This is what drove the CDC to revise it's mask guidance.
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html
Early release study: http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7031e2
I was looking forward to travel internationally and returning to more normal, but this is a disappointing step back. Spain and Portugal were just recently revised to "Do Not Travel" advisory. 12 -
*kitten* *kittens*The_Enginerd wrote: »
https://data.edmonton.ca/Community-Services/COVID-19-in-Alberta-R-values/4vfx-e2qj
Alberta provincewide July 19 to July 25 1.48 confidence interval: 1.38-1.59
Alberta provincewide July 5 to July 11 0.84 confidence interval: 0.74-0.94
Alberta provincewide June 21 to June 27 0.75 confidence interval: 0.69-0.82
So R values doubling in a month... must be VERY good... so good in fact that it is "time for Stage 3 open for the summer"!
And what does that mean? Why that "all other public health measures have been lifted. This includes all restrictions on social gatherings – there are no longer capacity limits on either indoor or outdoor gatherings!" Woohoo!
Let's "bring COVID-19 measures in line with those used for (other) respiratory viruses! Starting August 16 The 10-day isolation period following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory
https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-public-health-actions.aspx
Hey: and about the pesky R value? I have a solution! Indirectly recommended by all those who recognize that you can't have increasing R values if you don't test anyone! Simplez -- right? So we can DO this, now worries! "Testing will no longer be recommended for those with mild symptoms for whom a result will not change their treatment." Well, let's not be unreasonable here, some, testing will be available __with symptoms__,**when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions**10 -
*kitten* *kittens*The_Enginerd wrote: »
https://data.edmonton.ca/Community-Services/COVID-19-in-Alberta-R-values/4vfx-e2qj
Alberta provincewide July 19 to July 25 1.48 confidence interval: 1.38-1.59
Alberta provincewide July 5 to July 11 0.84 confidence interval: 0.74-0.94
Alberta provincewide June 21 to June 27 0.75 confidence interval: 0.69-0.82
So R values doubling in a month... must be VERY good... so good in fact that it is "time for Stage 3 open for the summer"!
And what does that mean? Why that "all other public health measures have been lifted. This includes all restrictions on social gatherings – there are no longer capacity limits on either indoor or outdoor gatherings!" Woohoo!
Let's "bring COVID-19 measures in line with those used for (other) respiratory viruses! Starting August 16 The 10-day isolation period following a positive test result will no longer be mandatory
https://www.alberta.ca/covid-19-public-health-actions.aspx
Hey: and about the pesky R value? I have a solution! Indirectly recommended by all those who recognize that you can't have increasing R values if you don't test anyone! Simplez -- right? So we can DO this, now worries! "Testing will no longer be recommended for those with mild symptoms for whom a result will not change their treatment." Well, let's not be unreasonable here, some, testing will be available __with symptoms__,**when it is needed to help direct patient care decisions**
And let's not forget, this is right on the heels of Kenney wanting to give Alberta nurses a pay cut.3 -
Dealing with Long Covid for 7 months now building Covid-19 resistance the naturally sucks in my view. Having now have both Moderna shots (May/June 2021) I am concerned about my ability to be a super spreader of the Delta varient.10
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