Coronavirus prep
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Thank you, Redordeadhead - Over the last 5 weeks we've phoned several times, and used the site countless times. One young man was very supportive but said he was unable to help at this time but we chatted for quite a while.
Things have changed today. I wrote a letter to the medical practice delivered yesterday. The practice responded today with a phone call. They are, with other practices sweeping up the persons who are unable to achieve appointments. They are picking up people on their list as they become eligible and are the oldest left this far. It seems, if they'd had my mobile phone number, I may have been contact sooner, last time they used the land line. I will supply it so heaven forbid if it were needed again they would have it. We now have an appointment in 17 days, both in the same time slot and where we went before. We will be up to date at long last. It will mean taking one child but that's better than two of them, especially as its the Pfizer again, with the need to sit for 15 minutes afterwards. (We'll take a pile of books, he a real book worm even at 22 months. Ladybirds, "The Living Things" C 1975 48 pages of information with pictures about life forms, showed a chair as having lived and metal items a spanner/ teaspoon scissors as never living, its top of his reading list, page after pace of simple science and all. Phiser is much to my relief because being frozen as its preservative its less likely to have other chemicals floating in it to which I could react. (I've also been tracking down possible reasons for my chemical/salicylate sensitivity and all, making progress, its hard keeping up with the cutting edge of science)
We will update the MP's office with information about length of queues and non existent opportunities, sites seemingly stuck in limbo, when you look for times, how the availability goes down so quickly if you find something, that sort of thing. We were given a list of all places across the county, mostly small Pharmacies, which do provide the Covid vaccines in 1st, 2nd and Booster, even 12 to 16 year olds. Its just many of the places are only doing half a day a fortnight or month. Other places we have not seen in the weeks we've been looking. Will try to improve things for the others5 -
paperpudding wrote: »My take on it is we can't keep getting mass inoculations every six months forever just because there's another variant, and they don't believe that will be necessary
It seems highly likely to me that the long term maintenance will be annual jabs.
Even though immunity might wane somewhat after, say, 9 months, for reasons of real life practicality I think it will be annual thing like flu vaccine.
When reflecting on @kimny72 & @cmriverside's comments re: antibodies providing short term protection while T-/B-cell defenses take about 2-6 months (did I get that right??) post-vaccine to peak, it occurred to me that for the flu vaccine, the waning coverage 6+months post-vaccine coincides with a lull in flu transmission. Peak flu season would be in the period of time protected by antibodies and then peak T-/B-cell training.
I'm pondering whether a similar situation might evolve for covid variants/vaccines. I.e. everyone gets boosted right as indoor transmission is likely to rise, and by the time efficacy wanes (perhaps due to new mutations), we're all spending more time outdoors again. Rinse. Repeat.2 -
News from Italy. We're taking--flying in--serious COVID patients from Germany to help out. Their intensive care system is overwhelmed. It started yesterday. Their vaccinated numbers are low.11
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At the very least, this whole Covid pandemic has created awkward and unexpected moments in our lives; giving us a new outlook on etiquette, etc.
We didn't celebrate Christmas with anyone last year. This year we thought we'd invite a few people and keep it intimate(our adult children, my sister and her dd, and our niece and her bf). Well, we did. However, we probably should've stated vaccinations mandatory or some such thing because 2 of our relatives are not and will not. So, very awkwardly, we uninvited them. I'll have to talk with dh about it but maybe if we request masks and pre-Christmas negative test??? It just feels so awkward and impolite the whole way around. But with my ds coming who has diabetes, and my sister and I both working with elderly people, I just do NOT want to risk it ya know? I just assumed they were vaccinated and I'm not sure why. I *know* the vaccinated are not immune to this virus but after seeing what fear my sister went through by being exposed to a couple of her friends that she assumed had been vaccinated and were not, then a day after being together, her 2 friends came down with Covid. I felt her friends should've let her know they weren't vaccinated; my sister was working with them often for God's sake.
Argh. IDK. Ready to crawl in a cave and hibernate with the bears.20 -
At the very least, this whole Covid pandemic has created awkward and unexpected moments in our lives; giving us a new outlook on etiquette, etc. We didn't celebrate Christmas with anyone last year. This year we thought we'd invite a few people and keep it intimate(our adult children, my sister and her dd, and our niece and her bf). Well, we did. However, we probably should've stated vaccinations mandatory or some such thing because 2 of our relatives are not and will not. So, very awkwardly, we uninvited them. I'll have to talk with dh about it but maybe if we request masks and pre-Christmas negative test??? It just feels so awkward and impolite the whole way around. But with my ds coming who has diabetes, and my sister and I both working with elderly people, I just do NOT want to risk it ya know? I just assumed they were vaccinated and I'm not sure why. I *know* the vaccinated are not immune to this virus but after seeing what fear my sister went through by being exposed to a couple of her friends that she assumed had been vaccinated and were not, then a day after being together, her 2 friends came down with Covid. I felt her friends should've let her know they weren't vaccinated; my sister was working with them often for God's sake.
Argh. IDK. Ready to crawl in a cave and hibernate with the bears.
I am thinking about buying some of the rapid tests from the pharmacy that we can use the day of holiday gatherings. I should probably get them soon, though...my CVS has them right now, but I bet they sell out as the holidays get closer.1 -
For @kimny72 (or whoever might be interested) from Shane Crotty, who recently achieved a World Expert status for vaccine research:
https://www.lji.org/blog/shane-crotty-achieves-world-expert-status-for-vaccine-research/This ranking is based on Expertscape‘s PubMed-based algorithms, which place Crotty in the top 0.1% of scholars publishing information about vaccines over the past ten years.
At about the 22:00 min mark he begins discussion about T&B cells.
The whole video is a hopeful, positive, well-researched explanation of longer term really good protection (even against variants) for vaccinated people, regardless of age.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OguBUfcZoA 6 -
@ReenieHJ Tough situation. Yes, awkward. FWIW, this internet stranger thinks you are navigating it well and doing the right thing. Despite the awkwardness. Experience demonstrates you and your sister cannot count on the unvaccinated people around you to take precautions to protect you, so you really have no choice but to take steps to protect yourself (and those more vulnerable in your circle). No one else is going to do it, and there is too much at stake to ignore reality. Your logic is sound.11
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Omicron is already in the US. Assumed it was already, but now we know.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/01/first-case-omicron-coronavirus-variant-identified-united-states/2 -
cmriverside wrote: »For @kimny72 (or whoever might be interested) from Shane Crotty, who recently achieved a World Expert status for vaccine research:
https://www.lji.org/blog/shane-crotty-achieves-world-expert-status-for-vaccine-research/This ranking is based on Expertscape‘s PubMed-based algorithms, which place Crotty in the top 0.1% of scholars publishing information about vaccines over the past ten years.
At about the 22:00 min mark he begins discussion about T&B cells. The whole video is a hopeful, positive, well-researched explanation of longer term really good protection (even against variants) for vaccinated people, regardless of age.
Thanks! I'll watch it tonite
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SuzySunshine99 wrote: »At the very least, this whole Covid pandemic has created awkward and unexpected moments in our lives; giving us a new outlook on etiquette, etc. We didn't celebrate Christmas with anyone last year. This year we thought we'd invite a few people and keep it intimate(our adult children, my sister and her dd, and our niece and her bf). Well, we did. However, we probably should've stated vaccinations mandatory or some such thing because 2 of our relatives are not and will not. So, very awkwardly, we uninvited them. I'll have to talk with dh about it but maybe if we request masks and pre-Christmas negative test??? It just feels so awkward and impolite the whole way around. But with my ds coming who has diabetes, and my sister and I both working with elderly people, I just do NOT want to risk it ya know? I just assumed they were vaccinated and I'm not sure why. I *know* the vaccinated are not immune to this virus but after seeing what fear my sister went through by being exposed to a couple of her friends that she assumed had been vaccinated and were not, then a day after being together, her 2 friends came down with Covid. I felt her friends should've let her know they weren't vaccinated; my sister was working with them often for God's sake.
Argh. IDK. Ready to crawl in a cave and hibernate with the bears.
I am thinking about buying some of the rapid tests from the pharmacy that we can use the day of holiday gatherings. I should probably get them soon, though...my CVS has them right now, but I bet they sell out as the holidays get closer.
Since I had to visit the ER where I know I was exposed to 2 covid patients three days before thanksgiving, and thanksgiving was with my elderly diabetic mother, I used a rapid test the morning of. Supposedly rapid tests are not all that reliable for telling whether or not someone has covid but are very reliable for determining whether someone is contagious at that exact moment. So rapid test the morning of, plus masking, seems like it might be a viable solution.
BTW this was my first covid test ever - due to the way I live I haven’t been in a situation which required one previously. And it made my nose runny and then stuffy for hours! Ugh! I wonder if buying some of those nasal drops which temporarily shrink nasal tissue would help.2 -
I got my Moderna booster today. I wasn't in any hurry since I'm still in hermit-mode, but decided to get it done before omicron reaches our area. The pharmacy was doing walk-ins and was very busy which hopefully means more people are getting vaccinated. I was the only one wearing a mask (actually double masked).
Delta is still surging here. Hospitalizations, active cases and deaths are all up and it's still too early to see any jumps from the holiday weekend.8 -
I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.5 -
I got Covid about a month ago and although the worst of it lasts about 10 days ( for me) I still feel off.
Even though I took the right precautions and adhered to lockdown / mask wearing etc ..
all through the pandemic I wasn't really that worried about it - and to be honest didn't give it a lot of thought as I usually stay away from news programmes , tabloids, social media etc ..
I'm 46 and think I'm fairly healthy ish - and am now 53lbs lighter which could have made a difference in how my body dealt with the virus.
But I have to say that I can totally see how this virus could kill a vulnerable person.
For about 10 days I felt like absolute death.
This is nothing like the flu etc .. the symptoms were erratic and unpredictable and struggling to catch your breath is truly frightening!
My lungs still feel a bit off and tight a month
later.
I guess in a long winded way I'm trying to say that celebrating Christmas around vulnerable family members just isn't worth the risk.
Being vaccinated does not guarantee that you won't have serious complications.
Remember that children carry the virus too and are more likely to pass it on because of close proximity etc ..
The virus even without complications is enough to seriously impact a vulnerable or elderly
person.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Be safe x
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I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
Can you not just go to a drugstore there? Here I could go to any CVS or Walgreens, which are all over.4 -
I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
Can you not just go to a drugstore there? Here I could go to any CVS or Walgreens, which are all over.
Yeah, I don't understand when people think there are hoops to jump through to get these vaccines - here the medical community is falling over itself to get shots in arms.
Call your regular doctor's office, any doctor's office, or any hospital and ask. All the drug stores have it, so do all the big grocery stores (the ones with pharmacists) and there are multiple other sites set up by Public Health and they are all giving shots.8 -
In the US it's easy to walk in and get vaccinated or boosted, but I think it's much harder elsewhere.3
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »In the US it's easy to walk in and get vaccinated or boosted, but I think it's much harder elsewhere.
I thought Reenie is in the U.S.0 -
In Italy it's easy to get vaccinated, or the booster. An appointment online can be scheduled within a week or there are walk in free days where no appointment is needed. We have a major Vax center very near us and 10 min from the Coloseum.
My husband already got his booster. My 6 months are up in January.5 -
I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
You should just be able to go to a pharmacy website and set an appointment. CVS here had both walk-in and appointments. I got my appointment same day at CVS, but Walgreens was a week out. CVS was also doing walk-in, Walgreens wasn't. I didn't check around much as to availability, but Wal-Mart pharmacy, Costco, and just about every pharmacy that I know of had boosters.
I'm not sure if it's just a state thing, but here kids can get vaxed at a pharmacy or by their Dr. but schools and school districts have also been holding shot clinics specifically for 1st and 2nd dose kids vax. There hasn't been any big backups at our pharmacies. There are no mass vax clinics like last spring though...but I think we're past that stage in regards to getting mass amounts of people vaxed. Those who will have already done so and those who won't just won't.2 -
Second case of Omicron variant identified in the US from community transmission, verifying it was already in the US before it was first identified. Travel bans are pointless at this juncture, it just punishes the country that identified it first.
Got my booster over a week ago. No walk in appointments available in my area, but was able to get an appointment a couple days out from looking. Just a sore arm.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/02/second-us-case-omicron-variant-indicates-domestic-transmission/6 -
cmriverside wrote: »I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
Can you not just go to a drugstore there? Here I could go to any CVS or Walgreens, which are all over.
Yeah, I don't understand when people think there are hoops to jump through to get these vaccines - here the medical community is falling over itself to get shots in arms.
Call your regular doctor's office, any doctor's office, or any hospital and ask. All the drug stores have it, so do all the big grocery stores (the ones with pharmacists) and there are multiple other sites set up by Public Health and they are all giving shots.
A 24 hr pharmacy about 11 PM is a pretty good time to go without a wait.1 -
The drugstores in my area that are doing walk-ins are only doing one hour of walk-ins, mid-afternoon, weekdays only. I made an appointment last week, but the earliest I could get within 15 miles was December 30th. I am on the waitlist with my doctor's office and a couple other agencies. I am in King County, WA.3
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When I did the walk-in there was an hour wait in the morning so I filled out the paperwork and said I'd be back in the afternoon. I only had to wait about 10 minutes. My sister in Texas called for an appointment but can't get in until next week.
Mildly sore arm today.2 -
Looks like boosters will be approved for my age group (50+) today. But I read that Moderna says they will have a booster tailored to Omicron variant by March. So not sure now whether to get the regular booster, or wait for that? My 6 months is up December 6.1
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Looks like boosters will be approved for my age group (50+) today. But I read that Moderna says they will have a booster tailored to Omicron variant by March. So not sure now whether to get the regular booster, or wait for that? My 6 months is up December 6.
Most of the virologists I follow are leaning towards vaxxed and boosted folks not having to worry (probably even just vaxxed), but it will take another couple of weeks to get enough lab data and real world data to know what's what.5 -
I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
Can you not just go to a drugstore there? Here I could go to any CVS or Walgreens, which are all over.
I called them and they said they're making appointments 2 weeks out. So it looks like it'll be awhile before I can get my jab. Better than never though.6 -
I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
Can you not just go to a drugstore there? Here I could go to any CVS or Walgreens, which are all over.
I called them and they said they're making appointments 2 weeks out. So it looks like it'll be awhile before I can get my jab. Better than never though.
I think the new variant has stirred people up and caused a rush in some places.5 -
I wish we had walk-in booster clinics here. We did have but with children now getting vaccinated as well, appointments are definitely necessary.
So getting online and checking it all out is on my to-do list of the day.
Can you not just go to a drugstore there? Here I could go to any CVS or Walgreens, which are all over.
I called them and they said they're making appointments 2 weeks out. So it looks like it'll be awhile before I can get my jab. Better than never though.
I got mine on November 15 no problem and made a same day appointment early in the morning. Two weeks later and it looks like things are booking up much quicker and people are having to wait at least one to two weeks. I think here it's a combination of a lot of people being hesitant about getting a booster and unsure if it was really warranted and then the new variant came around and new state mandates for government workers, including teachers that to be considered fully vaccinated for the purposes of avoiding unvaxed protocols in the workplace, they have to have their booster before January 1...so there's been a bit of a run here.
It sounds very much like the governor of New Mexico is strongly considering a vaccine mandate for all state employees.5 -
Getting my booster tomorrow. Arrived back in Florida Nov 30 and made it to our condo in the keys last night. We booked out booster for tomorrow last week before we left, but I will say that I just looked at the Publix site and just now (almost 3:30 on Thursday), I could book a booster for 11 am this saturday. Their system here (Florida keys) is much easier than was I was looking at in Massachusetts (just north of Boston) this past month.5
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So I just listened to the first half of today's TWIV epi titled "OMG Omicron". They are disappointed by all the hysteria in the media and social media. There is not enough data to say anything conclusive, but at first glance they see nothing to suggest vaxxed people will not be protected. Studies are currently looking at whether vaccine induced T cells will still be effective, but again they see no reason to think they won't. They noted that South African demographics are much different than the US and SA vaccination rates were really low, so it's misleading to use their numbers to predict anything for the US. The unknown part, if I'm understanding correctly, is if omicron will overtake delta, and if so, what that means for unvaxxed folks.
They said we just have to wait for more data now, but no reason to panic.9
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