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Fit2btied2016 wrote: »Context always matters in these cases - for example, when I go for longer bike rides (2+ hours at a time), I always take sugar in one form or another to keep me going thru the ride and to make sure I make it home - usually hard candies or just simply glucose tabs. Sugar as pure as possible, is the ONLY thing that will give me a fast enough energy kick to keep up and finish the ride. So in this context, sugar is a god send and is not junk, even though most of the internet/diet guru's still try to demonize sugar considering it to be the junkiest of the junk foods.
Bingo!!! Well said.
For example, I'm a carb burner of the first order during endurance events. In fact, my coach had me focus on increasing my carb (simple sugar) intake to roughly 400 calories per hour during training rides of 4-6 hrs while preparing for long course triathlon events. Then - once the ride was over, I returned to consuming a fairly low carb daily allotment as prescribed by a dietician.
So context is everything!
I like how you explained things, both of you. It's like what do you want the engine to do? Turbo boost, or gas mileage economy? Both have their place.
When I am passing a car on the highway, I know I cannot outrun the Corvette while driving a little 4-cylinder rental clunker, but my truck could out pass any 4-cylinder. Pick your battles wisely.
Know your machine, and know what you want it to do, and treat it accordingly based on needs (or price of gas, he, he).
I think maybe we all have close to the same machine, at the starting line . . . it's more about how well we adhere to the recommended preventive maintenance schedules.
Overhauls are possible, too.
(I'm saying that as a not very big 66 y/o woman who's emphatically not a natural athlete - not even close - BTW.)2 -
FWIW, as a piece of general information, commercial/standard cauliflower pizza crust isn't particularly low calorie. It's more about avoiding gluten, for those sensitive.Fit2btied2016 wrote: »(snip)
So while I could see myself giving up something like pizza short term, would I ever be satisfied with eating a cauliflower crust pizza for the rest of my life? No. It might take me 2 hours to work off a slice of pizza, but oh well.
(snip)
There might be different micros, but I'd guess the difference is trivial.
YMMV, but the trainer I got the most from (as a 40+ y/o woman) was a male power lifter. I don't think we're all that unique (older women), and stereotyping (trainers or trainees) is risky. For sure, the individual trainer matters - their attitude, knowledge, experience - yeah.(snip)
Would I be happy with a one-size fits-all trainer at the gym? No. He might be perfect for the guy trying to put on more muscle to work in the military or something, but have no clue about women trying to lose weight after 40, etc. And a 20 year old fitness trainer just starting out will not be able to understand the unique needs of women as they age either, so I would be better suited for someone that has been there, and done that in their own life.
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As an aside, recent research is suggesting metabolism isn't all that different from 20s to around 60s - might want to look for different factors in 40s or so, eh?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34385400/
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@fit2betied2016 I apologize to the OP for responding to where this thread has gone, but fit2betied raises a lot of questions in her response to everyone’s comments that felt like they deserved an answer. I might not be the best person to answer because I have only been on this site for less than a year, but I will give it a shot, because I think I have a bit in common with fit2betied.
I lost a bit more than 40 lbs before joining, and then joined for what I thought would be the last hardest pounds when I needed to be more accurate, and also wanted the advice of other people with different experiences. That was more than 35 lbs ago, It turns out I didn’t actually know how much I had to lose. I am done losing now - may actually have lost a bit too much because life’s challenges got in the way (again). But that is a different story,
I just wanted to say welcome, and that I am sorry you had a brain tumor and that it continues to mess with your health. I had stage three triple negative breast cancer, followed by lots of additional health challenges that left me bedridden for many months once I kicked the cancer. That gave me an excuse to put on the extra weight I put on. So while I can’t say I know what your particular situation is like, I have some level of understanding about how challenging health problems can be to all areas of one’s life, and I certianly know the embarasment of people not recognizing you because you used to be a fit hiker and suddenly are a bald fat woman just learning to walk with a walker or two canes again. I am happy that that phase is over and I am back to full health but I cringe with the memories. I was 48 when this happened to me.
I think you will also find that other people here have also had a variety of health and life challenges that have contributed to how we ended up with more weight than we wanted to be carrying. Everyone is unique, but I hope you will find people whose experiences and energy speak to you and feel like “your people”. I have never participated in any social media before or any group chats/group therapy etc. but this aspect of mfp is one of the most helpful and useful to me personally because by sharing my experiences and what has worked for me with others maybe I can help someone else, but I definitely help myself, by reinforcing useful learnings to myself by writing about them. I can’t speak for others, but that is why I am hanging around here even though I have met my weight loss goal.
A part of it is the desire to be helpful (maybe you share advice with people who have been newly diagnosed or are just going through cancer treatments?) and a part of it is to keep myself on track.
I hope you find what you are looking for - whether it is here, or in your gym to help you reach your health goals, but more importantly, I hope you attain your goals in life generally. If your experience was like mine, you have learned something about yourself that you would never otherwise have known. You now have the rest of your life to apply that knowledge however you think best.
I wish you strength and health.7 -
Fit2btied2016 wrote: »
FWIW, as a piece of general information, commercial/standard cauliflower pizza crust isn't particularly low calorie. It's more about avoiding gluten, for those sensitive.Fit2btied2016 wrote: »(snip)
So while I could see myself giving up something like pizza short term, would I ever be satisfied with eating a cauliflower crust pizza for the rest of my life? No. It might take me 2 hours to work off a slice of pizza, but oh well.
(snip)
There might be different micros, but I'd guess the difference is trivial.
YMMV, but the trainer I got the most from (as a 40+ y/o woman) was a male power lifter. I don't think we're all that unique (older women), and stereotyping (trainers or trainees) is risky. For sure, the individual trainer matters - their attitude, knowledge, experience - yeah.(snip)
Would I be happy with a one-size fits-all trainer at the gym? No. He might be perfect for the guy trying to put on more muscle to work in the military or something, but have no clue about women trying to lose weight after 40, etc. And a 20 year old fitness trainer just starting out will not be able to understand the unique needs of women as they age either, so I would be better suited for someone that has been there, and done that in their own life.
(snip)
As an aside, recent research is suggesting metabolism isn't all that different from 20s to around 60s - might want to look for different factors in 40s or so, eh?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34385400/
Best wishes!
I was/am speaking from my own experience and point of view, and health issues. I am unique.
I had a brain tumour, eh? It affected ALL of my hormones. It still does. (On top of just being a woman). No study needed to know that the average trainer will not be able to help me (been there, done that, got the t-shirt and empty bank account). No sterotyping implied, just trying not to repeat myself in every post/topic.
Actually, one of the most helpful people has been a woman nearby that beat a Slurpee addiction and weighed in well over 250 lbs. because of it, and she is maybe 5'5, 5'6. I don't know her weight now, but I would be surprised if she is more than 125. She is lean and muscle and fit and runs like a Gazelle.
Sorry, but the average male trainer is NOT interested in hearing about women's hormonal issues, bloat, and so on and so forth, and I cannot blame the guy one bit. The average young trainer doesn't know jack unless it's on Tik-Tok either and isn't going to be qualified enough to know how medications affect the body (male or female trainer). Anyone and their dog can hang up the "trainer" label. It is too-loosey goosey. It's useless. I take that label with a grain of salt. Once upon a time I had a model figure, too. I could eat whatever I wanted, when I wanted, and I didn't gain anything, and I had the energy of a bunny and nothing stopping me.
Yeah, then shtf all at once, and the pretty and perfect "trainers" suddenly had deer in the headlights if you were sick from meds. and you couldn't "train." Uh huh. You might want to try "non-peak hours," to use the gym. 'Our gym' specializes in those wanting to train for marathons, or xyz. We aren't taking on new clients." (Translation: Go away fat lady, you aren't the look we are going for...)
Have you been to many gyms and been stared at? If you have, then you know EXACTLY the snooty attitude I am talking about. (Or use snooty horse barns if that might relate better). "OH, you aren't wearing LULU-Lemon and showing off your butt floss? You ain't welcome here, Honey." "OH, you don't do Hot Yoga 5x a week or spin classes for 5 hours? Nuh uh. Go away."
I've been to multiple gyms while obese, including being in a swimsuit while obese and completely without breasts (or prostheses) - slightly concave up top, actually. (I, too, am a survivor of cancer, stage III, locally advanced, hormone linked, and that cancer's full-course treatment.) I would think that might be stare fodder?
I've also taken a bunch of diverse classes at gyms, too, with instructors and students of many ages and shapes. That was mostly while I was obese, over 45, and post-cancer.
It must be different in different places, because I didn't sense that people were typically thinking much about me at all - more focused on their own workouts.
When I rowed at masters nationals in my 50s (late bloomer! ), I was still obese, and one of a handful of overweight competitors among hundreds of participants. I felt self-conscious, I admit, but not unwelcome.
So, no, I haven't had the experience of feeling stared at, dissed, or unwelcome. Most of the gyms here do skew to a younger demographic (vs. me at 66), but there are some older folks like me, and quite a few who are overweight given how common it is here to be overweight at all ages.
The number of "fake" or narcissists in the fitness/gym industry is worse than the snotty horse world I ran into, by far. "Oh, look at me! Me, me!" No thanks. I don't deal with Botox Betties and the Instagram "selfie" girls either. Yawn.
"Oh look. I had 3 carrot sticks, a lettuce leaf and an ounce of almond milk. Follow me. Add a like." LOL.
My ideal gym would be a local swimming pool, and my ideal trainer someone that had it all, but had tremendous loss and remade their new life with blood, sweat and tears from the ground up--an injured Vet or something.
Too many "lifters" use steroids and banned substances to "bulk up." It becomes obvious when you look at some of them, LOL. Ask them all to take a pee test while you watch and see what you get. Take a hair sample, too. See how many suddenly have to leave the gym.
Life experience is called that for a reason. It doesn't come overnight. I also have other health challenges because of car accidents and trauma, and so on (and a few other gyne issues). If I had to REALLY do things "right," I would be looking again at a team at a NP, a Pharmacist, a Kinesiologist, an RMT, a PT, a Dietician, MD, Endocrinologist, and a few other MD specialists in the health care field. Guess what? Been there, done that, and could not afford to keep them up!! Some of them were not worth the paper their name was written on either (The average MD gets very little nutrition education in med school, for starters. It is a subject skimmed over).
Nope. Still looking for my female mentor in the flesh that has LIVED experience and the extensive knowledge and patience to pour through my history. I'll find her. She will be in some little nook in some cancer-survivor group or something, because she WILL have lived through a lot of the same crap I have.
No, a male power lifter wouldn't get near me, (too complicated for him) and I wouldn't let him either. THAT would definitely not work. Glad it worked for you though.
P,S. (I had hormonal testing up the wazoo, so I know what I am dealing with and why. Thanks though). The article from Pub Med does look interesting, and I will skim it later.
And just a pure curiosity question--why you are still here after maintaining so long? Wouldn't you want to fly the coop and not return? Lol. I would be like, "See ya! Good luck, I'm outta here!" Is this a common thing to hang around, or does it become more of a social thing after the goals are done?
Fair question.
I'm someone who was overweight to obese for most of my adult life, and generally quite inactive, with a history of no innate athletic aptitude. I don't have your experience of having a figure like a model, or eating anything I wanted without gaining. As you say, we're all unique individuals.
While I started here on MFP when I committed to lose weight at age 59 (for health reasons), my key goal wasn't and isn't weight loss, but weight management and especially health. I was obese, hypothyroid, with high blood pressure, high cholesterol, osteopenia, osteoarthritis, a torn meniscus, . . . etc. Some of those are no longer issues for me.
Weight loss may be a project with an end date for some. For me, weight management and health are lifelong endeavors.
Some people want to and are able to rely on other methods long term, but I've found food logging and calorie counting to be a pretty perfect tool for me. It takes less than 10 minutes (tops) daily, doesn't feel stressful or obsessive, lets me eat every delicious calorie I can while staying at a healthy weight, and makes it easy to keep my overall nutrition on point.
In my first year here especially, but also since, I've learned a lot and gotten helpful support from very many people here on MFP. I stay active in the Community to try to pay some of that forward.
I won't be everyone's cup of tea, clearly; but I hope those folks will get similar things from others here who have different experiences, opinions, or communication styles. I sincerely believe most people here genuinely want to help others.
Is sticking around common? I don't know - some do stick around long term, not just me. Why? They'll have to speak for themselves.
God help me if I am still on this website in 6 years! Ain't no way that's happening. Too time-consuming as it is, yikes. If anything, I will just maybe stick to tracking or something. I go to read a few posts or reply, and next thing you know, 2 hours is gone each day (and the Vanilla thing usually quits mid-way, so I have to retype everything, or it double-posts--arrgh). Interesting website with interesting people, but I have to re-think things here. (That's about 60 hours a month, or 720 in a year.) In that regard, I am not off to a good start. I am 51. In 6 years I will be 57. If I have not got my sh-t together by then, then no amount of mfp will help me either. Again, speaking for myself.
Cheers and best wishes back to you :-)
On the trainer issue specifically:
I agree that finding the right trainer or coach is challenging, and that underqualified ones are out there in droves.
I trust my own ability to assess an individual's credentials, experience, attitude, and communication style. I feel like I narrow my odds of finding a good coach/trainer if I broad-brush eliminate whole classes of candidates based on age, gender, or appearance. YMMV, and that's fine, too. I'm not looking for a mentor or role model, though - just a coach, trainer or instructor.
Wishing you success as you define it!7 -
That NO junk food is WORTH eating after putting in so much work during a workout. Prove me wrong. 🤷🏻♀️
Hugely subjective. I exercise primarily for my health and physical competency and for the most part I eat well, but I can easily fit in some "junk food" and it is overall immaterial to the bigger picture that is my diet overall. My family has pizza night generally once per week, usually Friday or Saturday...it's good for the soul. Most Sunday mornings I make a run to the NY bakery down the street for Sunday morning pastries...also good for the soul. Once or twice per month I meet up with a buddy of mine and we go mountain biking and afterwards hit the Ex-Novo brewery for a couple of beers...good for the soul. I could go on, but the point is that these things have little to no impact on my overall nutritional profile or my fitness or my health. I personally find all or nothing mentalities a bit disturbing and disordered, but that's me. Keeping healthy and fit does not require all or nothing and frankly life is short and we're all going to die regardless...I'm certainly going to enjoy myself in a manner that is100% conducive to my goals.6 -
You keep being right whilst I enjoy every food and drink I choose to have
Food/drinks aren't the problem, volume and frequency are7 -
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removed after a bit more reading. but @AnnPT77 I love that you stick around. I don't post often, mostly lurk, but I love your posts and that you are so open in sharing your experiences.2
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Korean Fried chicken (soy and garlic)..............................so frikkin worth it.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »This skates very close to my most hated weight loss "motivational" phrase - that "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels".
I went to Weight Watchers for about a year in the late 80s and the meeting leader would chant that phrase at the end of every weekly meeting and had us say it with her. I haven't liked hearing or seeing it ever since. Makes me twitch.
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Wynterbourne wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »This skates very close to my most hated weight loss "motivational" phrase - that "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels".
I went to Weight Watchers for about a year in the late 80s and the meeting leader would chant that phrase at the end of every weekly meeting and had us say it with her. I haven't liked hearing or seeing it ever since. Makes me twitch.
"Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" is a poorly constructed proposition, besides. There absolutely are things that taste as good for the two or five minutes it takes to eat them as skinny feels for that same two or five minutes. The problem is that it doesn't work that way.
Memes existed before the internet. They were dumb then, too.3 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »This skates very close to my most hated weight loss "motivational" phrase - that "nothing tastes as good as skinny feels".
I went to Weight Watchers for about a year in the late 80s and the meeting leader would chant that phrase at the end of every weekly meeting and had us say it with her. I haven't liked hearing or seeing it ever since. Makes me twitch.
"Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" is a poorly constructed proposition, besides. There absolutely are things that taste as good for the two or five minutes it takes to eat them as skinny feels for that same two or five minutes. The problem is that it doesn't work that way.
Memes existed before the internet. They were dumb then, too.
I like memes
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