Caloric Intake & Body Fat

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  • amomatt
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    Age: 40
    Sex: F
    Height: 5'3"
    Weight: 146
    Body fat: 32.5 (from scale)
    Body fat goal : 25%
    Daily calories: 1500 net
  • kaitlynnme
    kaitlynnme Posts: 19 Member
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    Age: 36
    Sex: F
    Height: 5'9"
    Weight 148.4
    Body fat: 25%
    Daily Calories: 1450 net

    I upped my calories 5 weeks ago because after doing a lot of reading here, I realized I was not eating enough. I was eating 1200 and not eating my excercise calories back. After changing my calorie intake, I lost 3 pounds in 2 weeks but have been stuck ever since. I exercise 5 days a week. Weight training 3 days and hiit cardio 2 days. My goal is to be 18-20% bf.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    Age: 36
    Sex: F
    Height: 5'9"
    Weight 148.4
    Body fat: 25%
    Daily Calories: 1450 net

    I upped my calories 5 weeks ago because after doing a lot of reading here, I realized I was not eating enough. I was eating 1200 and not eating my excercise calories back. After changing my calorie intake, I lost 3 pounds in 2 weeks but have been stuck ever since. I exercise 5 days a week. Weight training 3 days and hiit cardio 2 days. My goal is to be 18-20% bf.

    There is a slight chance you are still not eating enough. There are a couple of ways to test this. First, increase your caloric intake by another 200 calories. Do this for amount a month to see how your weight changes. The other is to run the katch mcardle formula I originally posted to do this method. If you want help, please let me know. I will be glad to help.
  • kaitlynnme
    kaitlynnme Posts: 19 Member
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    Thank you! I am thinking you are probably right. I am going to increase my calories to have less of a deficit and see how that goes. Thanks for the offer of help....I may take you up on it I don't see any changes. Good luck with your study....I would be very interested to see what your findings are!
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    Thank you! I am thinking you are probably right. I am going to increase my calories to have less of a deficit and see how that goes. Thanks for the offer of help....I may take you up on it I don't see any changes. Good luck with your study....I would be very interested to see what your findings are!

    Thanks.. i am getting close to 100 people so I will publish the findings once I get there and have time to write it all up.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    To the top!!!
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    morning bump
  • trelm249
    trelm249 Posts: 777 Member
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    Two week update -

    Age: 41
    Sex: M
    Height: 5'7"
    Weight 263
    Body fat: 34.8%
    Daily Calories: 1870 net typically
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    Two week update -

    Age: 41
    Sex: M
    Height: 5'7"
    Weight 263
    Body fat: 34.8%
    Daily Calories: 1870 net typically

    Nice, about a 3% body fat loss. Keep it up.
  • wondergirl1003
    wondergirl1003 Posts: 138 Member
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    Age: 27
    Female
    Weight: 183
    Height: 5'9"
    Body fat %: 26.7 (skinfold)
    LBM: roughly 135 lbs
    Calories: 1900 - Only eat a few of my exercise calories, which is 400-500.
    Goal bf%: 18-20%

    I'm a little confused at how kaitlyn and I can be the same height, but so drastically different in weight. I mean, according to the skinfold test I have almost her entire body weight in muscle alone. Unless I my calculations are completely wrong. Apparently my goal body weight for 20% body fat should put me around 171 lbs, but that still seems high. Insight?
  • trelm249
    trelm249 Posts: 777 Member
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    I'm a little confused at how kaitlyn and I can be the same height, but so drastically different in weight. I mean, according to the skinfold test I have almost her entire body weight in muscle alone. Unless I my calculations are completely wrong. Apparently my goal body weight for 20% body fat should put me around 171 lbs, but that still seems high. Insight?

    That is not necessarily high based on the body composition of the person involved. Same height with different frames (the width of the pelvic girdle impacting waist and hip size) and muscle makeup can produce drastically different weights.

    This is what drives me crazy about people focusing on some number on the scale. While body composition, endurance, strength, stamina, and blood work are all fairly consistent measurements of fitness, they can appear radically different when applied to individuals due to the myriad of variables. It is about you being a fit and healthy you, not the same weight as someone else.

    I will get out of the pulpit now and we can pass the plate around.
  • tross0924
    tross0924 Posts: 909 Member
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    If you still need more -

    Age - 36
    Sex - Male
    Weight - 205
    Height - 5' 11"
    Body fat % - 17% (Impedance)
    LBM - 171
    Daily Calories - 2900 - 3100 (that's including my exercise calories)
    Goal BF % - 8%
  • wondergirl1003
    wondergirl1003 Posts: 138 Member
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    That is not necessarily high based on the body composition of the person involved. Same height with different frames (the width of the pelvic girdle impacting waist and hip size) and muscle makeup can produce drastically different weights.

    This is what drives me crazy about people focusing on some number on the scale. While body composition, endurance, strength, stamina, and blood work are all fairly consistent measurements of fitness, they can appear radically different when applied to individuals due to the myriad of variables. It is about you being a fit and healthy you, not the same weight as someone else.

    I will get out of the pulpit now and we can pass the plate around.

    I'm not living and dying by the scale, I care mostly about what I look and feel like. Thing is, in college (when I was lifting 3 days a week, conditioning 3 and playing 3-4 hours of softball a day) I weighed around 165. Still had the same trouble areas that I have now, possibly less prominent, but weighed 20lbs less. My lifts were much heavier and I was doing so more consistently than I am at the moment. I never had my BF% taken then, but I seriously don't look much different even with more weight on me now. So what, I gained an eff-ton of muscle without trying? Or maybe I was much thinner then and my memory is warped.
  • Jesung
    Jesung Posts: 236 Member
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    Age - 22
    Sex - Male
    Weight - 170
    Height - 5' 11"
    Body fat % - 15% (skinfold caliper)
    Daily Calories - 3500 (just upped from 3000)
  • tameko2
    tameko2 Posts: 31,634 Member
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    Age: 36
    Sex: F
    Height: 5'9"
    Weight 148.4
    Body fat: 25%
    Daily Calories: 1450 net

    I upped my calories 5 weeks ago because after doing a lot of reading here, I realized I was not eating enough. I was eating 1200 and not eating my excercise calories back. After changing my calorie intake, I lost 3 pounds in 2 weeks but have been stuck ever since. I exercise 5 days a week. Weight training 3 days and hiit cardio 2 days. My goal is to be 18-20% bf.

    There is a slight chance you are still not eating enough. There are a couple of ways to test this. First, increase your caloric intake by another 200 calories. Do this for amount a month to see how your weight changes. The other is to run the katch mcardle formula I originally posted to do this method. If you want help, please let me know. I will be glad to help.

    yeah I thought that sounded pretty low because this is what I eat:

    Age: 29
    Sex: F
    Body Fat : 29% (maybe its lower now...but probably not! I'm down 2lbs though since I measured)
    Daily Calories: 1680 -- but I fluctuate daily between about 1500 and 1950 and I am a little unscientific about the calorie counting since I eat out mostly so its reliant on what restaurants post and guesstimation about how much of it I eat, general idea of how much 4 ounces of meat is etc.

    I was eating a lot less for a while - staying under 1450 and not only was I find it hard to stay that low but it was exhausting me. I felt tired and had some terrible workouts for a few weeks. After I upped it I had to retrain my body to eat the extra - I'd feel like I wasn't very hungry and I'd eat because I knew I should - and NOW my body seems to be very accurate in letting me know when I need more. I'm at about 1430 right now nad getting hunger signals so having a scoop and a half of protein powder and that will set me AND my protein macro for the day.

    BF Goal (optional): 18-20% I don't know what its going to look like yet.

    I think this is an interesting project and I'm excited to see the data but don't we scientifically know that a pound of muscle burns more than a pound of fat? So the answer will be yes - someone who weighs the same as me (175) and is 35% body fat will have a lower BMR. Whcih is why the Katch Mcardle formula that this calculator uses exists. http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm
  • tameko2
    tameko2 Posts: 31,634 Member
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    That is not necessarily high based on the body composition of the person involved. Same height with different frames (the width of the pelvic girdle impacting waist and hip size) and muscle makeup can produce drastically different weights.

    This is what drives me crazy about people focusing on some number on the scale. While body composition, endurance, strength, stamina, and blood work are all fairly consistent measurements of fitness, they can appear radically different when applied to individuals due to the myriad of variables. It is about you being a fit and healthy you, not the same weight as someone else.

    I will get out of the pulpit now and we can pass the plate around.

    I'm not living and dying by the scale, I care mostly about what I look and feel like. Thing is, in college (when I was lifting 3 days a week, conditioning 3 and playing 3-4 hours of softball a day) I weighed around 165. Still had the same trouble areas that I have now, possibly less prominent, but weighed 20lbs less. My lifts were much heavier and I was doing so more consistently than I am at the moment. I never had my BF% taken then, but I seriously don't look much different even with more weight on me now. So what, I gained an eff-ton of muscle without trying? Or maybe I was much thinner then and my memory is warped.

    Your memory might be warped but age also changes our bodies - I thoguht I was so fat in highschool (thanks *kitten* parents!) and I still remember looking at my "fat" thighs and "fat" belly and I weighed FORTY pounds less than I do now. And I think I look as good now (except in the belly) than I did before - but its probably not true as forty pounds is a LOT. I probably will look better at 150 age 29 than I did at 135 age 17 though. Bodies do shift.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    That is not necessarily high based on the body composition of the person involved. Same height with different frames (the width of the pelvic girdle impacting waist and hip size) and muscle makeup can produce drastically different weights.

    This is what drives me crazy about people focusing on some number on the scale. While body composition, endurance, strength, stamina, and blood work are all fairly consistent measurements of fitness, they can appear radically different when applied to individuals due to the myriad of variables. It is about you being a fit and healthy you, not the same weight as someone else.

    I will get out of the pulpit now and we can pass the plate around.

    I'm not living and dying by the scale, I care mostly about what I look and feel like. Thing is, in college (when I was lifting 3 days a week, conditioning 3 and playing 3-4 hours of softball a day) I weighed around 165. Still had the same trouble areas that I have now, possibly less prominent, but weighed 20lbs less. My lifts were much heavier and I was doing so more consistently than I am at the moment. I never had my BF% taken then, but I seriously don't look much different even with more weight on me now. So what, I gained an eff-ton of muscle without trying? Or maybe I was much thinner then and my memory is warped.


    As somewhat stated before, stuff like bone structure (and bone density) and your chest plays a huge factor. Keep in mind that even when you do a skin fold test, you are averaging over several parts of your body. For example, I have 8.5% body fat in my arms, 16% in my belly, 10% in my hips, 10% in my thighs, 10% in my hips, etc... and I have 10.5 or 11% total body fat. So if you store all your weight in one area, it can be deceiving. My friend is the same height as me and about the same body fat, but weighs 30 lbs less and has 4" less in the waist as me.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    yeah I thought that sounded pretty low because this is what I eat:

    Age: 29
    Sex: F
    Body Fat : 29% (maybe its lower now...but probably not! I'm down 2lbs though since I measured)
    Daily Calories: 1680 -- but I fluctuate daily between about 1500 and 1950 and I am a little unscientific about the calorie counting since I eat out mostly so its reliant on what restaurants post and guesstimation about how much of it I eat, general idea of how much 4 ounces of meat is etc.

    I was eating a lot less for a while - staying under 1450 and not only was I find it hard to stay that low but it was exhausting me. I felt tired and had some terrible workouts for a few weeks. After I upped it I had to retrain my body to eat the extra - I'd feel like I wasn't very hungry and I'd eat because I knew I should - and NOW my body seems to be very accurate in letting me know when I need more. I'm at about 1430 right now nad getting hunger signals so having a scoop and a half of protein powder and that will set me AND my protein macro for the day.

    BF Goal (optional): 18-20% I don't know what its going to look like yet.

    I think this is an interesting project and I'm excited to see the data but don't we scientifically know that a pound of muscle burns more than a pound of fat? So the answer will be yes - someone who weighs the same as me (175) and is 35% body fat will have a lower BMR. Whcih is why the Katch Mcardle formula that this calculator uses exists. http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm

    All I am trying to do is provide another data point for people to make that decision on how to lose weight. I always say, if you want to look like an athlete you need to train like one. I can show them the math (and trust me I do) but many don't believe it. So if I show them what others have done and how they got there, I am hoping to pursuade them to be more open. Besides, i am a financial guy so I love numbers and spreadsheets to help prove a point, lol. So far i have collected on 75 people and hoping to get 100. I also need to find time in my crazy schedule to truely analyze and write. Thank god from some upcoming holidays.


    Thank you for providing the data.
  • tinytearsie
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    Due to the overwhelming amount of threads on eatin vs not eating exercise calories back, I want to do an informational thread on how many calories people eat vs their total body fat. I then will put this into an excel spreadsheet and do some analysis (yes, I am an excel dork).

    The objective is to test the theory, that people with really low body fat have to consume a huge amount of calories to maintain or continue to change their body composition.

    Below is the format. If you would like to respond but prefer not to post information publically, feel free to send me a private message.

    Age: 29
    Sex: M
    Body Fat : 12%
    Daily Calories: 2600

    BF Goal (optional): 8%


    I would like to thank those who participate. On a side note, below is my approach to calculating my caloric needs for the day. Just for information.
    Here is my perception on the matter. I actually use this site just to track my calories. I use a different method to determine how many calories I should be eating and suggest it to many. According to this website, if you use their calculations, if you workout and burn 300 calories, than you should eat an extra 300 calories that day because the site has already built in a deficit for you. The more you have to lose the bigger an acceptable deficit is but the closer your goal is, the smaller your deficit should be. This is because the more muscle you have, the lower the body fat, the more fuel you body needs to sustains it's functions. Also, a deficit is should never been more than 1000 calories a day (which would allow for 2 lbs per week loss) but it more acceptable to do 1 lb a week or 500 calorie deficit. Additionally, a woman should eat not less than 1200 net calories. This is the amount of calories after you workout. So if you burn 500 calories, you need at least 1700 calories; men should be no less than 1500-1700 after workout calories from my research. Also, a large part of these calories should be driven by protein based sources. The ammino acids in the protein is what stimulates muscle growth. The more muscle your body has, the more calories you burn at rest.

    My approach looks at Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR); BMR is the amount of calories you would burn if you slept 24 hours, for me, my BMR is 2000 calories. I then mutliply it by my Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE); how many calories I should eat to make up for daily activities (walking, working out, etc) to get a total number of calories. Because I do a program like p90x, I multiply my 2000 calories by 1.725 which equals 3400 calories. This amount of calories is the amount I need to eat to maintain weight. I back off 500 caloires as my deficit and eat 3000 calories in a day. This is the website I use.


    http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm

    I then go into a custom setup under my goals and set my daily intake for 3000 calories (well I will starting sunday, right now it's 2800 because I haven't officially started p90x until sunday). Additionally, to follow the p90x food guide, I set up custom ratio's. I do 45% of carbs, 35% of protein and 20% for fats. As I progress, I will lower protein and increase carbs. This method has worked for me and others I have worked with on the site. MFP just makes it simple for anyone to come on and lose weight. I take more of a scientific approach to weight loss. When I started I was 210 & 18% body fat. Now I am 189 and 12% body fat and hoping to break single digits within 3 months.

    Cliff notes: if you go by the sites calculations, you absolutely should eat back your workout calories as they preload the deficit. If you go by the more scientific method, you don't have to worry about it, it's already figured in your number.

    Good luck everyone.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,404 MFP Moderator
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    I'm not living and dying by the scale, I care mostly about what I look and feel like. Thing is, in college (when I was lifting 3 days a week, conditioning 3 and playing 3-4 hours of softball a day) I weighed around 165. Still had the same trouble areas that I have now, possibly less prominent, but weighed 20lbs less. My lifts were much heavier and I was doing so more consistently than I am at the moment. I never had my BF% taken then, but I seriously don't look much different even with more weight on me now. So what, I gained an eff-ton of muscle without trying? Or maybe I was much thinner then and my memory is warped.

    I was thinking of this more last night, keep in mind you can also increase muscle mass (LBM) without decreasing body fat. So remember, 10% body fat doesn't always look the same.