Two day full body strength training routine

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  • miss_amy
    miss_amy Posts: 351
    thanks! i already do some strength training, but it's nice to be able to do different exercises!
  • Thanks for the post! Great information.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    exercise selection is secondary to many other more important variables. Especially in the context of fat loss and physique enhancement.


    ^ Word, and bump.
  • Rae6503
    Rae6503 Posts: 6,294 Member
    I'm following the New Rules program and stage 1 is pretty much identical to this.

    Workout A:
    squats,
    rows
    push-ups
    steps-ups
    prone jack knifes (core)

    Workout B:
    deadlifts
    lat-pull downs
    shoulder press
    lunges
    swiss-ball crunch
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Yea, when you look at it from the standpoint of squatting, hinging at the hips, pushing, and pulling... everything starts to look pretty similar. I've not looked at the NROL setup in a long time... from what I remember though it was decent. Not a big fan of the author... but that is what it is.
  • Hi Steve,
    I love your posts and website! I've been incorporating a lot of your nutrition advice, and now am trying to figure out what direction I'm going with exercise. Currently I just run and do Insanity workout, but am going to rejoin the gym for some strength training. Last time I tried to start lifting, I would spend half the time walking around the gym in a daze, debating whether to use a bar, a dumbell, a machine, etc...so this time I am trying to put together a very specific plan beforehand, and wanted to clarify a few things with you. I know you recommend 2-3 full body workouts a week, with general large movements such as squats and bench presses. I was looking at several programs online, such as Jamie Eason's Livefit program, where she breaks up the body parts for different days and does many different exercises for each part. I really like how clearly everything is laid out, with instruction videos for each exercise, but the workout style seems to be the opposite of what you recommend.

    My question is: what are pros and cons of these two types of training? Do you think there's a major difference in how your body would look in the end? As for my goals, I want to build more muscle eventually, but for now I'm focusing more on maintaining my muscle while losing a few pounds of body fat.

    Thank you so much for all the time you put into these forums! Whenever I find myself getting overwhelmed with diet 'secrets' and plans, I come back on here and reread your posts to set myself straight=)
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Hi Steve,
    I love your posts and website! I've been incorporating a lot of your nutrition advice, and now am trying to figure out what direction I'm going with exercise. Currently I just run and do Insanity workout, but am going to rejoin the gym for some strength training. Last time I tried to start lifting, I would spend half the time walking around the gym in a daze, debating whether to use a bar, a dumbell, a machine, etc...so this time I am trying to put together a very specific plan beforehand, and wanted to clarify a few things with you. I know you recommend 2-3 full body workouts a week, with general large movements such as squats and bench presses. I was looking at several programs online, such as Jamie Eason's Livefit program, where she breaks up the body parts for different days and does many different exercises for each part. I really like how clearly everything is laid out, with instruction videos for each exercise, but the workout style seems to be the opposite of what you recommend.

    My question is: what are pros and cons of these two types of training? Do you think there's a major difference in how your body would look in the end? As for my goals, I want to build more muscle eventually, but for now I'm focusing more on maintaining my muscle while losing a few pounds of body fat.

    Thank you so much for all the time you put into these forums! Whenever I find myself getting overwhelmed with diet 'secrets' and plans, I come back on here and reread your posts to set myself straight=)

    This is a great question and I have a feeling I'm going to blab a bit. So if I confuse you more than I help you, just say so and I'll try to explain things differently.

    Let me start by saying that I don't have a clue how Jamie sets up her program. That said, what you're essentially asking is, "Is it better to do full body training or split training?"

    In truth, there's no right or wrong answer when it comes to that question... as is this case with most questions like this. You'll find debates about this very question all over the internet and they involve a lot of generalizations. For example, there are endless ways of setting up a split routine. When most people think of splits though, they're thinking of the traditional bodybuilding bodypart split. This is where the program is divvied up by bodypart and each muscle is trained once per week using an exotic and voluminous list of exercises.

    In general, if I had to choose between that sort of split and a full body routine for the novice lifter who's interested in maximizing muscle mass while dieting... I'd opt for the latter pretty much every single time. So if Jamie's program is that sort of split, there's my answer. Just remember that there's is no "one right way" to lift weights that is right or wrong without context. One program might be great for one goal and terrible for yet another.

    It's also very important to keep in mind that most fitness models, figure competitors, and bodybuilders use training and dieting tactics that are not at all in the best interest of your average exerciser. These folks are not the average and their bodies tend to give them a platform and limelight to espouse their training theories. More often than not though, they're doing a disservice to the masses who don't have gifted genetic profiles, aren't using supportive drugs, and aren't training and dieting for a living. Nothing against Jamie, though... I do like her a lot. I'm speaking very generally here regarding the information that tends to come out of this camp.

    A very simplified way of looking at it is like this:

    Let's say that you are doing a standard "bodybuilder" split, where you perform 4 chest exercises in a given workout and then wait an entire week before doing them again. Now, let's say that I am doing a full body workout 3x per week, with 1 chest exercise each time. At the end of the week, you will have performed 4 exercises to my 3, which is very similar. However, by waiting an entire week, you have lost adaptations where I have not. Further, in a full year (we'll take that as 50 weeks for simplicity), you have worked out 50 times to my 150.

    So to put it more simply... the traditional bodypart split way of training consolidates the exposure to stress too much for most goals.

    The truth of the matter is that a training program (as long as it's not super-stupid) is only part of the equation; consistency, motivation, and hard work are a lot more important. And any program that has you getting stronger over time with sane levels of volume (not too little and not too much) is going to drive progress.

    And a lot can get lost in translation too. For example...

    My training is generally a in the upper/lower split set up where I'm training upper body twice per week and lower body twice per week.

    Monday - Push emphasis
    Tuesday - Squats emphasis
    Thursday - Pull emphasis
    Friday or Saturday - Deadlift or hip hinge emphasis

    But let's look at something.

    Monday I do OHP and Bench as my heavy work, with assistance done for lats, chest, and triceps.

    Tuesday is Squats, with assistance for quads/hams/calves.

    Thursday I do heavy rowing or pullups but I also do assistance stuff for bench, overhead press, back, and arms.

    Friday/Saturday I do DL and heavy assistance for hamstring and quads.

    So let's think about this in different terms then:

    Monday - Chest/Shoulders/Back/Arms
    Tuesday - Quads/Hamstrings
    Thursday - Back/Chest/Shoulder/Arms
    Friday or Saturday - Hamstrings/Quads

    Whoa! I'm doing a body part split!

    Except it's not.

    If I had to sum it up and put it in terms that will likely resonate with you... what's going to provide the average exerciser with the most mileage towards their goals is going to be a handful of sets for each major muscle group done pretty heavily relative to their maximum ability where these muscles are trained more than once per week and an emphasis is placed on getting stronger over time.






    As long as she's focusing on a few core tenets that matter when it comes to any setup, than I'm sure it's fine. By and large though, most traditional fitness models, figure competitors, and bodybuilders train with ridiculous volumes. They believe that you have to pump and tone and hit the muscle from every angle in order to make progress. And that way of training can "work" if you have the genetics, support from drugs, and you're eating sufficient energy. MInd you, I'm not suggesting that Jamie uses drugs as I don't believe that she does. But the point is, the splits that most of the folks in this category use are not appropriate for the average trainee who's looking to "tone up", get stronger, and maintain muscle while losing fat.





    But again, that's generalizing quite a bit as you can make splits work quite well for many goals.
  • Thanks so much for the detailed info. I think I understand...the difference is not so much regarding the split days or the exercises themselves, as it is with the volume of sets per muscle group. And unless you're very advanced and have low body fat already, it's probably overkill to try to sculpt muscle from every angle with so many exercises. This makes a lot of sense (hope I'm interpreting correctly). I think I will use her guide for some ideas on movements, but will stick to only 1 or 2 exercises per muscle group and train each group twice a week.

    I like the idea of how you set up those splits. Last time I tried full body strength training, I was completely drained the next day. I did this about 3 times and the same thing happened each time. I did 3-4 sets each of squats, bench presses, rows, and back extensions, maybe some other little things thrown in, and I wasn't exhausted leaving the gym at all, but for the next couple of days I'd have really low energy. So I'm thinking I will try your general plan that you laid out below and see if it will help to spread the work over more days.

    Thanks again Steve, you're awesome!!
  • lglg11
    lglg11 Posts: 344 Member
    Great stuff ! Thank you :)
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Thanks so much for the detailed info. I think I understand...the difference is not so much regarding the split days or the exercises themselves, as it is with the volume of sets per muscle group. And unless you're very advanced and have low body fat already, it's probably overkill to try to sculpt muscle from every angle with so many exercises. This makes a lot of sense (hope I'm interpreting correctly).

    Yup, you're interpreting me correctly.
    I like the idea of how you set up those splits. Last time I tried full body strength training, I was completely drained the next day. I did this about 3 times and the same thing happened each time. I did 3-4 sets each of squats, bench presses, rows, and back extensions, maybe some other little things thrown in, and I wasn't exhausted leaving the gym at all, but for the next couple of days I'd have really low energy. So I'm thinking I will try your general plan that you laid out below and see if it will help to spread the work over more days.

    That would be fine.

    Here are two other alternatives:

    1) You could do an upper/lower split in with an upper day emphasizing horizontal work, an upper day emphasizing vertical work, a lower day emphasizing squatting, and a lower day emphasizing hip hinge work. Could look something like this:

    Day 1: Upper - horizontal heavy, vertical light

    A1 - BB Row 3x4-6
    A2 - BB Bench Press 3x4-6
    B1 - Cable Pulldown - 2x10-12
    B2 - DB Single Arm Push Press - 2x10-12
    Throw some direct arm work at the end

    Day 2: Lower - squat emphasis

    A1 - BB Squats 3x4-6
    B1 - BB Romanian Deadlift - 3x8-10
    B2 - DB Reverse Lunge - 3x8-10
    C1 - Planks 3x30-60 seconds

    Day 3: Upper - heavy vertical, light horizontal

    A1 - Pullups 3x4-6 (if you can't do pullups, use bands for assistance or resort to heavy pulldowns)
    A2 - Standing BB Overhead Press 3x4-6
    B1 - Head Supported DB Rows 2x10-12
    B2 - Single Arm DB Press 2x10-12
    Throw in some arms at the end if you want

    Day 4: Lower - hip hinge emphasis

    A1 - Trap Bar Deadlift 3x4-6
    B1 - DB Goblet Squat - 3x12-15
    B2 - Pallof Press - 3x10-12
    C1 - Single Leg Hip Thrust - 3x8-10

    Nothing is written in stone there... but just one way of going about things. You could also shoot for an upper day, a lower day, and then one full body day. That way everything's getting trained twice yet you're only lifting 3 days per week. I like this setup too.
  • Awesome!! Rejoining the gym tomorrow, I'm psyched to try that out.
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Kick some butt!
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Bumpity bumper bump
  • VVEXVVEX
    VVEXVVEX Posts: 132 Member
    Good stuff! Thanks.
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    You're welcome.
  • dargytaylor
    dargytaylor Posts: 840 Member
    I have been looking around for something like this......thanks for your hard work!!
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    My pleasure! Let me know if you have any questions.
  • MoooveOverFluffy
    MoooveOverFluffy Posts: 398 Member
    BUMP BUMP BUMP!!
  • kerramarie
    kerramarie Posts: 19 Member
    bump!
  • KiyaK
    KiyaK Posts: 519 Member
    Oh my gosh. I just spent the last 10 minutes trying to find this post, haha. Finally getting around to developing my own routine, now that I've met with a PT & learned technique on a few lifts :) Thanks again for the post.
  • lizlee8
    lizlee8 Posts: 92 Member
    bump!
    cheers :drinker:
    x
  • Twatley703
    Twatley703 Posts: 11 Member
    bump
  • Jenn638
    Jenn638 Posts: 85 Member
    bump. thanks for a great thread.
  • hello77kitty
    hello77kitty Posts: 260 Member
    Thanks, just what I needed!
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Oh my gosh. I just spent the last 10 minutes trying to find this post, haha. Finally getting around to developing my own routine, now that I've met with a PT & learned technique on a few lifts :) Thanks again for the post.

    You're welcome! You can always email me if you're looking for something in particular. But glad you found it and good luck! Hopefully your trainer had a clue about exercise form!
  • HarmonyNLife
    HarmonyNLife Posts: 47 Member
    Thanks a bunch!
  • TrophyWifeSass
    TrophyWifeSass Posts: 490 Member
    Hey Steve- This might be off topic but I have a question about muscle and calorie deficit, strength and gains. I can make my muscles stronger, able to lift a bit more over time but that is not gaining? Stronger is different? I have been lifting for about a month. I am eating around 1500-1600 at 162 pounds, 5' 9". I am getting so much stronger, fat is going so I can really see the muscles now but how can the muscles get stronger without gains? They are sore and and repair every time...maybe this is just semantics and now everyone will scream at me about no muscle gain on a cal deficit. But I was just wondering about it. I love the new strength and I love what I am seeing, the inches are flying off and I feel amazing. Thank you for all of your help. You are an amazing encouragement to so many :smile:

    Thanks, Laurie
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    Hi Laurie,

    I think this is a perfectly normal question. A good one, in fact.

    Think of it like this... we really can't look at our muscles without also looking at our nervous systems. The brain and spinal cord comprise the central nervous system, and then nerves branch out from there (the spinal cord) attaching to our muscles. Hence the term, nueromuscular system.

    What's this have to do with your question?

    Well, strength is a manifestation of multiple variables. Many of them having to do with neural adaptations. Put simply, your nervous system changes in response to progressive resistance training in a way that leads to greater force production at the muscle level.

    The nervous system sends electrical signals to the muscles, which sets off a host of events that causes muscle contraction. By way of training, some of the adaptations include the ability for these electrical signals to recruit greater amounts of muscle fibers. Greater recruitment means greater force production. Another adaptation is where the nervous system begins sending a faster rate of electrical signals, which also leads to greater force production.

    Both of these adaptations are examples of how someone can get stronger without necessarily getting bigger.

    There are other adaptations having to do with coordination (essentially learning to move in a habituated way).

    Does that help?
  • TrophyWifeSass
    TrophyWifeSass Posts: 490 Member
    It does help, thank you. I always thought it was strange that people say you don't gain but really we do gain, strength, not size or muscle weight. So when you tear your muscles after working out and they "fill in" or "repair" they are not growing bigger but are getting stronger and this all has to do with neuromuscular system. Very cool how everything works.
  • stroutman81
    stroutman81 Posts: 2,474 Member
    It does help, thank you. I always thought it was strange that people say you don't gain but really we do gain, strength, not size or muscle weight. So when you tear your muscles after working out and they "fill in" or "repair" they are not growing bigger but are getting stronger and this all has to do with neuromuscular system. Very cool how everything works.

    Well they can certainly gain in size as well assuming multiple things are in place such as progressive loading, sufficient calories, the right amount of tension and work, etc. My previous post was more to explain that it's very possible to get stronger without getting bigger.