Bob Harper was WRONG last night about Soy

we nothing but Pawns in the chess game of Big Government

Spent some time living in Canton and Bourne myself...my mom lives in Sandwich and works in Boston for Dept. of Homeland Security....I feel for you, really! Of course here in Michigan we have Granholm in bed with the big three AND the UAW, talk about a mix and the many corrupt and criminal mayors of Detroit....sweet land of liberty....

I have family in Sandwich too! :laugh:

Spent some time living in Canton and Bourne myself...my mom lives in Sandwich and works in Boston for Dept. of Homeland Security....I feel for you, really! Of course here in Michigan we have Granholm in bed with the big three AND the UAW, talk about a mix and the many corrupt and criminal mayors of Detroit....sweet land of liberty....

Cape chick huh? Or close enough anyway. My SIL has a house in Falmouth, but I'm on the North Shore, Too much traffic on the south (too much everywhere in MA these days...) and I grew up on the North Shore so...

I should have been more specific...I spent two brief periods in between hubby's duty stations living there...couldn't do it long term, for many reasons. Going to visit this summer...not at all looking forward to cape traffic, planning it so that we get there on a Monday night, and then once we are over the bridge, we are staying put until we leave. Where we live now, traffic only happens if there's a really bad accident, lol. We're at least 30 miles from an Interstate, and I love it!

the moderation argument is also completely over blown and used as an excuse in many circumstances

moderation is great for MOST things...but to use it for everything is absurd ......to put it nicely

there is no moderation argument for me when it comes to HFCS...I try hard to avoid it

I do not try to moderate crap of any kind

the moderation crowd is usally the "don't deprive" yourself crowd.....a bunch of crap to have an excuse to eat junk

the moderation argument is also completely over blown and used as an excuse in many circumstances

moderation is great for MOST things...but to use it for everything is absurd ......to put it nicely

there is no moderation argument for me when it comes to HFCS...I try hard to avoid it

I do not try to moderate crap of any kind

the moderation crowd is usally the "don't deprive" yourself crowd.....a bunch of crap to have an excuse to eat junk

Hmm... I think if you want to eat junk food, eat junk food but be aware of what it is.

Not everyone is going to make the same life choices.

My pondering is could one exist on the same meal every single day without ill health side effects?

depends on what it is

is boredom of eating the same thing an ill side effect?

if you ate the same complexand simple carb..the same fat.the same protein,,,,you could prolly live along time until you ate your hand out of boredom

So what is your suggestion for people like me that live on Soy because I can't have dairy. I haven't been able to have it since I was a newborn and have been using soy products all my life.


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Have you tried hormone free dairy, I couldn't have it either until I started buying Burbach milk, free range, free of hormones and antibiotics. It even comes in a glass bottle, you pay a deposit and return it when you go to get a new one.

First off I do not wish to offend anyone.....

Many consumers will buy anything that the food industry markets as healthy or "animal" healthy. Unless you have gone through the industry, and as someone who has. Dont believe everything you hear, it is merely a marketing ploy.
"free range" merely means that they have a 2 ft wide door that they can go out if they want to or the animals are outside. Being outside is even worse than being in close quarters. They have access to diseased wild animals as well as insects.
I also had the pleasure of meeting with the founder and CEO of a designer egg company and he flat out admitted all these designer products are just a marketing ploy. Such as omega 3 enhanced eggs....there is nothing proven about how much you actually need. SO the company just puts in a little smidgen, says they are great for you and BOOM you now have a market for a health food.

ANother example is antibiotic free and hormone free chicken...I interned with a vet at the largest chick producer in the United States and they market that they are "antibiotic and hormone free" when in actuality there isnt any, nor has there been hormones added to your chicken or antibiotics that will carry through to the muscle. But since they say hormone/antibiotiv free, people think that other brands do add those things

Now this is not the case for the dairy industry as they are allowed legally to use some amount of hormones to increase milk production.

My point being people DONT believe everything you hear/see on tv or through any media outlet. Be AWARE of marketing. People who are dieting and trying to live a healthy lifestyle are especially suseptible to these marketing ploys.

Thank you!!!! I *loved* (loathed) how EVERYTHING in the grocery store said "Trans fat free" after reports on how horrible trans fats are started surfacing. Much of it never had trans fats to begin with but suddenly everyone was making it sound like they had "improved" their product to benefit consumers.

You are dead on about the hormone/antibiotic free chicken, I've had people actually challenge me on that statement. People will believe anything they see in mass media.

Also, you are 100% correct about eggs. I don't personally buy gorcery store eggs, have too many farmer friends and co workers to need to, but there is no justification in the price of those "designer eggs" and their heavy plastic, protective cartons.

I do buy hormone free meat that is fed feed grown by the farmer and also checmical free. I also buy hormone free milk but milk in my house is a garnish. I don't believe in relying on another mammal's milk for nutrition. But I am one of those "freaks" still nursing an almost 2 year old...call me crazy, I just think she'll thrive better on human milk, lol.

Many consumers will buy anything that the food industry markets as healthy or "animal" healthy. Unless you have gone through the industry, and as someone who has. Dont believe everything you hear, it is merely a marketing ploy.
"free range" merely means that they have a 2 ft wide door that they can go out if they want to or the animals are outside. Being outside is even worse than being in close quarters. They have access to diseased wild animals as well as insects.
I also had the pleasure of meeting with the founder and CEO of a designer egg company and he flat out admitted all these designer products are just a marketing ploy. Such as omega 3 enhanced eggs....there is nothing proven about how much you actually need. SO the company just puts in a little smidgen, says they are great for you and BOOM you now have a market for a health food.

ANother example is antibiotic free and hormone free chicken...I interned with a vet at the largest chick producer in the United States and they market that they are "antibiotic and hormone free" when in actuality there isnt any, nor has there been hormones added to your chicken or antibiotics that will carry through to the muscle. But since they say hormone/antibiotiv free, people think that other brands do add those things

Now this is not the case for the dairy industry as they are allowed legally to use some amount of hormones to increase milk production.

My point being people DONT believe everything you hear/see on tv or through any media outlet. Be AWARE of marketing. People who are dieting and trying to live a healthy lifestyle are especially suseptible to these marketing ploys.

First off, 'free range' doesn't mean that they go outside, it just means that they are not in cages. They can be free range and never see the light of day.
Secondly, every single bite of livestock feed contains growth hormones and antibiotics, those things don't need to be administered directly by a vet. I have been around plenty of livestock feed, and that is how the growth hormones and antibiotics are given to livestock. Of course a poultry farmer isn't going around administering hormones and antibiotics to tens of thousands of individual chickens. Those that advertise that they are drug free purchase feed that has not had drugs added to it.
Thirdly, the absolute WORST antibiotic, pesticide, insecticide, growth hormone meat that you can eat is pork. Pigs are loaded to the hilt with all of it. To imply that the dairy industry is the only one guilty of this practice, and to downplay it by making the statement that they 'use some amount of hormones' is what is being irresponsible. They are absolutely loaded with them, or we would not be getting these animals to slaughter weight within a few months - it would take years for them to gain that amount of weight naturally.

I live in a rural area, and sometimes see a veterinarian who treats local livestock. I remember how livid he was one night when we were discussing Baytril (enrofloxacin) for a respiratory infection for one of my animals, and how the Canadian government had approved it's usage for livestock without having any clue of the long term affects on humans needing it's sister antibiotic ciprofloxacin.
I guess we'll find out after a decade, of children getting small dosages of enrofloxacin in every single mouthful of meat and dairy,what the long term affects will be to their tolerance for one of the most important antibiotics that we have today. I guess those children who don't pull through will be considered 'necessary losses' compared to the billions upon billions of dollars the meat/dairy industry will make in that same amount of time.
If people are going to eat meat, poultry, or dairy, it really is going to be a huge benefit to you to seek out organic products without drugs. Even if you have to pay more for it, just eat less of it, but it will be worth every single penny in the long run.

As per Wikipedia:
'In September 2005, the FDA withdrew approval of Baytril for use in water to treat flocks of poultry, as this practice was noted to promote the evolution of fluoroquinolone-resistant strains of the bacterium Campylobacter, a human pathogen.'

Maybe you can answer something for me Banks.... when my aunt had breast cancer, she was told by her doc not to eat any soy because it may increase the risk of the cancer coming back, something about estrogen....

Does anyone know anything about this? I can't eat any legumes, so I find it difficult to get protein from anything but animal products... I thought soy was a good alternative until I read your list.....:ohwell:

My sister is allergic to soy and I've always reacted suspiciously to it (numb lips) so it's not something I've had much of but now that I've been expanding my health choices it's good to have all this information. I wouldn't have thought to wonder whether soy was safe or not really. For the past few years all I've heard is that it's healthy, healthy, healthy.

I've always been told repeatedly that dairy is bad, bad, bad.

And I'm allergic to nuts...

so this thread was actually quite helpful in providing some ideas for calcium substitutes but really I think people like myself are stuck with supplements since alternative calcium sources are usually too low in calcium to be beneficial.

One thing I do wonder about... I keep hearing moderation is key... but isn't it true at some point in history men were eating pretty much the same foods every day (I'm talking before they figured out how to farm, etc)? I wonder what changed ... or if anything did change. I wonder if one could today have a diet consisting only of food that can be found within their region and still be 'healthy'. But of course someones going to say they had shorter lives but how do we really know? Obviously it wasn't so tragic since we still exist.

And that's what this thread did to my head. Good work guys. :happy:

My sister is allergic to soy too!!!! Her eyeballs look like they're about to blow out of her head when she eats it. I totally get the whole numb/tingling lips when I eat it as well. My lips will plump up like I've had some injections every now and then when I eat it too. Yikes!