What a Creep!
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I'll have to ask that you remove this picture of my husband at once. XD J/k0 -
He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
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I'll have to ask that you remove this picture of my husband at once. XD J/k
ROFLMAO!!0 -
A person has a right to ask not to be photographed in public, but if someone ignores that request, the photographer is not outside his or her rights. Even with minors. I used to be a reporter and we could take photos of anyone in public and even publush those photos without permission.Yes, hes a creeper. However, you were running in PUBLIC. He was within his legal rights to take pictures, because you are in a public setting and have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Bottom line - You broke the law by taking his SD card. He was a creeper, but not doing anything illegal.
You want privacy while running? Buy a damn treadmill, and use it in your home.
Not entirely true. When it comes to photographs, even in public, a person has the right to refuse to be photographed. It's not about privacy, it's about common courtesy. Was the OP right to take the SD card? No. But he is right to be upset about being photographed.0 -
WTF, that is beyond creepy!!!0
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He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
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He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
Somehow I see this in theaters and Morgan Freeman starring in this film somewhere...0 -
Report him!0
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LMAOI want my camera back!0 -
He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
YES.0 -
hahahhaha..... good for you....0
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what else was on the sd card? or do we want to know?0
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He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
Oh no! I was all in the "creepy guy" camp and now I'm feeling really sad for him! You should write for a living...0 -
alright to all the law abiding citizens....I have just returned the SD to his house....I have however deleted all the pictures of me off of it...and there were no other pictures on it just a bunch or me...now if I am in fraction of some other law...I really do not care at this point...he has has blank card back...
I hope after all the trouble you gave him, you at least gave him a hummer.
(Yea, I'm going to hell. I'm ok with it.)
With my knee in your crotch. OK I probably couldn't really do it. I can sure think about it. Real Hard.
.... Ok then. I'm going to just assume you were joking, and not ACTUALLY so immature to be angered enough to want to inflict personal injury on me because of a differing of opinion.
It's not really as simple or small as a differing of opinion. When you have been the victim of a stalker (and mine did a great deal more than take my pictures) anyone belittling anyone’s need for and right to personal safety and security is part of the problem. And you did indicate that you knew you were going to hell for it and were OK with it so, clearly, you are aware of your contribution.
Are actually concerned about personal injury? Really? Because I do know what that's like. So, given the knowledge that we have no information about each other, I suspect that you are attempting to trivialize the concerns of anyone with an opinion that differs from yours. Some stance you’ve got there.0 -
As a former P.I., I can tell you each states laws are different, but generally speaking from what it sounds like the photographer did not break any laws. But you should have reported him simply because as others have said he may be wanted for something, people like that generally are. Most laws state that you CANNOT film/photograph someone if they have a "reasonable" expectation of privacy. I.E., behind a fence on private property. If you have to look over, under, or around an obstruction to get the shot, you are probably in violation of some sort of peeping tom law. But, on the street, it's open season. Trust me I've taken thousands of hours of video, and my P.I. license didn't afford me any special privilege to do so it just meant I could charge money for doing so. All that being said, with my temper I'd probably have taken it a step further and smashed the camera on his face then said thank you very much for the pictures, lol. Makes my skin crawl.0
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Am I the only one who really doesn't find this creepy at all? In my state you can photograph anything you want that happens publicly (unless otherwise posted)...you can't however steal things that other people are showing you in good faith. I suppose he could have asked to take photos, and you could have asked to have them deleted. But whatever, just don't see this as a creepy occurrence at all.
I don't really find it creepy either. So no you're not the only one. But I find it really rude that he went up to the guy asked to see the pictures (which by law he had the right to take) and took his sd card after the guy was like "yeah they're really good." I doubt he was going to go have some "private time" with them and was probably taking photos for artistic reasons not perverted ones. And just cause he drives a van doesn't mean he is a creeper.0 -
That is a perfectly reasonable scenario, though the stuff about his wife having just died may be stretching the point.He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
The fact is that there are a lot of keen photographers around, of which I am one, and the fact is that it IS absolutely legal to photograph anyone in public.
I have photographed people in all sorts of situations without incident or complaint, perhaps being an attractive female I have "got away" without seeming creepy, but nobody has reacted as the OP did, and if they had I'd certainly have reported them to the police.
To the OP - not everything is about "you" maybe he was just trying out photographing moving people, which is rather an interesting technical challenge.0 -
All a really good point, and I've been photographed in the past, but it's polite for the photographer to state their intent and ask permission to take a couple shots. The way the guy was doing it, from a van, turning around to get more shots, just not a good way to go about it.
That is a perfectly reasonable scenario, though the stuff about his wife having just died may be stretching the point.He's probably just some old, widower that started taking a photography class to fill his spare time since his wife passed away. Here, he saw a young man reminiscent of him in his prime, and he decided to practice his new photography skills on a moving subject. When you came up to see the pictures he was probably overjoyed, finally someone to talk to about his photography! "They came out great!" he started. Then, you stole his only memory card and ran off with his photography.
You crushed an old man's heart today
The fact is that there are a lot of keen photographers around, of which I am one, and the fact is that it IS absolutely legal to photograph anyone in public.
I have photographed people in all sorts of situations without incident or complaint, perhaps being an attractive female I have "got away" without seeming creepy, but nobody has reacted as the OP did, and if they had I'd certainly have reported them to the police.
To the OP - not everything is about "you" maybe he was just trying out photographing moving people, which is rather an interesting technical challenge.0 -
Umm.... What about creep taking photos without permission. That's happened to me and I sure don't like it. You don't know why he was taking them or what he was planning to do with them. It’s assault really. It makes you upset, uneasy and fearful. How many times before you just can’t go for your run or walk the dog anymore? The “photographer” should be in jail. Just sayin’…Well it's nice you didn't go to jail for that.
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I never said that I knew why he was taking pictures. Indeed, I did not express any opinion on the matter. You are reading waaay to much into my comment. Personally I would be creeped out by the guy. True. My comment was more a legal bon mot. He is lucky. He committed battery. You can give you reasons why it is acceptable, but when you yank someones property out of their hands, that's an offensive touching. It's battery. When you take their SD card, that's theft. Actually, it's worse under the law. It's strong arm robbery.
I never took sides on this. I just stated he's lucky not to have gone to jail. And he is. Good on him. I hope he doesn't suffer any consequences. And I hope the creeper learned his lesson.
We are all entitle to our opinions, just not our own facts. Stubborn things they are indeed.0 -
alright to all the law abiding citizens....I have just returned the SD to his house....I have however deleted all the pictures of me off of it...and there were no other pictures on it just a bunch or me...now if I am in fraction of some other law...I really do not care at this point...he has has blank card back...
I hope after all the trouble you gave him, you at least gave him a hummer.
(Yea, I'm going to hell. I'm ok with it.)
With my knee in your crotch. OK I probably couldn't really do it. I can sure think about it. Real Hard.
.... Ok then. I'm going to just assume you were joking, and not ACTUALLY so immature to be angered enough to want to inflict personal injury on me because of a differing of opinion.
It's not really as simple or small as a differing of opinion. When you have been the victim of a stalker (and mine did a great deal more than take my pictures) anyone belittling anyone’s need for and right to personal safety and security is part of the problem. And you did indicate that you knew you were going to hell for it and were OK with it so, clearly, you are aware of your contribution.
Are actually concerned about personal injury? Really? Because I do know what that's like. So, given the knowledge that we have no information about each other, I suspect that you are attempting to trivialize the concerns of anyone with an opinion that differs from yours. Some stance you’ve got there.
You sure have a way of twisting words, don't you?
I mentioned I was going to hell for telling him he should have given the old man a hummer. Since you are obviously lacking a sense of humor, it was a joke.
I was not trivializing his fear. I was simply stating the old man was NOT breaking the law, and the OP was NOT within his rights to take the SD card, or bust the camera as others suggested. Its called laws, and we have them for a reason.
At no point did I tell the OP not to worry about it. By all means, EVERYONE should take steps to protect themselves. I am a firm believer in personal rights and the right to protect yourself, within the legal limits of the law.
In this case, the old man did nothing LEGALLY wrong.
Your case was a COMPLETELY different case. Just because YOU were stalked and molested does not mean ALL people that give someone a "creepy feeling" are predators. I'm not belittling your situation or what happened to you, I'm simply stating that the legal fact of the matter is you cannot treat someone as a criminal just because YOU don't like what they are doing.
So go ahead, threaten me with bodily harm because you inferred a bunch of things that I never even said. It sure shows your intelligence and maturity level.
P.S. I never said I felt threatened by you saying you wanted to knee me in the crotch. I was pointing out it was immature and ridiculous, especially since we have no idea where the other person lives, nor do I care.0 -
Umm.... What about creep taking photos without permission. That's happened to me and I sure don't like it. You don't know why he was taking them or what he was planning to do with them. It’s assault really. It makes you upset, uneasy and fearful. How many times before you just can’t go for your run or walk the dog anymore? The “photographer” should be in jail. Just sayin’…Well it's nice you didn't go to jail for that.)
I find it insane how many folks are chiming in on this post and saying this guy is a creeper, but when the government does it in the same of security everyone jumps on board and has no problem spending millions on cameras. Every where we drive in public our cars are being recorded, license plates are scanned, and the [intersection | date time | plate number] are all stored in a database that can be used to recreate your daily routines. It's only when your privacy is being taken while you see when we get upset but big brother gets a free pass.
Everyone that says "Well I'm doing nothing wrong what do I have to worry about"
Note that governments can only create and enforce law and with the new fun word "Terrorism" anyone can become a criminal. With databases being built daily on your purchases, movements, associations with others, etc. It's not that they are searching haystacks for needles the computers will just aggregate the needles to the top of a search. Look at yourself as a single website in the ocean of the Internet and these public safety cameras as google crawling and logging your every move.
Just sayin'
You are funny. Like intention has NOTHING to do with it! Let me draw some parallels for you. I do not fear Great Britain's nuclear weapons. I do fear Iran getting a nuke. I do not fear the Glock carried by a police officer. I do fear the Glock carried by a criminal. Not perfect examples, but you get the picture <pun intended>. You may not like the idea of some surveillance camera capturing your likeness when you run by, but I'm reasonably certain most would put a creeper taking pictures of you or your children on a much, much different level. Perspective dude. The guy was bothered by a perv and you go off on the war on terror?0 -
Maybe photographer is also struggling with weight, and this is simply a case of MFPPJP? (photographic jealousy of progress)To the OP - not everything is about "you" maybe he was just trying out photographing moving people, which is rather an interesting technical challenge.0 -
well, unless the driveway he pulled into was his house, he was breaking the law. nothing to do with the photography tho.
yes you can take photos of what you want in public, and if thats what he did then it would be ok. but this guy followed the OP and specifically made him a target, not just a subject. i think there maybe some legal protection in that case.
however, it still doesnt give you the right to steal his stuff.
i would have "accidently" hit the delete all button rather than taken the SD card.0 -
Maybe photographer is also struggling with weight, and this is simply a case of MFPPJP? (photographic jealousy of progress)To the OP - not everything is about "you" maybe he was just trying out photographing moving people, which is rather an interesting technical challenge.
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Umm.... What about creep taking photos without permission. That's happened to me and I sure don't like it. You don't know why he was taking them or what he was planning to do with them. It’s assault really. It makes you upset, uneasy and fearful. How many times before you just can’t go for your run or walk the dog anymore? The “photographer” should be in jail. Just sayin’…Well it's nice you didn't go to jail for that.)
I never said that I knew why he was taking pictures. Indeed, I did not express any opinion on the matter. You are reading waaay to much into my comment. Personally I would be creeped out by the guy. True. My comment was more a legal bon mot. He is lucky. He committed battery. You can give you reasons why it is acceptable, but when you yank someones property out of their hands, that's an offensive touching. It's battery. When you take their SD card, that's theft. Actually, it's worse under the law. It's strong arm robbery.
I never took sides on this. I just stated he's lucky not to have gone to jail. And he is. Good on him. I hope he doesn't suffer any consequences. And I hope the creeper learned his lesson.
We are all entitle to our opinions, just not our own facts. Stubborn things they are indeed.
I wouldn't presume to know what you knew about his motive or potential uses for those photos. I am not an attorney but we have privacy legislation in Canada that limits what you can do to individuals. I don't know what a court would make of what the op did but I do suspect it would depend on the perceived threat and the circumstances of the individual. We don't know if the photos were random or targeted. We have no real knowledge of the situation. We do know it wasn't the op's desire to steal the card, only to retrieve photos that were of him, taken without his consent while he was abiding by the law and on public property.
Regarding video surveillance: http://www.priv.gc.ca/information/guide/2008/gl_vs_080306_e.cfm0 -
Yes, hes a creeper. However, you were running in PUBLIC. He was within his legal rights to take pictures, because you are in a public setting and have no reasonable expectation of privacy.
Bottom line - You broke the law by taking his SD card. He was a creeper, but not doing anything illegal.
You want privacy while running? Buy a damn treadmill, and use it in your home.
My thoughts exactly0 -
We don't know if the photos were random or targeted. We have no real knowledge of the situation. We do know it wasn't the op's desire to steal the card, only to retrieve photos that were of him, taken without his consent while he was abiding by the law and on public property.
EXACTLY. The OP doesn't know. He is assuming. Which means he is NOT within his legal limits to perform what legally is called "Assault and battery" on the old man.
If you really feel the OP was within his legal limits, I sincerely hope you are never on a jury.
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We don't know if the photos were random or targeted. We have no real knowledge of the situation. We do know it wasn't the op's desire to steal the card, only to retrieve photos that were of him, taken without his consent while he was abiding by the law and on public property.
EXACTLY. The OP doesn't know. He is assuming. Which means he is NOT within his legal limits to perform what legally is called "Assault and battery" on the old man.
If you really feel the OP was within his legal limits, I sincerely hope you are never on a jury.
You don't know that what he did was unlawful. You don't know the law in his area and, generally, it is subjuct to motive, premeditation, etc...
Oh...NOT puppies:(((0 -
Sharp as a bowling ball...0
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Fortunately, the prosecution would instruct the jury as to what the law is, and he would certainly be found guilty.If you really feel the OP was within his legal limits, I sincerely hope you are never on a jury.0
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