At what price do we eat meat?

My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.

...until you kill them.

My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.

...until you kill them.

Ahhhh death to all....You do realize that a PLANT is a LIVING organism? Oh you didnt....Now you know.

The last Netflix show I "watched" was FOOD INC. I challenge all carnivores to watch that show for more than 5 - 10 minutes. I could not.

A very sad tribute to our food industries such as McDonalds and others.

I was headed towards plant based foods anyway, but although I love the taste of meat, I look at my 4 legged buddy Cody and can't help but think that all animals given the opportunity have charm and personality, like he does. I just don't think it is right to eat animals. Not when plants can sustain us. Dr. Fuhrman and his Eat To Live book. That cinches the deal for me.

I find meat eaters to be extremely threatened by the position of vegetarians, and I have to wonder why. As a vegetarian, I don't feel threatened by their position; I simply disagree with it. But the people who feel that human beings have a "right" to eat animals do make me see slightly red. As the OP stated, when plants will sustain us, why kill?


I think being a vegetarian is great. It's a lifestyle I wish I could have. I have gastroparesis along with other GI issues and I can not digest fiber the way others do and can't eat all vegetables unless I juice them every day and it gets expensive, sometimes not so yummy, and time consuming. I would love to be a vegetarian, if I could. Also, I was on blood thinners for 6 months after having a pulmonary embolism and the first thing they told me is no GREEN VEGGIES. Apparently, green veggies can inhibit the effects of blood thinners.

Since I have never been a vegetarian I am not sure what kind of variety there is out there in that diet without the green veggies, but I am also eating gluten free eliminating wheat and a corn free ciet due to allergies so I am one of those weirdos that has to be selective about the foods I put in my mouth and unfortunately, meat is one of the only safe things I can eat. I just don't like people getting mad or feeling angry that I eat meat. I don't like animal cruelty and I only purchase meat products from placed like whole foods that take good care of thier animals, but in my situation it's kind of like me or them...

I used your quote just because I was answering your question, I am not saying you are someone who judges others, but there are people out there who only eat vegetarian that can get mean and angry for people that do eat meat and I don't think it's fair when people get angry with me and I can't help it. At least for me personally, I will always be eating meat, but while I do, I am making sure that the animals were not treated like the ones in that video. It made me cry and puke at the same time.

I'm a vegetarian by birth, my parents raised me to be one until I was 12 then gave me the choices and options to peruse a carnivorous diet. I never ever did.

I don't believe an animal needs to die to feed my stomach and I certainly don't but this '' you are a preditory carnivore biologically''.

The people who are proud of this 'preditore carnivore' DNA don't go out in all weathers to stalk,hunt and kill an animal..they go to a grocery store. there is nothing remotely predatory about strolling around a grocery store with a shopping cart to purchase meat that has been killed, skinned, boned and preserved and processed.

A real predator doesn't require a meat packing corporation to do that for them.

I personally don't care what people eat, but in my mind, my social conscience prevents me from the need to eat an animal where there is no need to do so...others are fine with this, good luck to them.

Happy hunting.

Are you saying you are real Vegatarian? So you have a huge garden at your house and only eat what you are able to grow? Because a real vegatarian won't go to the grocery store for their food.

See how silly that train of thought is when it's on the ofher foot?

Happy Planting

harvesting vegetables isn't predatory...is it???

No. But that's about being a meat eater. It's quite hyprocritical of you to critcize people that get meat from their store, when you are shopping for carrots right next to them.

so why not grow a pair and catch your own meat if you are a predator?? I am not a predator and my food comes from the ground, be it in my own garden or that of a farm. my conscience allows me to purchase my vegetables knowing that no one has had to die, and being devoid of a ''predatory '' instinct, I am devoid of the need to kill to eat....or those who lack that cutting predatory edge, do the killing for me.

and I have no doubt Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, Novarro Bowman and co are REAL predators!!!

Go 49ers!

My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.

...until you kill them.

Ahhhh death to all....You do realize that a PLANT is a LIVING organism? Oh you didnt....Now you know.

Oh, please....be serious....Why would you care about plants without nervous systems, when you eat meat?

My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.

...until you kill them.

Ahhhh death to all....You do realize that a PLANT is a LIVING organism? Oh you didnt....Now you know.

Oh, please....be serious....Why would you care about plants without nervous systems, when you eat meat?

I am serious. You are berating choices of people that you do not know and on a level you cannot perceive.
I eat both and do not care, either way. What I do care about is your lack of respect for those who choose not see eat as you do. And lets put something into perspective...How do you know a plant doesn't "Feel" in respect to a nervous system...are you a plant? are you sure they don't feel something in another form? No one knows this answer...including you. We can only speculate based on what we have learned. but until you become that which you kill to eat, you will never know. Remember this...they have the ability do something you don't...convert your hot air into the pure oxygen from which you get to continue beating your chest in perception that what you know is right.

Take what you believe as your own truths, but don't force them down others because they are not you. Everyone's body is different and reacts as such. You cannot get everything from a plant...and that goes the same as for meat. Just accept that you enjoy the lifestyle you have and others for themselves.

My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.

...until you kill them.

Ahhhh death to all....You do realize that a PLANT is a LIVING organism? Oh you didnt....Now you know.

Oh, please....be serious....Why would you care about plants without nervous systems, when you eat meat?

I am serious. You are berating choices of people that you do not know and on a level you cannot perceive.
I eat both and do not care, either way. What I do care about is your lack of respect for those who choose not see eat as you do. And lets put something into perspective...How do you know a plant doesn't "Feel" in respect to a nervous system...are you a plant? are you sure they don't feel something in another form? No one knows this answer...including you. We can only speculate based on what we have learned. but until you become that which you kill to eat, you will never know. Remember this...they have the ability do something you don't...convert your hot air into the pure oxygen from which you get to continue beating your chest in perception that what you know is right.

Take what you believe as your own truths, but don't force them down others because they are not you. Everyone's body is different and reacts as such. You cannot get everything from a plant...and that goes the same as for meat. Just accept that you enjoy the lifestyle you have and others for themselves.

Most predictable. Thank you for confirming that nothing new has materialized in the 'Plants are alive, too' argument. I grew up on a family farm. We raised chickens, turkeys, pigs and black angus for meat. We also had a one-acre garden. So I know both pretty well. Go look at these organisms, and then tell me that they have equal sentience. (Oh, I KNOW, you wil tell me "I never said that.)

Just as in law, there are capital felonies and petty crimes, there's a spectrum of cruelty. Eating plants sits lower on that spectrum than meat-eating, in my opinion. This is as much as I want to hear about this boring "plants have feelings too' discussion. Bring on something novel, or just stop talking to me.

My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.

...until you kill them.

Ahhhh death to all....You do realize that a PLANT is a LIVING organism? Oh you didnt....Now you know.

Oh, please....be serious....Why would you care about plants without nervous systems, when you eat meat?

I am serious. You are berating choices of people that you do not know and on a level you cannot perceive.
I eat both and do not care, either way. What I do care about is your lack of respect for those who choose not see eat as you do. And lets put something into perspective...How do you know a plant doesn't "Feel" in respect to a nervous system...are you a plant? are you sure they don't feel something in another form? No one knows this answer...including you. We can only speculate based on what we have learned. but until you become that which you kill to eat, you will never know. Remember this...they have the ability do something you don't...convert your hot air into the pure oxygen from which you get to continue beating your chest in perception that what you know is right.

Take what you believe as your own truths, but don't force them down others because they are not you. Everyone's body is different and reacts as such. You cannot get everything from a plant...and that goes the same as for meat. Just accept that you enjoy the lifestyle you have and others for themselves.

Most predictable. Thank you for confirming that nothing new has materialized in the 'Plants are alive, too' argument. I grew up on a family farm. We raised chickens, turkeys, pigs and black angus for meat. We also had a one-acre garden. So I know both pretty well. Go look at these organisms, and then tell me that they have equal sentience. (Oh, I KNOW, you wil tell me "I never said that.)

Just as in law, there are capital felonies and petty crimes, there's a spectrum of cruelty. Eating plants sits lower on that spectrum than meat-eating, in my opinion. This is as much as I want to hear about this boring "plants have feelings too' discussion. Bring on something novel, or just stop talking to me.

Novel? Why does it need to be novel? Spectrum of cruelty? This site isnt about cruelty, its about health and the choices we have an supporting those around us. Not wanting to be self-righteous, and shove our individual beliefs down others viewing throats. So, keep it to yourself if you cant be supportive

For any meat-eaters who think they are original thinkers, check this out:

http://i.imgur.com/R3OrV.jpg

Lol, that was funny. Here's my defense. I eat animals because I CAN and because I enjoy it.

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Yeah, you CAN now, but this practice of feeding grain to animals is an inefficient way to feed the planet. So, like it or not, once the meat and dairy subsidies go, you'll be paying $100/lb for hamburger. Then, talk to me.

hmmm I have read this thread in it's entirety now. I think there are great arguements on both sides, but I also see a select few who seem to just "stir the pot" or seem like they are trying to pick a fight. I agree with the OP who said the choice of eating meat was like the choice to spank/not spank. It might work for some and not for others.

I personlly eat meat, but I am also careful about where I buy it from. I chose free range, grass fed, organic etc. That being said, I also choose organic fruits and vegetables for the same reason I choose organic meats.

I am a farm girl. I have raised them from babies, named them, killed them, processed the meat with my bare hands and then knew which of my animal friends I was eating.

We are who we are and it is up to each individual to make their own food choices. Mr Rogers was a vegetarian. He said he couldn't eat anything that had a face. I love him but gotta have fish, poultry, pork and to a lesser extent beef.