At what price do we eat meat?

VegesaurusRex

My daughter has been a vegetarian for a few years now, and has recently become seriously anemic. It is certainly a choice that you can make to not eat meat, but you have to be very careful to eat the right foods or you can endanger your health.

That's not a reason not to be vegetarian. That's a reason to be sensibly vegetarian, and eat a healthy diet. I've been a vegetarian for nearly 30 years, and have never been anaemic. Not even when pregnant. I do hope your daughter gets some good support, sorts her nutrition out, and is well very soon.

Agreed!

meerkat70

Anatomically we are a vegetarian species. Morally and ethically, vegetarianism is superior. Eating meat is self distructive. Come on, nobody disagrees with that?

Ah veggie friends. Come on. It's not a war. Nobody ever got 'turned' vegetarian through the arguments of militant vegetarians... :-D

CaptainGordo

Anatomically we are a vegetarian species. Morally and ethically, vegetarianism is superior. Eating meat is self distructive. Come on, nobody disagrees with that?

Ah veggie friends. Come on. It's not a war. Nobody ever got 'turned' vegetarian through the arguments of militant vegetarians... :-D

Exactly. Sadly, these asshats make other vegans/vegetarians look bad. They do a real disservice to their "cause" by being so abrasive and self-righteous.

VegesaurusRex

Anatomically we are a vegetarian species. Morally and ethically, vegetarianism is superior. Eating meat is self distructive. Come on, nobody disagrees with that?

Ah veggie friends. Come on. It's not a war. Nobody ever got 'turned' vegetarian through the arguments of militant vegetarians... :-D

You are absolutely right, Meerkat, but I am not trying to convince these people because that is impossible. I have read some of this thread and they are here just to poke at you. Well let them poke at me, I bite back.

VegesaurusRex

If you like colon cancer and heart disease, eat meat. If you like stomping all over the Golden Rule, eat meat.

You're right. I much prefer anemia. Anemia ftw!

Try eatinng spinich. It worked for Popeye.

Nope. Spinich.

He ate meat

nursenikki829

My husband is a butcher, and I like meat. The animals that I eat haven't been killed in an inhumane manner, and the deer have been killed as food and population control. To each their own. If you want to live on veggies, go for it. If you want to eat meat, enjoy. There is no point in becoming defensive or trying to change people's minds. I believe that we are given information about certain topics, and we do with that information what we choose.

meerkat70

This thread's starting to make me want to eat a steak.

lilmissemmylou

I have to say I honestly do not see the appeal of eating meat at all.

I grew up on a beef farm and any time I challenged my dislike of meat I was told to pipe down which I did until the age of 16 when I just started to buy my own quorn so I could still eat normal family meals but without animal in it. I have never had any problems with my diet of choice and I was always a healthy weight until 5 yrs ago when having a baby and thinking ice cream was the answer to heart burn made me gain 4 stone which i am still shaking the last of it off!

I dont really see why we "need" to eat meat? I mean i get that it tasted nice, I do remember that I loved fish for example but I was equally very pleased when quorn brought out "fish" based items and so long as I dont "need" to eat it, I won't.

Personally, if it had a face, then I'm not eating it, I would much rather enjoy my animals out in the wild looking beautiful along with the rest of nature Further still, the idea of flying meat all the way around the world is absurd! I don't understand why people would choose lamb all the way from New Zealand while living in ireland/UK... I mean where is the logic!? (and before people ask... yes I do try to limit my food miles on normal fruit and veg )

CaptainGordo

Come on gang. I have a basketball game in a few minutes. Let's rock and roll.

What do you hope to accomplish, Champ? Get the thread locked before you go, or to have all meat-eaters repent and declare themselves vegans?

runnercheryl

Apologies for slight sidetracking.

What I'm seeing here is a case of a couple trying to get everyone to move over to their thread from the one people are currently in. When people aren't moving to their thread, they've taken it upon themselves to do everything in their power to get another thread closed, derailing considerate and respectful debate to get their own way.

Does this happen a lot here? I'm new to MFP and was enjoying the forum and having discussions on various subjects, but I'm not sure I want to spend time coming back here each day if I'm going to see a lot of this.

MrsObundles

The last Netflix show I "watched" was FOOD INC. I challenge all carnivores to watch that show for more than 5 - 10 minutes. I could not.

A very sad tribute to our food industries such as McDonalds and others.

I was headed towards plant based foods anyway, but although I love the taste of meat, I look at my 4 legged buddy Cody and can't help but think that all animals given the opportunity have charm and personality, like he does. I just don't think it is right to eat animals. Not when plants can sustain us. Dr. Fuhrman and his Eat To Live book. That cinches the deal for me.

I haven't seen that movie (I'll make a mental note to watch it) but did recently watch Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. have you seen this one?

BigDaddyBRC

Yes, plants can give us everything our body needs....NOT. Get over the self-righteous one way or another. What works for some does not for others. A film will not change the fact that not everything can come from Greens or Meats.

CaptainGordo

Apologies for slight sidetracking.

What I'm seeing here is a case of a couple trying to get everyone to move over to their thread from the one people are currently in. When people aren't moving to their thread, they've taken it upon themselves to do everything in their power to get another thread closed, derailing considerate and respectful debate to get their own way.

Does this happen a lot here? I'm new to MFP and was enjoying the forum and having discussions on various subjects, but I'm not sure I want to spend time coming back here each day if I'm going to see a lot of this.

Most of us can have a civil exchange of ideas. Sadly, a few cannot.

tigersword

I have to say I honestly do not see the appeal of eating meat at all.

I grew up on a beef farm and any time I challenged my dislike of meat I was told to pipe down which I did until the age of 16 when I just started to buy my own quorn so I could still eat normal family meals but without animal in it. I have never had any problems with my diet of choice and I was always a healthy weight until 5 yrs ago when having a baby and thinking ice cream was the answer to heart burn made me gain 4 stone which i am still shaking the last of it off!

I dont really see why we "need" to eat meat? I mean i get that it tasted nice, I do remember that I loved fish for example but I was equally very pleased when quorn brought out "fish" based items and so long as I dont "need" to eat it, I won't.

Personally, if it had a face, then I'm not eating it, I would much rather enjoy my animals out in the wild looking beautiful along with the rest of nature Further still, the idea of flying meat all the way around the world is absurd! I don't understand why people would choose lamb all the way from New Zealand while living in ireland/UK... I mean where is the logic!? (and before people ask... yes I do try to limit my food miles on normal fruit and veg )

Veggies have faces, too...



Like I said previously, I eat a lot of vegetarian meals, and have no issues with people who prefer to eat that way exclusively, but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to post that pic. :laugh:

iplayoutside19

Gee, I wonder what the deer did for population control before the hunters came by.

They starved to death or were eaten by other predators that weren't human?

VegesaurusRex

Apologies for slight sidetracking.

What I'm seeing here is a case of a couple trying to get everyone to move over to their thread from the one people are currently in. When people aren't moving to their thread, they've taken it upon themselves to do everything in their power to get another thread closed, derailing considerate and respectful debate to get their own way.

Does this happen a lot here? I'm new to MFP and was enjoying the forum and having discussions on various subjects, but I'm not sure I want to spend time coming back here each day if I'm going to see a lot of this.

Most of us can have a civil exchange of ideas. Sadly, a few cannot.

Would you like me to quote a few of your posts on the subject of civil exchange?

Jeff92se

nursenikki829

There have been hunter's around for a long time, and less deer population control was required because humans were less densely populated. I would much rather eat venison for dinner than see a deer dead on the side of the road. ( I am typing this as I sautee some venison for dinner:happy:

mcdonl

I hunt and trap, most of my meat I harvest myself. I buy very little. To be honest, I prefer veggie burgers

VegesaurusRex

Yes, plants can give us everything our body needs....NOT. Get over the self-righteous one way or another. What works for some does not for others. A film will not change the fact that not everything can come from Greens or Meats.

Really, big daddy, I see you are an expert on physiology and evolutionary history. Please give me a list of studies that you rely upon for the above absurd statement. Give me one study at least.

VegesaurusRex

I hunt and trap, most of my meat I harvest myself. I buy very little. To be honest, I prefer veggie burgers

I am sorry to hear that. Hunting is cruelty. Trapping is megga cruetly. I have no respect for either hunters or trappers.

killagb

I hunt and trap, most of my meat I harvest myself. I buy very little. To be honest, I prefer veggie burgers

I am sorry to hear that. Hunting is cruelty. Trapping is megga cruetly. I have no respect for either hunters or trappers.

I am sure the feeling is mutual.

VegesaurusRex

I hunt and trap, most of my meat I harvest myself. I buy very little. To be honest, I prefer veggie burgers

I am sorry to hear that. Hunting is cruelty. Trapping is megga cruetly. I have no respect for either hunters or trappers.

I am sure the feeling is mutual.

Believe me it is. I am well known by certain populations in my area.

VegesaurusRex

I hunt and trap, most of my meat I harvest myself. I buy very little. To be honest, I prefer veggie burgers

I am sorry to hear that. Hunting is cruelty. Trapping is megga cruetly. I have no respect for either hunters or trappers.

I am sure the feeling is mutual.

Do you realize that virtually ever serial killer was a hunter or trapper or abused animals. Take Albert De Salvio, the Boston Strangler. He used to put cats in cages and shot them. Frankly, I can really see the connection.

Believe me it is. I am well known by certain populations in my area.

VegesaurusRex

Sorry, time to play basketball. See you guys tomorrow.

Jeff92se

I hope the leather ball doesn't hit his face. Might accidently injest animal

pucenavel

I'd say on average the price is around $6 per pound

Thomasm198

Sorry, time to play basketball. See you guys tomorrow.

I look forward to your return.

:yawn:

lawoods

I am an animal lover and a omnivore. I raise cattle for meat and milk. I love my cows. LOVE my cows. (more than people some days .lol) I love their personalities. Their job is to feed people. My job is to give them the best care possible to make that happen. When I was younger I will admit it was hard for me to eat the animals I raised. But I grew up and I appreciate what they were put here for. So many people have lost the connection and understanding of where their food comes from and the people who work really hard to make that happen. We don't get snow days we get work yourself even harder days. It's a constant stress. Death is part of life and it is never pretty and should never be taken for granted. People see the bad things and assume that's how it all works. That's just not true. If you raise animals for food they are your livelihood. They don't do well-you don't do well.

I've been to several large (and small) packing (slaughter) houses and was amazed at how well it was all orchestrated. The cattle were calm and well treated.

I've seen bad things happen with animals. And honestly, people who will treat animals inhumanely treat people the same way. But most people are unwilling to work as it requires to to raise animals. They'd rather have air conditioning and a pension.

You don't have to eat meat if you don't want to but unless you have lived the life of a care taker don't judge. Making your decisions from a movie that has an agenda may not be the best plan.

blink1021

I was raised a vegetarian. I've seen Food, Inc. I've seen Super-Size Me, too. I've seen documentaries on animal cruelty as part of the meat preparation process. I've personally been into a slaughterhouse and watched the slaughter happen.

But I began eating meat as of my 20's and still do. The only difference now is that I make sure I buy organic, humanely raised/slaughtered, free range, no-antibiotics or pesticides used meat products. Yes, it costs more. I don't care. I want to support the people who raise them humanely, not the big-agri industries out to make a buck at the animal's expense.

On the other hand, I don't eat fast food anymore. :devil:

To each his own. The meat vs vegan/vegetarian argument is like the to spank/not to spank one, and the evolution vs creationism one, and the democrats vs republican one. No one is ever going to convince the other side of their wrongness. So best to let it be.
Live the way you want to live and leave others to do the same.

Couldn't have said it better :happy: