At what price do we eat meat?
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My cows trust me to treat them well. And I do.
...until you kill them.
Ahhhh death to all....You do realize that a PLANT is a LIVING organism? Oh you didnt....Now you know.
Oh, please....be serious....Why would you care about plants without nervous systems, when you eat meat?
I am serious. You are berating choices of people that you do not know and on a level you cannot perceive.
I eat both and do not care, either way. What I do care about is your lack of respect for those who choose not see eat as you do. And lets put something into perspective...How do you know a plant doesn't "Feel" in respect to a nervous system...are you a plant? are you sure they don't feel something in another form? No one knows this answer...including you. We can only speculate based on what we have learned. but until you become that which you kill to eat, you will never know. Remember this...they have the ability do something you don't...convert your hot air into the pure oxygen from which you get to continue beating your chest in perception that what you know is right.
Take what you believe as your own truths, but don't force them down others because they are not you. Everyone's body is different and reacts as such. You cannot get everything from a plant...and that goes the same as for meat. Just accept that you enjoy the lifestyle you have and others for themselves.
Most predictable. Thank you for confirming that nothing new has materialized in the 'Plants are alive, too' argument. I grew up on a family farm. We raised chickens, turkeys, pigs and black angus for meat. We also had a one-acre garden. So I know both pretty well. Go look at these organisms, and then tell me that they have equal sentience. (Oh, I KNOW, you wil tell me "I never said that.)
Just as in law, there are capital felonies and petty crimes, there's a spectrum of cruelty. Eating plants sits lower on that spectrum than meat-eating, in my opinion. This is as much as I want to hear about this boring "plants have feelings too' discussion. Bring on something novel, or just stop talking to me.
I read a study once that plants talked about how plants send out stronger electrical impulses when someone who is mean to them is in the room. What they did is hook a device to plants that recorded the plants electrical output...whatever that mens in plant land. Then they sent a person into the room who was "mean to the plant" they yelled, shook the pot and sometimes removed a leaf. THen they sent someone in the room who was "nice" to the plant . They watered it, took care of it, talked nice to it. After a few episodes of both when the "mean" person went into the room the plant would become "excited" and send out more electrical impulses...does this mean they have "feelings".
Check out the meaning of the word anthropomorphic. Plants and animals do not really have feelings or emotions that humans have.0 -
I don't think Food, Inc. was about stopping eating meat but rather that there are more humane ways to raise and slaughter animals than what is commercially standard now.
That being said, I would really like to find more places that sell humanely raised beef and chicken, but it's not easy to do unless you want to spend an arm and a leg, which most of us simply cannot afford.
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I've found without question that the best way to lead others to a more plant-based diet is by example - to lead with your fork, not your mouth.
Bernie Wilke, quoted in Joanne Stepaniak, The Vegan Sourcebook, 1998
Someone should have read this book.0 -
I usually buy what is on sale too. Love that beef! And chicken, pork, lamb, bison, elk, venison, fish, shrimp......The last Netflix show I "watched" was FOOD INC. I challenge all carnivores to watch that show for more than 5 - 10 minutes. I could not.
A very sad tribute to our food industries such as McDonalds and others.
I was headed towards plant based foods anyway, but although I love the taste of meat, I look at my 4 legged buddy Cody and can't help but think that all animals given the opportunity have charm and personality, like he does. I just don't think it is right to eat animals. Not when plants can sustain us. Dr. Fuhrman and his Eat To Live book. That cinches the deal for me.
About $10.00 AUS a kilo
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Just as in law, there are capital felonies and petty crimes, there's a spectrum of cruelty. Eating plants sits lower on that spectrum than meat-eating, in my opinion. This is as much as I want to hear about this boring "plants have feelings too' discussion. Bring on something novel, or just stop talking to me.
Just like some people in my community believe that protecting livestock and other farm animals takes precedence over the life of a coyote or fox. Your perspective is respected even though you peg me as mega cruel. My daughter watched food inc this year in middle school and has been a strict vegatarian ever since then, but she still works with me to tend my trap line.
As far as eating meat, well.. I prefer low fat, low calorie high fiber diets so I keep my meat intake to a minimum.
I like your diet, but not your trapping. Congratulations for eating a lot of plants. I definitely applaud that.0 -
I watched that documentary too. And I still eat meat because it's f***ing delicious.
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Did you want me to SAY something? Is this your version of a 'steak in your eye'? Not original.0 -
I am a farm girl. I have raised them from babies, named them, killed them, processed the meat with my bare hands and then knew which of my animal friends I was eating.
We are who we are and it is up to each individual to make their own food choices. Mr Rogers was a vegetarian. He said he couldn't eat anything that had a face. I love him but gotta have fish, poultry, pork and to a lesser extent beef.
Why?
Because some of us enjoy eating meat? Why do you insist on making this thread, because you wanted to. We each live life by our own philosophies, leave it be; it's a silly debate.0 -
Maybe before then I'll die of colorectal cancer...................Yeah, you CAN now, but this practice of feeding grain to animals is an inefficient way to feed the planet. So, like it or not, once the meat and dairy subsidies go, you'll be paying $100/lb for hamburger. Then, talk to me.
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Did you want me to SAY something? Is this your version of a 'steak in your eye'? Not original.
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Raised on a ranch and love a rare steak! Mountain oysters are awesome, too!0
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Just as in law, there are capital felonies and petty crimes, there's a spectrum of cruelty. Eating plants sits lower on that spectrum than meat-eating, in my opinion. This is as much as I want to hear about this boring "plants have feelings too' discussion. Bring on something novel, or just stop talking to me.
Just like some people in my community believe that protecting livestock and other farm animals takes precedence over the life of a coyote or fox. Your perspective is respected even though you peg me as mega cruel. My daughter watched food inc this year in middle school and has been a strict vegatarian ever since then, but she still works with me to tend my trap line.
As far as eating meat, well.. I prefer low fat, low calorie high fiber diets so I keep my meat intake to a minimum.
I like your diet, but not your trapping. Congratulations for eating a lot of plants. I definitely applaud that.
And I applaud you as well for your convictions, and if someone comes up with a better way of managing the predator population in Southern Maine from destroying the deer heard, killing farm animals, pets and anything else they can get their teeth into I will gladly not get up at 2:00 in the morning 7 days a week from October until January for a free turkey at thanksgiving and a couple of goose eggs throught the year
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Did you want me to SAY something? Is this your version of a 'steak in your eye'? Not original.
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Thanks for posting this jerk! I'm sitting at work starving and then I stumble across this. LMAO0 -
Maybe before then I'll die of colorectal cancer...................Yeah, you CAN now, but this practice of feeding grain to animals is an inefficient way to feed the planet. So, like it or not, once the meat and dairy subsidies go, you'll be paying $100/lb for hamburger. Then, talk to me.
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Or before the veggies die of samonella.0 -
Raised on a ranch and love a rare steak! Mountain oysters are awesome, too!
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Hey OP. You were brave to post this, and I applaud you.
"If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we'd all be vegetarians"
Its so silly to get into it with anyone on here though. Unfortunately Vegans/Vegetarians can be aggressive. The best way to to show meat-eaters is by being healthy and strong and displaying how great we can look on a mainly plant based diet.
I'm not anemic, nor too skinny, and I can build muscle. You can't get sick on a mainly plant based diet, if you are eating the right foods, it only happens if you really don't know what you are doing or replacing your old junk with new junk.
But, with that being said, I wish we could all just get a long :flowerforyou:
Funny story though, My fiance has a big, Persian family. They are very much meat-eaters. When I told them I didn't eat meat they looked at me funny and said "You no eat MEAT? What do you eat??" I swear it was straight out of my big fat greek wedding! 0 -
Lol, that was funny. Here's my defense. I eat animals because I CAN and because I enjoy it.For any meat-eaters who think they are original thinkers, check this out:
http://i.imgur.com/R3OrV.jpg
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Yeah, you CAN now, but this practice of feeding grain to animals is an inefficient way to feed the planet. So, like it or not, once the meat and dairy subsidies go, you'll be paying $100/lb for hamburger. Then, talk to me.
You haven't forgotten the heavy agricultural gov't subsidies have you? Or did you conveniently leave that out?
Watch 'King Corn' on Netflix, then talk to me.
No. Watch the subsidies end and farm goods skyrocket in price.THEN talk to me. Isn't that the appropriate response?
I think plant agriculture should get the lion's share of subsidies, so that inexpensive produce would be affordable to all. Just end the corn, and animal agriculture subsidies. And, yes, I do think that day will come.0 -
Raised on a ranch and love a rare steak! Mountain oysters are awesome, too!
LOL My mom eats those (Mountain Oysters), Can't say that I have any intention on trying them either!0 -
Did you want me to SAY something? Is this your version of a 'steak in your eye'? Not original.
pictures = thousand words.
Thanks for posting this jerk! I'm sitting at work starving and then I stumble across this. LMAO
Question. If I posted a pic of
would it have had the same reaction? I doubt vegatarians are going "OMG, I'm so hungry now!" 0 -
As I post I'm currently cooking flanken ribs. The smell of barbeque!!!!!!!!!
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Please explain this to me vegetarians:
You get all your nutrients from plants, which is natural and healthy, except B-12 since that has to be "fortified"
But yet, most vegetarians eat "fake" meat, which is processed and not healthy is any way, and lots of grains, which is also processed, seeing as how we cant digest grains unless they are processed.
So, to me this says: Don't eat something that's natural and healthy and can give you the B-12 you need, but go ahead and eat things that are processed and fortified because THAT is healthy.
Shouldn't we ALL be trying to eat things that are NATURAL and not processed or chemically altered in some way or another? Isn't eating all this processed junk food, added nutrients BS, and all these processed grains whats making everyone so unhealthy in the first place?0 -
Lol, that was funny. Here's my defense. I eat animals because I CAN and because I enjoy it.For any meat-eaters who think they are original thinkers, check this out:
http://i.imgur.com/R3OrV.jpg
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Yeah, you CAN now, but this practice of feeding grain to animals is an inefficient way to feed the planet. So, like it or not, once the meat and dairy subsidies go, you'll be paying $100/lb for hamburger. Then, talk to me.
You haven't forgotten the heavy agricultural gov't subsidies have you? Or did you conveniently leave that out?
Watch 'King Corn' on Netflix, then talk to me.
No. Watch the subsidies end and farm goods skyrocket in price.THEN talk to me. Isn't that the appropriate response?
I think plant agriculture should get the lion's share of subsidies, so that inexpensive produce would be affordable to all. Just end the corn, and animal agriculture subsidies. And, yes, I do think that day will come.
Exactly why should subsidies for agricultural items that give us high sugar, high calorie, high sodium products be favorable to you? ie.. sugary cereals, chips, colas etc. etc etc..
That's are much worse and more devoid of nutrition than lean meats.0 -
Some people may feel bad eating meat and it is their prerogative not to but humans are clearly designed as omnivores. We have canine teeth (the pointy ones in front) designed to tear which are only useful to meat eaters, and our stereoscopic vision is designed to help us judge the distance to our prey (most herbivores have dual monocular vision which is better to look out for predators while grazing).0
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Please explain this to me vegetarians:
You get all your nutrients from plants, which is natural and healthy, except B-12 since that has to be "fortified"
But yet, most vegetarians eat "fake" meat, which is processed and not healthy is any way, and lots of grains, which is also processed, seeing as how we cant digest grains unless they are processed.
So, to me this says: Don't eat something that's natural and healthy and can give you the B-12 you need, but go ahead and eat things that are processed and fortified because THAT is healthy.
Shouldn't we ALL be trying to eat things that are NATURAL and not processed or chemically altered in some way or another? Isn't eating all this processed junk food, added nutrients BS, and all these processed grains whats making everyone so unhealthy in the first place?
I totally agree with you! Since cutting most processed foods out of my diet I feel so much better!0 -
In a society that seems to be tolerant of all behaviors good or bad, why is vegetarian vs meat eater so heated?
CAN'T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG?!0 -
Just as in law, there are capital felonies and petty crimes, there's a spectrum of cruelty. Eating plants sits lower on that spectrum than meat-eating, in my opinion. This is as much as I want to hear about this boring "plants have feelings too' discussion. Bring on something novel, or just stop talking to me.
Just like some people in my community believe that protecting livestock and other farm animals takes precedence over the life of a coyote or fox. Your perspective is respected even though you peg me as mega cruel. My daughter watched food inc this year in middle school and has been a strict vegatarian ever since then, but she still works with me to tend my trap line.
As far as eating meat, well.. I prefer low fat, low calorie high fiber diets so I keep my meat intake to a minimum.
I like your diet, but not your trapping. Congratulations for eating a lot of plants. I definitely applaud that.
And I applaud you as well for your convictions, and if someone comes up with a better way of managing the predator population in Southern Maine from destroying the deer heard, killing farm animals, pets and anything else they can get their teeth into I will gladly not get up at 2:00 in the morning 7 days a week from October until January for a free turkey at thanksgiving and a couple of goose eggs throught the year
I know that animals can be pests. We have black bears who have come up to our windows and clawed them. I appreciate that you give thought to this issue. Some people here don't seem to have any doubts where they stand--it's all: give me MEAT. They tend to not interest me much. I like some dimension in my discussions, and people with interesting facets to their thinking fascinate me.0 -
Did you want me to SAY something? Is this your version of a 'steak in your eye'? Not original.
pictures = thousand words.
Thanks for posting this jerk! I'm sitting at work starving and then I stumble across this. LMAO
Question. If I posted a pic of would it have had the same reaction? I doubt vegatarians are going "OMG, I'm so hungry now!"
*kitten*-U-ME, again?????? I think these pictures are intended to disgust and incite people who love animals and don't eat them. It's not about you.0 -
One dimensional? I eat both. You eat just one. Who's the one being 1 dimensional here?0
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Please explain this to me vegetarians:
You get all your nutrients from plants, which is natural and healthy, except B-12 since that has to be "fortified"
But yet, most vegetarians eat "fake" meat, which is processed and not healthy is any way, and lots of grains, which is also processed, seeing as how we cant digest grains unless they are processed.
So, to me this says: Don't eat something that's natural and healthy and can give you the B-12 you need, but go ahead and eat things that are processed and fortified because THAT is healthy.
Shouldn't we ALL be trying to eat things that are NATURAL and not processed or chemically altered in some way or another? Isn't eating all this processed junk food, added nutrients BS, and all these processed grains whats making everyone so unhealthy in the first place?
This is exactly why I said that regardless of one's decision to eat meat or not, they will likely still fuel and support the same food industry with their other food choices, since the industrial food industry is driven mostly by corn and soy production, CAFOs included. There is more to it then just choosing not to eat animals. There are entire other "food systems" to support with how and what someone eats.
And besides all of that, the documentary was not about cutting meat out of one's diet. It was precisely about our current methods of meat production and consumption.
ETA: I'm not trying to single you out here, you just had a good point and I wanted to elaborate on it.
And I found this article a while ago that perhaps someone on here might be interested in reading:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-katz-md/ethics-of-eating-animals_b_961242.html0
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