My response to people that say humans HAVE to eat meat...

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  • StevLL
    StevLL Posts: 921 Member
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    A cow and a carrot walk into a bar, the rabbit says to the lion,..../

    Really,...Who throws a shoe?
  • laurenk182004
    laurenk182004 Posts: 1,882 Member
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    I just read 4 pages of this thread. I honestly didn't think the OP was that bad, but the longer I read the more I want steak now. I can't believe how many people get so worked up about who eats what. To each their own.
  • Emilia6909
    Emilia6909 Posts: 309 Member
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    I just read 4 pages of this thread. I honestly didn't think the OP was that bad, but the longer I read the more I want steak now. I can't believe how many people get so worked up about who eats what. To each their own.

    I thread like this always brings out the "professional" in a lot of members. You've gotta laugh..... All we need now is a case of Mad Cow Decease!

    I think that OP made valid points but as always, it has been taken out of context! Same old, Same old!!
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
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    We aren't carnivores. We're OMNIVORES.

    Define OMNIVORE in a way that it cannot mean either a tiger or a mouse.

    What? :huh:

    Mice can be omnivorous.... tiger's aren't.

    I'm not sure what you even mean.

    Are you saying tigers can't eat berries? Please be very precise because I would have to bring in a bunch of studies to show you don't know what you are talking about based on a misunderstanding.

    Also, why don't you address Dr Roberts defintiion of herbivore. I respect his definition far more than that of a 3/4 Ph.D. who apparently has no idea how to cite articles defending her position.

    I will tell you my point up front. If your defintion of "omnivore" is so vague as to include every member of Animalia, then it is totally useless. I gave you several cites and precise definitions. I told you physiologically what the difference beween a carnivore and a herbivore is. You have given me nothing so far except your ex cathedra statements. I am not interested in arguing with the Pope. I want scientic answers, not opinions.

    If you are saying tigers are able to eat berries then you are wrong. Tigers cannot eat berries. If you fed cats a vegan or vegetarian diet they will get sick and die a horrible death. Cats cannot produce the amino acid taurine on their own, the only way they can get this amino acid is in meat. Omnivores which is us, pigs, dogs are able to make this amino acid with a balance diet that includes animal by produce. Cats can't live off just animal by product it has to be pure meat because of this amino acid. This is why they are a true carnivore since no meat for a cat equals death.

    First, virtually all carnivores eat berries or other plants when meat is not available. While I would not want a Tiger to try to live on blueberries, they can get nutritiion out of them and this type of food can sustain them..

    Cats have only a LIMITED ability to synthesize the essential amino acid taurine from sulfur-containing amino acids. Therefore, a cat's diet must provide taurine. It also helps for the diet to be rich in sulfur-containing amino acids. Diets low in protein, and therefore sulfur-amino acids, are more likely to induce taurine deficiency. Therefore, even though cats CAN synthesize taurine, they would likely suffer and or die without meat. That is why they are carnivores. That is also why we are NOT carnivores.
  • VegesaurusRex
    VegesaurusRex Posts: 1,018
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    Winning what? Proof that you can cite bibliographies out of an on line course syllibus? Okay, you give me the proper citation, with page number for everything that is precisely relevant to what you want to prove.. Oh, yes, and again for the one hundreth time WHAT IS YOUR POINT. WHAT ARE YOU CLAIMING. You still haven't gotten to square one.


    Oops. Sorry I though the 3/4 Ph.D. posted that. I do understand what YOUR point is and it is just wrong. This is a good example of what we call "junk science."
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
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    It's all , carbon, hydrogen , nitrogen and oxygen in my view , people can decide whatever they want to eat.

    I might want to point out that YOU TOO are made from carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen. Even the brain that allows you to type this here is made of those components. Are you advocating for cannibalism?
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
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    I have ignored this every time you have posted this. It is just crap. You might as well cite an opinion piece in the National Inquirer as proof.

    Really?
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    http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-refs1b.shtm

    http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-refs1a.shtml

    Winning!

    Winning what? Proof that you can cite bibliographies out of an on line course syllibus? Okay, you give me the proper citation, with page number for everything that is precisely relevant to what you want to prove.. Oh, yes, and again for the one hundreth time WHAT IS YOUR POINT. WHAT ARE YOU CLAIMING. You still haven't gotten to square one.

    RTFA.

    The citations are all linked from the article you described as "an opinion piece".
  • hollyeverhart
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    You don't "have" to eat meat. Some people "choose" too. I just happen to choose NOT to EVER eat it c: Yay vegetarians & vegans lol
  • VegesaurusRex
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    Yeah, well, I guess that is the difference between living in a civilized place and living in a jungle.
    Indeed. The majority of Western civilization still eats meat. The fact that you don't doesn't make you any more civilized.

    The fact that I am literate makes me civilized. And by the way, the vast majority of the human race does NOT eat meat. In most countries in the world, particularly the third world, meat is too expensive to be part of the diet.

    The fact that I don't eat meat makes more more ethical.
  • JessiC1984
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    Wow, can someone just kill this thread now? it's obviously causing fights, and I thought we didn't allow that here?
    What I chose to eat is totally irrelevant to you, just like what you chose to eat is totally irrelevant to me.
  • servilia
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    Haven't had any meat in over a month now, and I'm content.

    I've never met a person who was malnourished simply because they don't eat meat.

    And I suppose you did a full check up with blood work on each of these people and so you know for a fact they're not malnourished? lol
  • Indy_Mario
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    The fact that I am literate makes me civilized. And by the way, the vast majority of the human race does NOT eat meat. In most countries in the world, particularly the third world, meat is too expensive to be part of the diet.

    The fact that I don't eat meat makes more more ethical.

    Ok, now this is total bull-*kitten*. My family comes from one of those "3rd world countries" and we eat more meat than people eat here!
    Oh yeah, we die due to crime...not due to meat eating, in my 3rd world country
  • VegesaurusRex
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    Yeah, well, I guess that is the difference between living in a civilized place and living in a jungle.
    Indeed. The majority of Western civilization still eats meat. The fact that you don't doesn't make you any more civilized.

    The fact that I am literate makes me civilized. And by the way, the vast majority of the human race does NOT eat meat. In most countries in the world, particularly the third world, meat is too expensive to be part of the diet.

    The fact that I don't eat meat makes more more ethical.

    Whoops, sorry. I promised I'd play nice Take that back.
  • VegesaurusRex
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    The fact that I am literate makes me civilized. And by the way, the vast majority of the human race does NOT eat meat. In most countries in the world, particularly the third world, meat is too expensive to be part of the diet.

    The fact that I don't eat meat makes more more ethical.

    Ok, now this is total bull-*kitten*. My family comes from one of those "3rd world countries" and we eat more meat than people eat here!
    Oh yeah, we die due to crime...not due to meat eating, in my 3rd world country

    Okay, what is the name of your third world country. I want to remember never to visit there.
  • raindancer
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    I spent 16 happy healthy years growing up vegetarian (then I got a taste for the flesh). Point is, 16 years, happy and healthy, lucky omnivorous us, we can eat it but we don't Have to.

    I just woke up one day and lost my taste for all meat except shrimp...I never knew why but it lasted for 2 years then I went back to eating meat. I have never been able to explain it but I am glad I wasn't critizied for my choice to do so.
  • Elizabeth_C34
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  • VegesaurusRex
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    The citations are all linked from the article you described as "an opinion piece".

    It is an opinion piece. Any article that does not appear in a peer-reviewed journal is an opinon, not a serious article. Sorry.
  • summertime_girl
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    Eat meat, don't eat meat. Don't worry about what others eat. It's like I say to my kids when one of them whines about the other, "just worry about yourself!"
  • TurtleTape
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    The citations are all linked from the article you described as "an opinion piece".

    It is an opinion piece. Any article that does not appear in a peer-reviewed journal is an opinon, not a serious article. Sorry.

    If you want to be like that, every article is an opinion, as no person is without bias. An intelligent reader/researcher will look at the citations for any article they read and decide from there whether or not it is worth reading and trusting, they will not simply ignore it because it is not in a journal.
  • servilia
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    The obesity rate is higher than what you posted: 33. 7% of adults and 17.3% of children are considered obese in the United States. That's 50 percent of the population!

    If you're a nurse and dealing with numbers, I urge you to brush up on your math asap. 33% of adults + 17% of children does NOT equal 50% of the whole population. yikes
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