Dose of "reality" check..................

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,708 Member
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    So when dealing with someone who's trying to walk again or recovering from cancer, is it often effective to remind them that they could be rotting and/or being tortured in a Turkish prison instead? --note, I really have no idea what Turkish prisons are like; they could be lovely.

    It's really all relative. It's not a switch some people can just turn on or off. "Gosh someone presented me with rational reasons why I should be happy? Gee that really brightens my day!" I say that with sarcasm, though perhaps I shouldn't because it may actually work for someone...it certainly doesn't work for me. Emotions aren't always swayed by reason as much as we'd like them to be.

    The buck-up, pull-yourself\-up strategy is one way to go. It is also sometimes completely ineffective through no fault of the person having a hard time. Don't get me wrong, the whining probably isn't going to be all that productive either, but telling someone not to whine is kind of just as silly.
    Oh the whining won't stop. It never will. I made the thread to hopefully give people a better perspective of what they might be actually whining about. Sometimes they don't really realize that it is just whining and not a real problem that can't be solved.



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  • jwhit31
    jwhit31 Posts: 450 Member
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    Thanks for the reality check. Sometimes we lose perspective because we are completely caught up in our own goals. Made me giggle a little bit because I have a no whining sign hanging up in my garage/gym. :laugh:
  • crysmcd1
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    LOVE this posting. :)
  • BrendaLee
    BrendaLee Posts: 4,463 Member
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    Obesity kills the soul, spirit, mind and the body. After living like that for 20, 30, 40 years, you become so beaten down that you begin to wonder if there is even a light at the end of the tunnel. I feel empathy for anyone who has lived this life. No one would choose to live this way if their faculties were such that they could change it. Some of us get that second chance at life, and we somehow find a way to overcome all of the abuse, the pain, the mental anguish and the addiction. Most of us don't. If you've never been severely obese, then you have no clue what it means and what it does, especially after a lifetime. Yes, some people have it worse. There are always people who have it worse. That doesn't make my struggle any easier. I battle this every day, and I hope I have the strength to come out on top.

    People get upset over a week without a loss or, even worse, with a gain, because they want the weight off so badly, and they're struggling every single SECOND to maintain control. A week can feel like an eternity of obsessing and counting and trying.

    Some people could give more, but some people are giving everything they have the ability to give.
  • Jipples
    Jipples Posts: 663 Member
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    Obesity kills the soul, spirit, mind and the body. After living like that for 20, 30, 40 years, you become so beaten down that you begin to wonder if there is even a light at the end of the tunnel. I feel empathy for anyone who has lived this life. No one would choose to live this way if their faculties were such that they could change it. Some of us get that second chance at life, and we somehow find a way to overcome all of the abuse, the pain, the mental anguish and the addiction. Most of us don't. If you've never been severely obese, then you have no clue what it means and what it does, especially after a lifetime. Yes, some people have it worse. There are always people who have it worse. That doesn't make my struggle any easier. I battle this every day, and I hope I have the strength to come out on top.

    People get upset over a week without a loss or, even worse, with a gain, because they want the weight off so badly, and they're struggling every single SECOND to maintain control. A week can feel like an eternity of obsessing and counting and trying.

    Some people could give more, but some people are giving everything they have the ability to give.

    Let me say this, if a person is that debilitated because of being obese, then they need way more help than mfp.

    This site, this forum, these people, are nothing more than tools to HELP us reach our goals. It's not my intention to minimize the strong effect this site can have, but again, WE have to take our own responsibility for reaching our goals.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,788 Member
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    I'll just internalize all my whining and complaining then, I guess. Until I can't stand it and crawl up on a freeway overpass with a rifle. I have that option.
  • BrendaLee
    BrendaLee Posts: 4,463 Member
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    I'll just internalize all my whining and complaining then, I guess. Until I can't stand it and crawl up on a freeway overpass with a rifle. I have that option.

    See, there are always options!
  • anyonebutmehaha
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    whine about anything but not feeling like going for walk/run or to gym or popping in that 30DS dvd....cause when anyone does that i just want to trade bodies w/ them for 2 minutes and ask "so ya feeling like it now?" ha.
    but if i can hobble off to gym right now, cast and all, no matter how high the pain levels are today- you sure as hell can. lol, so there.
    just go, do it and be happy you can.:smile:
  • clydethecat
    clydethecat Posts: 1,094 Member
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    i really appreciate this post, thank you. i think its easy to take this the wrong way. we all whine a little, we all have disappointment, and want someone to make us feel better. i'm not sure that's the right way to be. we have to find a better solution to the whining.

    when you see the glass as half empty, how much fun are you to be around. are you draining your friends reserves because you cant get optimistic? its hard to see the glass has half full, trust me, i know, but its well worth it.

    i spent a lot of time in cognitive therapy. it helped me be mindful of what i'm doing and why. it took me some time to apply it to weight loss, but since i have, I've been able to see the glass as half full.

    my point is that, whining is a symptom of a greater issue. we all need to find the thing that makes us see the glass as half full.

    oh, and count your blessings..
  • MangoAmanda
    MangoAmanda Posts: 22 Member
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    There are quite a few folks on mfp that need to read this.....jus sayin
    For sure!
    Too many here would rather wallow in self-pity than buck up and take action.
    It gets quite pathetic.

    ^^ this. Some people just thrive on being a victim, and that 's what's annoying. I'll always be a shoulder to lean on for someone who really needs it, but some people make a big tragedy of their lives over nothing. Bring on the perspective!
  • funkycamper
    funkycamper Posts: 998 Member
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    Could not have said it better myself.... 3 years ago I went with a doctor script to the Wellness center for aquatic therapy... At 560 lbs. and unable to support my own weight for Any period of time this was my starting point. I watched alot of people come and go through those doors the last few years and now after losing most of my weight and entering the final stage of my weightloss with the help of braces (getting knee replacements within the year) no matter how much pain I am in that day, I suck it up and just do it cause I know I see people even worse than me up there and it makes me appreciate what I do have and can do...... Great Rant!!

    You, sir, are an inspiration.
  • funkycamper
    funkycamper Posts: 998 Member
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    I wholeheartedly agree. I used to whine about how hard it was to get up and move when I was 450 lbs. I have arthritis that developed from that extreme weight, I also have a myriad of pain related issues because of carrying the equivalent of two extra people on my frame. Then I look at my dad...he was in a chemical accident which left his lungs permanently scarred. He had to use a respirator to breathe because the simplest scent of a rose would put him into respiratory arrest. He perservered and overcame becoming stronger every day. Then he was diagnosed with Parkinsons and yet again, he will not let anything get him down. He has recovered 100% range of motion on both arms despite rotator cuff surgery on BOTH arms...WITHOUT PAIN PILLS!! He has recovered from a fractured foot which left him needing to have a special mechanical cast because the bone wouldn't heal. Despite his medical challenges, he is the most active guy I know. He goes hunting, fishing, and enjoys his crafts. He build my mom a greenhouse, built a carport for his van, gardens, built literally every peice of furniture in my parents house except for the couch with an expert craftmanship that would sell for thousands in the store. Every time I want to whine about how hard it is...I ask myself "What would Dad do?" He's never sat down and felt sorry for himself, and he's been beat senseless by curveballs...why should I feel sorry for myself too?

    Is it hard to lose weight, be healthy, and be active? Damn dippity it is!! Is it worth it to take those steps towards a better life? Abso-frickin-lutely!! I remember that I did this to MYSELF...no one spoon fed me lard until I blimped up...I ate, and ate, and ate. When I felt sorry for myself, I ate. When I was happy, I ate. Food was my comfort and companion until I learned to have a different relationship with food. Instead of living to eat, I now eat to live. Portion sizes, good choices, losing weight has no special science or formula...it's simple...eat less calories and get active. No magic pill, not special potion. It requires hard work, but all things that are worth acheiving require work!

    Thanks ninerbuff for the reality check!

    You and your dad are both inspirations, too! Wow.

    I love this thread. Yes, I totally understand how an obese person feels and how daunting losing 100# is. I started at 237#. Definitely obese.

    While I did lose about 40# gradually over several years just by tweaking my diet a bit, I really got into the idea of achieving fitness and losing more weight after my own debilitating experience. I had a pretty bad back injury where I could barely walk for a year and was in chronic pain. After it healed, I had to relearn to walk normally as my muscles and tendons had gotten used to just baby-steps. I also had to learn to stand up straight again because I had developed a bent-over posture. The tendons and muscles had to be re-trained. I then had a couple of years where just walking for exercise was all my back could handle so I walked but didn't feel strong or fit.

    Being in that situation was horrible as I really thought I could never dance again, play on the beach with my dog throwing sticks and such, playing with future grandkids I assume I'll have someday, yada yada. That experience definitely made me appreciate my health and feel for those with chronic conditions that won't ever fully heal.

    So now that my back is strong enough again to handle it, I'm lifting weights, running, cycling, swimming, taking various classes like yoga, pilates, cardio-kickboxing, spin classes, etc. Just being active and having fun with it. Am training to do a 2-day 200-mile bike event this summer. Also taking ballroom dance classes with my husband. I'm having a ball getting fitter every day.

    Again, there was a time I couldn't walk and I never want to be in that situation again. Or, if something happens and I injure myself again and have the same kind of trial to get through, I want to go out with a bang, not a whimper.

    Focusing on fitness goals instead of the scale takes any whimpering away, imho. I can control my food intake and my exercise but I can't control the scale. Inches are coming off faster than the scale weight and, hey, who cares? I couldn't care less if I weighed 250# as long as I could fit into a pair of size 8 jeans, LOL.

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on. I'm just very grateful to have my health back and to be able to do these types of things again. I'm 54 and I feel younger now than I did at 44. Slimmer and stronger, too.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,708 Member
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    You and your dad are both inspirations, too! Wow.

    I love this thread. Yes, I totally understand how an obese person feels and how daunting losing 100# is. I started at 237#. Definitely obese.

    While I did lose about 40# gradually over several years just by tweaking my diet a bit, I really got into the idea of achieving fitness and losing more weight after my own debilitating experience. I had a pretty bad back injury where I could barely walk for a year and was in chronic pain. After it healed, I had to relearn to walk normally as my muscles and tendons had gotten used to just baby-steps. I also had to learn to stand up straight again because I had developed a bent-over posture. The tendons and muscles had to be re-trained. I then had a couple of years where just walking for exercise was all my back could handle so I walked but didn't feel strong or fit.

    Being in that situation was horrible as I really thought I could never dance again, play on the beach with my dog throwing sticks and such, playing with future grandkids I assume I'll have someday, yada yada. That experience definitely made me appreciate my health and feel for those with chronic conditions that won't ever fully heal.

    So now that my back is strong enough again to handle it, I'm lifting weights, running, cycling, swimming, taking various classes like yoga, pilates, cardio-kickboxing, spin classes, etc. Just being active and having fun with it. Am training to do a 2-day 200-mile bike event this summer. Also taking ballroom dance classes with my husband. I'm having a ball getting fitter every day.

    Again, there was a time I couldn't walk and I never want to be in that situation again. Or, if something happens and I injure myself again and have the same kind of trial to get through, I want to go out with a bang, not a whimper.

    Focusing on fitness goals instead of the scale takes any whimpering away, imho. I can control my food intake and my exercise but I can't control the scale. Inches are coming off faster than the scale weight and, hey, who cares? I couldn't care less if I weighed 250# as long as I could fit into a pair of size 8 jeans, LOL.

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on. I'm just very grateful to have my health back and to be able to do these types of things again. I'm 54 and I feel younger now than I did at 44. Slimmer and stronger, too.
    You're part of the triple D club! Determination, Dedication and Discipline!!!!



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  • ishallnotwant
    ishallnotwant Posts: 1,210 Member
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    You and your dad are both inspirations, too! Wow.

    I love this thread. Yes, I totally understand how an obese person feels and how daunting losing 100# is. I started at 237#. Definitely obese.

    While I did lose about 40# gradually over several years just by tweaking my diet a bit, I really got into the idea of achieving fitness and losing more weight after my own debilitating experience. I had a pretty bad back injury where I could barely walk for a year and was in chronic pain. After it healed, I had to relearn to walk normally as my muscles and tendons had gotten used to just baby-steps. I also had to learn to stand up straight again because I had developed a bent-over posture. The tendons and muscles had to be re-trained. I then had a couple of years where just walking for exercise was all my back could handle so I walked but didn't feel strong or fit.

    Being in that situation was horrible as I really thought I could never dance again, play on the beach with my dog throwing sticks and such, playing with future grandkids I assume I'll have someday, yada yada. That experience definitely made me appreciate my health and feel for those with chronic conditions that won't ever fully heal.

    So now that my back is strong enough again to handle it, I'm lifting weights, running, cycling, swimming, taking various classes like yoga, pilates, cardio-kickboxing, spin classes, etc. Just being active and having fun with it. Am training to do a 2-day 200-mile bike event this summer. Also taking ballroom dance classes with my husband. I'm having a ball getting fitter every day.

    Again, there was a time I couldn't walk and I never want to be in that situation again. Or, if something happens and I injure myself again and have the same kind of trial to get through, I want to go out with a bang, not a whimper.

    Focusing on fitness goals instead of the scale takes any whimpering away, imho. I can control my food intake and my exercise but I can't control the scale. Inches are coming off faster than the scale weight and, hey, who cares? I couldn't care less if I weighed 250# as long as I could fit into a pair of size 8 jeans, LOL.

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on. I'm just very grateful to have my health back and to be able to do these types of things again. I'm 54 and I feel younger now than I did at 44. Slimmer and stronger, too.

    You are seriously awesome!! Weightlifting, running, cycling?? I want to be you when my kids grow up.
  • Suziq2you
    Suziq2you Posts: 396 Member
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    A-freaking-men.
  • maru84
    maru84 Posts: 128
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    I agree to a certain extent. That's great motivation to be grateful for being able to run, not being disabled, etc. I also work with people who are in a similar circumstance. However, I feel like the MFP forums should be a safe place to ask even the most obvious questions and talk about even the most trivial things about weight loss, since it's new to many of us.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,708 Member
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    I agree to a certain extent. That's great motivation to be grateful for being able to run, not being disabled, etc. I also work with people who are in a similar circumstance. However, I feel like the MFP forums should be a safe place to ask even the most obvious questions and talk about even the most trivial things about weight loss, since it's new to many of us.
    Asking questions because of increasing knowledge is fine. Saying "I worked so hard and ate so well, and nothing!!!! I want to eat a pint of ice cream now!" is something different.
    I usually will take the time to answer anyone's questions (you should see my inbox), but to hear whining like makes me roll my eyes.



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  • katcj
    katcj Posts: 32 Member
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    Wow, you see, I thought this was a 'support' network where people come for 'support' when they're struggling. And being a weightloss tool, I figured it was where people could come and 'whine' when they were struggling with their weight loss to get said support.... gee, guess I was wrong.......

    I appreciate what you're trying to say..... there are always going to be people with way more problems than you or I, but today I was feeling a bit disappointed that I'd only lost three quarters of a pound. I've worked hard on my exercise and have stuck to my diet, I'm just glad I didn't mention it on the forums now because whilst I know my problems are menial in comparison to some, it's something that's important to me and sometimes you just want to have a bit of moral support from others that are in a similar situation.
  • greekygirl
    greekygirl Posts: 448 Member
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    I totally agree with you. After watching my mother slowly waste away from Lou Gehrig's disease, I have a new perspective on things. When I don't feel like working out, I think of her in the end stages of her life and how she could not walk, talk, eat, do ANYTHING by herself. It is truly heartbreaking when I think of what she went through. I try not to take these things for granted anymore and worrying about my 4lb weight gain since Xmas seems so stupid....

    Don't get me wrong, I do have my days where everything seems to suck and I whine too...especially about my weight, but when I think of how good I have it, my worries are really trivial. I can do something about my weight. Many people can't fix what is broken with them.

    I get it, we all need support, but I really need to remember that many people are MUCH worse off than I am. I am grateful I can work out, walk, talk, get out of bed BY MYSELF, and the list goes on and on. Thank you for that reminder.
  • funkycamper
    funkycamper Posts: 998 Member
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    You and your dad are both inspirations, too! Wow.

    I love this thread. Yes, I totally understand how an obese person feels and how daunting losing 100# is. I started at 237#. Definitely obese.

    While I did lose about 40# gradually over several years just by tweaking my diet a bit, I really got into the idea of achieving fitness and losing more weight after my own debilitating experience. I had a pretty bad back injury where I could barely walk for a year and was in chronic pain. After it healed, I had to relearn to walk normally as my muscles and tendons had gotten used to just baby-steps. I also had to learn to stand up straight again because I had developed a bent-over posture. The tendons and muscles had to be re-trained. I then had a couple of years where just walking for exercise was all my back could handle so I walked but didn't feel strong or fit.

    Being in that situation was horrible as I really thought I could never dance again, play on the beach with my dog throwing sticks and such, playing with future grandkids I assume I'll have someday, yada yada. That experience definitely made me appreciate my health and feel for those with chronic conditions that won't ever fully heal.

    So now that my back is strong enough again to handle it, I'm lifting weights, running, cycling, swimming, taking various classes like yoga, pilates, cardio-kickboxing, spin classes, etc. Just being active and having fun with it. Am training to do a 2-day 200-mile bike event this summer. Also taking ballroom dance classes with my husband. I'm having a ball getting fitter every day.

    Again, there was a time I couldn't walk and I never want to be in that situation again. Or, if something happens and I injure myself again and have the same kind of trial to get through, I want to go out with a bang, not a whimper.

    Focusing on fitness goals instead of the scale takes any whimpering away, imho. I can control my food intake and my exercise but I can't control the scale. Inches are coming off faster than the scale weight and, hey, who cares? I couldn't care less if I weighed 250# as long as I could fit into a pair of size 8 jeans, LOL.

    Anyway, sorry to ramble on. I'm just very grateful to have my health back and to be able to do these types of things again. I'm 54 and I feel younger now than I did at 44. Slimmer and stronger, too.
    You're part of the triple D club! Determination, Dedication and Discipline!!!!



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    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Thanks! :blushing: And once in awhile I do eat a pint of ice cream, too! :tongue: