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  • felice03
    felice03 Posts: 2,732 Member
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    great post!
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
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    In my weight loss journey, I have found that it is like religon and politics. People learn something or get taught something, or have success doing something. What they know and think is the only way or the right way. Some people believe the only way to get healthy is eating "healthy foods". Who is to say what is healthy. I have gone on diets where I have eaten healthy for months and have lost a lot of weight, yet I could not maintain it because I wanted the foods that I used to eat. I would gain all the weight back plus some each time. I know many people on here do not buy in to calories in calories out and that not all calories are created equal. I eat the same foods I always ate, I have fast food every day like I always did, I eat pizza, hot wings, chinese food, whatever I want to eat. I also walk 8-10 miles a day. I will begin lifting weights in a couple months. In 7 weeks i have lost 38 pounds. I never lost that much weight eating 100% clean and mixing that with weight and cardio training.

    I had a friend that got a juicer and was miserble with what he was eating. He wasn't loosing as much weight because he wasn't satisfied and would cheat. Now he has bought in to calories in and calories out and he is seeing results and he enjoys life. In the end, TO EACH HIS OWN!

    The reason people reject calories in, calories out is because it is an over-simplification. It doesn't take into account how macro-nutrients affect hormones in each person's body differently.

    I have established that no matter what type of foods I eat, a calorie is a calorie as far as my weight loss goes. However if I eat 2000 calories of junk food, I am starving all the time. If I eat 2000 calories of clean food, I am satisfied. So by that logic, which is the better diet? The one in which I feel healthier, more energized, and less hungry, even though both diets lead to the exact same weight loss. So that's why I never subscribe to the over-simplification of calories in, calories out. I think in terms of sustained weight loss efforts.
  • BeautifulScarsWECHANGED
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    Thank you for posting this....finally a thread worth reading. LOL!
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
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    Great post :drinker:
  • morgthom75
    morgthom75 Posts: 127 Member
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    Thanks for this. Always get so frustrated when I see crap like that posted. Getting to the point where it's annoying to go on the forums anymore.
  • Faintgreeneyes
    Faintgreeneyes Posts: 730 Member
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    Sidesteal for the win!

    Thank you for posting something that is not absolute crap. It makes my brain happy to read an intelligent, thought out post, something that is lacking these days on the forums.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    In my weight loss journey, I have found that it is like religon and politics. People learn something or get taught something, or have success doing something. What they know and think is the only way or the right way. Some people believe the only way to get healthy is eating "healthy foods". Who is to say what is healthy. I have gone on diets where I have eaten healthy for months and have lost a lot of weight, yet I could not maintain it because I wanted the foods that I used to eat. I would gain all the weight back plus some each time. I know many people on here do not buy in to calories in calories out and that not all calories are created equal. I eat the same foods I always ate, I have fast food every day like I always did, I eat pizza, hot wings, chinese food, whatever I want to eat. I also walk 8-10 miles a day. I will begin lifting weights in a couple months. In 7 weeks i have lost 38 pounds. I never lost that much weight eating 100% clean and mixing that with weight and cardio training.

    I had a friend that got a juicer and was miserble with what he was eating. He wasn't loosing as much weight because he wasn't satisfied and would cheat. Now he has bought in to calories in and calories out and he is seeing results and he enjoys life. In the end, TO EACH HIS OWN!

    The reason people reject calories in, calories out is because it is an over-simplification. It doesn't take into account how macro-nutrients affect hormones in each person's body differently.

    I have established that no matter what type of foods I eat, a calorie is a calorie as far as my weight loss goes. However if I eat 2000 calories of junk food, I am starving all the time. If I eat 2000 calories of clean food, I am satisfied. So by that logic, which is the better diet? The one in which I feel healthier, more energized, and less hungry, even though both diets lead to the exact same weight loss. So that's why I never subscribe to the over-simplification of calories in, calories out. I think in terms of sustained weight loss efforts.

    First what is a clean food? Secondly, you're using anecdotal evidence again, for example a study on the satiety of common foods found jelly beans to be quite filling. Find a diet you can adhere to, if it's Paleo or low carb or a diet of moderation, that is the best diet for you, however don't think any diet achieves weight loss through any magical thing another then a calorie deficit.
  • Veganbambina
    Veganbambina Posts: 108 Member
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    Thank you for posting this. People need to use their noggin and not just run with what ever they read on here. Most of it is personal opinion and no one likes to be told that they are wrong.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,568 Member
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    I'd like to talk about something.

    Often times on the forums, we'll see someone post what looks like a helpful post full of dieting information. If the information is faulty, some people will reply with the intent to correct it in the hopes that too many people don't buy into the bad information.

    Then a bunch of people will get upset with the guy or gal who is trying to correct the person, saying "Stop hating" or "Stop being so negative!". (Sometimes people do post rude replies but it seems like any disagreement is arbitrarily viewed as negative as of late).

    Misinformation is bad.

    I will give you a few examples to attempt to explain why:

    Let's look at meal frequency, which would fall into the personal preference category. Does meal frequency matter?

    It might matter for behavioral reasons and it might matter for performance reasons and if it leads to better gym performance it could minimally effect expenditure. But it DOES NOT effect metabolism and if someone says this gem:

    "It's very important to eat every 3 hours so that your metabolism keeps burning. If you skip a meal your metabolism will slow down and your body will actually STORE FAT. So please make sure to eat every 3 hours". (<--- this claim is entirely false)

    ...this is problematic because people who DON'T currently eat frequently might think "Crap, I'm doing it wrong. I'm going to have to fix this". Now they're going to reschedule what could be an eating pattern that works very well for them based on the bad information that increasing their frequency will increase metabolic rate. Additionally, they'll have to eat smaller meals (because they would obviously keep kcals/macros constant) which would probably have a negative effect on adherence/satiety.

    Is eating frequently arbitrarily bad? No. It's personal preference. But convincing someone that it's metabolically relevant is BAD, because this convinces them that they must follow this advice.

    Lets look at a different example from a recent thread:

    "You shouldn't combine carbs and fats in the same meal because it will cause your body to store fat!"

    This was recently posted in a topic and not only is it completely bogus and not supported by anything, but the end result was (literally) that someone replied with:

    "Thanks so much for this, I'm going to stop eating PB+J sandwiches".

    So someone comes on here and posts something completely false and out of fear, another person eliminates something they enjoy from their diet. Now, for all we know someone else is reading that post and not replying, because they're in the kitchen stressed out over how they're going to re-arrange every meal in their day so that the carb sources aren't ever eaten with fat.


    This is not a good thing.

    There's a very small list of things that are necessary to lose weight.
    There's a very large list of things that are personal preference for losing weight. (In this list I include medical reasons, moral reasons, individual intolerances).


    Both of these are important, but focus on the necessities first and customize the personal preference aspects to give you the best adherence or most enjoyment possible out of your journey.


    And don't confuse the two for yourself or others.

    /end rant.
    I'm sure the others who are "in the know" appreciate this post like I do. Keep up the good work bro.


    A.C.E. Certified Personal Trainer
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    Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • Miss_Chievous_wechange
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    THANK YOU!
  • mamalade1
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    Yep, critical thinking, people: it's useful stuff. When people (not necessarily people on here, but people who are selling their diet plans) make a claim, they should have a list of works cited which shows you which scientific studies, if any, they used. It is easy enough to find the original study and check it out for yourself. If you don't want to wade through the report, chances are someone else already has and has blogged about it in detail.
  • prism6
    prism6 Posts: 484 Member
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    there are 1000 experts waiting to tell you about everything and anything....ever notice at the first of the year,the magazines tout the newest sure fire diet? and have been for 50yrs? There is no magic, My weightloss has been an obvious one for me...quit drinking alcohol,exercise and healthy food..that's it...lot's of water too. I enjoyed putting on the weight and now I am enjoying taking it off..And I will be enjoying it for about another 50lbs......
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
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    In my weight loss journey, I have found that it is like religon and politics. People learn something or get taught something, or have success doing something. What they know and think is the only way or the right way. Some people believe the only way to get healthy is eating "healthy foods". Who is to say what is healthy. I have gone on diets where I have eaten healthy for months and have lost a lot of weight, yet I could not maintain it because I wanted the foods that I used to eat. I would gain all the weight back plus some each time. I know many people on here do not buy in to calories in calories out and that not all calories are created equal. I eat the same foods I always ate, I have fast food every day like I always did, I eat pizza, hot wings, chinese food, whatever I want to eat. I also walk 8-10 miles a day. I will begin lifting weights in a couple months. In 7 weeks i have lost 38 pounds. I never lost that much weight eating 100% clean and mixing that with weight and cardio training.

    I had a friend that got a juicer and was miserble with what he was eating. He wasn't loosing as much weight because he wasn't satisfied and would cheat. Now he has bought in to calories in and calories out and he is seeing results and he enjoys life. In the end, TO EACH HIS OWN!

    The reason people reject calories in, calories out is because it is an over-simplification. It doesn't take into account how macro-nutrients affect hormones in each person's body differently.

    I have established that no matter what type of foods I eat, a calorie is a calorie as far as my weight loss goes. However if I eat 2000 calories of junk food, I am starving all the time. If I eat 2000 calories of clean food, I am satisfied. So by that logic, which is the better diet? The one in which I feel healthier, more energized, and less hungry, even though both diets lead to the exact same weight loss. So that's why I never subscribe to the over-simplification of calories in, calories out. I think in terms of sustained weight loss efforts.

    First what is a clean food? Secondly, you're using anecdotal evidence again, for example a study on the satiety of common foods found jelly beans to be quite filling. Find a diet you can adhere to, if it's Paleo or low carb or a diet of moderation, that is the best diet for you, however don't think any diet achieves weight loss through any magical thing another then a calorie deficit.

    I wasn't stating anything as fact, so I don't see how your point really applies to me. Just saying that not all calories are created equal when it comes to sustainable weight loss.
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    In my weight loss journey, I have found that it is like religon and politics. People learn something or get taught something, or have success doing something. What they know and think is the only way or the right way. Some people believe the only way to get healthy is eating "healthy foods". Who is to say what is healthy. I have gone on diets where I have eaten healthy for months and have lost a lot of weight, yet I could not maintain it because I wanted the foods that I used to eat. I would gain all the weight back plus some each time. I know many people on here do not buy in to calories in calories out and that not all calories are created equal. I eat the same foods I always ate, I have fast food every day like I always did, I eat pizza, hot wings, chinese food, whatever I want to eat. I also walk 8-10 miles a day. I will begin lifting weights in a couple months. In 7 weeks i have lost 38 pounds. I never lost that much weight eating 100% clean and mixing that with weight and cardio training.

    I had a friend that got a juicer and was miserble with what he was eating. He wasn't loosing as much weight because he wasn't satisfied and would cheat. Now he has bought in to calories in and calories out and he is seeing results and he enjoys life. In the end, TO EACH HIS OWN!

    The reason people reject calories in, calories out is because it is an over-simplification. It doesn't take into account how macro-nutrients affect hormones in each person's body differently.

    I have established that no matter what type of foods I eat, a calorie is a calorie as far as my weight loss goes. However if I eat 2000 calories of junk food, I am starving all the time. If I eat 2000 calories of clean food, I am satisfied. So by that logic, which is the better diet? The one in which I feel healthier, more energized, and less hungry, even though both diets lead to the exact same weight loss. So that's why I never subscribe to the over-simplification of calories in, calories out. I think in terms of sustained weight loss efforts.

    First what is a clean food? Secondly, you're using anecdotal evidence again, for example a study on the satiety of common foods found jelly beans to be quite filling. Find a diet you can adhere to, if it's Paleo or low carb or a diet of moderation, that is the best diet for you, however don't think any diet achieves weight loss through any magical thing another then a calorie deficit.

    I wasn't stating anything as fact, so I don't see how your point really applies to me. Just saying that not all calories are created equal when it comes to sustainable weight loss.

    STOP THE NEGATIVITY, HATERS!




















    Just kidding, keep discussing. =)
  • NikkiPsuedoDupuis
    NikkiPsuedoDupuis Posts: 56 Member
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    thank you. I miss my pbj but so worried about eating bread all the time lol

    I eat bread everyday, I could never give it up. True I switched to whole wheat Weight Watchers bread instead of the fresh from the oven melt in your mouth white bread I love so much, but it still fills the craving. I've lost 18lbs since I started here in January, obviously cutting out bread completely isn't the ONLY solution to weight loss lol.
  • MissFit0101
    MissFit0101 Posts: 2,382
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    bump
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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    This post also begs the other question, for every poster that thanks the OP and says great post, even if it's filled with pseudoscience and other falsehoods, do they actually believe what the OP wrote to be true and if so how did they arrive at that conclusion?
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    This post also begs the other question, for every poster that thanks the OP and says great post, even if it's filled with pseudoscience and other falsehoods, do they actually believe what the OP wrote to be true and if so how did they arrive at that conclusion?

    This indirectly goes hand in hand with what I said about the Pb+J, and why it's so important for people to discuss the validity of information offered. The vast majority do not research so they are most likely to take information as true. Especially if the OP has abs.

    Good post Acg.
  • meli_medina
    meli_medina Posts: 594 Member
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    A thread worth reading AND replying to. You, sir, are the bee's knees. :)
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
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    A thread worth reading AND replying to. You, sir, are the bee's knees. :)

    One day I hope to meet you and Crystal and the three of us will go to a buffet.