This is horrifying...

Honestly, I almost cried when I saw the picture of the brainless chickens. I think I prefer to occasionally eat an expensive, well treated chicken then to eat something like that. Just seems more natural and my gut reaction. I have been vegetarian off and on again, but now only eat poultry occasionally. The last cold I had while a vegetarian was a month long... I haven't been that sick since I lived in my parents house, who were 3 pack a day smokers.
Anyway, here's another interesting link. I wonder how many people will think more deeply about where their meat comes from when this stuff hits the market: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat

If you didn't realize those are fake chicken in the pictures, I think you have some serious things to worry about other than the source of the human population's meat.

This is disgusting, that is what it is.

I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.

Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.

GROSS

I'm not sure about cloning anything for any reason, but certainly cloned beef wouldn't be gross. All they do is use the DNA of a nice fat steer and use it to make several "copies" of that nice fat steer. Sorta like twins.. or as many copies as you want. Then they do AI on a cow who surrogates the fetus. That makes it sound pretty simple, but it's close.

I cant decide how i feel about this. Horrible things are done to these chickens in the first place every day and they can feel every bit of it. The scientist is trying to do good for the chickens by making them incapable of feeling or knowing what is going on around them, but what if this doesn't really work? What if they believe that the chickens cant think or feel but they really are? Imagine being in a coma but hearing and feeling everything around you. It would be horrible if done wrong and no one knows who or what feels what they feel except that one being who is feeling it. We will never get to the point where the entire human population is vegetarian, there will always be inhumane things happening to millions and millions of animals around the world. Could this be a good thing for the chickens? Or a horrible gruesome act carried out by us because we "can" and we are "smarter"?? The world will keep turning and millions will keep eating meat either way. I think this has made me officially done with it though. I personally don't want to be a part of any of it and will probably save a few of these chickens because of it. Or at least ill think that way. Or maybe the amount of chickens I wont be eating will be given to someone hungry

How is it horrifying if these 'animals' have no sensory part to their brain? If they feel no pain, why would this be considered inhumane?

Sure, and if this works... let's put some humans on the line too. We could use them for surrogates for our babies and we could all have beautiful bodies! And then we could put some cows on there so they wouldn't have to graze the pastures. And then..... there's a moral boundary here somewhere.

Moral according to who? Also, a human brain is much more complex than a cow's or a chicken's. Not to mention there's already a large percentage of the population that's starving. Making a surrogate to have even more offspring seems counterproductive to what the goal of the original "headless chicken" experiment is.

Everything is greed and appearances. I'm not saying MORE humans. I'm saying women wouldn't have to take time off to have a baby or, in some cases, wreck the appearance of their body. And if someone actually came up with that technology, they would get rich. And.. what difference is it how complicated a brain is.. if it is removed? Just throwing in my 2 cents. Most people who are not psychopaths have a moral boundary.. somewhere.

DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO WRECK THE APPEARANCE OF THEIR BODY?! Seriously, thats ridiculous. I would vouch to have my own children and look like snaggle toothed wretch afterwards. A new route for cosmetology... don't screw up your body, just have this lab rat partial person have your baby for you! WOOT!

Yes, I said "in some cases". My best friend in high school had a baby and it totally stretched her beautiful body so she had worse excess skin than I have ever seen even in some bariatric surgery weight loss cases. It totally changed her personality and personal comfort. Back in those days they did not remove excess skin. The poor girl could hardly wear clothes after that without extreme discomfort. It changed her life. So yes I would say in her case it did. If you were to ask her she would say you bet yer *kitten* it did. I DID NOT say it wrecks everyone's body so calm down.

And... I was speaking facetiously about the whole brainless cultivation of bodies. sheese!

This makes me frown.

As weird as it is I can't imagine anyone arguing that it's worse than slaughtering the same number of animals.

We dont NEED families of 7-15 kids, why is it still allowed? i say there should be a limit on offspring, and also stop trying to solve aids in africa and start trying to educate the people to not have multiple babies one after another.

sorry if this is very right wing, but thats just who i am.

People like you frighten me.

And that's not right wing. That's Chinese law and China is leftist.

actually im british, in britain, thats considered a right wing view.

i shouldnt frighten you, i dont intend on breeding, who wants to raise any child in the world we will leave behind when we die?

So the Brits think Communism is right wing, then?

I guess if it's all about control and taking away any kind of free will or liberty, it must be right wing. The Soviet Union, Cuba, China -- all right wing. Who knew???

You frighten me not because YOU don't want children but because you think it's perfectly OK to legislate other people's childbearing.

This is disgusting, that is what it is.

I am all for meat consumption, but it has to be from local farm raised sources. There is NO way in hell that I will ever eat chicken that has been massed produced like some boxed macaroni and cheese. And there is NO way that I will ever eat that cloned meat they are working on right now.

Cloned ground beef is supposed to be released in October or some time this year.

GROSS

Do you drink milk? Milk from cloned milk cows was approved by the FDA on January 8, 2008. Many of the large dairy farms have numerous "genetic twins, triplets, quads, quints, etc." (and many more) producing for them.

Completely off topic from the OP's post, but I think it's really weird that people drink milk (I don't drink it, don't like it). We are the only species on EARTH that drink's another animal's milk. Milk is meant for nursing young...why are we drinking it from a cow? We're not baby cows...

But dammit I do love cheese. I try to shop only organic and eat cheese sparingly, but it's delicious.

There is a very long list of things humans do that no other species does. If we start living out lives based on that, well, you wouldn't be on this message board right now, would you?

Well obviously, but I'm not talking about abilities and problem solving skills humans have as opposed to animals, I just think it's really weird that people drink cow's milk...I mean, we don't drink other people's breast milk...

But it's because of our abilities and problem-solving skills that we do things other animals do not, such as flush our waste products into a sewer rather than squatting and burying in the dirt. It's also why we cook our food. No other species cooks its food. Should we eat all raw food? Also, other animals do not combine different foods into yummy recipes. Maybe we're not supposed to do that, either.

The argument that we shouldn't drink milk because other species don't is ridiculous when put into proper context.

Honestly, I always thought drinking cow's milk was weird too. Who was the person that said "Hey, we should drink that" anyway?

Cat's can be trained to use the toilet and flush so I don't think that is an accurate or even relevant metaphor.

Bee's also make honey by mixing together ingredients. And leaf cutter ants don't eat the leaves they cut, they use it to harvest mold and eat the mold. They also use ingredients for this. Also an inaccurate and irrelevant metaphor.

And on the Cooked food topic, while we are the only species that cooks it's food, we are also the only one that needs to because we store meat. Most veggies don't need to be cooked (some are poisonous if not) but when you cook them all of the live enzymes that are good for you die and you also lose most of the essential vitamins and minerals. So cooking food is ridiculous when put into certain context (I’m sure that’s what you meant besides "proper" context).

I'm not trying to pick on your post in particular but if you are going to call someone ridiculous for believing differently then you should at least use accurate information.

There are a lot of things people eat that anyone could say is "weird." Lobster and crab, to name just two. So maybe people shouldn't eat those, either?

If you don't want to drink milk, don't drink milk. I have never been a milk drinker, though I'll use it in recipes or pour it over cereal. The idea of drinking a glass of milk has always kind of turned my stomach. But so has the idea of eating mushrooms. I mean, that's a FUNGUS!!! Oh no! Everyone stop eating mushrooms because *I* don't like them!!!

That's basically my point. People feel this need to argue and put down things others do because they don't do those things themselves. So what? Is it illegal? Are those people committing some heinous crime by drinking milk? No? 'Cause you'd think that was the case based on the reaction people get about doing so.

Neat. I think that's fascinating. Yay Science!

I love meat, practically eat chicken everyday, but that's it, this country is going to Hell. why do this to an animal? I promise, I won't get mad if KFC runs out of chicken, just don't do this to an animal.

Again, I will reiterate, if the "vegetarian / vegan" lifestyle were so healthy, then why has there been no previous civilization through time that has lived the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle?

How do you know this? Have you lived in every historical civilization? That is quite an interesting claim.

We are the only animals that do a lot of things. Like treat cancer, put diapers on babies, cook food, brush our teeth, etc. so the argument that we are the only animals to drink another animals milk just doesn't seem like a good one to me.

i refuse to eat at Halal restaurants.

This intrigued me. Could you explain why? I don't know much about Halal practices, I'd be interested to know your reasons why you refuse to eat at such establishments.

i dont eat Halal because im Catholic. is that good enough for you?

im not sure i should feel any need to explain my reasons.

Again, I will reiterate, if the "vegetarian / vegan" lifestyle were so healthy, then why has there been no previous civilization through time that has lived the vegetarian or vegan lifestyle?

How do you know this? Have you lived in every historical civilization? That is quite an interesting claim.

No, but I have researched all historical civilization and there are NONE.

Besides, The term "vegan" wasn't even coined until 1944, so I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a long-lasting vegan civilization!

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There is no civilization in the history of the Earth that has thrived eating as vegan. Veganism is only possible in today's world of "special" ingredients and things made with all sorts of unusual substitutions.

Civilizations throughout history eat what they can get, and they certainly don't complain if they eat honey, or an egg (for heaven's sake).

But if the supermarkets closed and all the vegans went hungry, you can guarantee they'd be eating some animal products.

Interesting that the premise is on desensitizing the chicken, and not improving the conditions. Like most things done today, a band-aid to a situation, instead of tackling the root cause.
We brought home day-old chicks 10 months ago. It is amazing to see how quickly they can grow. Now I understand how farms can push out a pullet every 6-8 weeks. Each of our girls lays an egg a day and have become my children's pets. While we are not vegetarian, I don't see us butchering them anytime soon. Or ever, for that matter.
Being close to your food source can be a fascinating experience.