violence against men?
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I'm not saying you have to wait until someone is kicking your tail. I'm saying if a grown man gets slapped by a smaller, weaker female, and it enrages him so much that he feels the need to hit her back, he is no better than she is. If we're talking about being aware of consequences and being in control of our emotions, then let's apply it to both sides. I don't know a single grown man who would feel physically threatened by a woman slapping him across the face. If he hits her back, it's because he's pissed, NOT because he feels threatened by her.
In my opinion, the question before responding with violence should always be "Is it necessary in order for me to defend myself or another person?" rather than "Is it deserved?"0 -
One more thing. I always remember my Uncle Jim telling me when I was very young -- "A young man should never stike a lady, but a woman that hits a man is no lady."
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My father raised me to NEVER hit a woman (my mom too but my dad's lesson was more poignant cause he's been attacked by a woman with a knife and didn't harm her). I haven't to this day. Does that make me sexist? Honestly I don't really care, it's just how I am. I do know how to defend myself without striking though (Judo and BJJ come in handy) so if I or my family were in actual danger from a woman so I guess I'd likely use that over a punch or kick or whatever.
Also since I don't think it's been quoted yet:
"I'll never hit a girl, but I'll shake the **** outta you!"
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How about instead of saying "Women shouldn't hit men, men should hit women, etc. etc." We just say people shouldn't hit people. Because it's a pretty douchy thing to do.0
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Try real life - much worse. My boss got stabbed (yes stabbed) in an argument with his ex-wife and he got arrested.
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
Matt, this is very well stated and I agree with you completely.0 -
I'm not saying you have to wait until someone is kicking your tail. I'm saying if a grown man gets slapped by a smaller, weaker female, and it enrages him so much that he feels the need to hit her back, he is no better than she is. If we're talking about being aware of consequences and being in control of our emotions, then let's apply it to both sides. I don't know a single grown man who would feel physically threatened by a woman slapping him across the face. If he hits her back, it's because he's pissed, NOT because he feels threatened by her.
In my opinion, the question before responding with violence should always be "Is it necessary in order for me to defend myself or another person?" rather than "Is it deserved?"
So, a smaller weaker man shouldn't be hit by a bigger man? Using your rational.
Hope none of you in support of a man hitting a woman hit your kids... violence is violence. Its the sign of a weak mind.0 -
No one should hit anyone else. Women have no more rights to hit a man than a man does to her. It's abuse and it's wrong.
That said, if anyone lays a hand on me, I WILL defend myself. Male or female, doesn't matter. I have the self-defense training to take care of myself, and I will. But never should one person be the aggressor and lay a hand on another in anger. That includes children, in my opinion. Yeah yeah, can 'o worms. I know. But that is how I feel.0 -
I'll go one step further and say if a woman is going to hit/fight like a man, then she better be prepared to get hit back. I have 3 brothers and my dad adamantly taught them it is not ok to hit a girl, but was just as adamant that it's not ok for a girl to hit a guy either. I have 2 daughters and I have taught them this same lesson.Try real life - much worse. My boss got stabbed (yes stabbed) in argument with his ex-wife and he got arrested.
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
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I was involoved in a domestic violence act were I was stabbed and I was sleeping when my act of viloence occured. But as far as protecting men I totally agree I work for a police department and you see it alot that men get hit by women and the women puts on the water works and the male gets arrested. (MESSED UP IN MY EYES)
Men should have more protection. Specially against a corupt women.
Women can be devious its sad how some of them can act out and play the victum when its really the other way around. I say lets put them all on an island and make them all fat. Thats a great punishment for a nasty women we all hate being fat LMAO0 -
I agree, the slapping a man thing is stupid. I teach my daughters to defend themselves when appropriate but if they ever hit someone, always be prepared they might hit you back and even harder so think twice if they are going to hit them first.0
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In my opinion, the question before responding with violence should always be "Is it necessary in order for me to defend myself or another person?" rather than "Is it deserved?"
I mean that this should always be the case regardless of gender. Gender has nothing to do with it. If a person feels threatened to the point that they need to defend themselves or others they should have that right regardless of whether the threat is a man or a woman. I'm not necessarily talking about a face slap - which is still wrong.0 -
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I agree, that it shouldn't be okay to ever hit another person, man, woman, etc. either way, unless you're in a boxing ring. I get so frustrated at my boxing gym. I'm the only female at my gym, and NOBODY will ever spar with me! They have no problem knocking each other around the ring, but nobody will get in with me. I'm VOLUNTEERING to be hit, but that "don't hit a woman, ever" stigma sticks with these guys. It pleases me that they are so conscientious of not hitting a woman, but it's different in the ring!0
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I've done this with my own kids. They don't hit or bite any longer. And no I did not haul off and punch them, but a tap back (which was enough to show I wasn't playing) was all it took for them to learn treat others as you want to be treated.
That's why I think the relative strength differences, as a result of sexual dimorphism, are critical to the argument as to whether or not is okay for a man to hit a woman who hits him first. A 10-year-old knows that hitting people is not acceptable. Would you hit a 10-year-old who slapped you? Of course not. Why? Because he's a kid, and you know you could seriously hurt him. I don't really see the difference between that and a bigger, stronger man hitting a woman.
Not even remotely the same thing. A child lacks the ability to foresee consequences or curb emotions as well as adults. If a woman hits a man, she should rightfully expect to be hit back.
Ha, if my boyfriends 7 year old decided to hit me out of anger one day, you bet your a** I'd hit him back. Hard enough for it to hurt and then say "I don't like how it feels either.". They get the point really quick.0 -
There is a little girl in our neighborhood that decided that because she was a girl, she could hit the boys and not have to worry. My son got smacked. Then we all had a little chat (her parents and I). I will raise my boys to never hit first and to never hit girls. However, if you get hit, I don't particularly care who it is, defend yourself.
I have never hit any man- despite being angry enough to want to. I figure if I hit him, I should expect he'll hit back.0 -
Man or woman comes at me, I'll put them on the floor, regardless of how big or small.
I like this quote and totally agree, but think that I'd duck and run the other way if someone came at me! :bigsmile:0 -
I agree, that it shouldn't be okay to ever hit another person, man, woman, etc. either way, unless you're in a boxing ring. I get so frustrated at my boxing gym. I'm the only female at my gym, and NOBODY will ever spar with me! They have no problem knocking each other around the ring, but nobody will get in with me. I'm VOLUNTEERING to be hit, but that "don't hit a woman, ever" stigma sticks with these guys. It pleases me that they are so conscientious of not hitting a woman, but it's different in the ring!
My fiancee gets so mad at me about this! She gets mad that I don't hit her hard enough (her exact words are quite a bit more colorful) because she needs to train so she'll do better against the folks in the dojo who WILL hit hard. She's a second degree black belt, so her getting pissed usually means I end up all kinds of black and blue. It's a ****ty deal for you, sorry.
Do the guys at least throw or do they just play D? If they throw, even lightly, you can at least get practice in if not the conditioning to take a hit.0 -
I agree, that it shouldn't be okay to ever hit another person, man, woman, etc. either way, unless you're in a boxing ring. I get so frustrated at my boxing gym. I'm the only female at my gym, and NOBODY will ever spar with me! They have no problem knocking each other around the ring, but nobody will get in with me. I'm VOLUNTEERING to be hit, but that "don't hit a woman, ever" stigma sticks with these guys. It pleases me that they are so conscientious of not hitting a woman, but it's different in the ring!
My fiancee gets so mad at me about this! She gets mad that I don't hit her hard enough (her exact words are quite a bit more colorful) because she needs to train so she'll do better against the folks in the dojo who WILL hit hard. She's a second degree black belt, so her getting pissed usually means I end up all kinds of black and blue. It's a ****ty deal for you, sorry.
Do the guys at least throw or do they just play D? If they throw, even lightly, you can at least get practice in if not the conditioning to take a hit.
They won't get in the ring with me at all :-(
The only one who will is one of the trainers, but he's only there one day a week!0 -
If a woman can hit then a man can also? I have seen cases of this. One of them involved my daughter. While in high school, a boy was calling her horrible names. So, she slapped him. He, then beat the crap out of her. Yes, she got the worse of the fight. Bloody nose, two black eyes, etc. Neither kid got in trouble for the fight. So, women need to learn that if they are going to get violent with anyone, they may be sorry.
I agree with you. I always say that if Im willing to hit somebody is because I'm willing to get hit back. I dont like women who think they can hit, slap, or push men and men just have to stand there and take it. If you are willing to become violent then dont be shocked or expect pity when the other person becomes violent. Thats how I see it.
I TOTALLY agree with this!
I am a kickboxer, more recently I've taken up training in muaythai. I love it. It is great exercise, and an excellent way to stimulate both mind and body.
I am trained by 2 men, and I train with one other woman. I often sport bruises and such from my sessions. People in my office are mortified that these men are willing and able to hit or kick a woman. I try to explain that I willingly take part, and I ALSO hit and kick them too! I can give as good as I get, and if I do get hit it's because I didn't do something right! (like BLOCK! lol)
That said, if I am so out of control or dumb/rude enough to hit someone, male or female, I totally believe I should expect to be hit back in some way. I am a 6'1, 200 lb female trained in martial arts - for any male of female, I am a threat if I am being violent and any opponent should have the right to defend themself.0 -
Oh, and one last thing... I thing the "little woman vs big guy" thing is funny.... because I know of a LOT of "little woman" who could do some serious damage to a big guy. One was a previous kickboxing partner - she was barely 5 feet tall and could throw a kick that could knock me on my *kitten*, and I know a few others who are cops and know their way around a punch.
Making assumptions can be dangerous!
Moral of the story - don't hit each other unless it's concentual! You never know what you'll get back!0 -
Oh, and one last thing... I thing the "little woman vs big guy" thing is funny.... because I know of a LOT of "little woman" who could do some serious damage to a big guy. One was a previous kickboxing partner - she was barely 5 feet tall and could throw a kick that could knock me on my *kitten*, and I know a few others who are cops and know their way around a punch.
Making assumptions can be dangerous!
Moral of the story - don't hit each other unless it's concentual! You never know what you'll get back!
That is a good point. My fiancee is a karate instructor at my dojo. I'm pretty sure I could still beat her in a fight all things considered, but I've had quite a few more injuries (and yes I trained like crazy to make sure I was the better fighter before asking her out because I'm sexist like that).
Also, and this is an aside, but I HATE you kickboxer/TKD types! Oh look at me, you're two inches away from me? Well I'm still going to kick you in the ****ing head! It really isn't fair cause my legs don't bend that way and I don't like getting kicked in the head, it makes me very sad.0 -
The problem is, people like to see women as harmless but in todays world where they do everything equally, including drink, you get women acting like men.
Thats the problem I guess. These days, women act like men. Some need to learn to act like gentlemen. There is a big difference.
this baffles me.
Just curious if you could clarify what baffles you? The poster you quoted who stated they don't think women should have the right to drinking...or that a lot of women "act like men."
it baffles me because this implies that if a woman gets low-down, drunk or viscious, then she's acting like a man. so it must be acceptable for men to act this way, save the gentlemen? and the drinking comment was kind of weird too. i'm not sure how this is being seen as a good argument for double standards.
I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who read that statement and got offended. I agree, not a good example.
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Haha awesome!0 -
Its bull. My incredibly unstable sister pushes her husband down the stairs, kicks him in the ribs, and tries to punch him, and he calls the cops for domestic abuse. They take her in, but let her out two days later no bail or anything, because her husband is 6'2 and 220, and she's maybe 120 pounds, 5'6. Obviously, she didn't actually hit him, he lied and overreacted. Not that I really want her locked up or anything, but really? How far does it need to go until they believe him when he admits that she is physically violent? If he had so much as threatened to hit her back, he would have been locked up and treated like an animal.
We want equality in all things, to prove that we are matches for men in all abilities, but when it comes to physical violence we are okay with being seen as weak and defenseless, because that means harmless.0 -
Chuck Norris don't get hit by nobody......man or woman!!
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Oh, and one last thing... I thing the "little woman vs big guy" thing is funny.... because I know of a LOT of "little woman" who could do some serious damage to a big guy. One was a previous kickboxing partner - she was barely 5 feet tall and could throw a kick that could knock me on my *kitten*, and I know a few others who are cops and know their way around a punch.
Making assumptions can be dangerous!
Moral of the story - don't hit each other unless it's concentual! You never know what you'll get back!
That is a good point. My fiancee is a karate instructor at my dojo. I'm pretty sure I could still beat her in a fight all things considered, but I've had quite a few more injuries (and yes I trained like crazy to make sure I was the better fighter before asking her out because I'm sexist like that).
Also, and this is an aside, but I HATE you kickboxer/TKD types! Oh look at me, you're two inches away from me? Well I'm still going to kick you in the ****ing head! It really isn't fair cause my legs don't bend that way and I don't like getting kicked in the head, it makes me very sad.
Dude! I wouldn't kick you in the head.... I'd punch you in the throat! lol
i can't kick you if you're that close to me anyway - I'm 6'1 fpr good's sake! I'm bendy, but not that bendy!
PS - truth? I prefer to straightup box - I like striking! But this is a better full body conditioning for me... and a lot of fun to train in!0 -
men are such babies now a days. if a woman slaps a man across the face, they're usually out of line and if they hit that woman back, they're a poor excuse for a man in my opinion
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men are such babies now a days. if a woman slaps a man across the face, they're usually out of line and if they hit that woman back, they're a poor excuse for a man in my opinion
So it's OK to smack someone in the face because simply because you think they are out of line?
Whether you're a man or woman, that's a piss poor excuse.0 -
men are such babies now a days. if a woman slaps a man across the face, they're usually out of line and if they hit that woman back, they're a poor excuse for a man in my opinion
Of course,same way that when a guy has an affair it is because his wife didn`t treat him as a husband right. 0 -
men are such babies now a days. if a woman slaps a man across the face, they're usually out of line and if they hit that woman back, they're a poor excuse for a man in my opinion
So it's OK to smack someone in the face because simply because you think they are out of line?
Whether you're a man or woman, that's a piss poor excuse.
it depends on what 'out of line' means. i have had a couple of occassions when i was groped by unwelcome men. i don't feel that i was out of line when i slapped them in their faces.0
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