should she have her surgery paid for?
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No way! It's not the tax payers' fault (or no one else fault for that matter) she lacks self-control. We are all accountable for our own actions. Wow, that is a lot of nerve to make such demands!0
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No. How is it fair to force other people (tax payers) to pay for your bad choices?0
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As much as I have wasting tax payer money on the stupid and lazy. Situations like this may be warranted. This lady obviously isn't willing to take care of herself and if left to be that large will most likely develop costly and chronic conditions that could cost the tax payer many more thousands if not tens of thousands of dollars.
On the flip side the weight loss surgery will fail as it takes responsibility on the part of the recipient to follow a new diet. This chick will fail and regain the weight.0 -
I know a women who allowed her father take a second mortgage on their house, to pay for her gastric band surgery, as she was so unhappy with her weight.
Within in 4 months, she was a size 12.
It is 2 years later - guess what size she is? 18+! Know what she says? "I prefer myself this way. I look at photos of how skinny I was, and I think I look much better now".
I don't think surgery helps. I believe it is the easy way out. I think weight loss has more to do with your state of mind than anything else.0 -
i agree if you can afford 300 a week, then you can defently afford a healthy lifetstyleNo f*cking way. She's just going to gain weight back. She's spending $300.00/week on fast food for her family. That's just pathetic.0 -
This is a very sensitive topic for me, no she shouldnt be able to get WLS free ! There is a girl that lives in my town and has had WLS 4 times ....4 for F sakes !!! the goverment has paid for all 4 and she is on a waiting list to have a 5th surgery ..........she says "ooh they didnt do it right" as she drinks her daily giant gulp ! I kind of want to smack her ALOT !!! DONT PAY FOR SURGERY !! pay for her to see a personal trainer and nutritionist/ dietican and if she can change her lifestyle and work for it then maybe but otherwise no way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if there was a quick fix no one would be overweight or unhealthy !!!0 -
Omg....screw this lady...that's so effed up...seriously.
People are getting SO freaking dependent on the goverenment..now they want us all to pay for their weight loss...This makes me want to go live in the wilderness away from idiots like her...smh0 -
Hell no!!!0
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NO WAY! :explode:
She didn't want to exercise or diet because it was too hard. It was in effect her own choice to get so big. Why should anyone else have to pay for that?
I guess it's all our own choices to let our weight get out of control. Some of us are able to get control enough to fix it while others have a really tough time. I didn't go to the link to see who, or what the circumstance was, but sometimes if the "state" pays for weight loss surgery, they are actually saving money. All the money they would have to spend providing medical care for someone obese and unhealthy is, potentially, many times more than weight loss surgery. It's cheaper in the long run. And, where do you think the money comes from? It comes from taxpayers. Would you rather pay part of $100,000 (just a number) one time for weight loss surgery or pay part of $500,000, $600,000, etc (just another number), ongoing, for health care for an obese person for the rest of their life? Medicare is starting to pay for some bariatric surgeries now because of this very premise. So, it's not just the one person who is being affected.
But how many people who get these kinds of surgeries are going to be healthy for the long haul afterward? If she doesn't eat healthy or exercise now, it's likely she will fall back into that pattern.
It IS a sticky situation. Most of us will fall back as well; it's the nature of the beast. I'm not saying to give everyone WLS who wants it. I did go look at the article. I also believe a person should have, at least, tried to lose weight before qualifying for surgery. It's been proven, if successful, medical costs are much lower as well as the fact people who haven't been working are again able to work. We pay for drug rehab too, but how often does that work? In the end, we pay for lots of medical costs knowing the outcome may not be a positive one; even heart, cancer, brain, etc surgeries. If taxpayers didn't pay, we would look like barbarians, not giving people a chance at success (or a chance at life).0 -
Um no. If she has a condition causing the weight gain, then her INSURANCE can foot the bill. If (according to the article) "dieting was 'too hard' and exercise 'hurt'" is really the case.... then she can suck it up like the rest of us and start small. It sounds to me like she is medically capable of losing a lot of the weight on her own. Why should taxpayers be involved whatsoever?0
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Not by taxpayers. If she wants it, she should pay for it herself. Of course taxpayers also should not pay for someone to be on disability because they smoked all their life or have health issues from weight. But I digress. :noway:0
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NO WAY! :explode:
She didn't want to exercise or diet because it was too hard. It was in effect her own choice to get so big. Why should anyone else have to pay for that?
I agree with you! If she wouldn't work for it before why would she keep it off once its all gone?!?!0 -
No, it sounds unfair. If she isn't trying to lose weight and can't be bothered to work I don't see why my taxes should go to pay for something that she could have taken control of. If there was some medical reason for her weight gain fine. I don't like it when people act like they are being hard done by because they don't want to control their eating. That being said, I do support people that do need the operation but have to and do work to lose 100lbs in the first place. I just don't like the can't be bothered attitude.
I also don't buy the too fat to work that she is spouting. My accounting teacher was much bigger than her and he just had a special chair! My place of work provided me with a different chair because of my height I'm sure if someone wanted to employ her they would supply her with a chair.0 -
If she wants surgery she should pay for it herself. Otherwise. try eating sensibly and doing a few short walks occasionally.0
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This is a very sensitive topic for me, no she shouldnt be able to get WLS free ! There is a girl that lives in my town and has had WLS 4 times ....4 for F sakes !!! the goverment has paid for all 4 and she is on a waiting list to have a 5th surgery ..........she says "ooh they didnt do it right" as she drinks her daily giant gulp ! I kind of want to smack her ALOT !!! DONT PAY FOR SURGERY !! pay for her to see a personal trainer and nutritionist/ dietican and if she can change her lifestyle and work for it then maybe but otherwise no way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if there was a quick fix no one would be overweight or unhealthy !!!
I'm concerned the government's letting her have it that many times. It's a high-risk surgery and it would seem to me the more they do it, the higher her risk for a complication or even death is.
And you're right on that last statement. It's why I didn't pursue the surgery route very long because I realized it still would take time and a big change and honestly I'd rather do all of that without a huge medical bill or a giant scar on my body.0 -
I know 2 ppl who had MEDI-CAL pay for thier gastric bypass.
It made me so mad bcuz they was so lazy that they had to have the state pay for thier surgery because they was too lazy to just get off thier *kitten* and work out.
The worst part is the 2nd girl only did it because her best friend did.
One of them still talks about eating out all the time.
Smh....
I dont think any kind of surgery regarding your weight should be paid for unless your health because of it is absolutly deadly.0 -
Heck no. She is not the way she is because of anything the taxpayers caused, she is the way she is because of her inaction on eating healthy and exercising properly.
Everybody on this site is doing their due diligence in exercising and eating healthy, there's no reason why this person should be any different and she deserves absolutely no special treatment.0 -
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Paying for her to have surgery seems like setting a very expensive precedent.
^^ For sure. If that got into law books, it would be much easier for the next person to demand the surgery too.
shes from the uk the predent has already been set
guidelines here state a bmi over 40 should be considered for free bariartric surgery on the NHS
most trusts have additional requirements such as bmi over 55 or co morbititys such as diabites, heart disease, sleep aponea etc, im sure at her weight shes likely to meet the requirements once her case goes before the trusts panel0 -
HELL NO!! What is wrong with people that they can't take ANY responsibility for themselves anymore?? YOU made yourself "fat." McDonald's did not do it. YOU made your choices. There are so many AMAZING people on MFP who have lost 100+ lbs. If they can do it, she can do it.0
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No way should she have the surgery paid for by the government. Her insurance and her insurance premiums should pick up the tab for WLS. However if there is an underlying medical condition (it doesn't appear she has one) which creates an inability to exercise and adhere to a "normal" nutritional diet, then and only then should he need the financial help from the government for WLS.
If the government wants to pay for WLS, it should first think about having free Weight Watchers, Nutri-System, and Jenny Craig first.0 -
Correct me if I'm completely wrong here because I very well could be, but I thought that all healthcare was paid for by taxes and such in the U.K? I know it's not here in America but I was under the impression that it was in a lot of other places? If that's the case, I don't think this is so ridiculous.
Honestly, I think the article was rude. It was clearly written to get a certain response out of people and to make her look as bad as possible.
I don't have an opinion on weight loss surgeries. I'm not in that situation so I don't know what it's like and I'm not a fan of forcing my own feelings or opinions into other peoples' lives. Weight loss surgery is a major decision, if it's worth the risks and pain for her, then it's not my place to say something about it.0 -
No, if she can't stick to a diet and exercise regimine before surgery than I find it doubtful in many ways that she will after. I would, however, agree to sending her to see a physical therapist or a personal trainer and a nutritionist. Maybe if she showed any inclination before hand that she honestly has a desire to shed the pounds I'd have a different perspective.
If it were her money it would be her decision, and she'd be more invested in the outcome. If she has no expenditure she has no investment in success.
EXACTLY.
I'm also pissed that her family is actually supporting this ridiculous request. Why aren't they telling her not to do surgery? Isn't she more likely to die on the operation table because of her weight as well?0 -
Anyone who thinks that getting WLS is going to be an easy fix should watch TLC's "My 600 lb Life" series. They followed 4 people for 7 years and it was a really interesting show. It was a brave, brave thing for them to allow the show to film them through this journey.
What I saw: it was not an easy fix, it was painful (especially the skin removal surgeries), and these people continue to struggle with their food choices every day. Several of them had family members who were just downright horrible: enablers, nasty name calling/teasing, and some who continued to eat tons of junkfood in front of these people and offer it to the people who had the WLS. Ugh.0 -
Clearly she needs help. She can spend 300 a week on fast food but not on her health? She can log on here to log calories and get support. There are men and women who are her same size who work for their weight loss. If she gets the surgery she wont be able to keep the weight loss off. No one wins. This is something she needs to do for herself with the help of a doctor. Not surgery0
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i dont think she should ask tax payers to give her the money to have this surgery!! what about all the other obese people in the uk?? whos gonna pay for them???
only by making some small changes she will b able to lose weight on her own!! enough for her to at least get herself a job so that she can afford a surgery herself!!
she isnt technically asking us all to donate a quid to her surgery, shes asking the NHS to do the surgery and the NHS is funded by our taxes
the NHS has been doing more and more bariatric surgerys as the years have gone by, not good when cancer survivors have had to fight or even move to another area to get essential medications0 -
I'm reading through the responses now and I'm surprised at the number of people that just take the article at face-value. It's SO CLEARLY written to get nothing but a negative response from readers. They depicted her and her situation in the worst light possible and the sarcastic final sentence just seals the deal and creates a final opinion for you.I would just like to say that I am glad no one has jumped to her defense. Thank you.
That being said, let me ask a followup to this: Is there any case where you feel that this type of surgery is justified?0 -
If you stare long enough, you can see her husband!
Ok, srsly tho...
The problem here is the way the NHS has decided to deal with those who have an unhealthy BMI.
Free education and motivational support should be first level benefits.
Perhaps a tiered approach might be more beneficial.
(And won't piss off so many hard-working taxpayers)
I.e. If a person with an unhealthy BMI completes X hours of health education and physical training, has shown improvement, exemplifies a change in their lifestyle, etc - then perhaps an option for surgery will be considered.
In jumping straight to surgery, the UK's NHS is sending the wrong message.0 -
Who knows what their motives are, it can't be fun having to put up with someone with her sort of attitude to "life", maybe they're hoping it will go wrong.I'm also pissed that her family is actually supporting this ridiculous request. Why aren't they telling her not to do surgery? Isn't she more likely to die on the operation table because of her weight as well?
Kill or cure, literally.0 -
NO WAY! :explode:
She didn't want to exercise or diet because it was too hard. It was in effect her own choice to get so big. Why should anyone else have to pay for that?
I guess it's all our own choices to let our weight get out of control. Some of us are able to get control enough to fix it while others have a really tough time. I didn't go to the link to see who, or what the circumstance was, but sometimes if the "state" pays for weight loss surgery, they are actually saving money. All the money they would have to spend providing medical care for someone obese and unhealthy is, potentially, many times more than weight loss surgery. It's cheaper in the long run. And, where do you think the money comes from? It comes from taxpayers. Would you rather pay part of $100,000 (just a number) one time for weight loss surgery or pay part of $500,000, $600,000, etc (just another number), ongoing, for health care for an obese person for the rest of their life? Medicare is starting to pay for some bariatric surgeries now because of this very premise. So, it's not just the one person who is being affected.
But how many people who get these kinds of surgeries are going to be healthy for the long haul afterward? If she doesn't eat healthy or exercise now, it's likely she will fall back into that pattern.
It IS a sticky situation. Most of us will fall back as well; it's the nature of the beast. I'm not saying to give everyone WLS who wants it. I did go look at the article. I also believe a person should have, at least, tried to lose weight before qualifying for surgery. It's been proven, if successful, medical costs are much lower as well as the fact people who haven't been working are again able to work. We pay for drug rehab too, but how often does that work? In the end, we pay for lots of medical costs knowing the outcome may not be a positive one; even heart, cancer, brain, etc surgeries. If taxpayers didn't pay, we would look like barbarians, not giving people a chance at success (or a chance at life).
I like the example of potential health care costs obese patients. That is the logic they use here in Canada in giving people WLS, that it will save the system alot of money in the long run.
I also, like the analogy of comparing drug rehab to weight loss surgery, it doesn't always work but when it does it makes a huge difference in the lives of the patients and their families.
In Canada, each province handles health care a bit differently, so I can only speak of what I have heard about receiving WLS in British Columbia. There is a wait list, a long wait list, someone told me a few years back that they waited over two years for the surgery once they were eligible. There is an eligibility criteria, basically the patient has to go through psychological screening, have been morbidly obese for a certain period of time, and loss a percentage of body weight prior to the surgery with the assistance of a dietitian.0
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